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Gaggia Cubika Coffee Machine
for your money.
"Tex" > wrote in message
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> Howdy Charles!
> It depends on your expectations & restrictions;
> * what's your budget
> * do you want consistent "God Shots" or do you primarily have milked
> drinks
> * do you prefer the S/S industrial look that's currently in vogue
> * are you willing/capable of buying a machine & upgrading it yourself
>
> There is no *perfect* machine. They're all about compromises; size for
> features, convenience for shot quality, price for machine quality, etc.
> For my money it's impossible to find another brand of machine in Gaggia's
> price range that produces the same quality coffee.
> --
> Robert Harmon
> --
> http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.
> http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.
> http://www.tinyurl.com/2j8jur - Gaggia User's Group
> http://www.tinyurl.com/235dfr - BUG is Bunn User's Group (espresso)
>
> "Charles Turner" > wrote in message
> ...
>> No, you did miss the point.
>>
>> As I said I have used the same coffee in different machines producing a
>> good crema (I don't now have these machines), I have NEVER used a "crema
>> enhancer disk" so I assume there is a problem with the Cubika machine,
>> just not sure how, or whether it can be resolved.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>>
>> Charles
>>
>> PS Might buy a different machine for Christmas! Any recomendations?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Moka Java" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>I missed the point? Where did you mention that you used the same coffee
>>>in other machines? You won't get much crema from stale coffee. If the
>>>other machines had crema enhancer disks in the portafilter the aerated
>>>bubbles you see are not real crema, just aerated bubbles. Crema is
>>>created by the emulsification of oils and other compounds in the coffee.
>>>This is done with fresh coffee, freshly ground under the heat and
>>>pressure in a properly adjusted espresso machine. You don't get that
>>>from a crema enhancer that just sprays the coffee through a small hole,
>>>aerating it and creating bubbles.
>>>
>>> R "surely I'm still missing the point." TF
>>>
>>> Charles Turner wrote:
>>>> Thanks, but I think you've missed the point; the SAME coffee produces a
>>>> good crema in other machines, but not in the Cubika I've got.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Charles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Moka Java" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> You obviously don't understand the concept of fresh coffee. The mass
>>>>> coffee sellers would have you believe that coffee is "fresh" for a
>>>>> year or more. Coffee is much like baked goods, freshly baked is the
>>>>> best, they flavor and aroma goes and eventually the product is rancid
>>>>> and no longer fresh for health department purposes. Freshly roasted
>>>>> coffee give off gas (CO2) and volatile oils and aromatics. It is the
>>>>> volatile oils that emulsify with water and other compounds in the
>>>>> coffee to make crema. Once the coffee has lost these volatile oils it
>>>>> is stale for for brewing purposes. Depending on a number of factors
>>>>> including the type of beans, the degree of roast and storage
>>>>> conditions coffee is "fresh" for 1 to 3 weeks. I'm using the term
>>>>> "fresh" for espresso purposes. It will make crema and a decent
>>>>> tasting shot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Canned coffee is usually staled before putting in the can or the can
>>>>> would explode from the de-gassing coffee. Once the coffee is ground
>>>>> the volatile oils dissipate rapidly -- 10 minutes can make a
>>>>> noticeable difference in your espresso shot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your best bet is to find a local roaster and buy beans that were
>>>>> roasted on the day of purchase.
>>>>>
>>>>> R "do you know when your beans were roasted" TF
>>>>>
>>>>> Charles Turner wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not the coffee. I freshly grind it and I've tried lots of
>>>>>> different types.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I try the pre-ground espresso it is too fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've even tried Gaggia's own ground coffee and still hardly any
>>>>>> crema!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charles
>>>>>>
>>
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