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http://www.truthdig.com/interview/pa...lan_interview/
Quote, Does the same thing go for free-range chickens and eggs? It's very interesting. Free-range chickens-I did go visit a large organic chicken producer here in California, and if you look at their label, there's a farmstead with a little silo and a farm house and a farmyard and chickens running around, but if you go to the farm, the chickens are grown in these huge barracks as long as a football field. They're indoors, there are 20,000 of them in a house, and running along this barrack is what looks like a little front lawn-mowed, maybe 15 or 20 feet deep. "Whole Foods is very cleverly designed, but it's based on illusions. If you go to the farm depicted on those labels, you find that in fact, things look a little bit different." --Michael Pollan There's a little door at either side of the barrack where, theoretically, chickens could step outside and take the air. But they don't. One reason is that the doors are closed until the chickens are about five weeks old. The farmers-if you can use that word, the managers-are concerned that the chickens might catch their death of cold or pick up a germ, so they don't open the doors until the chickens are five weeks old. They smother them at seven weeks; so it's not exactly a lifestyle. It's more like a two-week vacation option. And the chickens don't avail themselves of this option because they've never been outside before. They're terrified of going outside. First of all, it's not big enough for the whole flock. Second of all, the food and water is inside; they're not used to it; they weren't brought up this way. They're like the cat in the Manhattan apartment; when you open the door they just stand there in terror wondering about the other dimension of reality outside that door. Free range is a conceit. It's to make us feel better about these chickens. It's not doing anything for the chickens, as far as I can tell. Yes, that organic chicken is still a better product, I think. It's getting better feed, it's got a few more inches of legroom than a conventional chicken, but it's not all it's cracked up to be. End quote. The remark about "Whole Foods" was in a box to the side. I couldn't tell whether he was speaking of Whole Foods, the business, or Whole Foods in general. Dee Dee |
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"Dee Randall" > wrote > "Whole Foods is very cleverly designed, but it's based on illusions. If > you go to the farm depicted on those labels, you find that in fact, things > look a little bit different." I would guess so! Seems a funny thing to say, to me. I suppose there are naive people out there who think the stores buy eggs from Auntie Em or something. Can't imagine why the writer thought people selling thousands and thousands of chickens have a big giant happy farm where chickens scratch for bugs. I don't know, the whole article struck me as strange. nancy |
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They do taste a little different if they really are "free range", but to me,
that's defined as a chicken that's been wandering around the yard from the time it felt like doing so, until it was slaughtered. Sadly, I can't do that in this neighborhood, although I haven't asked the zoning guy how much pocket lining he'd need to look the other way. |
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Dee Randall wrote:
> http://www.truthdig.com/interview/pa...lan_interview/ > > > The remark about "Whole Foods" was in a box to the side. I couldn't tell > whether he was speaking of Whole Foods, the business, or Whole Foods in > general. > > Dee Dee > > He's talking about the business. He's just come out with a book so his interviews are everywhere. I swear I heard this thing about the chickens about 14 times in the past few weeks between NPR, MPR and the internet. When are we just going to accept that cruelty is the added zing that makes everything, from slave harvested cane sugar to milk fed veal, taste delicious! (I'm kidding, it's a joke, tongue firmly planted in cheek, sarcasm!) -- ..:Heather:. www.velvet-c.com Step off, beyotches, I'm the roflpimp! |
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"The Bubbo" > wrote in message
... > When are we just going to accept that cruelty is the added zing that makes > everything, from slave harvested cane sugar to milk fed veal, taste > delicious! As we speak, I have a rabbit in my basement, with wires attached to its little genitals. I will find out who's eating my lettuce, or there will be hell to pay. Ve haf vays of making zem talk. |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
> They do taste a little different if they really are "free range", but > to me, that's defined as a chicken that's been wandering around the > yard from the time it felt like doing so, until it was slaughtered. > Sadly, I can't do that in this neighborhood, although I haven't asked > the zoning guy how much pocket lining he'd need to look the other > way. Until recently (say, the last 5 years), there was a house down the street I'd drive past on my way to work. There were chickens running all around in the front yard and a really spectacular rooster with a tail the shades of a rainbow! They also had dairy cows; you could hear them lowing in the morning and the rooster crowing when the sun came up. Ur-ur-ur-ur-urrrrh! Those were truly free-range chickens. Bet those folks got some nice fresh eggs in the morning! Sadly, they sold out to developers. Now there are rows of little starter-homes (only $120,000!!) that all look alike, with no yards to speak of, and a middle school. This used to be the 'country'; now it's turning into just another suburb. Jill |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
