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Buon Vino filter - advice requested
I'm looking at buying a mini jet filtering system for my wines. I
make a number of different small quantity fruit wines - normally anywhere from 1 gal to 5 gal batches. I don't anticipate filtering all the wines as most clear very well on their own. But I give away probably half of my wines as gifts, and I'm just as fussy about their appearance as I am their quality. This is one piece of equip that I've pondered purchasing for some time. My questions are these: 1. The unit offered for sale comes with two #2 filters, are those standard? 2. Can a filter be re-used, or are they good for one application only? 3. Can a large batch sometimes require more than 1 filter? 4. Will filtering generally replace the act of fining a wine? 5. Is the filtering system easy to clean and relatively maintenance free? Thanks in advance for any assistance offered... Kim/Michigan |
"Kim" > wrote in message om... > I'm looking at buying a mini jet filtering system for my wines. I > make a number of different small quantity fruit wines - normally > anywhere from 1 gal to 5 gal batches. I don't anticipate filtering > all the wines as most clear very well on their own. But I give away > probably half of my wines as gifts, and I'm just as fussy about their > appearance as I am their quality. This is one piece of equip that > I've pondered purchasing for some time. My questions are these: > > 1. The unit offered for sale comes with two #2 filters, are those > standard? I don't know. I'll let someone else answer that. > 2. Can a filter be re-used, or are they good for one application > only? If you were to filter two wines consecutively, you might be able to get away with reuse. BTW, at the very beginning with new pads you should run citric/sulfite through the filter first, then run water through to rinse that out, then the wine. If you can arrange to "push" the water through with inert gas (nitrogen or argon) that'll help prevent dilution of your wine. > 3. Can a large batch sometimes require more than 1 filter? Unfortunately, yes. That's why you should always get the wine as clear as possible by natural methods first. The best candidate for filtration is a wine that doesn't look like it needs to be filtered. > 4. Will filtering generally replace the act of fining a wine? Apples and oranges. You should fine and settle the wine prior to filtration. A light bentonite fining is the minimum. > 5. Is the filtering system easy to clean and relatively maintenance > free? Most that I've seen are. Keep a good supply of extra pads on hand. Tom S |
"Kim" > wrote in message om... > I'm looking at buying a mini jet filtering system for my wines. I > make a number of different small quantity fruit wines - normally > anywhere from 1 gal to 5 gal batches. I don't anticipate filtering > all the wines as most clear very well on their own. But I give away > probably half of my wines as gifts, and I'm just as fussy about their > appearance as I am their quality. This is one piece of equip that > I've pondered purchasing for some time. My questions are these: > > 1. The unit offered for sale comes with two #2 filters, are those > standard? I don't know. I'll let someone else answer that. > 2. Can a filter be re-used, or are they good for one application > only? If you were to filter two wines consecutively, you might be able to get away with reuse. BTW, at the very beginning with new pads you should run citric/sulfite through the filter first, then run water through to rinse that out, then the wine. If you can arrange to "push" the water through with inert gas (nitrogen or argon) that'll help prevent dilution of your wine. > 3. Can a large batch sometimes require more than 1 filter? Unfortunately, yes. That's why you should always get the wine as clear as possible by natural methods first. The best candidate for filtration is a wine that doesn't look like it needs to be filtered. > 4. Will filtering generally replace the act of fining a wine? Apples and oranges. You should fine and settle the wine prior to filtration. A light bentonite fining is the minimum. > 5. Is the filtering system easy to clean and relatively maintenance > free? Most that I've seen are. Keep a good supply of extra pads on hand. Tom S |
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I'll add a few observations as well.
