Guy in the classifieds is selling a bunch of winemaking gear including
"jerobams." Never heard of a jerobam. Anyone???

- Matt
www.man-man.org

"Matt Shepherd" > wrote:
> Guy in the classifieds is selling a bunch of winemaking gear including
> "jerobams." Never heard of a jerobam. Anyone???

A Jeroboam (named after an evil biblical king) is a large wine bottle. There
are two sizes of Jeroboams: A sparkling wine Jeroboam equals 4 regular
bottles, or 3.0 liters. A red wine Jeroboam equals 6 regular bottles, or 4.5
liters. There are also some 5.0 liter Jeroboams.

Standard wine-bottle sizes:
---------------------------
Half-Bottle
375 milliliters or one half of the standard bottle size. Also known as a
"split" or a "tenth".

[Standard] Bottle
750 milliliters of wine, this is the standard size. Also called a
"fifth", because it is 1/5 of a US gallon.

Magnum
1.5 lters or two times the standard bottle size

Double Magnum
3.0 liters or twice the size of a magnum, equivalent of 4 bottles.

Jeroboam
Sparkling wine Jeroboam equals 4 regular bottles, or 3.0 liters.
Red wine Jeroboam equals 6 regular bottles, or 4.5 liters.
Some 5.0 liter Jeroboams exist.

Imperial (not the same as an Imperial gallon, which is 4.5 litres)
6.0 liters or 8 regular bottles.

Methuselah (named after my younger brother, the chap in Genesis wot live 969
years)
Same size as an Imperial but is usually used for sparkling wines and is
Burgundy-shaped.

Salmanazar (named after someone in the Book of Daniel)
9.0 liters. 12 regular bottles or one case.

Balthazar (named after another someone in the Book of Daniel)
12.0 liters. 16 bottles. Usually used for sparkling wines.

Nebuchadnezzar (named after the wicked Babylonian king responsible for
destruction of the First Temple)
15.0 liters. 20 regular bottles. Usually used for sparkling wines.

> Half-Bottle
> 375 milliliters or one half of the standard bottle size. Also known as a
> "split" or a "tenth".
>

I think a split is 187 mls.

clyde

"Clyde Gill" > wrote:
>
> > Half-Bottle
> > 375 milliliters or one half of the standard bottle size. Also known as
a
> > "split" or a "tenth".

> I think a split is 187 mls.

The term is used for both the 187 ml bottle and the 375 ml bottle (as you
can verify with an internet search for "split wine bottle"). It originally
applied to the 375 ml bottle, and derived from "Let's split a bottle".

The 187 ml bottle is a relatively new creation.

> > > Half-Bottle
> > > 375 milliliters or one half of the standard bottle size. Also known
as
> a
> > > "split" or a "tenth".
>
> > I think a split is 187 mls.
>
> The term is used for both the 187 ml bottle and the 375 ml bottle (as you
> can verify with an internet search for "split wine bottle").

You can find just about whatever you want on the internet. Doesn't mean
it's correct.

> It originally
> applied to the 375 ml bottle, and derived from "Let's split a bottle".
>

Sounds catchy, but I don't think it's true.


> The 187 ml bottle is a relatively new creation.
>
>

What makes you think that?

clyde

Negodki: The term is used for both the 187 ml bottle and the 375 ml bottle
(as you can verify with an internet search for "split wine bottle").

Clyde: You can find just about whatever you want on the internet. Doesn't
mean it's correct.

Negodki: No, but it DOES prove that the term IS used (correctly or
incorrectly) for both the 187 ml and 375 ml bottles, which is what I stated.
I also posted a followup which admitted that the definition in the BATF regs
corresponds with yours. That doesn't negate the fact that the term is used
for both bottle sizes. And since usage of a word defines its accepted
meaning, neither definition is correct or incorrect.

Negodki: It originally applied to the 375 ml bottle, and derived from "Let's
split a bottle".

Clyde: Sounds catchy, but I don't think it's true.

Negodki: No? Then what is the etymology of the term in this context?

Negodki: The 187 ml bottle is a relatively new creation.

Clyde: What makes you think that?

Negodki: History?

"Clyde Gill" > wrote:

> I think a split is 187 mls.

You are "legally" correct (at least in the U.S.), because that is how it
appears in the BATF regulations. The BATF formerly recognized 16 bottle
sizes for domestic American wine and 27 sizes for imports. That ended on
January 1, 1975, when metric sizing was introduced, becoming mandatory on
January 1, 1979. Except for “magnum,” the names of the sizes are not allowed
to appear on the label.

