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I'm still getting over the trauma of the local metro fad of stores
selling us plastic shopping bags to use in place of their giving us free plastic shopping bags. Protect the enviro; use the industrial strength plastic that takes ten times the time to biodegrade in landfills, after they fall apart in three uses. Harrumph!! (tm) My longer obsessive rant is about how, at least major cities, the tap water is perfectly fine and this sold water in plastic bottles note, more plastic in the landfills) is just an ostentatious fad. So, a perfectly good weather Satidday, instead I'm sitting in a hotel ballroom at a fund raiser bruncheon for one more non-profit agency. At each place setting is a sealed plastic bottle of....water! What, this Chicago hotel doesn't have sinks and faucets? Is this a picnic? Next to each water bottle is a glass glass (that's a glass made out of glass), containing ice cubes. I couldn't find anyone to ask from where the ice came. During the usual boring speeches, for lack of a cereal box to read, I read the label on the water bottle. "Ingredients" Ingredients? It's just water, isn't it? I know, must be a federal label requirement. "Triple filtered for purity, Minerals added for taste." Read that again. They filtered out the minerals, then added others back in in case you miss the taste. This was done in Ohio. Oh, that 'splains it. And how much did this charity pay for this special water? |
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On Oct 11, 7:44 pm, Gloria P > wrote:
> wrote: > > > So, a perfectly good weather Satidday, instead I'm sitting in a hotel > > ballroom at a fund raiser bruncheon for one more non-profit agency. > > At each place setting is a sealed plastic bottle of....water! > > And how much did this charity pay for this special water? > > If the charity folk are smart, no cost--they got it donated. > > gloria p No. The use of the hotel meeting rooms came "free" with the payment of X dollars per person for the bruncheon. I'm one of the charity folk. If I hadknown about the water bottles, I would have nixed them. Even if no reduction in price, it sends a bad message to the audience-- wsteful spending. |
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On Oct 11, 6:13 pm, Wayne Boatwright >
wrote: > On Sat 11 Oct 2008 03:50:46p, told us... > > > I'm still getting over the trauma of the local metro fad of stores > > selling us plastic shopping bags to use in place of their giving us > > free plastic shopping bags. Protect the enviro; use the industrial > > strength plastic that takes ten times the time to biodegrade in > > landfills, after they fall apart in three uses. Harrumph!! (tm) > > I bought six of these new bags (3 insulated and 3 non insulated) nearly two > years ago and have yet to need to throw one away. I use them every time I > shop. > > I'd say you don't know what you're talking about. > > > My longer obsessive rant is about how, at least major cities, the tap > > water is perfectly fine and this sold water in plastic bottles note, > > more plastic in the landfills) is just an ostentatious fad. > > The taste (and sometimes the smell) of water coming from some of the water > treatment plants in unpalatable. That's not to say that it's unsanitary. > However, I do use a water filtration system in the kitchen which eliminates > the offensive taste and smell, and the need to buy bottled water. > > > > > So, a perfectly good weather Satidday, instead I'm sitting in a hotel > > ballroom at a fund raiser bruncheon for one more non-profit agency. > > At each place setting is a sealed plastic bottle of....water! What, > > this Chicago hotel doesn't have sinks and faucets? Is this a picnic? > > Next to each water bottle is a glass glass (that's a glass made out of > > glass), containing ice cubes. I couldn't find anyone to ask from > > where the ice came. > > > During the usual boring speeches, for lack of a cereal box to read, I > > read the label on the water > > bottle. "Ingredients" Ingredients? It's just water, isn't > > it? I know, must be a federal label requirement. > > > "Triple filtered for purity, > > > Minerals added for taste." > > > Read that again. They filtered out the minerals, then added others > > back in in case you miss the taste. This was done in Ohio. Oh, that > > 'splains it. > > > And how much did this charity pay for this special water? > > Who knows? > > -- > Wayne Boatwright > (correct the spelling of "geemail" to reply) > > ******************************************* > Date: Saturday, 10(X)/11(XI)/08(MMVIII) > ******************************************* > Countdown till Veteran's Day > 4wks 2dys 7hrs 52mins > ******************************************* > I feel like e.e. cummings at a > punctuation festival. Of course, Wayne, your experience trumps everybody's. I don't know what I'm talking about? You haven't seen the bags sold around here, which I have used and tossed. But you know better, of course, because you always say so. Your tap water tastes bad? Good for you. Enjoy it. |
