Hello...I have been asked by a relative to sell a bottle of rare wine. It
is a Chateau Rauzan-Gassies Margaux 1952. It has been stored in a cellar
and rotated periodically. As far as I can see, there is no separation of
color. The bottle and labels are in very good shape. Foil intact.

2000 bottles of the same wine is currently up for sale on EBAY where it has
been fetching $35 to 49 (actual bid). A UK seller was selling a 1955
'bottle with contents' for $160. And I have seen online wine merchants (in
Germany) with the 1952 for $300-400.

I am looking for at least $200. How does one go about selling this bottle?

thanks.

Mark

info (at)) kramden.. dot.. net

"Mdd" > wrote:

> Hello...I have been asked by a relative to sell a bottle of rare
> wine. It is a Chateau Rauzan-Gassies Margaux 1952. It has been
> stored in a cellar and rotated periodically. ...

What's does rotating nonsense com from? Totally wrong, and totally
superfluous.

> And I have seen online wine merchants (in Germany) with the 1952
> for $300-400.

I don't know where *you* search, but the going price of this wine
in germany is USD 190 to 199, in UK USD 175:
<www.wine-searcher.com>

> I am looking for at least $200.

Not serious.

> How does one go about selling this bottle?

Maybe you find some ignorant at eBay that will pay more. Happens
quite often, btw.

M.

"Mdd" > wrote in message
...
> Hello...I have been asked by a relative to sell a bottle of rare wine. It
> is a Chateau Rauzan-Gassies Margaux 1952. It has been stored in a cellar
> and rotated periodically. As far as I can see, there is no separation of
> color. The bottle and labels are in very good shape. Foil intact.
>
> 2000 bottles of the same wine is currently up for sale on EBAY where it
> has been fetching $35 to 49 (actual bid). A UK seller was selling a 1955
> 'bottle with contents' for $160. And I have seen online wine merchants (in
> Germany) with the 1952 for $300-400.
>
> I am looking for at least $200. How does one go about selling this
> bottle?
>
> thanks.
>
> Mark
>
> info (at)) kramden.. dot.. net

Unfortunately 1952 is a poor year. (Unfortunately because it is my birth
year.) You might get $50 from a gullible buyer. What do you mean by
separation of colour?

Ron Lel

Thanks for the two responses so far. Michael, you are a useless prig who
does not deserve to be assaulting these pages with your boorish arrogant
responses. In looking over this newsgroup, which I am on for my first time,
I see that many people are here to provide help to others. Michael, you
fall far short...typing in nonsense that is immature and non-helpful...do
you like to hear yourself talk? You have added nothing, and I suspect you
are similarly a waste of space in your personal and professional lives.

Ron, thanks for your more helpful comments. As my questions indicate, I do
not know much about this wine, or fine wines in general, and was seeking
help. I think you have answered my question.

Cheers,

Mark
"Mdd" > wrote in message
...
> Hello...I have been asked by a relative to sell a bottle of rare wine. It
> is a Chateau Rauzan-Gassies Margaux 1952. It has been stored in a cellar
> and rotated periodically. As far as I can see, there is no separation of
> color. The bottle and labels are in very good shape. Foil intact.
>
> 2000 bottles of the same wine is currently up for sale on EBAY where it
> has been fetching $35 to 49 (actual bid). A UK seller was selling a 1955
> 'bottle with contents' for $160. And I have seen online wine merchants (in
> Germany) with the 1952 for $300-400.
>
> I am looking for at least $200. How does one go about selling this
> bottle?
>
> thanks.
>
> Mark
>
> info (at)) kramden.. dot.. net
>

"Mdd" wrote quite a bit of nonsense in stating.....

>> I have been asked by a relative to sell a bottle of rare wine. It is a
>> Chateau Rauzan-Gassies Margaux 1952. It has been stored in a cellar and
>> rotated periodically.
>> As far as I can see, there is no separation of color.

And then got upset when a respected contributor suggested that he didn't
know much about the subject of wine.

Mdd, instead of insulting anyone who responds to your quite ludicrous
statements, perhaps you should get off your high horse (all Americans ride
horses, right) - and do a little research for yourself.

Google is you friend!

So, here is a little information for you.

Ch. Rauzan-Gassies was classified as a Second Growth in the Bordeaux
Classification of 1855, however, it has been a regular underachiever through
much of the last century; only in recent years rising to a level befitting
its ranking.

Furthermore, the wines tend to reach maturity at a relatively early age, and
are often near their peak just a decade after the vintage: only in the best
years do these wines have any sort of longevity.

The 1952 vintage was good; not very good, and certainly not one of the best.

Thus, even the most optimistic pundit would advise that this wine is showing
it age, and is more than likely, well past its best.

However, it will have a value, but only to a very small number of people -
you have other problems: you have one bottle and you are in the US where you
are subject to some pretty archaic laws in respect to selling alcoholic
beverages, depending on which state you reside.

Further, I do believe that you have significantly overvalued this wine.

Then we have another problem - YOU!

