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With halibut, squash, salad, the 2015 Withers Peters Vineyard Chardonnay. Pear fruit wth a nutty edge, good acids, nice length. B/B+

Friday was ribeye and margherita pizza all on the grill, with the salad and the 2015 Felsina Chianti Classico. Black cherry with surprisingly abundant herbal notes, good length, nice. B+/B

Saturday we had over friends for a vaguely Asian fusion dinner.

Oysters on half shell with Asian mignonette (shallot with ponzu and fish sauce) and shiso
2006 Bereche Montagne Champagne. I generally like Bereche but I found this to be somewhat dull and heavy, despite decent acids. Vanilla and brioche, not my style, others loved. B-/C+

I had done 5 spice chicken on grill, Betsy made sesame noodles and Chinese spinach with sesame , friends brought green salad

2018 Withers Rose- super corked!

2018 Keller Riesling Trocken
Brisk, green apple and citrus, just a hint of sugar, nice length for level. B+

2015 Nigl Freiheit Gruner Veltliner
Touch of fizz, pit fruit with lemon, hint of peas. Good acids and good food wine. B

2012 Maravalle Francisioni 1897 Tenuta Vitalonga
Some kind of super-Umbria blend. Blackberry jam, mocha, plush. Says 14% but seems higher. Not really my style. Heaviest still 750 bottle Ive ever seen- 2 lbs 12 ounces empty. C+/B-

Last night she made a great dish of clams with corn, leek, and fennel, with the 2017 Collestefano Verdicchio di Matelica Salinity and minerality over dry peach and apple fruit, some floral notes, fun with clams. B+/B


Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C drinkable. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice.Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.

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On 7/29/19 1:08 PM, DaleW wrote:
With halibut, squash, salad, the 2015 Withers Peters Vineyard Chardonnay. Pear fruit wth a nutty edge, good acids, nice length. B/B+

Friday was ribeye and margherita pizza all on the grill, with the salad and the 2015 Felsina Chianti Classico. Black cherry with surprisingly abundant herbal notes, good length, nice. B+/B

Saturday we had over friends for a vaguely Asian fusion dinner.

Oysters on half shell with Asian mignonette (shallot with ponzu and fish sauce) and shiso
2006 Bereche Montagne Champagne. I generally like Bereche but I found this to be somewhat dull and heavy, despite decent acids. Vanilla and brioche, not my style, others loved. B-/C+

We had this 3 weeks ago and I find the B-/C generous. We also had the
2008 which was great and was anything but dull and heavy.

I had done 5 spice chicken on grill, Betsy made sesame noodles and Chinese spinach with sesame , friends brought green salad

2018 Withers Rose- super corked!


I have never had a corked Rose.

2018 Keller Riesling Trocken
Brisk, green apple and citrus, just a hint of sugar, nice length for level. B+

2015 Nigl Freiheit Gruner Veltliner
Touch of fizz, pit fruit with lemon, hint of peas. Good acids and good food wine. B

2012 Maravalle Francisioni 1897 Tenuta Vitalonga
Some kind of super-Umbria blend. Blackberry jam, mocha, plush. Says 14% but seems higher. Not really my style. Heaviest still 750 bottle Ive ever seen- 2 lbs 12 ounces empty. C+/B-

Last night she made a great dish of clams with corn, leek, and fennel, with the 2017 Collestefano Verdicchio di Matelica Salinity and minerality over dry peach and apple fruit, some floral notes, fun with clams. B+/B


Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C drinkable. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice.Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.


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On 30/07/19 6:08 AM, DaleW wrote:
With halibut, squash, salad, the 2015 Withers Peters Vineyard Chardonnay. Pear fruit wth a nutty edge, good acids, nice length. B/B+


I'm curious...... country of origin?
( I'm not in the USA but some foreign, crime ridden, rat infested
hell hole :-) )



Friday was ribeye and margherita pizza all on the grill, with the salad and the 2015 Felsina Chianti Classico. Black cherry with surprisingly abundant herbal notes, good length, nice. B+/B

Saturday we had over friends for a vaguely Asian fusion dinner.