> "The Bubbo" > wrote in message > ... > >> When are we just going to accept that cruelty is the added zing that makes >> everything, from slave harvested cane sugar to milk fed veal, taste >> delicious! > > As we speak, I have a rabbit in my basement, with wires attached to its > little genitals. I will find out who's eating my lettuce, or there will be > hell to pay. Ve haf vays of making zem talk. > > Weird! I have the same set up, but I'm just doing it for own amusement -- ..:Heather:. www.velvet-c.com Step off, beyotches, I'm the roflpimp! |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
> > They do taste a little different if they really are "free range", But do they taste better or worse? Veal is raised in cramped quarters, and it is prized for that. The chicken industry should promote the conventional method of chicken farming as the "veal process". Then, we could all feel better about it. (Except for those NPR-liberals who don't even eat meat, so their opinions on what other people eat shouldn't count.) |
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:11:53 -0400, "Dee Randall"
> wrote: >The remark about "Whole Foods" was in a box to the side. I couldn't tell >whether he was speaking of Whole Foods, the business, or Whole Foods in >general. I believe he was speaking of the company. Pollan is an interesting guy. His "Botany of Desire" is a really good read, and his articleon feedlots in the NY Times magazine a while back was fascinating. D just ordered his latest book for me. Thanks for posting the link. -- modom |
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"modom" > wrote in message ... > On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:11:53 -0400, "Dee Randall" > > wrote: >>The remark about "Whole Foods" was in a box to the side. I couldn't tell >>whether he was speaking of Whole Foods, the business, or Whole Foods in >>general. > > I believe he was speaking of the company. Pollan is an interesting > guy. His "Botany of Desire" is a really good read, and his articleon > feedlots in the NY Times magazine a while back was fascinating. D > just ordered his latest book for me. > > Thanks for posting the link. > -- > modom Thanks for the added information. DH passed it over to me; he will like to know this, and I, too, will be interested to see what he is talking about. It's my first time hearing of him. Dee Dee |
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:11:37 -0400, "Dee Randall"
> wrote: >"modom" > wrote in message .. . >> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:11:53 -0400, "Dee Randall" >> > wrote: >>>The remark about "Whole Foods" was in a box to the side. I couldn't tell >>>whether he was speaking of Whole Foods, the business, or Whole Foods in >>>general. >> >> I believe he was speaking of the company. Pollan is an interesting >> guy. His "Botany of Desire" is a really good read, and his articleon >> feedlots in the NY Times magazine a while back was fascinating. D >> just ordered his latest book for me. >> >Thanks for the added information. DH passed it over to me; he will like to >know this, and I, too, will be interested to see what he is talking about. >It's my first time hearing of him. >Dee Dee > Did you check the Eat Well Guide he mentions in the interview? http://www.eatwellguide.org/ I just used it to find a place within striking distance of my house that sells hanger steaks (onglet) from grass-fed cattle. It might be an interesting weekend drive some day soon. -- modom |
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"modom" > wrote in message ... > On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 17:11:37 -0400, "Dee Randall" > > wrote: > >>"modom" > wrote in message . .. >>> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 09:11:53 -0400, "Dee Randall" >>> > wrote: >>>>The remark about "Whole Foods" was in a box to the side. I couldn't tell >>>>whether he was speaking of Whole Foods, the business, or Whole Foods in >>>>general. >>> >>> I believe he was speaking of the company. Pollan is an interesting >>> guy. His "Botany of Desire" is a really good read, and his articleon >>> feedlots in the NY Times magazine a while back was fascinating. D >>> just ordered his latest book for me. >>> >>Thanks for the added information. DH passed it over to me; he will like >>to >>know this, and I, too, will be interested to see what he is talking about. >>It's my first time hearing of him. >>Dee Dee >> > Did you check the Eat Well Guide he mentions in the interview? > http://www.eatwellguide.org/ I just used it to find a place within > striking distance of my house that sells hanger steaks (onglet) from > grass-fed cattle. It might be an interesting weekend drive some day > soon. > -- > modom If not for you, I wouldn't have found that and checked it out. I found an egg place and a meat place all within 30 miles on my way to the nearest town where I do my weekly-10 day shopping. It looks like they are nicely out in the country. I have printed out Streets & Trips directions for a couple of nice little side trips. You shall be rewarded! As a matter of fact, so will I -- thanks again. Dee Dee |
