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UC Davis study challenges classic wine-cheese pairings (Long)
Source: San Fransisco Chronicle
US Davis study challenges classic wine-cheese pairings (June 2005) For many people, a bottle of red wine and a platter of good cheese virtually guarantee pleasure ahead. But according to new research conducted at the University of California at Davis, that time-tested marriage may be on the skids. Graduate student Berenice Madrigal has spent the past year investigating what sound like the makings of a great party: eight red wines, eight cheeses and what happens when you serve them together. Thinking of purchasing a nice chunk of cheddar to show off a favorite red wine from your cellar? Madrigal's study, undertaken for her master's degree in viticulture and enology, suggests that you might want to reconsider that plan. "Our definition of a good pairing was that the two enhance each other," says Hildegarde Heymann, professor of sensory science in Davis' viticulture and enology department and Madrigal's adviser. "Our work shows this is probably not true very often." Madrigal, a petite, soft-spoken 27-year-old from Mexico City, has a degree in food chemistry from the National Autonomous University of Mexico and a fondness for cow's-milk Mimolette. But it was Heymann who steered Madrigal to cheese as a thesis topic, a continuation of the professor's research into the sensory analysis of wine with food. Cheese made a suitable subject for exploration because the department has no kitchen. To Heymann's surprise, few sensory scientists had analyzed the presumed affinity of wine and cheese. A review of the literature turned up almost nothing. A Swedish scientist, Tobias Nygren, had looked at white wine with blue cheese -- the cheese mutes white wine flavors, he found -- but no one apparently had looked methodically at the intersection of red wine and cheese. Madrigal's first task was to assemble and train a tasting panel, volunteers -- mostly fellow students -- who would be taught to recognize various attributes in wine and to use identical language in describing them. For two weeks, the tasters met every day to master the sensory meaning of 20 common wine descriptors from bell pepper and berry to astringent and bitter. Next they evaluated, tasting blind, the eight wines Madrigal had selected: two bottles each of Pinot Noir, Cabernet Sauvignon, Merlot and Syrah. In an effort to get wines of differing styles, Madrigal had chosen a low-priced and high-priced wine for each varietal pair. Tasters rated each sample on a 1-to- 10 scale for every attribute. Then Madrigal juggled the sample order and repeated the tasting twice to verify her tasters' consistency. Following an intensive day of research at Corti Brothers, the Sacramento fine-foods store, Madrigal settled on eight types: two hard cheeses (Emmental and Gruyere), two cheddars (from Vermont and New York), two soft cheeses (mozzarella and Teleme) and two blues (Gorgonzola and Stilton). Heymann had suggested limiting the samples to cow's milk cheeses so the analysis didn't get even more complicated. Over sessions that lasted three months, the same trained team of panelists -- six men and five women -- tasted each wine with each cheese, then scored the wines on the same 20 attributes they had evaluated before. Then Madrigal switched the tasting order, and the panelists repeated the task twice. Months of analysis later, Madrigal and Heymann had their results, captured in a flurry of colorful spider graphs and multidimensional plots that the average wine lover would be hard-pressed to decipher. But to cut to the chase, their conclusions may not sit well with wine and cheese fans. In virtually every case, cheese diminished everything the wine had to say. It muted both desirable traits like berry character and less desirable traits like astringency and bell pepper. It was an equal-opportunity silencer, exhibiting largely the same effect on each varietal, pricey and not. From mild Teleme to pungent Gorgonzola, the cheeses made every wine taste less oaky, less berry-like, less sour. The two blues had slightly more impact on the wines than the two soft cheeses, but the differences were insignificant for almost every trait. "The popular press tells us it should have gone the other way," says Heymann, meaning that cheese would enhance the wines. "We would have assumed that for at least one cheese and one wine, we would have a hit." The one attribute that cheese seemed to accentuate in red wine was butteriness, a quality more often associated with malolactic Chardonnays than with reds. But with every other wine trait, cheese of every sort activated the mute button, a result Heymann can't easily explain. "The decrease of astringency makes sense because you have a