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Ian Hoare wrote:
> Salut/Hi Reka, > > le/on Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:49:00 +0100, tu disais/you said:- > > >>I will be attending the World Orchid Congress in Dijon in March and the >>trip will include a wine tasting in Vougeot. Can anyone recommend good >>producers to try? > > > The great problem with the Clos Vougeot is its size. Because it's so big > (120 acres), it contains section that, were they not within the walls of the > clos, would never have been given Grand Cru status. And because it's in > Burgundy, there are something like 80 growers who own a bit. So some people > own a section in the best part and some in the lesser, but lump it together > to call it "Clos de Vougeot" perfectly legally. > > All that said, I don't know all the producers making worthy Clos Vougeot > wine. In her recent book on the area, Serena Sutcliffe recommends the > following producers (my choice). > > Domaine Robert Arnoux > Domaine Bertagna > Dom. René Engel > Dom. Jean Grivot > Dom Jean & Michel Gros > Dom Georges Mugneret-Gibourg > Dom des Varoilles > > Beware that this is a very inbred area, so you can get 4 families with the > same name, making wine that is wildly different in class. That's why I've > given the full names, when it matters. > > Be aware that most of these won't speak a word of English, and may very > probably have little wine (if any) to sell. You will need to make > appointments to visit as this isn't the Napa, where you can just drop in. > > > > Gee, guys, sorry I asked! I didn't know it would bring such an avalanche of reply (purposefully the singular form of the word!). Thank you, Ian, for the info. We will be visiting a winery, don't know which yet, but I am hoping I may find a good vinotheque for some quick buys. -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html |
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Salut/Hi Reka,
le/on Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:14:19 +0100, tu disais/you said:- >Ian Hoare wrote: >> The great problem with the Clos Vougeot is its size. [snip] >> Beware that this is a very inbred area, so you can get 4 families with the >> same name, making wine that is wildly different in class. That's why I've >> given the full names, when it matters. >> >> Be aware that most of these won't speak a word of English, and may very >> probably have little wine (if any) to sell. You will need to make >> appointments to visit as this isn't the Napa, where you can just drop in. >Gee, guys, sorry I asked! Don't apologise. It's not your fault that your post triggered that avalanche. Fortunately I have decent newsreading software so I was easily able to kill file him. >Thank you, Ian, for the info. We will be visiting a winery, don't know >which yet, but I am hoping I may find a good vinotheque for some quick buys. Be very wary of wine shops catering to tourists in the area. My experience of them is that they sell prestige names at astronomical prices. Buying good (and good value) Burgundy is not easy. Best is to go to a grower, taste and buy a few bottles if you like the wine. -- All the Best Ian Hoare http://www.souvigne.com mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website |
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Not long ago I spent time in Dijon (a town I'd only passed through before,
for the train; it has a reputation as a boring light-industrial suburban hub today) but the Old Town is different, with luck you will be near it, or can check it out. Some AFW regulars advised me before that visit, helpfully. Here is a tiny snapshot from the old town. Enjoy the visit! -- Max Hauser -------- [Dijon autumn 2004] Much of the old town here is ancient and re-built -- for example the ancient Cathedral of Ste. Bénigne -- "four times destroyed, four times rebuilt, by the sixth Century," declares the local account. Museum bulges with local history which is considerable and well documented, or at least big events are, in exquisitely illustrated bound manuscripts. Thus: "The lion of Burgundy defeats the wolf of Orléans who was seeking to sieze the crown of France." (I wonder what the Orléannaise version says, I bet it's different.) Most of these old books, at age 600, hold up better than books I bought 20 years ago though let us not forget they were handmade and much more expensive, even new, than any books I bought 20 years ago. This keyboard is demanding [I have to switch keyboards when I travel light and use local computers.] For the record, here are the rows without shift key: & é " ' ( - è _ ç à ) = a z e r t y u i o p ^ $ q s d f g h j k l m ù * w x c v b n , ; : ! This weekend the town is overrun with little music and song and dance troupes, mostly middle-aged or older, "en costumes médievaux," a grape-harvest-and-press festival. These groups spend some time singing etc. and a great deal of time enjoying the food and drink of the many outdoor cafés in the old town (a little singing and dancing can be strenuous, after all, and demands proper nourishment). The cobbled streets of the old town are beloved by skateboarders. |
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(More on Dijon old town, and Vougeot. From autumn 04.)