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Beyond all that, I think my main point was lost -- The ridiculousness
of the ingredients on the label. 1) "triple-filtered for purity" (i.e. minerals removed) 2) "minerals added for flavor" Conclusion: "We get away charging the public money for this, because they will pay anything to be seen carrying the latest fad product. Wait, I know how to raise money! I'll open a chain of coffee shops and charge 4.95 for 15 cents worth of burnt coffee! Yeah, that's the ticket! What's that? You say it's already been done? Oh damn. Back to the drawing board. |
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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 11 Oct 2008 03:50:46p, told us... > >> My longer obsessive rant is about how, at least major cities, the >> tap water is perfectly fine Not necessarily. Just 12 years ago there was a major outbreak of cryptosporidiosis in Milwaukee. There were a few hunred thousand affected and 104 people with compromised immune systems died. If the water in Washington, DC, was "perfectly fine" you wouldn't be able to smell the chlorine as it comes out of the tap. That's not to say that many metro areas do have "perfectly fine" water, but that the exceptions show that there is a definite segment of the population who don't have a choice except to use bottled water. >> So, a perfectly good weather Satidday, instead I'm sitting in a >> hotel ballroom at a fund raiser bruncheon for one more non-profit >> agency. At each place setting is a sealed plastic bottle >> of....water! What, this Chicago hotel doesn't have sinks and >> faucets? Is this a picnic? I'll agree that that in today's casual society, the niceties of formal dining have suffered casualties. (yes, that was intended). B/ |
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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
5.247... > On Sat 11 Oct 2008 03:50:46p, told us... > >> I'm still getting over the trauma of the local metro fad of stores >> selling us plastic shopping bags to use in place of their giving us >> free plastic shopping bags. Protect the enviro; use the industrial >> strength plastic that takes ten times the time to biodegrade in >> landfills, after they fall apart in three uses. Harrumph!! (tm) > > I bought six of these new bags (3 insulated and 3 non insulated) nearly > two > years ago and have yet to need to throw one away. I use them every time I > shop. > > I'd say you don't know what you're talking about. Maybe her bags are different from the ones you and I get. I bought 4 bags from Jewel Food Stores some time ago. One ripped a small bit near the handle but is still serviceable -- I use it. The other three are fine. They are made of some woven material, the same as the freebie bags I got from the local farmers market earlier this year. > >> My longer obsessive rant is about how, at least major cities, the tap >> water is perfectly fine and this sold water in plastic bottles note, >> more plastic in the landfills) is just an ostentatious fad. > > The taste (and sometimes the smell) of water coming from some of the water > treatment plants in unpalatable. That's not to say that it's unsanitary. > However, I do use a water filtration system in the kitchen which > eliminates > the offensive taste and smell, and the need to buy bottled water. She said the hotel is in Chicago. I drink water from Lake Michigan in my suburb and it's fine, but my next door neighbor doesn't like it. Tastes differ. > >> So, a perfectly good weather Satidday, instead I'm sitting in a hotel >> ballroom at a fund raiser bruncheon for one more non-profit agency. >> At each place setting is a sealed plastic bottle of....water! What, >> this Chicago hotel doesn't have sinks and faucets? Is this a picnic? >> Next to each water bottle is a glass glass (that's a glass made out of >> glass), containing ice cubes. I couldn't find anyone to ask from >> where the ice came. >> >> During the usual boring speeches, for lack of a cereal box to read, I >> read the label on the water >> bottle. "Ingredients" Ingredients? It's just water, isn't >> it? I know, must be a federal label requirement. >> >> "Triple filtered for purity, >> >> Minerals added for taste." >> >> Read that again. They filtered out the minerals, then added others >> back in in case you miss the taste. This was done in Ohio. Oh, that >> 'splains it. I suspect that in addition to the minerals they filter out some other stuff. Anny |
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On Sun 12 Oct 2008 06:18:31p, Anny Middon told us...