coating of the palate (with cheese)," says the professor. "All you need is a coating between the mucous membranes and astringent compounds and you diminish astringency. That is the one effect I would say is a real effect." The other outcomes -- that cheese diminished fruitiness, oakiness or spiciness -- may be what Heymann call a cognitive effect. In other words, it's in our heads. We expect that result, so we find that result. Although she hasn't devised a way to tease apart the impact of cognition, or expectation, she suspects it's at the root of many vaunted wine-and-cheese marriages. "My 'take home' is, you shouldn't worry about which wine you have with which cheese," says Heymann. "Have the wine you love with the cheese you love. " If most cheeses affect most red wines in a similar way, by turning down the volume, it may be pointless to keep looking for a match that soars. Daniel Baron, winemaker at Silver Oak Wine Cellars in Oakville, says his extensive if informal research doesn't support the UC Davis team's conclusions. A cheese enthusiast, Baron says he has invested a lot of time hunting for cheeses that would complement his famed Cabernet Sauvignons. "It's been a long journey," says the winemaker, "but in my experience, the old rules of wine and cheese pairing hold true." For him, that means no blue cheese ("It really brings out the bitterness in a red wine"), no triple-cream cheeses ("iffy") and a distinct preference for well-aged cow's and sheep's milk cheeses such as aged Gouda, Vella Dry Jack and Manchego -- cheeses that he finds not just tolerable with his wine but flattering. Other tasters who, like Baron, have experienced a ghastly clash between dry red wine and pungent blue cheese may suspect that something physiological is to blame. As for the utter rightness on the tongue of Vella Dry Jack and Silver Oak Cabernet -- how does Heymann explain that? "There's that saying, 'Perception is reality,' " says the professor. "If you perceive that the wine is better with the cheese, then it is. What's happening in your head is no less real than what's happening on your palate, but it's probably different." |
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st.helier wrote:
> Source: San Fransisco Chronicle what on Earth possessed you to read the Comical...er...Chronicle, milud? Do you not recall Tom Lehrer's quip at the 'Hungry I'? ("There was a Presidential primary recently...but you may have missed it in the local papers since it occurred during baseball season") > "Our definition of a good pairing was that the two enhance each other," says > Hildegarde Heymann, professor of sensory science in Davis' viticulture and > enology department and Madrigal's adviser. "Our work shows this is probably > not true very often." And in other shocking news, the sun rose in the East this morning ;-) > Next they evaluated, tasting blind, the eight wines Madrigal had selected: > two bottles each of Pinot Noir, Cabernet Sauvignon, Merlot and Syrah. In an > effort to get wines of differing styles, Madrigal had chosen a low-priced > and high-priced wine for each varietal pair. Tasters rated each sample on a > 1-to- 10 scale for every attribute. Then Madrigal juggled the sample order > and repeated the tasting twice to verify her tasters' consistency. > > Following an intensive day of research at Corti Brothers, the Sacramento > fine-foods store, Madrigal settled on eight types: two hard cheeses > (Emmental and Gruyere), two cheddars (from Vermont and New York), two soft > cheeses (mozzarella and Teleme) and two blues (Gorgonzola and Stilton). > Heymann had suggested limiting the samples to cow's milk cheeses so the > analysis didn't get even more complicated. > I can't help wondering where the red wines were produced. If they all came from CA, one might question whether some European red wines with higher acidity might not have performed differently in their study. It's also revealing that they don't consider Cheddar to be a hard cheese (then again, neither of their Cheddars came from Cheddar). Interesting read nonetheless, milud. Thanks! Back to proposal writing, Mark Lipton |
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:39:34 +1200, "st.helier"
> wrote: >In virtually every case, cheese diminished everything the wine had to say. >It muted both desirable traits like berry character and less desirable >traits like astringency and bell pepper. I suspect this is the key to the origin of the popular idea that cheese and wine go together. Most wine is cheap, and when the Old World dominated production a lot of this cheap wine was nasty. For this reason cheese often helped make the wine more acceptable. Beyond that, I am not sure I know any wine authority that would make the blanket statement that red wine goes with cheese. There are of course particular wine and cheese combo recommendations, like port and stilton, which did not figure in the study. Interesting stuff though. -- Steve Slatcher http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher |
