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TN: Gruner and Savennieres from so-so vintages
Monday Betsy was away till right before dinner, but craftily had stashed a pork
shoulder and caramelized onions with some cider in a dutch oven, and left the oven on. We all arrived home at same time, I did some braised arugala and some green beans with anchovy and garlic, and within 20 minutes we were eating. I opened the 2003 Kartäuser Grüner Veltliner (Wachau). A little pea, a little white pepper, this was definitely GV. But a little on the dilute side, and a bit softer as far as acidity than my preference (I attribute the former to the producer, previously unknown to me, and the latter to the vintage). Decent QPR at $11, but not something to seek out. B/B- Tonight was another timing challenge, this time for getting finished. I picked up David after a school event and got him home 25 minutes before his math tutor was coming, Betsy was ready to put dinner on table. Cod in a lemon/white wine/herb sauce, I grabbed the one bottle that was upstairs (in the fridge), the 2000 Ch. d'Epiré "Cuvée Speciale Savennières (is there a cuvée regular? Every Epiré I've ever seen was special). Too cold to really judge with dinner, but after the wolfed-down meal Bets and I retired to living room to commune with each other, wine, and dog while David and tutor used dining table. As it warmed, some good Chenin character- wax, flowers, apples, chalk, and apricot- emerged. Softer acidity than any Savennières I've encountered before, and everything seem a little subdued; yet for a wine from an unheralded producer in an unheralded vintage not a bad showing. B/B+ Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency Dale Dale Williams Drop "damnspam" to reply |
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Dale Williams wrote: I > opened the 2003 Kart=E4user Gr=FCner Veltliner (Wachau). A little pea, a little > white pepper, this was definitely GV. But a little on the dilute side, and a > bit softer as far as acidity than my preference (I attribute the former to the > producer, previously unknown to me, and the latter to the vintage). Decent QPR > at $11, but not something to seek out. B/B- > That Gruner... Smaragd? Federspiel? Just curious. e=2E |
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Dale Williams wrote: I > opened the 2003 Kart=E4user Gr=FCner Veltliner (Wachau). A little pea, a little > white pepper, this was definitely GV. But a little on the dilute side, and a > bit softer as far as acidity than my preference (I attribute the former to the > producer, previously unknown to me, and the latter to the vintage). Decent QPR > at $11, but not something to seek out. B/B- > That Gruner... Smaragd? Federspiel? Just curious. e=2E |
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>Ototh, "Kartäuser" says nothing to me. Was it Stierschneider
>Kartäuserhof Michael (and Emily): 2003 Kartäuser Grüner Veltliner was extent of what was listed on front label, I would have remembered (and noted) a ripeness designation. The label didn't look anything like the website Michael cited, but I think that's right because (a) I think on rear label it mentioned the name Stierschneider & (b) the sources page on website mentioned Matt Brothers as the US rep, and they were definitely the importers. My guess a low-end US-only export. Best, Dale Dale Williams Drop "damnspam" to reply |
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Ok, just got home, here's what we have:
Front label Kartäuser Grüner Veltliner 2003 Wachau Osterreich Back label: Kartäuser Erzeugerabfüllung Karl Stierschneider A-3610 Weissenkirchen 2003 Grüner Veltliner Wachau Then some small print: qualitatswein staatl, 12.5%abv, Prüfnr F9597/03 (is that like an AP number?), etc Thanks for your help. I said, it's ok, but I generally prefer the co-op (Domane Wachau) Terrassen GV at around same price point, or Nigh Freiheit for dollar or two more. Dale Dale Williams Drop "damnspam" to reply |
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Got me curious there. So I looked through our catalog and found that in
all cases Smaragd or equivalent wines have a number with the year being after the vintage year. Some Federspiel wines have the same year, some the following, and all the Steinfeder wines have the same year. I realize this doesn't answer the question as to whether the year is for when the sample was submitted or Pr=FCfnummer granted, but I thought I'd share anyhow. It would be really great if they posted the chemical analyses for the wines online and folks could search using the Pr=FCfnummer. I'm looking at a stack of these right now and I find them quite interesting. e=2E |
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Got me curious there. So I looked through our catalog and found that in
all cases Smaragd or equivalent wines have a number with the year being after the vintage year. Some Federspiel wines have the same year, some the following, and all the Steinfeder wines have the same year. I realize this doesn't answer the question as to whether the year is for when the sample was submitted or Pr=FCfnummer granted, but I thought I'd share anyhow. It would be really great if they posted the chemical analyses for the wines online and folks could search using the Pr=FCfnummer. I'm looking at a stack of these right now and I find them quite interesting. e=2E |
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