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Damn Parker to hell! (Was Modified Davis 20 point system)
There you ago again. Just spouting off some one else's thoughts with nothing to back them up. No specifics, just very general statements and innuendo. Andy |
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JEP62 wrote: > There you ago again. Just spouting off some one else's thoughts with > nothing to back them up. No specifics, just very general statements and > innuendo. Are you Parker's lover or something? > > Andy |
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I've never met the guy. I've never even subscribed to the guy's newsletter. I just don't like it when you spout off as fact something that is beyond your knowledge and then refuse to back it up with anything that remotely resembles fact. You just parrot what someone else says and complain about what other people do while doing the same thing yourself. It's hypocritical, bigoted, and juvenile and shows exactly how little you know and how worthless your opinions are. Andy |
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Damn Parker to hell! (Was Modified Davis 20 point system)
JEP62 wrote: > I've never met the guy. I've never even subscribed to the guy's > newsletter. I just don't like it when you spout off as fact something > that is beyond your knowledge and then refuse to back it up with > anything that remotely resembles fact. You just parrot what someone > else says and complain about what other people do while doing the same > thing yourself. It's hypocritical, bigoted, and juvenile and shows > exactly how little you know and how worthless your opinions are. Well, thank you for confirming my suspicions. You're just another ('fill in the blank') American. I was in a wine shop Saturday, when in walks an older lady (very pale) probably about late 50s or so. Very haughty air about her, I might add. Told the prop that she was looking for a case of Charles Krug 'Cabernet'. He responded by saying that they made several: 'Which one d'ya want'? 'I don't have a case of that.' 'I'll have to order it.' http://www.charleskrug.com/index.cfm...on/wines.main/ She also declaimed that she wanted a sparkling white--to have with salmon. I found this whole scene hysterical..... I think I'll have a bubbling red...with raw eggs....! > Andy |
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Damn Parker to hell! (Was Modified Davis 20 point system)
JEP62 wrote: > I've never met the guy. I've never even subscribed to the guy's > newsletter. I just don't like it when you spout off as fact something > that is beyond your knowledge and then refuse to back it up with > anything that remotely resembles fact. You just parrot what someone > else says and complain about what other people do while doing the same > thing yourself. It's hypocritical, bigoted, and juvenile and shows > exactly how little you know and how worthless your opinions are. The amount of absolute puffery that surrounds wine is unbelievable. It's just wine! I find trips to the wine shop a constant source of amusement and hilarity. How absolutely vain so many people are, what with the points and the posturing. Just drink the (Italian, of course) wine with some nice food (Italian, of course) and enjoy life (the way Italians, of course, do). > > > Andy |
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Primitivo?
miles wrote: > wrote: > > miles wrote: > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I used to read what he wrote, and then I found in my own wine-drinking > >>> that he was full of crap. He praised wines that sucked, and disparged > >>> wines that are attractive. he believes, erroneously, that Italian wines > >>> should be judged in the same way that F_____ or American versions of > >>> F______ wines are judged. That's incorrect. Italian wines are totally > >> For an individual person why do they have to judge any wine in > >> particular fashion? You make it sound as if everyone should love wines > >> that are rated as attractive and dislike wines that aren't. Neat thing > >> about people, they have different tastes. For me, my judging method is > >> rather simple. I try a wine and I like it or I don't. I don't care at > >> all whether it got a 99 or an 89 rating in some magazine. > > > > Great. But do you read the magazine or pay attention to what is in it? > > Sure but only to compare TN's. Not to tell me if a wine is good or bad > though. I compare the TN's for similarities of TN's for wines I know I > like. IOW's I like Karley Warrior Fire Zin. If I see a particular > writer make TN's about it good or bad, and then make a similar TN's on > another Zin it's likely the two are similar and I might like it. |
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miles wrote: > wrote: > > Primitivo? > > Zinfandel and Primitivo are the same grape I believe. It doesn't seem > like Primitivo winesin Europe is anywheres near as popular as the > California Zinfandel wines. I LOVE Primitivo, but I don't know how similar the Calif Zins are. |
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> skrev i melding oups.com... > > miles wrote: >> wrote: >> > Primitivo? >> >> Zinfandel and Primitivo are the same grape I believe. It doesn't seem >> like Primitivo winesin Europe is anywheres near as popular as the >> California Zinfandel wines. > > I LOVE Primitivo, but I don't know how similar the Calif Zins are. > Why not try a good Zin, then? It might even be better with some kinds of food? Anders |