"Kim" > wrote in message om... > I'm looking at buying a mini jet filtering system for my wines. I > make a number of different small quantity fruit wines - normally > anywhere from 1 gal to 5 gal batches. I don't anticipate filtering > all the wines as most clear very well on their own. But I give away > probably half of my wines as gifts, and I'm just as fussy about their > appearance as I am their quality. This is one piece of equip that > I've pondered purchasing for some time. My questions are these: > > 1. The unit offered for sale comes with two #2 filters, are those > standard? This has been answered elsewhere. > 2. Can a filter be re-used, or are they good for one application > only? The filters are disposable. Use them for one filtration. The manufacturer suggests that you can filter up to 10 gallons with one set of filters. Yesterday I filtered 54L of previously fined chardonnay. It was quite clear already and the filtering (with #2 pads) went fine. > 3. Can a large batch sometimes require more than 1 filter? As from above, you should be able to filter up to at least 10 gallons. However, this will partly depend on the clarity of the wine to be filtered, as well as the pore size of the pad. > 4. Will filtering generally replace the act of fining a wine? See Tom's answer. > 5. Is the filtering system easy to clean and relatively maintenance > free? They are trivial to clean and maintain. I have had mine for a number of years and although I don't use it that often I have never had any problems cleaning it or maintaining it in good running order. Just remember to clean right after use, run some water through the pump as suggested by the manufacturer and you should be fine. I highly recommend them as a small filtering solution. > Thanks in advance for any assistance offered... > > Kim/Michigan Your welcome, Tim/Vancouver |
I'll add a few observations as well.
"Kim" > wrote in message om... > I'm looking at buying a mini jet filtering system for my wines. I > make a number of different small quantity fruit wines - normally > anywhere from 1 gal to 5 gal batches. I don't anticipate filtering > all the wines as most clear very well on their own. But I give away > probably half of my wines as gifts, and I'm just as fussy about their > appearance as I am their quality. This is one piece of equip that > I've pondered purchasing for some time. My questions are these: > > 1. The unit offered for sale comes with two #2 filters, are those > standard? This has been answered elsewhere. > 2. Can a filter be re-used, or are they good for one application > only? The filters are disposable. Use them for one filtration. The manufacturer suggests that you can filter up to 10 gallons with one set of filters. Yesterday I filtered 54L of previously fined chardonnay. It was quite clear already and the filtering (with #2 pads) went fine. > 3. Can a large batch sometimes require more than 1 filter? As from above, you should be able to filter up to at least 10 gallons. However, this will partly depend on the clarity of the wine to be filtered, as well as the pore size of the pad. > 4. Will filtering generally replace the act of fining a wine? See Tom's answer. > 5. Is the filtering system easy to clean and relatively maintenance > free? They are trivial to clean and maintain. I have had mine for a number of years and although I don't use it that often I have never had any problems cleaning it or maintaining it in good running order. Just remember to clean right after use, run some water through the pump as suggested by the manufacturer and you should be fine. I highly recommend them as a small filtering solution. > Thanks in advance for any assistance offered... > > Kim/Michigan Your welcome, Tim/Vancouver |
"Tim O'Connor" > wrote in message
news:hfMXc.20625$A8.8300@edtnps89... > I'll add a few observations as well. > > And even more. This info is from Buon Vino via email: "The ratings on the pads are as follows # 1 pads - 5 micron # 2 pads 1.8 microns # 3 .5 microns Please note that these are nominal ratings not absolute." |
For 3 years, I was a fan of the Buon Vino mini-filter. It's realiable, and
easy. But as I got into winemaking more, the fact that the tightest minijet filter pad still won't filter out yeast became a problem. For not much more money, you can get a cartridge style filter system from Presque Isle, and it's far more versatile. It just depends on how far you want to go with winemaking, and how much money you want to spend. Lee |
