Another interesting article this week in Epicure the food & drink lift
out in Melbournes Age

http://www.theage.com.au/news/Epicur.../111730553452=
8=2Ehtml


The Australian wine industry could become a victim of its own
successful marketing. By Felicity Carter.

Remember when Monty Python made jokes about Chateau Chunder? When the
words "Australian wine" were code for "undrinkable"? Critics don't make
fun of us any more. These days, they stick the knife in.

"Where is the excitement that Australia used to provide?" wrote English
wine correspondent Tim Atkins recently in The Observer.

"At the lower end of the market, Aussie wines are in danger of becoming
the new liebfraumilch: bland, confected and boring. Our retail shelves
are dominated by virtually interchangeable brands, most of which are
overpriced."

Or this: "It's time for the Australian wine industry to wake up and
smell the bad wine," from Dorothy J. Gaiter and John Brecher in The
Wall Street Journal.

"We bring a huge amount of goodwill toward these wines, which in many
cases are old friends. But they have gone downhill, and fast."

Does it matter what wine critics think? A stroll through the average
American wine store reveals aisles crammed with Yellow Tail, while six
of the top 10 wines in the UK are Australian.

Advertisement
AdvertisementHazel Murphy, the former CEO of the Australian Wine Bureau
in London, says Australia should not only worry about what critics are
saying, but also about what they're not saying.

"It's not just the negative comments from English critics," she says.
"Some aren't mentioning Australian wines at all any more."

Murphy is credited with introducing Australian wines to the UK. She
says Australia is now in the position France was when Australia came
along. The French ignored the critics.

"Look what happened to them. It's not at crisis point yet, but
Australia has to listen."

In the spirit of listening, The Age rang Tim Atkins. Despite his
stinging words, he likes Australian wines - some of them, anyway.

"I'm a child of the Australian revolution," he says. "When I came into
wine writing there was an unspoken assumption that France was the best.
Australia broke up that cosy assumption."

Although Atkins wants it known he admires wines such as Penfolds and
Peter Lehmann, he says he's hearing complaints about Australian wines.

"The big companies are producing some pretty awful wines," he says.

"Australia doesn't produce faulty wines, but it's the blandness which
is almost depressing. In the under-=A37 ($A17) market, individuality has
almost disappeared."

Petaluma winemaker Brian Croser has long warned that Australia is
pigeonholing itself as the producer of interchangeable commercial
wines.

"We used to be a country that overdelivered on price points," he says.

"But it's not based on quality any more."

"I dispute that," says Stephen Strachan, chief executive of the
Winemakers Federation.

"I think the quality is better than it was last year. It's an area
where the industry is continuously improving and where Australia is a
world-beater."

What about the criticisms that commercial wines are losing their
individuality? Industry stalwart Len Evans says homogeneity is almost
inevitable in a highly competitive market that's pumping out large
volumes of wines at the same price point.

"An irrigation chardonnay is an irrigation chardonnay," he says.

"But they're very good value for money, and that's the success of
brands."

Australia's ability to build reliable, value-for-money brands created
its export success in the first place.

Commercial brands kicked off a revolution by using simple labels on
bottles filled with reliable, pleasant wine. Brands took wine off the
top shelf and made it into a drink that everybody, not just a select
few, could enjoy.

But the brand impetus is now changing the very nature of wine. Take
Beringer Blass's new Cartwheel range, developed after the company
decided its portfolio needed some Margaret River wines.

The packaging is lively, the taste is pleasant and they're good value,
at under $20 a bottle. None of that happened by accident. The name
"Cartwheel" came out of market research, with consumers connecting the
word to fun.

The wines came out of research, too. Beringer Blass has a technologist
who analysed the taste preferences of consumer focus groups, developed
a biochemical profile and used it to create a recipe for the value-end
range. A winemaker was then flown from the Barossa to Margaret River to
make it.

Depending on how successful the brand becomes, Beringer Blass might
even build a Cartwheel winery. It's reverse-engineered wine, if you
like.

That's only the beginning. According to Jamie O'Dell, managing director
of Beringer Blass, the day is coming when some Australian brands won't
necessarily have Australian fruit in their bottle.

"Why wouldn't a brand like Yellow (a big-selling sparkling wine) be
made in France from French fruit, if it's sold in France?" he says.

The day of the virtual wine, that's not tied to place or person, has
arrived. Wine is now just another alcoholic beverage, interchangeable
with beer or spirits.

