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When friends ask for food pairings, I always recommend
Riesling, the universal grape.

But I'm not sure - are there any specific dishes where
this advice fails?

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On 8/25/2020 11:49 AM, RichD wrote:
When friends ask for food pairings, I always recommend
Riesling, the universal grape.

But I'm not sure - are there any specific dishes where
this advice fails?



We all have different preferences, but to me riesling is not a universal
grape; it doesn't go with everything. For example, I'd rather have no
wine with steak, roast beef, lamb chops, or hamburgers than have
Riesling with it.


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On 8/25/20 2:49 PM, RichD wrote:
When friends ask for food pairings, I always recommend
Riesling, the universal grape.

But I'm not sure - are there any specific dishes where
this advice fails?


Riesling is a very versatile white grape, but it's not an ideal choice
with most red meats. I think that tomato-based dishes also can
overwhelm it. With Riesling, it also depends on the sweetness level.
"Dessert wine"-type Rieslings (Auslese and up) are really not suited for
much food beyond certain cheeses and maybe nuts (ironically, they would
be terrible with most desserts).

Just my $0.02,
Mark Lipton

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On 8/25/2020 4:26 PM, Mark Lipton wrote:
On 8/25/20 2:49 PM, RichD wrote:
When friends ask for food pairings, I always recommend
Riesling, the universal grape.

But I'm not sure - are there any specific dishes where
this advice fails?


Riesling is a very versatile white grape, but it's not an ideal choice
with most red meats. I think that tomato-based dishes also can
overwhelm it. With Riesling, it also depends on the sweetness level.
"Dessert wine"-type Rieslings (Auslese and up) are really not suited for
much food beyond certain cheeses and maybe nuts (ironically, they would
be terrible with most desserts).



Yes, but as I understand it, the term "dessert wine" does not mean a
wine to be served with dessert. It mean a wine to be *used* as a dessert.


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On 8/25/20 7:42 PM, Ken Blake wrote:

Riesling is a very versatile white grape, but it's not an ideal choice
with most red meats.* I think that tomato-based dishes also can
overwhelm it.* With Riesling, it also depends on the sweetness level.
"Dessert wine"-type Rieslings (Auslese and up) are really not suited for
much food beyond certain cheeses and maybe nuts (ironically, they would
be terrible with most desserts).



Yes, but as I understand it, the term "dessert wine" does not mean a
wine to be served with dessert. It mean a wine to be *used* as a dessert.



Quite so, Ken, but that's not how a lot of people think of them, I find.

Mark Lipton


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On 8/25/2020 9:16 PM, Mark Lipton wrote:

On 8/25/20 7:42 PM, Ken Blake wrote:

Riesling is a very versatile white grape, but it's not an ideal choice
with most red meats.* I think that tomato-based dishes also can
overwhelm it.* With Riesling, it also depends on the sweetness level.
"Dessert wine"-type Rieslings (Auslese and up) are really not suited for
much food beyond certain cheeses and maybe nuts (ironically, they would
be terrible with most desserts).



Yes, but as I understand it, the term "dessert wine" does not mean a
wine to be served with dessert. It mean a wine to be *used* as a dessert.



Quite so, Ken, but that's not how a lot of people think of them, I find.



Yes, I've found the same thing.


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On 2020-08-25 5:26 p.m., Mark Lipton wrote:
On 8/25/20 2:49 PM, RichD wrote:
When friends ask for food pairings, I always recommend
Riesling, the universal grape.

But I'm not sure - are there any specific dishes where
this advice fails?


Riesling is a very versatile white grape, but it's not an ideal choice
with most red meats. I think that tomato-based dishes also can
overwhelm it. With Riesling, it also depends on the sweetness level.
"Dessert wine"-type Rieslings (Auslese and up) are really not suited for
much food beyond certain cheeses and maybe nuts (ironically, they would
be terrible with most desserts).

Just my $0.02,
Mark Lipton

A waiter in a restaurant in Bordeaux insisted that I have a glass of
Sauternes with my foie gras. I know it's a classic pairing but it didn't
enhance the dish on that occasion.
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On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 7:26:03 PM UTC-4, Mark Lipton wrote:
On 8/25/20 2:49 PM, RichD wrote:
When friends ask for food pairings, I always recommend
Riesling, the universal grape.

But I'm not sure - are there any specific dishes where
this advice fails?

Riesling is a very versatile white grape, but it's not an ideal choice
with most red meats. I think that tomato-based dishes also can
overwhelm it. With Riesling, it also depends on the sweetness level.
"Dessert wine"-type Rieslings (Auslese and up) are really not suited for
much food beyond certain cheeses and maybe nuts (ironically, they would
be terrible with most desserts).

Just my $0.02,
Mark Lipton

i'm with Mark and Ken, not a fan with red meat (well, maybe duck or goose if you consider red meat) or with tomato dishes (especially cooked, but fresh as well). Not a real clash but not my instinct with delicate white fish either. But lots of chicken, pork, rabbit, oily fish recipes it's my go-to (especially if Asian)
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On 2020-08-26 12:11 p.m., wrote:
On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 7:26:03 PM UTC-4, Mark Lipton wrote:
On 8/25/20 2:49 PM, RichD wrote:
When friends ask for food pairings, I always recommend
Riesling, the universal grape.

But I'm not sure - are there any specific dishes where
this advice fails?

Riesling is a very versatile white grape, but it's not an ideal choice
with most red meats. I think that tomato-based dishes also can
overwhelm it. With Riesling, it also depends on the sweetness level.
"Dessert wine"-type Rieslings (Auslese and up) are really not suited for
much food beyond certain cheeses and maybe nuts (ironically, they would
be terrible with most desserts).

Just my $0.02,
Mark Lipton

i'm with Mark and Ken, not a fan with red meat (well, maybe duck or goose if you consider red meat) or with tomato dishes (especially cooked, but fresh as well). Not a real clash but not my instinct with delicate white fish either. But lots of chicken, pork, rabbit, oily fish recipes it's my go-to (especially if Asian)

I don't waste even inexpensive wine on curries. I've found that cider
(hard in the US) is the better accompaniment.
Graham


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