> Maybe her bags are different from the ones you and I get. > > I bought 4 bags from Jewel Food Stores some time ago. One ripped a > small bit near the handle but is still serviceable -- I use it. The > other three are fine. They are made of some woven material, the same as > the freebie bags I got from the local farmers market earlier this year. Yours and mine sound like the same type. > She said the hotel is in Chicago. I drink water from Lake Michigan in > my suburb and it's fine, but my next door neighbor doesn't like it. > Tastes differ. Yes, tastes do differ. The water in the Phoenix area comes from several sources, is extremely hard and filled with minerals. There is usually a chemical taste to the water, beyond just chlorine. It's not pleasant to drink, although not noticeable in cooking. > I suspect that in addition to the minerals they filter out some other > stuff. Probably. -- Wayne Boatwright (correct the spelling of "geemail" to reply) ******************************************* Date: Sunday, 10(X)/12(XII)/08(MMVIII) ******************************************* Countdown till Veteran's Day 4wks 1dys 4hrs 6mins ******************************************* From the tracks, I'd say it was probably a porpoise. |
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>, " > wrote: > I'm still getting over the trauma of the local metro fad of stores > selling us plastic shopping bags to use in place of their giving us > free plastic shopping bags. Protect the enviro; use the industrial > strength plastic that takes ten times the time to biodegrade in > landfills, after they fall apart in three uses. Harrumph!! (tm) I know what you mean. I use cloth bags, most of which I made. One local grocery chain is selling those kinds of bags that you noted. The bags are very stiff and seem to crack easily because I see holes in them. The baggers at this chain often complain about my cloth bags even though one of them was sold by their store a few years ago. They seem to like either the more rigid bags that stand up all by themselves (heavy plastic or paper) or the thin plastic ones they can hang on a rack as they fill them. I have bagged when no bagger was present and had no problem hanging any of my bags on their racks. But when I shop at Whole Food, they never complain. They balance the weight in the bags without me asking and I even get a 10 cent credit for each bag. There are some other markets, locally, where you are greeted pleasantly for using your own reusable bags. The attitude of store employees may reflect the attitude of the employer. > My longer obsessive rant is about how, at least major cities, the tap > water is perfectly fine and this sold water in plastic bottles note, > more plastic in the landfills) is just an ostentatious fad. Some cities have already banned plastic bottles on city property because of the landfill problems. This will likely become ubiquitous since the cost of waste disposal is increasing so fast. While I avoid plastic bottles whenever I can these days, we do filter our water to get rid of the chlorine taste which I just loathe. Isabella -- "I will show you fear in a handful of dust" -T.S. Eliot |
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On Oct 11, 6:50*pm, " > wrote:
> I'm still getting over the trauma of the local metro fad of stores > selling us plastic shopping bags to use in place of their giving us > free plastic shopping bags. *Protect the enviro; use the industrial > strength plastic that takes ten times the time to biodegrade in > landfills, *after they fall apart in three uses. * * Harrumph!! *(tm) Most people probably have cloth totebags or backpacks they could use for this, wouldn't need to buy a new bag devoted to groceries, but I've fallen for it too and bought some re-usable bags. > My longer obsessive rant is about how, at least major cities, the tap > water is perfectly fine and this sold water in plastic bottles note, > more plastic in the landfills) *is just an ostentatious fad. I look at bottled versus tap water as a similar problem to gated communities. Some people give up on getting adequate policing in their communities or a good standard of living in their communities and they retreat to gated communities, as if that will protect them in the long run. Devoting some time and energy to reducing crime would be a lot better in the long run. I think some people have given up on their local water treatment doing a good job, so they rely on bottled water thinking its filtered better. It would be a lot better for their own health and their community to demand good tap water than to try buying bottled water. |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:57:12 -0700 (PDT), Deidzoeb