No surprises the most of the wine industry's big players are brewers
and distillers, such as Beringer Blass' parent company Foster's, or
Lion Nathan and Constellation. The wine landscape has also become a
homogenised place that's dominated by big players, and will become more
so once Foster's has absorbed Southcorp.

There will be more corporatisation of wine, more marketing, more focus
groups and less individuality. Not only that, but the big companies
have a presence in multiple markets, leading to a cross-fertilisation
of marketing and winemaking techniques. Globalisation is making wine
across the world more homogeneous.

And here's the thing. If a country like Chile can produce the same type
of wine at a lower cost, they could erode Australia's market share.

There is a way out.

"There hasn't been, in my mind, nearly enough emphasis on premium
Australian wine," says O'Dell.

"We have very differentiated regions which we're proud of. Coonawarra,
Margaret River, the Hunter Valley. Correctly marketed, they could
become iconic in their type."

O'Dell says Foster's wants Southcorp for its premium wine portfolio. It
makes sense.

The way to keep people buying your cheaper products is, paradoxically
enough, to offer them more expensive ones, because the high end adds
lustre to the lower end. Penfolds' Koonunga Hill range has credibility
from being part of the same stable as Penfolds Grange.

"We need to show that Australia is different because it makes great
wines which have real character," says Croser.

"The production that goes into the improvement of fine wine trickles
down to the improvement of commodity wine."

Australia does, of course, have many fine wines that are already in
high demand. Auction house Langton's will unveil the updated
Classification of Australian Wine at Christie's in London in July.

The Classification is Australia's unofficial honour roll, and director
Andrew Caillard says 11 more wines have made it to the "exceptional"
category.

The Australian Wine Export Council has also just launched an
international marketing initiative aimed at telling the world how
distinctive Australian wines are.

The timing couldn't be better. As figures released by the Australian
Winemakers Federation show, Australia hasn't done a good job of telling
its fine wine story.

While export sales of bulk wine and popular wine have risen
dramatically in four years, sales in the $10 and above category haven't
budged. At the top end, people still want French and Italian wines.

The big companies recognise the challenge. Orlando Wyndham now offers a
Reserve range of Jacob's Creek and is looking to develop a
super-premium offering.

That's to ensure that when wine consumers trade up, they keep reaching
for Jacob's Creek.

Beringer's O'Dell is not averse to using taste technology to create a
luxury wine. "There's a case for us understanding more about consumer
taste," he says.

"It sounds like a test tube, but it's not. It's understanding the taste
profile that people want and then making it through the choice of
vineyards and the way you process it."

But can a blatantly commercial approach to creating brands work at the
luxury end of the market? Great wine - like great art - has
historically been an expression of individuality, not consumer
research.

In the end, the job of creating great wine will probably come down to
individuals like Rick Kinzbrunner of Giaconda. In 1980 Kinzbrunner
bought a vineyard at Beechworth. He didn't have much cash and held down
a part-time job while digging holes and grafting vines.

"It took a good 10 vintages before I got recognition," he says.

And now? Although Giaconda only produces about 2500 cases a year, wine
buffs around the world will travel to Australia to find them. "Wine
people are interested," Kinzbrunner says.

"They travel a lot and talk a lot, and the word can spread."

Giaconda isn't about to produce any more. "You lose your attention to
detail and lose your wine quality," he says

Kinzbrunner believes wine reflects the personality of the person who
made it, and talks about a recent trip to Burgundy.

"One winemaker was loud and extroverted; one was intelligent and quiet
and withdrawn, but a complex character underneath it; and one was
really technical, with lots of shiny machines."

He says the wines of the first were big and bold; the wines of the
second took time to open up, but were interesting when they did; while
the third were modern. Kinzbrunner is clear that if a winemaker has the
courage to combine traditional methods with uncompromising attention to
detail, the world will beat a path to the winery door.

"Someone who can produce exceptional wines won't find it all that
hard," he says.

There are signs that other Kinzbrunners are emerging. Harvey Steiman,
the editor-at-large of the American Wine Spectator, says he already
sees more winemakers looking to make exceptional wines.

"In Australia there's an impetus from small wineries who already have a
vineyard," he says. "They've been selling their grapes to Southcorp and
now they're saying, 'Dammit! Let's make some wines ourselves'."

Steiman thinks it's a healthy impulse. "I think in five years there
will be a shortage of fine wine from Australia," he says.

What does this all mean for the wine drinker - sorry, consumer? There's
a chance, if we play our cards right, that Australia might undergo a
fine wine renaissance, with better, more distinctive wines appearing.
Of course, commercialism works at the top end as well, so prices will
rise.