Oysters on half shell with Asian mignonette (shallot with ponzu and fish sauce) and shiso
2006 Bereche Montagne Champagne. I generally like Bereche but I found this to be somewhat dull and heavy, despite decent acids. Vanilla and brioche, not my style, others loved. B-/C+

I had done 5 spice chicken on grill, Betsy made sesame noodles and Chinese spinach with sesame , friends brought green salad

2018 Withers Rose- super corked!

2018 Keller Riesling Trocken
Brisk, green apple and citrus, just a hint of sugar, nice length for level. B+

2015 Nigl Freiheit Gruner Veltliner
Touch of fizz, pit fruit with lemon, hint of peas. Good acids and good food wine. B

2012 Maravalle Francisioni 1897 Tenuta Vitalonga
Some kind of super-Umbria blend. Blackberry jam, mocha, plush. Says 14% but seems higher. Not really my style. Heaviest still 750 bottle Ive ever seen- 2 lbs 12 ounces empty. C+/B-

Last night she made a great dish of clams with corn, leek, and fennel, with the 2017 Collestefano Verdicchio di Matelica Salinity and minerality over dry peach and apple fruit, some floral notes, fun with clams. B+/B


Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C drinkable. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice.Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.


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On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 10:37:23 PM UTC-4, greybeard wrote:
On 30/07/19 6:08 AM, DaleW wrote:
With halibut, squash, salad, the 2015 Withers Peters Vineyard Chardonnay. Pear fruit wth a nutty edge, good acids, nice length. B/B+


I'm curious...... country of origin?
( I'm not in the USA but some foreign, crime ridden, rat infested
hell hole :-) )


Sorry, US , Sonoma Coast
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On 2/08/19 4:18 AM, DaleW wrote:
On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 10:37:23 PM UTC-4, greybeard wrote:
On 30/07/19 6:08 AM, DaleW wrote:
With halibut, squash, salad, the 2015 Withers Peters Vineyard Chardonnay. Pear fruit wth a nutty edge, good acids, nice length. B/B+


I'm curious...... country of origin?
( I'm not in the USA but some foreign, crime ridden, rat infested
hell hole :-) )


Sorry, US , Sonoma Coast



Nothing to apologise for Dale. There is local ( to me ) winery with
a "wither' in the name and I thought it be an export version of theirs.
Not that I buy industrial swill brands from the supermarket!


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On 8/1/19 7:23 PM, greybeard wrote:

Nothing to apologise for Dale. There is local ( to me ) winery with
a "wither' in the name and I thought it be an export version of theirs.
Not that I buy industrial swill brands from the supermarket!


Do you consider Wither Hills to be an industrial swill brand? In the
past, I've had a number of very creditable wines from them.

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On 6/08/19 6:27 AM, Mark Lipton wrote:
On 8/1/19 7:23 PM, greybeard wrote:

Nothing to apologise for Dale. There is local ( to me ) winery with
a "wither' in the name and I thought it be an export version of theirs.
Not that I buy industrial swill brands from the supermarket!


Do you consider Wither Hills to be an industrial swill brand? In the
past, I've had a number of very creditable wines from them.

Mark Lipton



Yeah, sort of. I don't drink much white wine and there are hundreds of
options for chardonnay, sav blanc and pinot gris ( the most popular
varieties) that I stick to the premium brands.
Wither Hills sits on supermarket middle shelf ~$20-$25 so one notch up
from swill? :-)
Drink quality not quantity.

With pan fried scotch fillet, pan fried potato, broccoli and a couple of
'shrooms swimming in butter
1996 Leoville Barton medium red, tending to black, not bricked.
Lovely aroma filling the room on opening and decant. Smooth on palate
balanced acidity and strong finish. The 12.5% alc welcome and refreshing
when most wines these days tend to be 14+
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On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 6:51:37 PM UTC-4, greybeard wrote:


With pan fried scotch fillet, pan fried potato, broccoli and a couple of
'shrooms swimming in butter
1996 Leoville Barton medium red, tending to black, not bricked.
Lovely aroma filling the room on opening and decant. Smooth on palate
balanced acidity and strong finish. The 12.5% alc welcome and refreshing
when most wines these days tend to be 14+


12.5 is so civilized.
'96 is such a strong year in Medoc.Thanks for note.
(I had to look up Scotch filet, ribeye to US readers)
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On 8/6/19 6:51 PM, greybeard wrote:

Yeah, sort of. I don't drink much white wine and there are hundreds of
options for chardonnay, sav blanc and pinot gris ( the most popular
varieties) that I stick to the premium brands.
Wither Hills sits on supermarket middle shelf ~$20-$25 so one notch up
from swill?** :-)
Drink quality not quantity.

With pan fried scotch fillet, pan fried potato, broccoli and a couple of
'shrooms swimming in butter
1996 Leoville Barton medium red, tending to black, not bricked.
Lovely aroma filling the room on opening and decant. Smooth on palate
balanced acidity and strong finish. The 12.5% alc welcome and refreshing
when most wines these days tend to be 14+


Thanks for the response. That '96 LB sounds marvelous indeed.

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