At 4, rue Musette, Dijon (a narrow street crowded with outdoor cafés and pedestrians) the bustling Moulin Bleu ("fermeture variable suivant la fréquentation," sound policy) may not be specific to Dijon ("Galettes Bretonnes" says the sign) but offers crêpes of many denominations and can turn out a memorable galette "forestière." That last adjective, if you know something of pan-European food traditions, even if you spoke no French, shouts "mushrooms." A vast crispy buckwheat crêpe with mushrooms persillade (sautéed lavishly with garlic and parsley) and cheese. With a little pitcher of the (slightly) hard house apple cider, it is very satisfying and of course, cheap. At the end of the same street, near the Notre Dame church, booksellers put out older volumes closely packed on street tables. I found what looked like a good 1860s biography of Talleyrand with reproductions of correspondence. Weighing the mass increase from adding a book to my small baggage, I deferred the decision, only to learn the next day (my last) to be a non-market day and the booksellers fermé. Local talk mentioned two "gastronomic" restaurants in Dijon. One being at the Hostellerie du Chapeau Rouge (5 rue Michelet, right in the old town, tel. 03 80 50 88 88) and the other not. The other is the Restaurant Stéphane Derbord (10, place Wilson, tel. 03 80 67 74 64). I had time only to try one, the Chapeau Rouge, which served a leisurely "tasting" menu -- part traditional, part novel -- with skillful sommelier advice and local labels. (And not only was I short of time for dinners but that one finished a very long day including also breakfast at San Francisco and lunch at a station restaurant in Paris, so my impressions of it rely on my notes at the time.) By the way, a point about restaurant wine lists in Burgundy for anyone unfamiliar. Vintage dates tend to go back very few years -- 2000 for example, being the recent lightish vintage in reds, was generally the only one for current drinking, on restaurant lists -- and bringing bottles into restaurants is largely unheard-of, some day I must find out the story on that though it may be, like many things in Burgundy, simply custom, which runs deep. Re Vougeot: "The wine of the Clos was sent to the Popes in their exile in Avignon, and Petrarch said that it was this that made them so reluctant to end the schism and return to Rome! One abbot, already mentioned, sent thirty hogsheads to Pope Gregory XI, and four years later -- Vougeot, even then, took some time to develop -- was made a cardinal." (Yoxall, ISBN 0140462007 or 0812860918). At the 16th-century Chteau de Clos Vougeot, a well-known wine-promotion and gastronomic organization operates a cooking school that serves the banquets there, some of them highly ceremonious and lasting half the night, and generally for 600. (Recipe for Oeufs en Meurette: "Take 1200 eggs ...") -- Max Hauser |
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Reka wrote:
> I will be attending the World Orchid Congress in Dijon in March and the > trip will include a wine tasting in Vougeot. Can anyone recommend good > producers to try? > > Thanks, Hey Reka. I've heard that there are some good farmhouse and local mustards in the region. |
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potatoman wrote:
> Reka wrote: > >> I will be attending the World Orchid Congress in Dijon in March and >> the trip will include a wine tasting in Vougeot. Can anyone recommend >> good producers to try? >> >> Thanks, > > > Hey Reka. > I've heard that there are some good farmhouse and local mustards in the > region. > Thanks, potatoman. I caught the drift already. :-Þ -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html |
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Young Martle > wrote in
: > On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:33:53 +0100, Mike Tommasi > > wrote: > >>On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:04:07 +0100, Ian Hoare > >>wrote: >> >>>Don't apologise. It's not your fault that your post triggered that >>>avalanche. Fortunately I have decent newsreading software so I was >>>easily able to kill file him. >> >>Hi Ian >> >>I am trying to killfile this guy with Agent, but his email changes at >>every post... how do you do it? >> > > > Edit FILTER EXPRESSION to read just . . . "Author: Tregaque" > thank you thank you thank you. life is good with one click I eliminated at least 6 obnoxious posts! |
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