And at the commercial end? More of the same. Much more.

"Andrew Goldfinch" reproduced a very interesting article......

> Take Beringer Blass's new Cartwheel range, developed after the
> company decided its portfolio needed some Margaret River wines.

> The packaging is lively, the taste is pleasant and they're good value,
> at under $20 a bottle. None of that happened by accident. The
> name "Cartwheel" came out of market research, with consumers
> connecting the word to fun.

> The wines came out of research, too. Beringer Blass has a technologist
> who analysed the taste preferences of consumer focus groups,
> developed a biochemical profile and used it to create a recipe for the
> value-end range. A winemaker was then flown from the Barossa to
> Margaret River to make it.

> Depending on how successful the brand becomes, Beringer Blass
> might even build a Cartwheel winery.

> It's reverse-engineered wine, if you like.

Exactly the same thing is happening here in New Zealand with our largest
winery Allied Domecq.

I have lost count of the number of "brands" and "labels" they are producing
under - here are a few (I have ommitted a large number of cheap and nasty
lower end "stuff" which I refuse to call wine!)

Their "Icon" Range
Tom (One wine, Hawkes Bay Cabernet/Merlot)
Virtu (One wine, Hawkes Bay Noble Sémillon)

Their "Super Premium" Range
Church Road (Three sub-ranges; ten wines)
Cottage Block (Four wines)
Stoneleigh (Two sub ranges; eleven wines)
Huntaway (Four wines)
Montana Estates (Six wines)*
Montana Reserve (Eight wines)*
Triplebank (Four wines)

Their "premium" Range
Bensen Block (Five Wines)
Boundary Vineyards (Three wines)
Saints (Seven Wines)
Montana Classic (Twelve Wines)*

Their "Value" Range
Five Flax
Timara
Robard & Butler
Jackman Ridge
Corbans White Label

Their "On-Premise" (Restaurant only) Range
Copperfields
Riverlands

Their "Sparkling" Range
Deutz Marlborough (Partnership with Deutz champagne) (Three wines)
Lindauer (Brut; Sec; Rosé; Special Reserve; Special Reserve BdeB; GRandeur)
Verde

*Marketed under the Brancott label in the USA

OK not all are exported - some are just designed to further fragment the NZ
market, to put the squeeze on smaller boutique vineyards, who lack the huge
marketing budget which A-D can put behind these labels.

But frankly having the exact same wine available under half a dozen
different labels sucks.

However, Caveat Emptor I suppose.

--

st.helier

I find it quite interesting that Australia (very broadly speaking) has,
over the last 50 years, had it's quality wines driven predominantly by
the large company's (Penfolds, Yalumba, Wynns etc.) This has created a
flow on effect into smaller producers who are now the ones driving the
quality (Kalleske, Torbreck, Rusden, Greenock Creek, Giaconda,
Kilkanoon etc.) Whilst the large producers are concentrating more on
producing high volumes of clean, simple wines which to most people
outside this country represent the Australian wine industry.

Is whore spelled the same way in NZ as it here in the US? m-o-n-o-p-o-l-y.
"st.helier" > wrote in message
...
> "Andrew Goldfinch" reproduced a very interesting article......
>
> > Take Beringer Blass's new Cartwheel range, developed after the
> > company decided its portfolio needed some Margaret River wines.
>
> > The packaging is lively, the taste is pleasant and they're good value,
> > at under $20 a bottle. None of that happened by accident. The
> > name "Cartwheel" came out of market research, with consumers
> > connecting the word to fun.
>
> > The wines came out of research, too. Beringer Blass has a technologist
> > who analysed the taste preferences of consumer focus groups,
> > developed a biochemical profile and used it to create a recipe for the
> > value-end range. A winemaker was then flown from the Barossa to
> > Margaret River to make it.
>
> > Depending on how successful the brand becomes, Beringer Blass
> > might even build a Cartwheel winery.
>
> > It's reverse-engineered wine, if you like.
>
> Exactly the same thing is happening here in New Zealand with our largest
> winery Allied Domecq.
>
> I have lost count of the number of "brands" and "labels" they are
producing
> under - here are a few (I have ommitted a large number of cheap and nasty
> lower end "stuff" which I refuse to call wine!)
>
> Their "Icon" Range
> Tom (One wine, Hawkes Bay Cabernet/Merlot)
> Virtu (One wine, Hawkes Bay Noble Sémillon)
>
> Their "Super Premium" Range
> Church Road (Three sub-ranges; ten wines)
> Cottage Block (Four wines)
> Stoneleigh (Two sub ranges; eleven wines)
> Huntaway (Four wines)
> Montana Estates (Six wines)*
> Montana Reserve (Eight wines)*
> Triplebank (Four wines)
>
> Their "premium" Range
> Bensen Block (Five Wines)
> Boundary Vineyards (Three wines)
> Saints (Seven Wines)
> Montana Classic (Twelve Wines)*
>
> Their "Value" Range
> Five Flax
> Timara
> Robard & Butler
> Jackman Ridge
> Corbans White Label
>
> Their "On-Premise" (Restaurant only) Range
> Copperfields
> Riverlands
>
> Their "Sparkling" Range
> Deutz Marlborough (Partnership with Deutz champagne) (Three wines)
> Lindauer (Brut; Sec; Rosé; Special Reserve; Special Reserve BdeB;
GRandeur)
> Verde
>
> *Marketed under the Brancott label in the USA
>
> OK not all are exported - some are just designed to further fragment the
NZ
> market, to put the squeeze on smaller boutique vineyards, who lack the
huge
> marketing budget which A-D can put behind these labels.
>
> But frankly having the exact same wine available under half a dozen
> different labels sucks.
>
> However, Caveat Emptor I suppose.
>
> --
>
> st.helier
>
>

