Er, what is it called?
 

I was considering making wine out of Niagra grapes. I was
wondering what that wine would be called?

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Desertphile, American Patriot wrote:

> I was considering making wine out of Niagra grapes. I was
> wondering what that wine would be called?
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Hello Desertphile

It's the same as with any other varietal. Wine made from Niagra grapes
is called Niagra.

hth

Frank

On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:50:08 -0500, Frank Mirigliano
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> Desertphile, American Patriot wrote:

> > I was considering making wine out of Niagra grapes. I was
> > wondering what that wine would be called?

> It's the same as with any other varietal. Wine made from Niagra grapes
> is called Niagra.

Ah, okay. :-) Thank you--- I was wondering what to put on the
label. My favorite wine, though I only drink a glass a year, is
Zinfandel, so I think I'll look up how to make it.

> hth
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> I was considering making wine out of Niagra grapes. I was
> wondering what that wine would be called?

Niagara! If you drop it then it is called Niagara falls......
Niagara juice from the store is a wonderful way to start making wine. I
recommend it highly. Good luck!
Bob
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What do you put on the Label? I put a picture of Niagara Falls on mine.
Are you using fresh grapes or juice. Welch's Niagara White Grape
Concentrate makes a delightful wine that is best drunk between 2 and 6
months old. I think that after 6 months it declines, but that is me. Just
have to drink fast. That is no problem with this wine. Everyone loves it.

Ray

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:06:55 -0500, "Bob" > wrote:

> <desertphile@hot mail. com (Desertphile, American Patriot)> wrote in message
> ...

> > I was considering making wine out of Niagra grapes. I was
> > wondering what that wine would be called?

> Niagara! If you drop it then it is called Niagara falls......
> Niagara juice from the store is a wonderful way to start
> making wine. I recommend it highly. Good luck!

Thank you. And thank you for the good luck, since I might need it.
:-) It is my hope I can press enough grapes in September to make
four or five gallons, if the vines cooperate this year. In the
mean time, while I wait for the grapes to grow, I thought I would
get some Welsh's Niagra grape juice and do a first run.

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On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 19:52:06 GMT, "Ray Calvert"
> wrote:

> What do you put on the Label? I put a picture of Niagara
> Falls on mine.

Good idea, sounds like. Do you have a sample of your label on the
'net for folks to look at?

> Are you using fresh grapes or juice.

I was thinking of doing both, since the grapes here at the ranch
will not be ready until September. If we trim the vines and remove
many of the leaves, we hope to get larger grapes. In the mean time
(five months) I thought I would do my first batch with Welsh's
juice.

> Welch's Niagara White Grape Concentrate makes a delightful
> wine that is best drunk between 2 and 6 months old. I think
> that after 6 months it declines, but that is me. Just have
> to drink fast. That is no problem with this wine. Everyone
> loves it.

Way cool.... I'm going to do that route and see how it goes. There
is a very old pioneer-era ruin on the ranch that has a root cellar
that I might turn into a winery. The spirits of the ancient
Anasazis will appreciate a bottle or two, I suppose.


> Ray

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My first wine-making "adventure" was with a friend who had about 40
Niagara vines at his place, plus some Concord. We were really suprised
about the harvesting of them, since none of our sugar/acid measurements
came out where we expected them to do based on what we had read, and
what my friend's father (a home winemaker from way back) told us. We
always had to work hard to balance them, and we wondered what had to be
done differently to get them to ripen "properly." Later we figured out
that they were ripening exactly right, but since they weren't vinifera,
they ended up with less sugar and more acid than we were expecting.

So don't be surprised if when they seem ripe, they don't measure out
ripe according to typical wine-grape musts. Wish someone had told us 3
years earlier - we'd have had a lot less frustration.

But the wine is neat - it's the only grape wine that tastes like, of
all things, grapes!

Rob

Desertphile, American Patriot wrote:

If we trim the vines and remove
> many of the leaves, we hope to get larger grapes.

My Xeric Friend,

That statement intrigues me.

Why do you want larger grapes? Larger grapes have less skin per volume
of juice, and many of the flavor components in grapes are associated
with the skins. Even with whites, I would think one would often want to
maximize the flavors, especially with something as fruity as Niagara.
In many cases, people do a "cold soak" on whites just to extract more
flavor before pressing & fermentation.

