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TN: Chateauneuf du Pape at Nice Matin NYC
nice group gathered Wednesday night at Nice Matin for Chateauneuf-du-Pape night. Great to see a bunch of friends, some of whom I hadnt seen in a couple of years. Nice table, nice service, nice stemware, Nice Matin. There was a nice cauliflower soup amuse, I started with escargots and had a main of duck, escarole, and sweet potato.
2006 Clos des Papes Chateauneuf-du-Pape Blanc Im not a white Rhone fan but I dont think even a Roussanne/Marsanne fanatic would find this enjoyable. Volatile/chemical nose, I said I have household cleaners that smell better. Better on the palate, but what wouldnt be? Hot and volatile, with bitter edge to the fruit. But it got better, started as a D, became a C- 1983 Beaucastel Chateauneuf-du-Pape Some thought this past it, but I found enjoyable. Red fruit, pepper and spice, light on texture, high acids. I thought mature but not tired, though not especially Rhonish. One person said it reminded him of mature Rioja, and Id agree, but I like mature Rioja. B/B+ 1990 Clos des Papes Chateauneuf-du-Pape Red and black fruit, smoked meat and herbs, full bodied and drinking well. A-/B+ 1995 Beaucastel Chateauneuf-du-Pape Sturdy rather than flashy, but nice black fruit, smoke, garrigue. Some tannin left, held up well. B/B+ 1998 Pegau Cuvee Reservee Chateauneuf-du-Pape Ripe, a little barnyard, earth, I liked but others loved. B+/B 1999 Beaucastel Hommage a Jacques Perrin Chateauneuf-du-Pape Wine of the night for me. Unlike some prestige cuvee CdPs this is not about €śmore, one of the more perfectly balanced southern Rhones Ive run across. Black cherries, cassis, a pleasant earthy funk, smoked meat. Nice length. A- 2001 Rayas Pignan Reserve Chateauneuf-du-Pape Most divisive wine of the night, I was on pro side. Lots of herby/stemmy notes which others didnt like but I found added complexity, red fruited, elegant for CdP.. B+/A- 2003 Pegau Cuvee Reservee Chateauneuf-du-Pape I thought this was surprisingly well balanced for 2003, its big and ripe but not excessively roasted or hot. Some exotic sandalwoody aromas on solid fruit. B/B+ 2000 Beaucastel Chateauneuf-du-Pape This actually seemed riper than the "03 Pegau, fully mature, a touch hot, with fruit beginning to edge towards pruney and a lack of acid. B- Very fun night, I liked almost all the wines, I liked all the people! Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C drinkable. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice.Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency. |
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On 11/14/19 4:09 PM, DaleW wrote:
> 2006 Clos des Papes Chateauneuf-du-Pape Blanc > Im not a white Rhone fan but I dont think even a Roussanne/Marsanne fanatic would find this enjoyable. Volatile/chemical nose, I said I have household cleaners that smell better. Better on the palate, but what wouldnt be? Hot and volatile, with bitter edge to the fruit. But it got better, started as a D, became a C- Wow. I'm not a big CdP blanc fan, either, but this sounds off in a serious way. > 1995 Beaucastel Chateauneuf-du-Pape > Sturdy rather than flashy, but nice black fruit, smoke, garrigue. Some tannin left, held up well. B/B+ I opened a bottle of this not so long ago, but mine was compromised by TCA. It was a shame, because there was a very nice wine evident beneath the maderization. > > 1998 Pegau Cuvee Reservee Chateauneuf-du-Pape > Ripe, a little barnyard, earth, I liked but others loved. B+/B Yeah, not my favorite vintage of Pegau. I drank all mine up a few years ago and there was a palpable sense of ripeness to them. > 2000 Beaucastel Chateauneuf-du-Pape > This actually seemed riper than the "03 Pegau, fully mature, a touch hot, with fruit beginning to edge towards pruney and a lack of acid. B- 2000 as a year was too low in acid IMO. I drank mine up (or traded them away). Lots of nice wines there, Dale, including a few (Rayas, Perrin) that I don't usually see. Thanks for the notes! Mark Lipton -- alt.food.wine FAQ: RIP cwdjrx |
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On Friday, November 15, 2019 at 11:15:40 AM UTC-5, Mark Lipton wrote:
> > > Yeah, not my favorite vintage of Pegau. I drank all mine up a few years > ago and there was a palpable sense of ripeness to them. > > > > 2000 as a year was too low in acid IMO. I drank mine up (or traded them > away). > Several people had the 98 Pegau as top 3 wine I only bought a few '00 CdP, didn't care for and tucked away a very few to see if improved, think I have single bottles of P Usseglio, Vieux Donjon, and Charvin, will try soon with low expectations But as a not frequent CdP drinker, overall I was happy with night |
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On 11/15/19 2:03 PM, DaleW wrote:
> Several people had the 98 Pegau as top 3 wine > I only bought a few '00 CdP, didn't care for and tucked away a very few to see if improved, think I have single bottles of P Usseglio, Vieux Donjon, and Charvin, will try soon with low expectations > But as a not frequent CdP drinker, overall I was happy with night > I liked the '98 Pegau but '01 was far more structured and a bit more restrained in character. '99 was a charmer of a vintage. The Charvin you should definitely hang onto: he can make good wine in even a hot year. These days, I only buy VT, Pegau and Charvin (even Beaucastel has become too clean for my tastes since '05) and I don't buy that much of them, either. Mark Lipton -- alt.food.wine FAQ: RIP cwdjrx |
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