New size Capacity Old size
Miniature 100 mL miniature
Small 187 mL split
Medium 375 mL tenth
Regular 750 mL fifth
Large 1 liter quart
Magnum 1.5 liter magnum
Extra Large 3 liter jeroboam

Having a very strong connection to the wine bottle business I can tell you
that Clyde is correct despite whatever "internet refererences" you have.
John Dixon
"Negodki" > wrote in message
...
> "Clyde Gill" > wrote:
>
> > I think a split is 187 mls.
>
> You are "legally" correct (at least in the U.S.), because that is how it
> appears in the BATF regulations. The BATF formerly recognized 16 bottle
> sizes for domestic American wine and 27 sizes for imports. That ended on
> January 1, 1975, when metric sizing was introduced, becoming mandatory on
> January 1, 1979. Except for "magnum," the names of the sizes are not
allowed
> to appear on the label.
>
> New size Capacity Old size
> Miniature 100 mL miniature
> Small 187 mL split
> Medium 375 mL tenth
> Regular 750 mL fifth
> Large 1 liter quart
> Magnum 1.5 liter magnum
> Extra Large 3 liter jeroboam
>
>

"J Dixon" > wrote:

> Having a very strong connection to the wine bottle business I can tell you
> that Clyde is correct despite whatever "internet refererences" you have.

Please refer to my TWO previous posts in this thread.

When Clyde posed his objection to my definitions (which I also obtained from
someone "in the wine bottle business"), I did an Internet search to see if
my source was in error. I found there were just as many merchants "in the
wine bottle business" who used the term to refer to a 375 ml bottle as there
were merchants "in the wine bottle business" who used the term for a 187 ml
bottle. So I concluded that the term (obviously) is used for both sizes (by
different people), and so stated. [For that matter, merchants "in the wine
bottle business" also use the term "split" to refer to a 500 ml bottle!]

I also noted that the Treasury once used the term to denote the 1/20 gallon
(189.3 ml) bottle (which has now been replaced by its closest metric
equivalent, the 187 ml bottle), just as the "fifth" gallon (757 ml) bottle
has now been replaced by ITS closest metric equivalent, the 750 ml bottle.
Thus the 187 ml bottle is of even more recent origin (in this country) than
the 1/20 gallon "split".

I also did some additional research, which indicates that the term "split"
originally referred to the 375 ml bottle (or rather the 1/10 gallon bottle)
for the reason stated in my earlier post. It was the Treasury that later
chose to "misuse" the term for the 1/20 gallon bottle. However, those who
were accustomed to calling a 1/10 gallon bottle a split have continued to do
so, as have those who learned their "bottle terminology" from those sources.

Furthermore, since we have three different size bottles (3.0 litre, 4.5
litre, and 5.0 liter) represented by the term "Jeroboam", and three current
legal measures represented by the term "gallon" (US dry gallon, US liquid
gallon, Imperial Gallon) , why is it so difficult for you to accept that two
bottle sizes might be referred to by the term "split"?

Matt Shepherd wrote:

> Guy in the classifieds is selling a bunch of winemaking gear including
> "jerobams." Never heard of a jerobam. Anyone???

That is one name for a certain size large format bottle. I think it's 3
litres if it's a champagne and 4.5 litres for still wine. I may be
wrong... it's spelled Jeroboam BTW :^)

--
charles

"Once ... in the wilds of Afghanistan, I lost my corkscrew, and we were
forced to live on nothing but food and water for days."
- W.C. Fields

Jerobam: An oversized bottle holding the equivalent of six bottles.=20
In Champagne, a Jeroboam holds four bottles.
jer=B7o=B7bo=B7am ( P ) Pronunciation Key (jr-bm)
n.=20
A wine bottle holding 4/5 of a gallon (3.03 liters).
128 fluid ozs or ( 20 fliud ozs per pint) uk

Name Regions Size=20
Half Bottle All 375 ml=20
Normal Bottle All
(bit more for Champagne) 750 ml=20
Magnum All 2 bottles=20
Marie-Jean All 3 bottles=20
Double Magnum All 4 bottles=20
Jeroboam Burgundy, Champagne 4 bottles=20
Jeroboam Bordeaux, Cabernet Sauvignon 6 bottles =20
Reboboam Burgundy, Champagne 6 bottles=20
Imperial Bordeaux, Cabernet Sauvignon 8 bottles =20
Methuselah Burgundy, Champagne 8 bottles =20
Salmanazar Burgundy, Champagne 12 bottles =20
Balthazar Burgundy, Champagne 16 bottles =20
Nebuchadnezzar Burgundy, Champagne 20 bottles =20


does this help you Stephen.

"Matt Shepherd" > wrote in message =
m...
Guy in the classifieds is selling a bunch of winemaking gear including
"jerobams." Never heard of a jerobam. Anyone???

- Matt
www.man-man.org