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As others stated, nothing shocking there. Reds are harder to match than
whites, and in any case random matching seldom enhance both. If I had to pick one cheese to match red wine, it would be aged Gouda, followed by aged Parmigiano, mature Pecorino, aged Cheddar, or Mimolette. See a pattern? I find their methodology funny, at least as reported. At UC-Davis, to ensure a variance of style, they choose 2 different price levels? As Mark said, sounds like they choose CA wines (if they were choosing by varietal labels). BTW, I think of myself as a cheese guy, yet I've never knowingly eaten anything called Teleme. |
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"st.helier" > wrote in message ... > Source: San Fransisco Chronicle > > To Heymann's surprise, few sensory scientists had analyzed the presumed > affinity of wine and cheese. A review of the literature turned up almost > nothing. A Swedish scientist, Tobias Nygren, had looked at white wine with > blue cheese -- the cheese mutes white wine flavors, he found -- but no one > apparently had looked methodically at the intersection of red wine and > cheese. > Odd to leave out whites altogether--my two favorite cheese/wine combos are fresh goat cheese with Sauvignon Blanc, and late harvest Riesling with blues. |
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"DaleW" > skrev i melding oups.com... > > BTW, I think of myself as a cheese guy, yet I've never knowingly eaten > anything called Teleme. > Hi Dale :-) Google is useful, did ya know? Teleme cheese Definition: [TEHL-uh-may] Available mainly in northern California, Teleme cheese is similar in texture to domestic brie. It contains about 50 percent milk fat and has a pronounced tangy flavor. When young, Teleme's texture is soft and creamy. As it ages, it becomes runnier and stronger in flavor. See also cheese. |
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"cutecat" > skrev i melding link.net... > ... and late harvest Riesling with blues. Satchmo? ;-) Anders |
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Wine and cheese are not usually a good pair? Some of us have known this
for a long, long time. How clever of you to point out the obvious. st.helier wrote: > Source: San Fransisco Chronicle > > US Davis study challenges classic wine-cheese pairings (June 2005) > > For many people, a bottle of red wine and a platter of good cheese virtually > guarantee pleasure ahead. But according to new research conducted at the > University of California at Davis, that time-tested marriage may be on the > skids. > > Graduate student Berenice Madrigal has spent the past year investigating > what sound like the makings of a great party: eight red wines, eight cheeses > and what happens when you serve them together. > > Thinking of purchasing a nice chunk of cheddar to show off a favorite red > wine from your cellar? Madrigal's study, undertaken for her master's degree > in viticulture and enology, suggests that you might want to reconsider that > plan. > > "Our definition of a good pairing was that the two enhance each other," says > Hildegarde Heymann, professor of sensory science in Davis' viticulture and > enology department and Madrigal's adviser. "Our work shows this is probably > not true very often." > > Madrigal, a petite, soft-spoken 27-year-old from Mexico City, has a degree > in food chemistry from the National Autonomous University of Mexico and a > fondness for cow's-milk Mimolette. But it was Heymann who steered Madrigal > to cheese as a thesis topic, a continuation of the professor's research into > the sensory analysis of wine with food. Cheese made a suitable subject for > exploration because the department has no kitchen. > > To Heymann's surprise, few sensory scientists had analyzed the presumed > affinity of wine and cheese. A review of the literature turned up almost > nothing. A Swedish scientist, Tobias Nygren, had looked at white wine with > blue cheese -- the cheese mutes white wine flavors, he found -- but no one > apparently had looked methodically at the intersection of red wine and > cheese. > > Madrigal's first task was to assemble and train a tasting panel, > volunteers -- mostly fellow students -- who would be taught to recognize > various attributes in wine and to use identical language in describing them. > For two weeks, the tasters met every day to master the sensory meaning of 20 > common wine descriptors from bell pepper and berry to astringent and bitter. > > Next they evaluated, tasting blind, the eight wines Madrigal had selected: > two bottles each of Pinot Noir, Cabernet Sauvignon, Merlot and Syrah. In an > effort to get wines of differing styles, Madrigal had chosen a low-priced > and high-priced wine for each varietal pair. Tasters rated each sample on a > 1-to- 10 scale for every attribute. Then Madrigal juggled the sample order > and repeated the tasting twice to verify her tasters' consistency. > > Following an intensive day of research at Corti Brothers, the Sacramento > fine-foods store, Madrigal settled on eight types: two hard cheeses > (Emmental and Gruyere), two cheddars (from Vermont and New York), two soft > cheeses (mozzarella and Teleme) and two blues (Gorgonzola and Stilton). > Heymann had suggested limiting the samples to cow's milk cheeses so the > analysis didn't get even more complicated. > > Over sessions that lasted three months, the same trained team of > panelists -- six men and five women -- tasted each wine with each cheese, > then scored the wines on the same 20 attributes they had evaluated before. > Then Madrigal switched the tasting order, and the panelists repeated the > task twice. > > Months of analysis later, Madrigal and Heymann had their results, captured > in a flurry of colorful spider graphs and multidimensional plots that the > average wine lover would be hard-pressed to decipher. But to cut to the > chase, their conclusions may not sit well with wine and cheese fans. > > In virtually every case, cheese diminished everything the wine had to say. > It muted both desirable traits like berry character and less desirable > traits like astringency and bell pepper. It was an equal-opportunity > silencer, exhibiting largely the same effect on each varietal, pricey and > not. > > From mild Teleme to pungent Gorgonzola, the cheeses made every wine taste > less oaky, less berry-like, less sour. The two blues had slightly more > impact on the wines than the two soft cheeses, but the differences were > insignificant for almost every trait. > > "The popular press tells us it should have gone the other way," says > Heymann, meaning that cheese would enhance the wines. "We would have assumed > that for at least one cheese and one wine, we would have a hit." > > The one attribute that cheese seemed to accentuate in red wine was > butteriness, a quality more often associated with malolactic Chardonnays > than with reds. But with every other wine trait, cheese of every sort > activated the mute button, a result Heymann can't easily explain. > > "The decrease of astringency makes sense because you have a coating of the > palate (with cheese)," says the professor. "All you need is a coating > between the mucous membranes and astringent compounds and you diminish > astringency. That is the one effect I would say is a real effect." > > The other outcomes -- that cheese diminished fruitiness, oakiness or > spiciness -- may be what Heymann call a cognitive effect. In other words, > it's in our heads. We expect that result, so we find that result. Although > she hasn't devised a way to tease apart the impact of cognition, or > expectation, she suspects it's at the root of many vaunted wine-and-cheese > marriages. > > "My 'take home' is, you shouldn't worry about which wine you have with which > cheese," says Heymann. "Have the wine you love with the cheese you love. " > If most cheeses affect most red wines in a similar way, by turning down the > volume, it may be pointless to keep looking for a match that soars. > > Daniel Baron, winemaker at Silver Oak Wine Cellars in Oakville, says his > extensive if informal research doesn't support the UC Davis team's > conclusions. A cheese enthusiast, Baron says he has invested a lot of time > hunting for cheeses that would complement his famed Cabernet Sauvignons. > > "It's been a long journey," says the winemaker, "but in my experience, the > old rules of wine and cheese pairing hold true." > > For him, that means no blue cheese ("It really brings out the bitterness in > a red wine"), no triple-cream cheeses ("iffy") and a distinct preference for > well-aged cow's and sheep's milk cheeses such as aged Gouda, Vella Dry Jack > and Manchego -- cheeses that he finds not just tolerable with his wine but > flattering. > > Other tasters who, like Baron, have experienced a ghastly clash between dry > red wine and pungent blue cheese may suspect that something physiological is > to blame. As for the utter rightness on the tongue of Vella Dry Jack and > Silver Oak Cabernet -- how does Heymann explain that? > > "There's that saying, 'Perception is reality,' " says the professor. "If you > perceive that the wine is better with the cheese, then it is. What's > happening in your head is no less real than what's happening on your palate, > but it's probably different." |
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