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Ian was visiting from London and Ramon organized a group to celebrate his visit. Jim and JC arranged dinner at Sutton Inn, an improvised tasting menu by ordering 4 orders of various mains for the 8 os us- worked great, and restaurant did a good job.

We started with the 2006 Phillponnat La Leon Blanc de Noirs. Full, ripe but balanced, citrus zest and pit fruits, pretty sure I wouldnt have guessed 100% PN but enjoyed. B+

With heirloom tomato salad with a corn milk sauce and tapioca puffs

2004 Laville Haut-Brion Blanc
Really tight at first, but deep. I wrote down B+/B but revisited later and it was a different beast, delicious,heading toward excellent.

2005 Smith Haut Lafitte Blanc
Oak, thick, a little hot. C+/B-

Really nice charcuterie plate, I surprised myself by especially loving the mortadella

1982 Figeac
Jim who brought was worried, and at first there was a kind of pruney note, but it transformed into something that seemed more representative of that Figeac CF-ishness. Herby, leafy, red fruits, earth. B+/B

1982 Lafon Rochet
A bit workman like, ok but without any 82 glamor. B-

1982 Leoville Barton
Corked, alas.

Gnocchi, I thought it was to have a mushroom sauce, but more tomato (or sun dried tomato). Hard match, but the wines pulled through

1985 Leoville las Cases
Divisive wine, some really liked , I thought somewhat sturdy/blocky. Might have been better with a steak. B

1985 Rausan Segla
Lovely, elegant,red fruits and sandalwood. Ive always thought 86 RS was highpoint of the chateau, followed by the 83, but this is maybe my new fave. A-

1985 Gruaud Larose
Most wines were doubledecanted in advance, this was opened by JC as a backup (not sure for what!). Took a while to open up, but classic brawny/earthy GL with some tobacco notes. B+

My favorite course of the night, duck breast with a orange/ginger sauce/puree (deconstructed duck lorange someone said- but a better red match)

1983 Ch. Marguax
Big brooding beast, sure will be fantastic, not a load of fun right now. B

1983 Chateau Rauzan Segla,
A bit reticent compared to other bottles Ive had, but still lovely with power and grace. B+/A-

1983 Leoville Poyferre
(cork broke and fell in during double decant, so in a Juge bottle)
Brawny for LP, cassis and gunflint, needs time. B/B+ for now

1983 Pichon Lalande
Cassis and black raspberry, green tobacco leaf, balanced and long, A-

Dry aged steak, snap peas, excellent potatoes

1986 Ducru-Beaucaillou
Corked

1986 Gruaud Larose
I always love this wine, but an especially giving bottle. POwerful, complex, dark fruits with earth and cigarbox, just a hint of Cordier funk. A-/A


1986 Chateau Ducru-Beaucaillou,
Corked.

Some had baked Alaska

1988 Climens
Usual orange marmalade/zest, good color, but shorter than other bottles Ive had. B-/B

1988 Ch. DYquem (375)
Deep, long., classic. A-/B+

Really fun night.

Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C drinkable. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice.Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.

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On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 9:37:17 PM UTC+2, DaleW wrote:
Ian was visiting from London and Ramon organized a group to celebrate his visit. Jim and JC arranged dinner at Sutton Inn, an improvised tasting menu by ordering 4 orders of various mains for the 8 os us- worked great, and restaurant did a good job.

We started with the 2006 Phillponnat La Leon Blanc de Noirs. Full, ripe but balanced, citrus zest and pit fruits, pretty sure I wouldnt have guessed 100% PN but enjoyed. B+

With heirloom tomato salad with a corn milk sauce and tapioca puffs

2004 Laville Haut-Brion Blanc
Really tight at first, but deep. I wrote down B+/B but revisited later and it was a different beast, delicious,heading toward excellent.

2005 Smith Haut Lafitte Blanc
Oak, thick, a little hot. C+/B-

Really nice charcuterie plate, I surprised myself by especially loving the mortadella

1982 Figeac
Jim who brought was worried, and at first there was a kind of pruney note, but it transformed into something that seemed more representative of that Figeac CF-ishness. Herby, leafy, red fruits, earth. B+/B

1982 Lafon Rochet
A bit workman like, ok but without any 82 glamor. B-

1982 Leoville Barton
Corked, alas.

Gnocchi, I thought it was to have a mushroom sauce, but more tomato (or sun dried tomato). Hard match, but the wines pulled through

1985 Leoville las Cases
Divisive wine, some really liked , I thought somewhat sturdy/blocky. Might have been better with a steak. B

1985 Rausan Segla
Lovely, elegant,red fruits and sandalwood. Ive always thought 86 RS was highpoint of the chateau, followed by the 83, but this is maybe my new fave. A-

1985 Gruaud Larose
Most wines were doubledecanted in advance, this was opened by JC as a backup (not sure for what!). Took a while to open up, but classic brawny/earthy GL with some tobacco notes. B+

My favorite course of the night, duck breast with a orange/ginger sauce/puree (deconstructed duck lorange someone said- but a better red match)

1983 Ch. Marguax
Big brooding beast, sure will be fantastic, not a load of fun right now. B

1983 Chateau Rauzan Segla,
A bit reticent compared to other bottles Ive had, but still lovely with power and grace. B+/A-

1983 Leoville Poyferre
(cork broke and fell in during double decant, so in a Juge bottle)
Brawny for LP, cassis and gunflint, needs time. B/B+ for now

1983 Pichon Lalande
Cassis and black raspberry, green tobacco leaf, balanced and long, A-

Dry aged steak, snap peas, excellent potatoes

1986 Ducru-Beaucaillou
Corked

1986 Gruaud Larose
I always love this wine, but an especially giving bottle. POwerful, complex, dark fruits with earth and cigarbox, just a hint of Cordier funk. A-/A


1986 Chateau Ducru-Beaucaillou,
Corked.

Some had baked Alaska

1988 Climens
Usual orange marmalade/zest, good color, but shorter than other bottles Ive had. B-/B

1988 Ch. DYquem (375)
Deep, long., classic. A-/B+

Really fun night.

Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C drinkable. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice.Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.


A slow night Dale? :-)

Would that be Ian Hoare?

cheers

Mike T
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On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 6:15:51 AM UTC-4, Mike Tommasi wrote:


Would that be Ian Hoare?

cheers

Mike T


No, I haven't seen Ian H in 12-13 years.
This was Ian Amstad, a claret fan who used to live in Greenwich CT, was part of a regular Bordeaux group then.
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In message ,
DaleW writes
On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 6:15:51 AM UTC-4, Mike Tommasi wrote:


Would that be Ian Hoare?

cheers

Mike T


No, I haven't seen Ian H in 12-13 years.
This was Ian Amstad, a claret fan who used to live in Greenwich CT, was
part of a regular Bordeaux group then.


If this Ian is now in London, would he be interested in tasting groups
there?



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On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 11:34:12 AM UTC-4, Sheila Page wrote:
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DaleW writes
On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 6:15:51 AM UTC-4, Mike Tommasi wrote:


Would that be Ian Hoare?

cheers

Mike T


No, I haven't seen Ian H in 12-13 years.
This was Ian Amstad, a claret fan who used to live in Greenwich CT, was
part of a regular Bordeaux group then.


If this Ian is now in London, would he be interested in tasting groups
there?


I believe he is in a regular group, one based on Tom C's UK wine Pages.
https://wine-pages.com/community/for...-wine-forum.2/

But he might be interested in more. Will send address



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On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 9:37:17 PM UTC+2, DaleW wrote:
Ian was visiting from London and Ramon organized a group to celebrate his visit. Jim and JC arranged dinner at Sutton Inn, an improvised tasting menu by ordering 4 orders of various mains for the 8 os us- worked great, and restaurant did a good job.

We started with the 2006 Phillponnat La Leon Blanc de Noirs. Full, ripe but balanced, citrus zest and pit fruits, pretty sure I wouldnt have guessed 100% PN but enjoyed. B+

With heirloom tomato salad with a corn milk sauce and tapioca puffs

2004 Laville Haut-Brion Blanc
Really tight at first, but deep. I wrote down B+/B but revisited later and it was a different beast, delicious,heading toward excellent.

2005 Smith Haut Lafitte Blanc
Oak, thick, a little hot. C+/B-

Really nice charcuterie plate, I surprised myself by especially loving the mortadella

1982 Figeac
Jim who brought was worried, and at first there was a kind of pruney note, but it transformed into something that seemed more representative of that Figeac CF-ishness. Herby, leafy, red fruits, earth. B+/B

1982 Lafon Rochet
A bit workman like, ok but without any 82 glamor. B-

1982 Leoville Barton
Corked, alas.

Gnocchi, I thought it was to have a mushroom sauce, but more tomato (or sun dried tomato). Hard match, but the wines pulled through

1985 Leoville las Cases
Divisive wine, some really liked , I thought somewhat sturdy/blocky. Might have been better with a steak. B

1985 Rausan Segla
Lovely, elegant,red fruits and sandalwood. Ive always thought 86 RS was highpoint of the chateau, followed by the 83, but this is maybe my new fave. A-

1985 Gruaud Larose
Most wines were doubledecanted in advance, this was opened by JC as a backup (not sure for what!). Took a while to open up, but classic brawny/earthy GL with some tobacco notes. B+

My favorite course of the night, duck breast with a orange/ginger sauce/puree (deconstructed duck lorange someone said- but a better red match)

1983 Ch. Marguax
Big brooding beast, sure will be fantastic, not a load of fun right now. B

1983 Chateau Rauzan Segla,
A bit reticent compared to other bottles Ive had, but still lovely with power and grace. B+/A-

1983 Leoville Poyferre
(cork broke and fell in during double decant, so in a Juge bottle)
Brawny for LP, cassis and gunflint, needs time. B/B+ for now

1983 Pichon Lalande
Cassis and black raspberry, green tobacco leaf, balanced and long, A-

Dry aged steak, snap peas, excellent potatoes

1986 Ducru-Beaucaillou
Corked

1986 Gruaud Larose
I always love this wine, but an especially giving bottle. POwerful, complex, dark fruits with earth and cigarbox, just a hint of Cordier funk. A-/A


1986 Chateau Ducru-Beaucaillou,
Corked.

Some had baked Alaska

1988 Climens
Usual orange marmalade/zest, good color, but shorter than other bottles Ive had. B-/B

1988 Ch. DYquem (375)
Deep, long., classic. A-/B+

Really fun night.

Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C drinkable. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice.Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.


Have not heard from Ian Hoare for years.

Ob FB the other day, discussion came up with Mark, Thor and Joseph Coulter about Andrew, it's been a yea now that nobody has any news.


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