Salut/Hi Joseph B. Rosenberg,

le/on Tue, 31 May 2005 03:07:40 -0400, tu disais/you said:-

>Is whore spelled the same way in NZ as it here in the US? m-o-n-o-p-o-l-y.

I say, old chap, everyone knows it's spelt H O A R E.

Bit of a cheek, these colonials, what?


--
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

Hi Andrew,

We know that the wine we get from Austrailia is the Coca Cola of wine.
Large mass produced bottlings.

For the people that drink if everyday however it is as good a wine for the
money that can be found. We really have nothing to compete in that
price/quality range here.

The beginnings might be similar to Gallo, Taylor, Seghasio wines that were
the jug producers in the USA. Gallo and Taylor (Now Constellation) are the
largest in the business.

It Austrailia wants to upgrade their selection and concentrate on qulaity
wines at better than Napa pricing...they can.

"Andrew Goldfinch" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>I find it quite interesting that Australia (very broadly speaking) has,
> over the last 50 years, had it's quality wines driven predominantly by
> the large company's (Penfolds, Yalumba, Wynns etc.) This has created a
> flow on effect into smaller producers who are now the ones driving the
> quality (Kalleske, Torbreck, Rusden, Greenock Creek, Giaconda,
> Kilkanoon etc.) Whilst the large producers are concentrating more on
> producing high volumes of clean, simple wines which to most people
> outside this country represent the Australian wine industry.
>

"Ian Hoare" > wrote in message
news
>
> Salut/Hi Joseph B. Rosenberg,
>
> le/on Tue, 31 May 2005 03:07:40 -0400, tu disais/you said:-
>
>>Is whore spelled the same way in NZ as it here in the US? m-o-n-o-p-o-l-y.
>
> I say, old chap, everyone knows it's spelt H O A R E.
>
> Bit of a cheek, these colonials, what?

LOL! Ian, you are an old goof. How does Jacqui _stand_ you? ;^D

Tom S

Salut/Hi Tom S,

le/on Wed, 01 Jun 2005 05:37:26 GMT, tu disais/you said:-

>> Bit of a cheek, these colonials, what?
>
>LOL! Ian, you are an old goof. How does Jacqui _stand_ you? ;^D

Who? I don't know anyone called Jacqui.

My wife "Jacquie" (note spelling well) is deaf and nearly blind without her
glasses, so she simply takes off her prostheses and doesn't notice me.
--
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Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

Ian Hoare > wrote:

> ... (note spelling well) ... prostheses ...

My dictionary knows only "prosthesis"?

M.

Mike Tommasi > wrote:

>>> ... prostheses ...

>> My dictionary knows only "prosthesis"?

> Plural Michael, plural.

Ooops - of course. I should have taken the real dictionary and not
rely on dict.leo.org, which normally is quite reliable.

M.

Salut/Hi Michael Pronay,

le/on Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:54:31 +0200, tu disais/you said:-

>Ian Hoare > wrote:
>
>> ... (note spelling well) ... prostheses ...
>
>My dictionary knows only "prosthesis"?

tsk, bad dictionary, change the dictionary.