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"Dee Randall" > wrote > "modom" > wrote >> Did you check the Eat Well Guide he mentions in the interview? >> http://www.eatwellguide.org/ I just used it to find a place within >> striking distance of my house that sells hanger steaks (onglet) from >> grass-fed cattle. It might be an interesting weekend drive some day >> soon. > If not for you, I wouldn't have found that and checked it out. I found an > egg place and a meat place all within 30 miles on my way to the nearest > town where I do my weekly-10 day shopping. It looks like they are nicely > out in the country. I have printed out Streets & Trips directions for a > couple of nice little side trips. > > You shall be rewarded! As a matter of fact, so will I -- thanks again. Same here, thanks Mike! See a couple of pork sources I could check out. nancy |
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:24:12 -0400, "Nancy Young"
> wrote: > >"Dee Randall" > wrote > >> "modom" > wrote > >>> Did you check the Eat Well Guide he mentions in the interview? >>> http://www.eatwellguide.org/ I just used it to find a place within >>> striking distance of my house that sells hanger steaks (onglet) from >>> grass-fed cattle. It might be an interesting weekend drive some day >>> soon. > >> If not for you, I wouldn't have found that and checked it out. I found an >> egg place and a meat place all within 30 miles on my way to the nearest >> town where I do my weekly-10 day shopping. It looks like they are nicely >> out in the country. I have printed out Streets & Trips directions for a >> couple of nice little side trips. >> >> You shall be rewarded! As a matter of fact, so will I -- thanks again. > >Same here, thanks Mike! See a couple of pork sources I could >check out. > Dee and Nancy, I just Googled Pollan's reference from the interview; weren't nuthin' special I did. But I'm here to tell you that pastured pork is a real treat. It tastes like a pig ought to taste. -- modom |
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"modom" > wrote in message ... > On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:24:12 -0400, "Nancy Young" > > wrote: > >> >>"Dee Randall" > wrote >> >>> "modom" > wrote >> >>>> Did you check the Eat Well Guide he mentions in the interview? >>>> http://www.eatwellguide.org/ I just used it to find a place within >>>> striking distance of my house that sells hanger steaks (onglet) from >>>> grass-fed cattle. It might be an interesting weekend drive some day >>>> soon. >> >>> If not for you, I wouldn't have found that and checked it out. I found >>> an >>> egg place and a meat place all within 30 miles on my way to the nearest >>> town where I do my weekly-10 day shopping. It looks like they are >>> nicely >>> out in the country. I have printed out Streets & Trips directions for a >>> couple of nice little side trips. >>> >>> You shall be rewarded! As a matter of fact, so will I -- thanks again. >> >>Same here, thanks Mike! See a couple of pork sources I could >>check out. >> > Dee and Nancy, I just Googled Pollan's reference from the interview; > weren't nuthin' special I did. But I'm here to tell you that pastured > pork is a real treat. It tastes like a pig ought to taste. > -- > modom I checked at the library and found that "Botany of Desire" is available; and a copy of the 1991 Second Natu A Gardener's Education 1991 edition is available, although "Second Nature" I notice is available as a paperback - Sep 2003. I had checked out Square Foot Gardening, an old edition, at the library, as our own copy had been given away; but happily when I went to Costco last, I found the new edition of SFG in paperback; and comparing, I like it better than the older version. Not so daunting -- great color pictures for Dee's comprehension -- tee hee. Thanks again, Dee Dee |
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In article >,
"Dee Randall" > wrote: > so they don't > open the doors until the chickens are five weeks old. They smother them at > seven weeks; so it's not exactly a lifestyle. It's more like a two-week > vacation option. And the chickens don't avail themselves of this option > because they've never been outside before. They're terrified of going > outside. First of all, it's not big enough for the whole flock. Second of > all, the food and water is inside; they're not used to it; they weren't > brought up this way. They're like the cat in the Manhattan apartment; when > you open the door they just stand there in terror wondering about the other > dimension of reality outside that door. The peron who wrote this is an idiot who has probably never actually taken care of chickens. S/he is right that for something to be called "free range" it only has to be outside for an hour a day, usually in a cage and that it is a farce and sad. However... In nature, the mother hen wouldn't allow her chicks out much from under her before five to six weeks