Today's NY Times contains an article by Eric Asimov about the wines of
the Languedoc. It's not terribly profound, although generally factually
correct (exception: AFAIK carignan is not an allowed varietal in the S.
Rhone, unless one includes Costières de Nîmes/Bouche du Rhone). In
their tasting, the top wines are from estates I don't know well (Ch. de
Lascaux, Mas de Chimères, Jean-Michel Alquier, Ch. Belles Eaux) and ones
I do know (Mas Jullien, Ch. de Lancyre). Of no great surprise is that
the two top wines are brought in by Kermit Lynch and Louis/Dressner, and
of particular worry to Dale W will be their designation of the '04 Iche
'Les Heretiques' as a "Best Buy." So much for NYC stocks of it... ;-)

Here's the link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/07/dining/07wine.html

Mark Lipton

Hey, didn't I just post this? Anyway, you're right, I'm ****ed!

But I do think that Carignan is allowed in Cotes du Rhone, though not
in CdP.

Mike Tommasi wrote:
> DaleW wrote:
>
>> Hey, didn't I just post this? Anyway, you're right, I'm ****ed!
>>
>> But I do think that Carignan is allowed in Cotes du Rhone, though not
>> in CdP.
>>
>
> CdP, alias Chato9 = Grenache, Syrah, Mourvèdre, Cinsault, Muscardin,
> Counoise, Clairette, Bourboulenc, Picpoul, Roussanne, Terret Noir,
> Picardan, Vaccarese
>
> Put all that on a label... ;-)
>
And don't forget that "hidden" 14th cepage: Grenache blanc. Do you know
if Dale's right about Carignan in CdR?

Mark Lipton

DaleW wrote:

> Hey, didn't I just post this? Anyway, you're right, I'm ****ed!

I saw your post on WLDG while checking the update of the Katrina thread,
and tried to reply, but no joy: its buggy SQL code crapped out on me. I
really *hate* that forum software, for this and other reasons. And no
HTTP forum that I've yet seen matches newsreaders for intelligent
threading (grumble grumble). Hey, I may yet make "curmudgeon" if I keep
this up!
>
> But I do think that Carignan is allowed in Cotes du Rhone, though not
> in CdP.

Interesting point -- I'll check with my sources when I get the chance
(2006 perhaps)

Mark Lipton

On 7 Sep 2005 13:18:53 -0700, "DaleW" > wrote:

>But I do think that Carignan is allowed in Cotes du Rhone

CdR is typically Grenache, Carignan and Cinsault (max 30% Carignan)

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On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 22:26:49 +0100, Steve Slatcher > said:

] On 7 Sep 2005 13:18:53 -0700, "DaleW" > wrote:
]
] >But I do think that Carignan is allowed in Cotes du Rhone
]
] CdR is typically Grenache, Carignan and Cinsault (max 30% Carignan)
]

Hi,

I can certainly confirm that carignan is allowed to 30% max in generic
CdR, and 20% max in CdR villages, including for example Rasteau etc.
However in the ex-villages (e.g. Gigondas, Vacqueyras) it is not allowed.

Honestly I don't think it would be typical to find carignan in generic CdR.
I'm sure there are many examples either way.

-E
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Emery Davis wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 22:26:49 +0100, Steve Slatcher > said:
>
> ] On 7 Sep 2005 13:18:53 -0700, "DaleW" > wrote:
> ]
> ] >But I do think that Carignan is allowed in Cotes du Rhone
> ]
> ] CdR is typically Grenache, Carignan and Cinsault (max 30% Carignan)
> ]
>
> Hi,
>
> I can certainly confirm that carignan is allowed to 30% max in generic
> CdR, and 20% max in CdR villages, including for example Rasteau etc.
> However in the ex-villages (e.g. Gigondas, Vacqueyras) it is not allowed.
>
> Honestly I don't think it would be typical to find carignan in generic CdR.
> I'm sure there are many examples either way.

Thanks for the info, guys. I'll have to retract my criticism of Mr.
Asimov's fact checking.

Mark Lipton