> wrote: >On Oct 11, 6:50*pm, " > wrote: >> I'm still getting over the trauma of the local metro fad of stores >> selling us plastic shopping bags to use in place of their giving us >> free plastic shopping bags. *Protect the enviro; use the industrial >> strength plastic that takes ten times the time to biodegrade in >> landfills, *after they fall apart in three uses. * * Harrumph!! *(tm) > >Most people probably have cloth totebags or backpacks they could use >for this, wouldn't need to buy a new bag devoted to groceries, but >I've fallen for it too and bought some re-usable bags. > > >> My longer obsessive rant is about how, at least major cities, the tap >> water is perfectly fine and this sold water in plastic bottles note, >> more plastic in the landfills) *is just an ostentatious fad. > >I look at bottled versus tap water as a similar problem to gated >communities. Some people give up on getting adequate policing in their >communities or a good standard of living in their communities and they >retreat to gated communities, as if that will protect them in the long >run. Devoting some time and energy to reducing crime would be a lot >better in the long run. > >I think some people have given up on their local water treatment doing >a good job, so they rely on bottled water thinking its filtered >better. It would be a lot better for their own health and their >community to demand good tap water than to try buying bottled water. Not everyone has "city water." Those of us who live in rural areas have wells out of necessity. Some well water tastes just fine and some tastes horrible. And even though some of the water tastes bad it is perfectly safe. |
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>, Deidzoeb > wrote: > > My longer obsessive rant is about how, at least major cities, the tap > > water is perfectly fine and this sold water in plastic bottles note, > > more plastic in the landfills) *is just an ostentatious fad. > > I look at bottled versus tap water as a similar problem to gated > communities. Some people give up on getting adequate policing in their > communities or a good standard of living in their communities and they > retreat to gated communities, as if that will protect them in the long > run. Devoting some time and energy to reducing crime would be a lot > better in the long run. > > I think some people have given up on their local water treatment doing > a good job, so they rely on bottled water thinking its filtered > better. It would be a lot better for their own health and their > community to demand good tap water than to try buying bottled water. I agree that citizen activism is in very short supply these days despite that people have (justifiably) come to mistrust their utilities and the rusting US infrastructure. What with so many families needing (or wanting I guess) the support of multiple incomes, there's probably little time left for community involvement and advocacy. That, of course, is very convenient for those who make pigs of themselves at the public trough with little or no investment in the public infrastructure. OB-Preserving: I've been freezing a windfall of late-season wax beans here. 10# yesterday and today. My freezer is groaning already but I'm so delighted. A pair of caterwauling Barred owls kept me up the better part of last night; I hope they at least kept the deer away from the garden.  Isabella -- "I will show you fear in a handful of dust" -T.S. Eliot |
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"The Cook" > wrote in message
... > On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:57:12 -0700 (PDT), Deidzoeb > > wrote: > >>On Oct 11, 6:50 pm, " > wrote: >>> I'm still getting over the trauma of the local metro fad of stores >>> selling us plastic shopping bags to use in place of their giving us >>> free plastic shopping bags. Protect the enviro; use the industrial >>> strength plastic that takes ten times the time to biodegrade in >>> landfills, after they fall apart in three uses. Harrumph!! (tm) >> >>Most people probably have cloth totebags or backpacks they could use >>for this, wouldn't need to buy a new bag devoted to groceries, but >>I've fallen for it too and bought some re-usable bags. >> >> >>> My longer obsessive rant is about how, at least major cities, the tap >>> water is perfectly fine and this sold water in plastic bottles note, >>> more plastic in the landfills) is just an ostentatious fad. >> >>I look at bottled versus tap water as a similar problem to gated >>communities. Some people give up on getting adequate policing in their >>communities or a good standard of living in their communities and they >>retreat to gated communities, as if that will protect them in the long >>run. Devoting some time and energy to reducing crime would be a lot >>better in the long run. >> >>I think some people have given up on their local water treatment doing >>a good job, so they rely on bottled water thinking its filtered >>better. It would be a lot better for their own health and their >>community to demand good tap water than to try buying bottled water. > > > Not everyone has "city water." Those of us who live in rural areas > have wells out of necessity. Some well water tastes just fine and > some tastes horrible. And even though some of the water tastes bad it > is perfectly safe. I live in an area where my water comes from municipal wells. Most of the time it tastes just fine. It does tend to make hard water stains on plumbing fixtures as the water company says it has a lot of magnesium in it. I know when I can, I try to remember to add white vinegar to the water so the jars don't get that white film on them. That being said, I think it's a little ridiculous around here when people have those large bottles of water delivered to their homes on a weekly basis in my neighborhood. You see, the water in the wells comes from the exact same water source that the bottled water does because the bottled water company is maybe five miles from my house. ALL the water comes from the huge aquifer that is underground in this area. That company's water comes from wells drawing from this aquifer. It's the same water, people. |
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