anyway. All farmers keep their chicks in a brooder or in a brooder house with a hen for that time. They don't have feathers and would die of exposure if you let them run around, not to mention being pecked to death or smothered by the larger chickens, being eaten by rats/raccoons/eagles/hawks/owls/coyotes/etc, getting wet and chilled and freezing. This is part of why we have our chickens at home. They are in the coop at night, where they are protected from predators, and in their chicken yard during the day where they can scratch and eat grass and weeds and bugs. They are fenced in, the fencing is planted about two feet in the dirt to discourage animals from digging under it, there is netting above them, and there are bushes and trees that they can hide under when a hawk flies by. It took them about two or three days to get used to going in and out of the coop, but now they wait by the door when they hear us coming to open it in the morning, and when it starts to get dark they start marching back into it. If these big farm birds are too afraid to go out, it's because they only tried it one day. As for the food and water being indoors, except for in the heat of summer, our birds have their layer ration in a hanging feeder in the coop along with their water in a hanging waterer. We only put water outside when it is really hot, because otherwise they just go in and out to get water when they need it, slurp the dew from the plants, etc. In the summer, they drink so much more, so we put one outside as well, so they don't have to go too far to get water, it is near them in the coop if they are close to that, and it is outside if they are farther from the coop. However, most of their food is the stuff they find and eat outside, so who cares if their layer/broiler feed is inside? We also give them mashed eggshell and kitchen scraps to eat as treats and for calcium and grit. Just don't ever feed a chicken avocado or uncooked potato is what we've heard, and if you want them for eggs, no onions/peppers/brassicas, since they will flavor the eggs. Regards, Ranee Remove do not & spam to e-mail me. "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13 http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/ http://talesfromthekitchen.blogspot.com/ |
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"Ranee Mueller" > wrote in message
... > In article >, > "Dee Randall" > wrote: > >> so they don't >> open the doors until the chickens are five weeks old. They smother them >> at >> seven weeks; so it's not exactly a lifestyle. It's more like a two-week >> vacation option. And the chickens don't avail themselves of this option >> because they've never been outside before. They're terrified of going >> outside. First of all, it's not big enough for the whole flock. Second of >> all, the food and water is inside; they're not used to it; they weren't >> brought up this way. They're like the cat in the Manhattan apartment; >> when >> you open the door they just stand there in terror wondering about the >> other >> dimension of reality outside that door. > > The peron who wrote this is an idiot who has probably never actually > taken care of chickens. S/he is right that for something to be called > "free range" it only has to be outside for an hour a day, usually in a > cage and that it is a farce and sad. However... > > In nature, the mother hen wouldn't allow her chicks out much from > under her before five to six weeks anyway. All farmers keep their > chicks in a brooder or in a brooder house with a hen for that time. > They don't have feathers and would die of exposure if you let them run > around, not to mention being pecked to death or smothered by the larger > chickens, being eaten by rats/raccoons/eagles/hawks/owls/coyotes/etc, > getting wet and chilled and freezing. > > This is part of why we have our chickens at home. They are in the > coop at night, where they are protected from predators, and in their > chicken yard during the day where they can scratch and eat grass and > weeds and bugs. They are fenced in, the fencing is planted about two > feet in the dirt to discourage animals from digging under it, there is > netting above them, and there are bushes and trees that they can hide > under when a hawk flies by. It took them about two or three days to get > used to going in and out of the coop, but now they wait by the door when > they hear us coming to open it in the morning, and when it starts to get > dark they start marching back into it. If these big farm birds are too > afraid to go out, it's because they only tried it one day. > > As for the food and water being indoors, except for in the heat of > summer, our birds have their layer ration in a hanging feeder in the > coop along with their water in a hanging waterer. We only put water > outside when it is really hot, because otherwise they just go in and out > to get water when they need it, slurp the dew from the plants, etc. In > the summer, they drink so much more, so we put one outside as well, so > they don't have to go too far to get water, it is near them in the coop > if they are close to that, and it is outside if they are farther from > the coop. However, most of their food is the stuff they find and eat > outside, so who cares if their layer/broiler feed is inside? We also > give them mashed eggshell and kitchen scraps to eat as treats and for > calcium and grit. Just don't ever feed a chicken avocado or uncooked > potato is what we've heard, and if you want them for eggs, no > onions/peppers/brassicas, since they will flavor the eggs. > > Regards, > Ranee I like the sounds they make when they're poking around the yard. Next best thing to sailboat hardware tapping against the masts gently on a calm night. And, that's all I have to say about chickens at the moment. |