Your statements that "the wine has been rotated periodically" [as if this is
desirable or beneficial] - and the even more ludicrous "there is no
separation of color" [what is this bullshit!] indicate that you know 2/5 of
5/8 of diddly squat about wine.

No-one in their right mind would purchase this, or any wine from you - you
lack any sort of credibility.

I shall make one further observation.

I know that you are in the US - I am in New Zealand; Ron is in Australia and
Michael is in Austria - and we are the only three to respond to your post
thus far.

I have "known" Michael for many years [through this forum] and he is a most
knowledgeable contributor: and like me, cannot abide fools.

You Sir have come barging in, rip, shit and bust, displaying nothing but a
rudimentary knowledge of wine, then choose to insult someone who treat your
statements with the contempt they deserve.

Get back on your high horse, head off into the sunset with your bottle of
R-G in your saddlebag - and go find some bloody manners !!!!!

--

st.helier

snipped

> Ron, thanks for your more helpful comments. As my questions indicate, I
> do not know much about this wine, or fine wines in general, and was
> seeking help. I think you have answered my question.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark

Rauzan-Gassies is a pretty decent 2nd growth Bordeaux. As I stated , '52 is
a poor year and the wine is almost certainly well past it. As an indication
the following link
http://www.finestwine.com/english/ad...Rauzan+Gassies
gives prices for other vintages. Note the price for the '61. This was an
outstanding vintage.
Old wines don't have "colour separation". They do tend towards browning, but
this may be difficult to see through the bottle. Is this what you meant?

Ron

"Mdd" > wrote:

> Michael, you are a useless prig ...

Welcome to the filter.

M.

I thought this group was above these types of responses. Deserving or not.

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:22:53 -0700, "Sean E. Slindee"
> wrote:

>I thought this group was above these types of responses. Deserving or not.

snip


"As my questions indicate, I do
not know much about this wine, or fine wines in general, and was
seeking help. "

Agreed. Original poster did qualify that he knew less than 2/5 of 1/2
of .... about wines. Hope I don't get char broiled in the future if
I ask a question that some seem to feel is troolish or ignorant in
nature. Happy that Ron responded in a even- keeled manner.

All the best,

Larry
Southern Ontario

"Larry" > skrev i melding
...
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:22:53 -0700, "Sean E. Slindee"
> > wrote:
> "As my questions indicate, I do
> not know much about this wine, or fine wines in general, and was
> seeking help. "
>
> Agreed. Original poster did qualify that he knew less than 2/5 of 1/2
> of .... about wines.
....
He didn't say that in the original post...
....
Secondly, the original post said "It has been stored in a cellar
and rotated periodically. As far as I can see, there is no separation of
color. The bottle and labels are in very good shape. Foil intact."

1. The statement "rotated periodically" is bullshit according to those in
the know
2. "separation of color" is a non standard term and thus meaningless unless
explained.

Both were put forth with a seeming pretension of being knowledgeable.
However, there is always the possibility that the O.P. merely passed on
received descriptions and therefore the responses from our old hands Michael
Pronay and lord St. Helier were a little bit on the harsh side, imho.

Anders

On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 06:29:00 GMT, "Mdd" > said:

[snip drivel]

] Cheers,
]
] Mark
]

Actually Michael has given you good advice. This will not likely be an easy
bottle to sell.

Is your name Mark? Then why is your mail "from" Annie Flogaus? It so
happens that I am acquainted with Ms. Flogaus. I can't imagine she would
be delighted at your using her name here or anywhere else.

-E


--
Emery Davis
You can reply to
by removing the well known companies

Salut/Hi "Mdd" >,

le/on Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:23:35 GMT, tu disais/you said:-

>Hello...I have been asked by a relative to sell a bottle of rare wine. It
>is a Chateau Rauzan-Gassies Margaux 1952.

rare - yes because it would have been better drunk 20 years ago. So you will
be wanting to sell it to a collector rather than a drinker. Chances are slim
I'm afraid.

> It has been stored in a cellar and rotated periodically.

Any idea why? It doesn't do any good and in fact just stirs up any sediment.
NOIT a good idea.


> As far as I can see, there is no separation of color.

Eh?> Could you explqain why you felt that there might be such a thing, and
why you mention it?

> The bottle and labels are in very good shape. Foil intact.

Might help the sale to a collector.

>
>2000 bottles of the same wine is currently up for sale on EBAY where it has
>been fetching $35 to 49 (actual bid).

I presume that what you meant to say, is that the same wine of vintage
2000.. (etc)

>I am looking for at least $200. How does one go about selling this bottle?

Not here.

Try asking Christie's or Sothebys.

By the way, I saw your comments to Michael Pronay. He is an ex-sommelier
(competitor in the "best in the world") now a wine journalist and member of
the "Grand Jurée", who each year take part in many prestigious tastings. I
know no one more knowledgeable than he about wine.

You make no allowance for the fact that he's posting in a foreign language,
even though his .at address tells you this.

While I think St Helier's choleric response to you (no doubt due to a touch
of gout in the lordly toe, following festival overindulgence) was over
aggressive - you would do well as a new poster, to assume that if someone
says some part of your post is meaningless, to explain politely rather than
reply with a string of insults.