Thesis - Theses, moris - mores.

petard - hoist.

Grin!


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Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

In ,
Ian Hoare > typed:

> Salut/Hi Michael Pronay,
>
> le/on Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:54:31 +0200, tu disais/you said:-
>
>> Ian Hoare > wrote:
>>
>>> ... (note spelling well) ... prostheses ...
>>
>> My dictionary knows only "prosthesis"?
>
> tsk, bad dictionary, change the dictionary.
>
> Thesis - Theses, moris - mores.


Moris? None of my dictionaries gives any singular for "mores."
It's used in English only in the plural, but the Latin singular
was "mos," not "moris."

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"Joseph B. Rosenberg" wrote .................

> Is whore spelled the same way in NZ as it here in the US? m-o-n-o-p-o-l-y.

Hey Joe, Is that a glass of Monkey Bay SB in your hand????

Have just come across some rave reviews (in the US media of course) praising
a Monkey Bay Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/styl.../s_316174.html
http://www.badgerwest.com/monkeybay.shtml

And I just love some of the absolute garbage here...
http://finance.lycos.com/qc/news/sto..._B WR__BW5990

Even going so far as to state that Monkey Bay [geographically?] was part of
Cloudy Bay.

Of course, there is no such place as Monkey Bay in New Zealand - and
certainly no winery by that name!!!

(Talk about trading off Cloudy Bay [Wines] reputation!!!!!!!!)

This wine is actually Nobilo's basic Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc; marketed
under a US only label by Canandaigua Wine Company (Constellation Brands)

Yes, Joe, whore IS an international phenomena!

--

st.helier

Salut/Hi Ken Blake,

le/on Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:25:27 -0700, tu disais/you said:-


>> tsk, bad dictionary, change the dictionary.
>>
>> Thesis - Theses, moris - mores.
>
>
>Moris? None of my dictionaries gives any singular for "mores."
>It's used in English only in the plural, but the Latin singular
>was "mos," not "moris."

Grin!! the bitter bite! I was thinking of "memento moris".

--
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

st.helier wrote:
> "Joseph B. Rosenberg" wrote .................
>
>
>>Is whore spelled the same way in NZ as it here in the US? m-o-n-o-p-o-l-y.
>
>
> Hey Joe, Is that a glass of Monkey Bay SB in your hand????
>
> Have just come across some rave reviews (in the US media of course) praising
> a Monkey Bay Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc
> http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/styl.../s_316174.html
> http://www.badgerwest.com/monkeybay.shtml
>
> And I just love some of the absolute garbage here...
> http://finance.lycos.com/qc/news/sto..._B WR__BW5990
>

Milud, do you knnow whose export label the Simian cove is? I've seen it
in stores around here and one friend at least likes it. By the by, did
you get an email from me earlier this year? If not, I'll have to
resend it to your work addy.

Mark Lipton

In ,
Mike Tommasi > typed:

> On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:25:27 -0700, "Ken Blake"
> > wrote:
>
>> In ,
>> Ian Hoare > typed:
>>
>>> Salut/Hi Michael Pronay,
>>>
>>> le/on Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:54:31 +0200, tu disais/you said:-
>>>
>>>> Ian Hoare > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ... (note spelling well) ... prostheses ...
>>>>
>>>> My dictionary knows only "prosthesis"?
>>>
>>> tsk, bad dictionary, change the dictionary.
>>>
>>> Thesis - Theses, moris - mores.
>>
>>
>> Moris? None of my dictionaries gives any singular for "mores."
>> It's used in English only in the plural, but the Latin
>> singular
>> was "mos," not "moris."
>
> And when you have low moral standards, I think that is known in
> latin
> as Morris Minor


LOL!


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In ,
Ian Hoare > typed:
> Salut/Hi Ken Blake,
>
> le/on Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:25:27 -0700, tu disais/you said:-
>
>
>>> tsk, bad dictionary, change the dictionary.
>>>
>>> Thesis - Theses, moris - mores.
>>
>>
>> Moris? None of my dictionaries gives any singular for "mores."
>> It's used in English only in the plural, but the Latin
>> singular
>> was "mos," not "moris."
>
> Grin!! the bitter bite! I was thinking of "memento moris".


Ian, I'm less sure of myself this time, but isn't that "memento
mori"?