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Mark Thorson > wrote: > But do they taste better or worse? The reason veal is better in cramped quarters is because the muscles don't get exercised much and they stay tender. If you slaughter them young, before they are weaned, they will still be tender and quite tasty. As for the chickens, you bet they taste better. They eat more greens, bugs, and their is a real richness to the flavor. We got chickens because the people we used to trade with for fresh chicken and duck eggs stopped raising them. We had to go back to store eggs, and they were miserable. Pale, watery yolks, not the firm, high, golden yolks, they tasted pale and watery too. Duck eggs make the best omelets, too, just need one egg for a person. We plan on getting ducks, geese and turkeys in a year or two. First we are getting honey bees. The poultry was my dream, the bees are Rich's. We are adding them one type at a time, each year, so we can get used to the care of each type of creature, rather than get overwhelmed and neglect them or harm them somehow. The boys want rabbits, and if they are still interested in two years, when they can show for 4-H and be more responsible for their care, we are going to get two breeding pairs for meat and fiber, satin angoras and the more traditional fluffy angoras. Anyone who is interested in really helping the small farmer survive in America, or kids who do 4-H animal husbandry, or family farmers who raise their own family's food, please e-mail me. The USDA is working very closely with agribusiness to edge out all small time farming, and make it too expensive and difficult to do. Regards, Ranee Remove do not & spam to e-mail me. "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13 http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/ http://talesfromthekitchen.blogspot.com/ |
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> The peron who wrote this is an idiot who has probably never actually
> taken care of chickens. S/he is right that for something to be called > "free range" it only has to be outside for an hour a day, usually in a > cage and that it is a farce and sad. However... > > In nature, the mother hen wouldn't allow her chicks out much from > under her before five to six weeks anyway. All farmers keep their > chicks in a brooder or in a brooder house with a hen for that time. > They don't have feathers and would die of exposure if you let them run > around, not to mention being pecked to death or smothered by the larger > chickens, being eaten by rats/raccoons/eagles/hawks/owls/coyotes/etc, > getting wet and chilled and freezing. > > This is part of why we have our chickens at home. They are in the > coop at night, where they are protected from predators, and in their > chicken yard during the day where they can scratch and eat grass and > weeds and bugs. They are fenced in, the fencing is planted about two > feet in the dirt to discourage animals from digging under it, there is > netting above them, and there are bushes and trees that they can hide > under when a hawk flies by. It took them about two or three days to get > used to going in and out of the coop, but now they wait by the door when > they hear us coming to open it in the morning, and when it starts to get > dark they start marching back into it. If these big farm birds are too > afraid to go out, it's because they only tried it one day. > > As for the food and water being indoors, except for in the heat of > summer, our birds have their layer ration in a hanging feeder in the > coop along with their water in a hanging waterer. We only put water > outside when it is really hot, because otherwise they just go in and out > to get water when they need it, slurp the dew from the plants, etc. In > the summer, they drink so much more, so we put one outside as well, so > they don't have to go too far to get water, it is near them in the coop > if they are close to that, and it is outside if they are farther from > the coop. However, most of their food is the stuff they find and eat > outside, so who cares if their layer/broiler feed is inside? We also > give them mashed eggshell and kitchen scraps to eat as treats and for > calcium and grit. Just don't ever feed a chicken avocado or uncooked > potato is what we've heard, and if you want them for eggs, no > onions/peppers/brassicas, since they will flavor the eggs. > > Regards, > Ranee Probably you won't have the answer, or perhaps no one does, but I'm curious about feeding eggshell to chickens, only because isn't that where the problem lies with the spongiform diseases; i.e., feeding animal products to animal? Thanks, Dee Dee |