--
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

The wanderer returns !

Welcome home !

Believe me, this group is a dream compared to others, such as
rec.travel.cruises--

I was lurking there the other day when a lady posted a message that said
that when she re-boarded the ship from a stop, her purchases that she made
from the port of call was sent through the security scanner never to be seen
again. She had purchased quite a few items for her new home, and "poof"
they were gone. Security agents couldn't, wouldn't (whatever) locate her
package, and she was asking the question of that newsgroup as to whether or
not she could effectively make a claim against the cruise line.

Well, the thread quickly turned into a rant about how terrorists could get
by security and how they could possibly board ships, etc.

I can't tell you how many newsgroups are filled with boneheads that just
must not have any sort of life.

The lady, who was heartbroken about losing her belongings, never got her
question answered, a very simple yes or no would have done, possibly with a
small dose of advice to help her. When I made mention of how OT the thread
had become (the thread had gone OT the third reply, and was over 30 threads
long) I was quickly and summarily flamed. So, RTC, has been quickly
killfiled.

Just a little story---




"Larry" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:22:53 -0700, "Sean E. Slindee"
> > wrote:
>
> >I thought this group was above these types of responses. Deserving or
not.
>
> snip
>
>
> "As my questions indicate, I do
> not know much about this wine, or fine wines in general, and was
> seeking help. "
>
> Agreed. Original poster did qualify that he knew less than 2/5 of 1/2
> of .... about wines. Hope I don't get char broiled in the future if
> I ask a question that some seem to feel is troolish or ignorant in
> nature. Happy that Ron responded in a even- keeled manner.
>
> All the best,
>
> Larry
> Southern Ontario
>
>

Ian Hoare > wrote:

> Salut/Hi [...]

Welcome back home!

M.

Salut/Hi Michael Pronay (and to Lord Bourke)

le/on 2 Jan 2005 07:34:44 GMT, tu disais/you said:-

>Ian Hoare > wrote:
>
>> Salut/Hi [...]
>
>Welcome back home!

Thanks very much indeed. I have to say that it's a pleasure to be back, and
even more of a pleasure to be able to resume my old posting methods.

By the way, you may be able to tell me.

I got some Brunello di Montalcino

Collemattoni 1998
Canalicchio di Sopra '99
Canalicchio di Sopra '97 Riserva
and
Talenti Pian de Conte '97 Riserva

for Christmas from a generous friend, and was wondering what you felt were
the ideal ages for them to become really ready to drink. I know that the
Sangiovese is as dense and tannic in B di M as it gets, but that the wines
spend some time in wood before bottling. So any help you (or anyone else,
for that matter) can give would be most welcome.





--
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

"Ian Hoare" > wrote in message
...
> Salut/Hi "Mdd" >,

Welcome back to home Ian - it has been interesting following your trip. May
God bless you and yours in the new year.

Jim

Ian Hoare > wrote:

> I got some Brunello di Montalcino

As a rule of thumb, I'd say 10 to 15 years is a fine drinking age
for Brunello.

Thus said, the very best I ever had was also the oldest: Barbi
Colombini 1967 (annata, not riserva) drunk at my 40 birthday 12 years
ago, at age 25.

Mike should know more about the producers.

M.

The only Brunello I have followed over the very long term is Lisini 1975
- I had a case of both the regular and riserva. The regular peaked a
long time ago and was declined more than I like many years ago. The
riserva was much more slow to develop, peaked many years ago, but was
still holding well last year. a few of the old Biondi-Santi Brunelos
from the mid 1940s back to the early 1900s have been reported to still
drink very well, but cost a fortune in the unlikely event you can still
find them at auction. Modern Biondi-Santi Brunellos have not impressed
me much except for their price, and I have seen mention of that by
others here also.

My mailbox is always full to avoid spam. To contact me, erase
from my email address. Then add . I do not
check this box every day, so post if you need a quick response.

(Cwdjrx _) wrote:

> a few of the old Biondi-Santi Brunelos from the mid 1940s back
> to the early 1900s have been reported to still drink very well,
> but cost a fortune in the unlikely event you can still find them
> at auction.

Apart from 1888, 1891, and 1925 there haven't been much bottlings
up to 1945 - only three or four more. I don't think that there is
much left - except for what Biondi Santi have in their museum.

M.

Try

www.winecommune.com



On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 09:23:35 -0800, Mdd wrote
(in article >) :

> Hello...I have been asked by a relative to sell a bottle of rare wine. It
> is a Chateau Rauzan-Gassies Margaux 1952. It has been stored in a cellar
> and rotated periodically. As far as I can see, there is no separation of
> color. The bottle and labels are in very good shape. Foil intact.
>
> 2000 bottles of the same wine is currently up for sale on EBAY where it has
> been fetching $35 to 49 (actual bid). A UK seller was selling a 1955
> 'bottle with contents' for $160. And I have seen online wine merchants (in
> Germany) with the 1952 for $300-400.
>
> I am looking for at least $200. How does one go about selling this bottle?
>
> thanks.
>
> Mark
>
> info (at)) kramden.. dot.. net
>
>