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Anders Tørneskog wrote: > > skrev i melding > oups.com... > > > > miles wrote: > >> wrote: > >> > Primitivo? > >> > >> Zinfandel and Primitivo are the same grape I believe. It doesn't seem > >> like Primitivo winesin Europe is anywheres near as popular as the > >> California Zinfandel wines. > > > > I LOVE Primitivo, but I don't know how similar the Calif Zins are. > > > Why not try a good Zin, then? It might even be better with some kinds of > food? Perhaps. My point (or rant) in this thread was about Parker and Parkerized wines. Everything has to be BIG. Parker adheres to the same American attitude that prompts American men to make themselves into freaks of nature with body building and steroids, American women to have breast implants, and to drive huge SUVs. The whole thing makes me sick. Take a look: http://www.captivephotographics.com.au/Bodybuilding.htm It's grotesque. The other part of this is the need for 'scoring'. It's almost unheard of today for anything American not to have some metric attached to it. Everything has to be quantified. People talk about their houses in terms of square feet. So, to Americans, wine has to have a number attached to it. > Anders |
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Modified Davis 20 point system
> wrote in message oups.com... > Maybe you have not heras the news, but the South is making some > spectacular wines! > > Much of what you dismiss has been sent north for decades to fill out > that 'Tuscan' or 'Veneto' wine. > > st.helier wrote: >> "Michael Scarpitti" wrote .......... >> >> >> I have no intention in wasting my time becoming familiar with wines >> >> from >> >> Puglia or Sicily or other regions where the vast majority of wines are >> >> characterless swill, just so I can find the one or two serious >> >> producers >> >> who >> >> do have the pride and patience to make excellent examples of local >> >> wines. >> > >> > Then the loss is yours. Puglia, Sardinia, and Sicily have upgraded >> > significantly in the past 20 years. >> > >> >> That may well be the case, however, what arrives on these shores from >> Sicily >> or Puglia is (with one or two exceptions) quaffable cheap rubbish not to >> my >> liking. > > If you want names, I'll give you names! Or you may want to look in the > Gambero Rosso books for suggestions. > >> And why should I? There is a whole world of wine, waiting for me! > > Yeah, but it certainly isn't worth getting excited about......at all. > >> And "good value" well made Italian wines *are* on that list - but not to >> the exclusion of anything else. >> >> I am a great fan of Amarone (Speri 'Monte Sant Urbano' or Masi Costasera >> Amarone) and Masi's Campofiorin. > > Have you tried Patriglione? It has much of the character of an Amarone > (made from Negroamaro grapes, you see.....) > >> My favourite Tuscan is currently Villa Cafaggio Chianti Riserva 2001. > > In general I find Tuscan wines over-rated. I'm not as fond of > Sangiovese as most Italian wine drinkers. I prefer the nothern or > southern grapes. (Barbera, Nebbiolo, Dolcetto, Aglianico, Negroamarao, > Primitivo, Carignano, etc....) > >> You once asked if had tried Grignolino - well I have done better - I >> tried a >> couple in 1989 at the regional enoteca in Vignale Monferrato - maybe I >> was >> offered poorer versions, but I was left decidedly underwhelmed. > > Was it Giacosa? > >> My point is Michael, that I am not blinkered - I am broad minded enough >> to >> seek the best in *all* things. >> >> You on the other hand will never experience the delights that 82% of the >> worlds winemaking experience offers. > > Mostly ****... Michael, sei un coglione. Marcello |
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Nur ein?
Marcello Fabretti wrote: > > wrote in message > oups.com... > > Maybe you have not heras the news, but the South is making some > > spectacular wines! > > > > Much of what you dismiss has been sent north for decades to fill out > > that 'Tuscan' or 'Veneto' wine. > > > > st.helier wrote: > >> "Michael Scarpitti" wrote .......... > >> > >> >> I have no intention in wasting my time becoming familiar with wines > >> >> from > >> >> Puglia or Sicily or other regions where the vast majority of wines are > >> >> characterless swill, just so I can find the one or two serious > >> >> producers > >> >> who > >> >> do have the pride and patience to make excellent examples of local > >> >> wines. > >> > > >> > Then the loss is yours. Puglia, Sardinia, and Sicily have upgraded > >> > significantly in the past 20 years. > >> > > >> > >> That may well be the case, however, what arrives on these shores from > >> Sicily > >> or Puglia is (with one or two exceptions) quaffable cheap rubbish not to > >> my > >> liking. > > > > If you want names, I'll give you names! Or you may want to look in the > > Gambero Rosso books for suggestions. > > > >> And why should I? There is a whole world of wine, waiting for me! > > > > Yeah, but it certainly isn't worth getting excited about......at all. > > > >> And "good value" well made Italian wines *are* on that list - but not to > >> the exclusion of anything else. > >> > >> I am a great fan of Amarone (Speri 'Monte Sant Urbano' or Masi Costasera > >> Amarone) and Masi's Campofiorin. > > > > Have you tried Patriglione? It has much of the character of an Amarone > > (made from Negroamaro grapes, you see.....) > > > >> My favourite Tuscan is currently Villa Cafaggio Chianti Riserva 2001. > > > > In general I find Tuscan wines over-rated. I'm not as fond of > > Sangiovese as most Italian wine drinkers. I prefer the nothern or > > southern grapes. (Barbera, Nebbiolo, Dolcetto, Aglianico, Negroamarao, > > Primitivo, Carignano, etc....) > > > >> You once asked if had tried Grignolino - well I have done better - I > >> tried a > >> couple in 1989 at the regional enoteca in Vignale Monferrato - maybe I > >> was > >> offered poorer versions, but I was left decidedly underwhelmed. > > > > Was it Giacosa? > > > >> My point is Michael, that I am not blinkered - I am broad minded enough > >> to > >> seek the best in *all* things. > >> > >> You on the other hand will never experience the delights that 82% of the > >> worlds winemaking experience offers. > > > > Mostly ****... > > Michael, sei un coglione. > > Marcello |
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