Please help ID these grapes (links to pics)
 

I have what I believe is a row of Concord growing in my yard, but not
100% certain. They are bright purple and now if I crush one, it has 4
stones buried within green fruit. It is still very tart and I do NOT
get a red stain on the fingers (yet?) when I crush the skins in the
hand. I don't have a picture of these, but can compare if someone can
help!

By the way, I am in the Erie, PA area, but south of I-90 where there
are far fewer grapes than North of I-90, where the welch's concords
grow en masse.

Now, riding down the road a couple days ago, I saw some grapes growing
high up on an old wild apple tree, and I am trying to figure out what
they may be. The grapes are beautiful in size and color, the ones in
this picture are approximately the same size diameter as a dime or
penny. When squeezed, the fruit is white (clear) and also has four
stones. The taste is very sweet, maybe like a concord grape, but
doesn't taste like welch's or like grape jelly. When I squeeze these
skins which are darker, I'd label as black, they do indeed leave a red
stain on the fingers. I would also say they have a bit of tannin, but
not heavy with it, at least with my small taste.

Here are the links to the pics (about 330K each). I have one of a
medium cluster, and one of a leaf with cluster in the background.


http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/8...dsweet1vq0.jpg


http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8...dsweet2ry0.jpg


Here I have a picture of what I just generically call "wild grapes".
These are much smaller, about the size of a pencil eraser, dark
purple, very little pulp, very bitter, and stain the hands purple
immediately, they're also full of seeds. I made some wine of these
last year, needed to make like a fruit wine with lots of water and
sugar. Surprisingly it isn't bad, but I'll know more in a year, any
help with these would be appreciated as well. These are clearly
different from the ones above.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4264/wildsourfd2.jpg

many thanks in advance

Greg, Erie, PA

Please help ID these grapes (links to pics)
 

The leaves do not look like Concord to me. They look like a French
Hybrid.

Joe
Hoss wrote:
> I have what I believe is a row of Concord growing in my yard, but not
> 100% certain. They are bright purple and now if I crush one, it has 4
> stones buried within green fruit. It is still very tart and I do NOT
> get a red stain on the fingers (yet?) when I crush the skins in the
> hand. I don't have a picture of these, but can compare if someone can
> help!
>
> By the way, I am in the Erie, PA area, but south of I-90 where there
> are far fewer grapes than North of I-90, where the welch's concords
> grow en masse.
>
> Now, riding down the road a couple days ago, I saw some grapes growing
> high up on an old wild apple tree, and I am trying to figure out what
> they may be. The grapes are beautiful in size and color, the ones in
> this picture are approximately the same size diameter as a dime or
> penny. When squeezed, the fruit is white (clear) and also has four
> stones. The taste is very sweet, maybe like a concord grape, but
> doesn't taste like welch's or like grape jelly. When I squeeze these
> skins which are darker, I'd label as black, they do indeed leave a red
> stain on the fingers. I would also say they have a bit of tannin, but
> not heavy with it, at least with my small taste.
>
> Here are the links to the pics (about 330K each). I have one of a
> medium cluster, and one of a leaf with cluster in the background.
>
>
> http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/8...dsweet1vq0.jpg
>
>
> http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8...dsweet2ry0.jpg
>
>
> Here I have a picture of what I just generically call "wild grapes".
> These are much smaller, about the size of a pencil eraser, dark
> purple, very little pulp, very bitter, and stain the hands purple
> immediately, they're also full of seeds. I made some wine of these
> last year, needed to make like a fruit wine with lots of water and
> sugar. Surprisingly it isn't bad, but I'll know more in a year, any
> help with these would be appreciated as well. These are clearly
> different from the ones above.
>
> http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4264/wildsourfd2.jpg
>
> many thanks in advance
>
> Greg, Erie, PA

Please help ID these grapes (links to pics)
 

"Hoss" > wrote in message
...
> I have what I believe is a row of Concord growing in my yard, but not
> 100% certain. They are bright purple and now if I crush one, it has 4
> stones buried within green fruit. It is still very tart and I do NOT
> get a red stain on the fingers (yet?) when I crush the skins in the
> hand. I don't have a picture of these, but can compare if someone can
> help!
>
> By the way, I am in the Erie, PA area, but south of I-90 where there
> are far fewer grapes than North of I-90, where the welch's concords
> grow en masse.
>
> Now, riding down the road a couple days ago, I saw some grapes growing
> high up on an old wild apple tree, and I am trying to figure out what
> they may be. The grapes are beautiful in size and color, the ones in
> this picture are approximately the same size diameter as a dime or
> penny. When squeezed, the fruit is white (clear) and also has four
> stones. The taste is very sweet, maybe like a concord grape, but
> doesn't taste like welch's or like grape jelly. When I squeeze these
> skins which are darker, I'd label as black, they do indeed leave a red
> stain on the fingers. I would also say they have a bit of tannin, but
> not heavy with it, at least with my small taste.
>
> Here are the links to the pics (about 330K each). I have one of a
> medium cluster, and one of a leaf with cluster in the background.
>
>
> http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/8...dsweet1vq0.jpg
>
>
> http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8...dsweet2ry0.jpg
>
>
> Here I have a picture of what I just generically call "wild grapes".
> These are much smaller, about the size of a pencil eraser, dark
> purple, very little pulp, very bitter, and stain the hands purple
> immediately, they're also full of seeds. I made some wine of these
> last year, needed to make like a fruit wine with lots of water and
> sugar. Surprisingly it isn't bad, but I'll know more in a year, any
> help with these would be appreciated as well. These are clearly
> different from the ones above.
>
> http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4264/wildsourfd2.jpg
>
> many thanks in advance
>
> Greg, Erie, PA

Greg, you might try the Penn State Ag Extension office. Call first,
perhaps they can recommend someone to identify the variety. I understand
that grape varieties can be identified by the leaf's lobes, veins, teeth,
etc. Otherwise, take a leaf, some ripe fruit and an understanding of the
vines' growth habits with you when you ask someone.
The Moorheads at PIWC can probably tell you what they are. Their "about
us" web page has this:
<snip>
" E-MAIL - send us your questions or comments."
</snip>
hth

Tom