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Please reply to the newsgroup

I can imagine the ad campaign. Closeup of a King Kong in a tux saying "I go
ape over Simian." Then Kong goes out and gives Fay Wray a good schtup!!
"Mark Lipton" > wrote in message
news:ygDne.2268$x96.1615@attbi_s72...
> st.helier wrote:
> > "Joseph B. Rosenberg" wrote .................
> >
> >
> >>Is whore spelled the same way in NZ as it here in the US?
m-o-n-o-p-o-l-y.
> >
> >
> > Hey Joe, Is that a glass of Monkey Bay SB in your hand????
> >
> > Have just come across some rave reviews (in the US media of course)
praising
> > a Monkey Bay Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc
> > http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/styl.../s_316174.html
> > http://www.badgerwest.com/monkeybay.shtml
> >
> > And I just love some of the absolute garbage here...
> >
http://finance.lycos.com/qc/news/sto..._B WR__BW5990
> >
>
> Milud, do you knnow whose export label the Simian cove is? I've seen it
> in stores around here and one friend at least likes it. By the by, did
> you get an email from me earlier this year? If not, I'll have to
> resend it to your work addy.
>
> Mark Lipton

In ,
Mike Tommasi > typed:

> On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 09:12:12 -0700, "Ken Blake"
> > wrote:
>
>> In ,
>> Ian Hoare > typed:
>>> Salut/Hi Ken Blake,
>>>
>>> le/on Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:25:27 -0700, tu disais/you said:-
>>>
>>>
>>>>> tsk, bad dictionary, change the dictionary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thesis - Theses, moris - mores.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Moris? None of my dictionaries gives any singular for
>>>> "mores."
>>>> It's used in English only in the plural, but the Latin
>>>> singular
>>>> was "mos," not "moris."
>>>
>>> Grin!! the bitter bite! I was thinking of "memento moris".
>>
>>
>> Ian, I'm less sure of myself this time, but isn't that
>> "memento
>> mori"?
>
> It is. It means, "I cannot remember where I parked it"


LOL! Again!

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In news:,
Ken Blake > typed:

> In ,
> Ian Hoare > typed:

>> Salut/Hi Ken Blake,
>>
>> le/on Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:25:27 -0700, tu disais/you said:-
>>
>>
>>>> tsk, bad dictionary, change the dictionary.
>>>>
>>>> Thesis - Theses, moris - mores.
>>>
>>>
>>> Moris? None of my dictionaries gives any singular for
>>> "mores."
>>> It's used in English only in the plural, but the Latin
>>> singular
>>> was "mos," not "moris."
>>
>> Grin!! the bitter bite! I was thinking of "memento moris".
>
>
> Ian, I'm less sure of myself this time, but isn't that "memento
> mori"?


I'm replying to an old post of my own, but I just bought a bottle
of Bonny Doon Ca' del Solo today. It has a screw cap and it comes
with a little neck tag which reads "Memento Torqui." Underneath
it says "Remember to screw."


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In article >, lid.
domain says...
>
>In news:,
>Ken Blake > typed:
>
>> In ,
>> Ian Hoare > typed:
>
>>> Salut/Hi Ken Blake,
>>>
>>> le/on Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:25:27 -0700, tu disais/you said:-
>>>
>>>
>>>>> tsk, bad dictionary, change the dictionary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thesis - Theses, moris - mores.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Moris? None of my dictionaries gives any singular for
>>>> "mores."
>>>> It's used in English only in the plural, but the Latin
>>>> singular
>>>> was "mos," not "moris."
>>>
>>> Grin!! the bitter bite! I was thinking of "memento moris".
>>
>>
>> Ian, I'm less sure of myself this time, but isn't that "memento
>> mori"?
>
>
>I'm replying to an old post of my own, but I just bought a bottle
>of Bonny Doon Ca' del Solo today. It has a screw cap and it comes
>with a little neck tag which reads "Memento Torqui." Underneath
>it says "Remember to screw."
>
>
>--
>Ken Blake

Not a bad set of instructions. Now, get your mind out of the gutter, or the
bedroom, or where-ever! What I mean is that I almost ruined a foil-cutter,
when I went to work on a stelvin cap, not realizing that it was not just the
capsule!!!!!!!! Had THAT bottle had the caveat, I would still have my favorite
foil-cutter. After a few dozen turns, I took a good look, with my reading
glasses, and LO, a stelvin. Randall is ahead of the curve here, as I am SURE
that that is why he put the little neck tag on the bottle. ;-}

Hunt

In ,
Hunt > typed:

> In article >,
> lid. domain says...