If you mean that you want sweeter, riper grapes, That's a whole 'nother
story. Many people do recommend removing the basal leaves ( those couple
of leaves on the fruiting cane leading up to the clusters) at about
veraison ( start of ripening). At least in climates where sun scald
isn't an issue. I dunno about your location.

Also, removing too many leaves farther out on the fruiting cane can
hinder ripening too, by removing the very source of the sugars we want
to go into the grapes. At least that's a consideration in areas like the
Northeast, where sunshine & warm autumn temps are at a premium. Again, YMMV.

There are also issues about canopy density that can be addressed by leaf
removal. Maybe you'd want to do a bit of research on viticulture on the
net, to get a feel for the basics.

> Way cool.... I'm going to do that route and see how it goes. There
> is a very old pioneer-era ruin on the ranch that has a root cellar
> that I might turn into a winery. The spirits of the ancient
> Anasazis will appreciate a bottle or two, I suppose.
>
Wow..... Way cool indeed.

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<desertphile@hot mail. com (Desertphile, American Patriot)> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 19:52:06 GMT, "Ray Calvert"
> > wrote:
>
>> What do you put on the Label? I put a picture of Niagara
>> Falls on mine.
>
> Good idea, sounds like. Do you have a sample of your label on the
> 'net for folks to look at?
>

No I do not but If your email address is valid I will send you a bit map
image of an example.

>> Are you using fresh grapes or juice.
>
> I was thinking of doing both, since the grapes here at the ranch
> will not be ready until September. If we trim the vines and remove
> many of the leaves, we hope to get larger grapes. In the mean time
> (five months) I thought I would do my first batch with Welsh's
> juice.
>
>> Welch's Niagara White Grape Concentrate makes a delightful
>> wine that is best drunk between 2 and 6 months old. I think
>> that after 6 months it declines, but that is me. Just have
>> to drink fast. That is no problem with this wine. Everyone
>> loves it.
>
> Way cool.... I'm going to do that route and see how it goes. There
> is a very old pioneer-era ruin on the ranch that has a root cellar
> that I might turn into a winery. The spirits of the ancient
> Anasazis will appreciate a bottle or two, I suppose.
>

Consecrate it with a different bottle in each corner or in each direction
and then drink a bottle of each in the center or something. But do be
respectful as I am sure you will.

>
Ray
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"Ray Calvert" > wrote in message
m...
> What do you put on the Label? I put a picture of Niagara Falls on mine.
> Are you using fresh grapes or juice. Welch's Niagara White Grape
> Concentrate makes a delightful wine that is best drunk between 2 and 6
> months old. I think that after 6 months it declines, but that is me.
Just
> have to drink fast. That is no problem with this wine. Everyone loves
it.

It is quite strong flavoured though.....
I had one guy refer to it as "Death By Grape"!
Bob
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>
> Ray
>
>

"Rob" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> My first wine-making "adventure" was with a friend who had about 40
> Niagara vines at his place, plus some Concord. We were really suprised
> about the harvesting of them, since none of our sugar/acid measurements
> came out where we expected them to do based on what we had read, and
> what my friend's father (a home winemaker from way back) told us. We
> always had to work hard to balance them, and we wondered what had to be
> done differently to get them to ripen "properly." Later we figured out
> that they were ripening exactly right, but since they weren't vinifera,
> they ended up with less sugar and more acid than we were expecting.
>
> So don't be surprised if when they seem ripe, they don't measure out
> ripe according to typical wine-grape musts. Wish someone had told us 3
> years earlier - we'd have had a lot less frustration.
>
> But the wine is neat - it's the only grape wine that tastes like, of
> all things, grapes!

LOL!!! Ain't it the truth, what a concept, grape-flavoured wine!

>
> Rob
>

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> <desertphile@hot mail. com (Desertphile, American Patriot)> wrote in
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> > On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 19:52:06 GMT, "Ray Calvert"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> What do you put on the Label? I put a picture of Niagara
> >> Falls on mine.
> >
> > Good idea, sounds like. Do you have a sample of your label on the
> > 'net for folks to look at?
> >
>
> No I do not but If your email address is valid I will send you a bit map
> image of an example.

Go to Altavista.com and search the images for "niagara falls"
http://www.altavista.com/image/resul...ik=photo&mik=g
raphic&mip=all&mis=all&miwxh=all
I came up with quite a selection including an aerial view showing the
horseshoe-shaped nature of the falls.
Bob
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