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glad heart 17-03-2004 05:01 PM

removing small amt of must to add back later
 
I've heard of winemakers removing a small amount of must prior to
fermentation. They add it back to the wine later to enhance flavour.
A couple questions:

1. How much is a reasonable amount? A cup? A litre?
2. Storage tips? Presumably frozen in a sanitized plastic pop
container.
3. At what stage in the process is the juice added back?
4. Is there a meaningful bouquet/flavour benefit to this procedure?
5. Sorbate required? I assume yes.
6. I assume this will produce an "off dry" wine. Would this
procedure then be undesirable for most reds?

I guess that was more than "a couple" questions.

Thanks, Jim

JEP 18-03-2004 08:42 PM

removing small amt of must to add back later
 
(glad heart) wrote in message om>...
> I've heard of winemakers removing a small amount of must prior to
> fermentation. They add it back to the wine later to enhance flavour.
> A couple questions:
>
> 1. How much is a reasonable amount? A cup? A litre?


It depends how sweet you want the finished wine. I did this with a
Riesling 10 liter kit and reserved 2 liters of the concentrate. Used
the other 8 liters of concentrate diluted to 5 gallons for the
starting wine.

> 2. Storage tips? Presumably frozen in a sanitized plastic pop
> container.


I use a 2 liter soda bottle in the fridge.

> 3. At what stage in the process is the juice added back?


After the wine is done fermenting, clear and stable.

> 4. Is there a meaningful bouquet/flavour benefit to this procedure?


Definitely in my case since I used concentrate. I would expect some
benefit even with plain juice, but probably not to the same degree.

> 5. Sorbate required? I assume yes.


Yes. Or sterile filtering.

> 6. I assume this will produce an "off dry" wine. Would this
> procedure then be undesirable for most reds?


Yes to both, unless making a port or other sweet red style of wine.
>
> I guess that was more than "a couple" questions.
>
> Thanks, Jim


Andy

glad heart 22-03-2004 09:37 AM

removing small amt of must to add back later
 
Thanks for your comments Andy. Much obliged.

I guess the storage options are refrigeration or freezing. Any
thoughts on benefits / hazards comparing the two options? Could
either method safely store extra must for 6-8 months for example?

Cheers,

Jim

JEP 22-03-2004 03:50 PM

removing small amt of must to add back later
 
(glad heart) wrote in message . com>...
> Thanks for your comments Andy. Much obliged.
>
> I guess the storage options are refrigeration or freezing. Any
> thoughts on benefits / hazards comparing the two options? Could
> either method safely store extra must for 6-8 months for example?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jim


Freezing the juice is probably a safer option. Some yeasts can still
ferment in the 40 F range of a typical fridge. They slow way down, but
still ferment.

I was using concentrate so felt pretty confident there was not much in
the way of active yeast in there. If you use fresh juice, this may not
be the case and the freezer temps would insure nothing grows.

Andy


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