>> I'm replying to an old post of my own, but I just bought a
>> bottle
>> of Bonny Doon Ca' del Solo today. It has a screw cap and it
>> comes
>> with a little neck tag which reads "Memento Torqui."
>> Underneath
>> it says "Remember to screw."
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ken Blake
>
> Not a bad set of instructions. Now, get your mind out of the
> gutter,
> or the bedroom, or where-ever! What I mean is that I almost
> ruined a
> foil-cutter, when I went to work on a stelvin cap, not
> realizing that
> it was not just the capsule!!!!!!!! Had THAT bottle had the
> caveat, I
> would still have my favorite foil-cutter.


I had a similar experience a while back. It was my first tangle
with a bottle with a stelvin closure. Not looking carefully and
not realizing there was anyything special about, I removed the
top of the capsule with my screwpull foil cutter. It came off
easily and neatly. Then, as I was about to remove the cork with
my screwpull corkscrew, I did a doubletake, aghast--they forgot
to put a cork in the bottle!

--
Ken Blake
Please reply to the newsgroup

"Ken Blake" > wrote in
:



>
>
> I had a similar experience a while back. It was my first tangle
> with a bottle with a stelvin closure. Not looking carefully and
> not realizing there was anyything special about, I removed the
> top of the capsule with my screwpull foil cutter. It came off
> easily and neatly. Then, as I was about to remove the cork with
> my screwpull corkscrew, I did a doubletake, aghast--they forgot
> to put a cork in the bottle!
>
At last I have discovered a problem with the screw closure. While flying to
Amsterdam 2 weeks ago the guy in the seat next to me was having trouble
opening his wine bottle. It seems that the screw part was turning but the
part that is supposed to give way didn't and we had a mini bottle of wine
which would not divest itself of its top. Thankfully the FA provided
another bottle and the day was saved.


--
Joseph Coulter
Cruises and Vacations
http://www.josephcoulter.com/

In article >,
says...
>
>"Ken Blake" > wrote in
:
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> I had a similar experience a while back. It was my first tangle
>> with a bottle with a stelvin closure. Not looking carefully and
>> not realizing there was anyything special about, I removed the
>> top of the capsule with my screwpull foil cutter. It came off
>> easily and neatly. Then, as I was about to remove the cork with
>> my screwpull corkscrew, I did a doubletake, aghast--they forgot
>> to put a cork in the bottle!
>>
>At last I have discovered a problem with the screw closure. While flying to
>Amsterdam 2 weeks ago the guy in the seat next to me was having trouble
>opening his wine bottle. It seems that the screw part was turning but the
>part that is supposed to give way didn't and we had a mini bottle of wine
>which would not divest itself of its top. Thankfully the FA provided
>another bottle and the day was saved.
>
>
>--
>Joseph Coulter
>Cruises and Vacations
>http://www.josephcoulter.com/

Depending on the contents of the bottle, this might be where I start gnawing!

Hunt

(Hunt) wrote in :


>
> Depending on the contents of the bottle, this might be where I start
> gnawing!
>
> Hunt
>
>
let us see, I brought a couple b ottl4es home, passable but not exciting,
Casa Mayor Cab S. from Colchagua Valley, Chile


--
Joseph Coulter
Cruises and Vacations
http://www.josephcoulter.com/

In article >,
says...
>
(Hunt) wrote in :
>
>
>>
>> Depending on the contents of the bottle, this might be where I start
>> gnawing!
>>
>> Hunt
>>
>>
>let us see, I brought a couple b ottl4es home, passable but not exciting,
>Casa Mayor Cab S. from Colchagua Valley, Chile
>
>
>--
>Joseph Coulter
>Cruises and Vacations
>http://www.josephcoulter.com/

Sorry, my dentist won't let me gnaw for Chilean wine. Now, before I get
lambasted for "dissing" Chilean wine, I have to say that I finally had a
bottle of Chilean Cab, that was worth the drink. The sommelier at Le Boudin
Blanc in Shepard's Market insisted that I taste it, after we had had a Bdx
discussion. I have to say that it was very nice - a first for me.
Unfortunately, I'd already done my share of damage on a btl of Chassagna and a
St. Emilion, so NOW, I cannot recall the producer - bummer. I should have
written the name down, but just knew that I'd recall this first. I've searched
the Internet for all Chilean Cab producers, and cannot find anything that
sounds right. It had a Bdx-style label, and it seems that it was Santa ______.
Oh well, now I won't automatically pass the Chilean wine tables at tastings.