"LG1111" > wrote in message ... > For 3 years, I was a fan of the Buon Vino mini-filter. It's realiable, and > easy. But as I got into winemaking more, the fact that the tightest minijet > filter pad still won't filter out yeast became a problem. For not much more > money, you can get a cartridge style filter system from Presque Isle, and it's > far more versatile. At your level you should do what commercial wineries do, except on a smaller scale. Pad filtration first, followed by a membrane cartridge filter is the way to go. The idea is to absorb most of the particle load in cheap, pad filters, thereby extending the useful life span of the expensive membrane filters. Tom S |
My wife bought our Buon Vino filter system when we got into making our
wines. She said she didn't want 'crap' floating in it. I made a few mistakes with it. One of the things I did was not tighten the hand knobs down enough and got sprayed when I turned it on. Then I filtered a young wine trying to speed up the fining. It ended up loading up the filter and spraying red wine all over the laundry room! I was lucky enough that the laundry was done and it didn't get on anyones clothes. I did have a expert winemaker evaluate some of my wine and he recommended using the .5 micron filter to polish the wine after it had been fined with bentonite and racked and sat for 8 to 12 months and a few days before putting it into bottles. So now my wines are a step up from what they use to be. Nothing floating and crystal clear. It improved the visual effect. Tastes the same. |
Hello Kim,
I have and use a mini jet filter with #2 pads. Depending on the clarity of the wine, you can get 10 gal. filtered with 1 set of 3 pads. Just remember that filtering will strip out some color and flavor from a wine so I wouldn't recommend using a # 3 (sterile) pad or filtering twice with a # 2. The best way is to let the wine age and rack several times. Also, you should prep the pads according to the instructions (citric acid and sulfite) then run clean water though the filter. Taste the water to make sure that the "cardboard" taste has been removed from the pads. Also, depending upon your technique, you will either lose or water down a small batch of wine due to having run water through the pads. There are pros and cons to everything in life! Regards, Al "Kim" > wrote in message om... > I'm looking at buying a mini jet filtering system for my wines. I > make a number of different small quantity fruit wines - normally > anywhere from 1 gal to 5 gal batches. I don't anticipate filtering > all the wines as most clear very well on their own. But I give away > probably half of my wines as gifts, and I'm just as fussy about their > appearance as I am their quality. This is one piece of equip that > I've pondered purchasing for some time. My questions are these: > > 1. The unit offered for sale comes with two #2 filters, are those > standard? > 2. Can a filter be re-used, or are they good for one application > only? > 3. Can a large batch sometimes require more than 1 filter? > 4. Will filtering generally replace the act of fining a wine? > 5. Is the filtering system easy to clean and relatively maintenance > free? > > Thanks in advance for any assistance offered... > > Kim/Michigan |
Hello Kim,
I have and use a mini jet filter with #2 pads. Depending on the clarity of the wine, you can get 10 gal. filtered with 1 set of 3 pads. Just remember that filtering will strip out some color and flavor from a wine so I wouldn't recommend using a # 3 (sterile) pad or filtering twice with a # 2. The best way is to let the wine age and rack several times. Also, you should prep the pads according to the instructions (citric acid and sulfite) then run clean water though the filter. Taste the water to make sure that the "cardboard" taste has been removed from the pads. Also, depending upon your technique, you will either lose or water down a small batch of wine due to having run water through the pads. There are pros and cons to everything in life! Regards, Al "Kim" > wrote in message om... > I'm looking at buying a mini jet filtering system for my wines. I > make a number of different small quantity fruit wines - normally > anywhere from 1 gal to 5 gal batches. I don't anticipate filtering > all the wines as most clear very well on their own. But I give away > probably half of my wines as gifts, and I'm just as fussy about their > appearance as I am their quality. This is one piece of equip that > I've pondered purchasing for some time. My questions are these: > > 1. The unit offered for sale comes with two #2 filters, are those > standard? > 2. Can a filter be re-used, or are they good for one application > only? > 3. Can a large batch sometimes require more than 1 filter? > 4. Will filtering generally replace the act of fining a wine? > 5. Is the filtering system easy to clean and relatively maintenance > free? > > Thanks in advance for any assistance offered... > > Kim/Michigan |
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