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"Dee Randall" > wrote: > Probably you won't have the answer, or perhaps no one does, but I'm curious > about feeding eggshell to chickens, only because isn't that where the > problem lies with the spongiform diseases; i.e., feeding animal products to > animal? Chickens shouldn't have their own meat given to them, and they shouldn't be given raw eggs, for two different reasons. Raw chicken meat, because they can get disease, but really only if the bird they are eating is diseased, but mostly because they will get a taste for it, and chickens can become cannibal. That's why you need to stop them pecking (not the normal pecking order sorting out stuff, but actually getting blood), because once they taste the flesh and blood, they will peck a bird to death and go on to another one. I don't know about cooked, but I see no reason to give it to them. You can give them leftover meat you cook, but I figure they eat all those bugs, so it's not an issue. The eggs, they can eat just fine, in fact, we'll give them a hard boiled egg or two, crushed up with the shell, for extra protein and calcium. Again, you don't want it to be too recognizeable as egg to them, because they'll start pecking open their own eggs and eating them, and you won't get any egg. We crush the eggs/eggshells really well, so they don't see them as eggs. Regards, Ranee Remove do not & spam to e-mail me. "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13 http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/ http://talesfromthekitchen.blogspot.com/ |
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Ranee Mueller wrote: > We plan on getting ducks, geese and turkeys in a year or two. What - no guinea fowl!? -- Best Greg |
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"Ranee Mueller" > wrote in message ... > In article >, > "Dee Randall" > wrote: > >> Probably you won't have the answer, or perhaps no one does, but I'm >> curious >> about feeding eggshell to chickens, only because isn't that where the >> problem lies with the spongiform diseases; i.e., feeding animal products >> to >> animal? > > Chickens shouldn't have their own meat given to them, and they > shouldn't be given raw eggs, for two different reasons. Raw chicken > meat, because they can get disease, but really only if the bird they are > eating is diseased, but mostly because they will get a taste for it, and > chickens can become cannibal. That's why you need to stop them pecking > (not the normal pecking order sorting out stuff, but actually getting > blood), because once they taste the flesh and blood, they will peck a > bird to death and go on to another one. I don't know about cooked, but > I see no reason to give it to them. You can give them leftover meat you > cook, but I figure they eat all those bugs, so it's not an issue. > > The eggs, they can eat just fine, in fact, we'll give them a hard > boiled egg or two, crushed up with the shell, for extra protein and > calcium. Again, you don't want it to be too recognizeable as egg to > them, because they'll start pecking open their own eggs and eating them, > and you won't get any egg. We crush the eggs/eggshells really well, so > they don't see them as eggs. > > Regards, > Ranee Gee, Ranee, I didn't expect such an expert answer. I really enjoyed reading your information. Thank you for taking the time to write this. My appreciation, Dee Dee |
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article including remarks about free range chicken
Dee Randall wrote: > "Ranee Mueller" > wrote in message > ... > > In article >, > > "Dee Randall" > wrote: > > > >> Probably you won't have the answer, or perhaps no one does, but I'm > >> curious > >> about feeding eggshell to chickens, only because isn't that where the > >> problem lies with the spongiform diseases; i.e., feeding animal products > >> to > >> animal? > > > > Chickens shouldn't have their own meat given to them, and they > > shouldn't be given raw eggs, for two different reasons. Raw chicken > > meat, because they can get disease, but really only if the bird they are > > eating is diseased, but mostly because they will get a taste for it, and > > chickens can become cannibal. That's why you need to stop them pecking > > (not the normal pecking order sorting out stuff, but actually getting > > blood), because once they taste the flesh and blood, they will peck a > > bird to death and go on to another one. I don't know about cooked, but > > I see no reason to give it to them. You can give them leftover meat you > > cook, but I figure they eat all those bugs, so it's not an issue. > > > > The eggs, they can eat just fine, in fact, we'll give them a hard > > boiled egg or two, crushed up with the shell, for extra protein and > > calcium. Again, you don't want it to be too recognizeable as egg to > > them, because they'll start pecking open their own eggs and eating them, > > and you won't get any egg. We crush the eggs/eggshells really well, so > > they don't see them as eggs. > > > > Regards, > > Ranee > > Gee, Ranee, I didn't expect such an expert answer. I really enjoyed reading > your information. Thank you for taking the time to write this. > My appreciation, Yes, very enjoyable and informative. And from reading it I realized that chickens are even wierder than I thought... -- Best Greg |
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