Hunt

> Not a bad set of instructions. Now, get your mind out of the gutter, or the
> bedroom, or where-ever! What I mean is that I almost ruined a foil-cutter,
> when I went to work on a stelvin cap, not realizing that it was not just the
> capsule!!!!!!!! Had THAT bottle had the caveat, I would still have my favorite
> foil-cutter. After a few dozen turns, I took a good look, with my reading
> glasses, and LO, a stelvin. Randall is ahead of the curve here, as I am SURE
> that that is why he put the little neck tag on the bottle. ;-}
>
> Hunt

Don't feel bad, Hunt - I made a similar mistake the first time I tried
a Porto. Rookie mistake!!

Dan-O

(Hunt) wrote:

> It had a Bdx-style label, and it seems that it was Santa ______.

Santa Rita?

Something like this

<http://www.vinoteka.com.pl/vis/products/casareal.jpg>

or this

<http://www.bbt.be/images/interview/092004/CWT-santa-rita-2.jpg>?


Or Santa Digna:

<http://www.dreyfusashby.com/images/Torres/070504WOW.jpg>?


Anything rings?

M.

In article >, says...
>
(Hunt) wrote:
>
>> It had a Bdx-style label, and it seems that it was Santa ______.
>
>Santa Rita?
>
>Something like this
>
><http://www.vinoteka.com.pl/vis/products/casareal.jpg>
>
>or this
>
><http://www.bbt.be/images/interview/092004/CWT-santa-rita-2.jpg>?
>
>
>Or Santa Digna:
>
><http://www.dreyfusashby.com/images/Torres/070504WOW.jpg>?
>
>
>Anything rings?
>
>M.

Yes Michael,

I believe it is the Santa Rita. The simplicity of the name was what kept me
from writing it down. OTOH, at my age and state of advanced senility,
especially after a long evening with several bottles of wine, I should attempt
to either write EVERYTHING down, or have someone, less impaired, than I, do it
for me. Odd, that with all of the Googling that I did for Chilean Cab
producers, and the 100s of names/bottles/drawings/photographs, that I looked
at, I did not see this one. Maybe I just skimmed past it, and said, "hey, the
only reason that that name seems familiar is the Sant Rita Hills AVA (or sub-
AVA) in Central CA/US.

Thank you for your thoughts and efforts. It seems that this Cab was going for
about 25 BPS wholesale in London, and the restaurant had it for 45 BPS on the
list. I'll find it in the US, and hopefully in AZ. This will be the first
Chilean that I have actually purchased, with the exception of a half-case of
Casa Lapostole, Apalta, which got such favorable reviews, that I could not
help myself. Though I've done several wine dinners with the folk from
Lapostole, I had not been a fan of their wines, but took a chance on the
Apalta.

I appreciate your response,
Hunt

In article .com>,
says...
>
>> Not a bad set of instructions. Now, get your mind out of the gutter, or the
>> bedroom, or where-ever! What I mean is that I almost ruined a foil-cutter,
>> when I went to work on a stelvin cap, not realizing that it was not just
the
>> capsule!!!!!!!! Had THAT bottle had the caveat, I would still have my
favorite
>> foil-cutter. After a few dozen turns, I took a good look, with my reading
>> glasses, and LO, a stelvin. Randall is ahead of the curve here, as I am
SURE
>> that that is why he put the little neck tag on the bottle. ;-}
>>
>> Hunt
>
>Don't feel bad, Hunt - I made a similar mistake the first time I tried
>a Porto. Rookie mistake!!
>
>Dan-O

Ah, Porto. Those wiley folk up the Duoro can keep one guessing. I know that,
normally, a ruby/branded/etc. and a Tawny will have a T-cork and foil capsule,
while almost every Vintage will have a traditional cork. However, recently I
brought down a Tawny and a deep foil-cutter to offer up an afterdinner sip. To
my surprise, it had a regular cork. Off I trudged to get a corkscrew, while my
guests told ribald stories about me, in my absence....

Hunt

(Hunt) wrote:

> This will be the first Chilean that I have actually purchased,
> with the exception of a half-case of Casa Lapostole, Apalta,
> which got such favorable reviews, that I could not help myself.
> Though I've done several wine dinners with the folk from
> Lapostole, I had not been a fan of their wines, but took a
> chance on the Apalta.

Clos Apalta is really fine, made from exceptionally old ungrafted
rootstocks, from a vineyard originally planted around 1900. From
what I have tasted in Chile in 2002 and later here in Austria, one
of the top three Chilean wines I had, together with Montes'
"Folly" (syrah) and well-known Almaviva.

> I appreciate your response

You're welcome.

M.