Mat <Ask@me> wrote in message >...
> Pantheras wrote:
>
> > Mat wrote:
> >
> >> If you look through and find any posts of his under Uranium Committee
> >> or particuarly Michael Scarpetti (apologies if I have mispelt, it is
> >> from memory) you will see UC has at least a good knowledge of Italian
> >> wines, but dismisses anything non-Italian as not being as good as
> >> Italian. Also, he has a pathological hatred of the French for reasons
> >> I am not 100% sure about. Given he often uses the language of
> >> hate-mongers like Bill O'Reilly (a nut-job FOX news hatchet man) I
> >> suspect that has something to do with it.
> >
> >
> > His main theme when he descended upon us was than aging wine is
> > nonsense. Any knowledge that he might have of Italian wine is over
> > shadowed by his desire to troll. Anyone that communicates with him
> > is propagating this trolls presence in AFW. Besides I think his
> > real name may be Rosaphilla.
>
> You have a point Pantheras. I remember the ding-dong battles over aging
> of wine, and decanting etc. Both of which viewpoints I disagree with.
>
> However I actually find an occaisonal post or two of his useful.
>
> I just wish, like everyone else, he would not behave the way he does to
> upset the locals. I know if he is a troll that is what he sets out to
> do, but some of his posts are actually informative.
>
> I don't want to overstep my status here (haha, lowest of the low), but
> best just to killfile him if ppl get upset by him. I personally often
> find trolls a source of great amusement and fun, and the wittier ones
> have me in stitches at times.
>
> Its the spammers that kill a group. Wastelands of hundreds of viagra etc
> posts.

I have never said 'aging of wine is nonsense'. I said 'breathing of
wine is nonsense'. I affirm that here again.

Mat <Ask@me> wrote in message >...
> Uranium Committee wrote:
>
> >
> > I do know my Italian wines fairly well, and I find it most distressing
> > that more people don't bother to learn more about the rest of the wine
> > world than California Chardonnay or Cabernet S.
>
> Your knowledge far outstrips mine, not that thats hard. In fact I have
> never had an Italian wine that I can recall.
>
> I find it rather ironic that given your rabid pro-Italian bent you would
> critisize others for doing just that with other wines.

What I find amusing is how lazy so many people are. It's easy just to
go along with trends and buy what's popular or what is advertised.
'Opus One', for instance. Give me a break. Never had any. Never will.
Haven't drunk a Cab since 1978. Don't plan to.

Try a Barbera from Giacomo Bologna, a Trebbiano d'Abruzzo from
Valentini, or a Patrigliano from Taurino and you'll understand what
Italian wine is all about. These wines are as well-made as any in the
world.

Mat <Ask@me> wrote in message >...
> Uranium Committee wrote:
>
> >
> > I do know my Italian wines fairly well, and I find it most distressing
> > that more people don't bother to learn more about the rest of the wine
> > world than California Chardonnay or Cabernet S.
>
> Your knowledge far outstrips mine, not that thats hard. In fact I have
> never had an Italian wine that I can recall.
>
> I find it rather ironic that given your rabid pro-Italian bent you would
> critisize others for doing just that with other wines.

What I find amusing is how lazy so many people are. It's easy just to
go along with trends and buy what's popular or what is advertised.
'Opus One', for instance. Give me a break. Never had any. Never will.
Haven't drunk a Cab since 1978. Don't plan to.

Try a Barbera from Giacomo Bologna, a Trebbiano d'Abruzzo from
Valentini, or a Patrigliano from Taurino and you'll understand what
Italian wine is all about. These wines are as well-made as any in the
world.

Mat <Ask@me> wrote in :

> I don't want to overstep my status here (haha, lowest of the low), but
> best just to killfile him if ppl get upset by him. I personally often
> find trolls a source of great amusement and fun, and the wittier ones
> have me in stitches at times.
>

Dear Mat, many of us *have* killfiled the troll, but you are including his
posts in your replies.

ObWine - picked up a bottle of Fess Parker ATR Pinot Noir 00, anyone tried
it recently? (I haven't decided yet on Thanksgiving dinner)
de

Mat <Ask@me> wrote in :

> I don't want to overstep my status here (haha, lowest of the low), but
> best just to killfile him if ppl get upset by him. I personally often
> find trolls a source of great amusement and fun, and the wittier ones
> have me in stitches at times.
>

Dear Mat, many of us *have* killfiled the troll, but you are including his
posts in your replies.

ObWine - picked up a bottle of Fess Parker ATR Pinot Noir 00, anyone tried
it recently? (I haven't decided yet on Thanksgiving dinner)
de

> >
> > What kind of bugs me is that you seem to be avoiding my main
> > questions in favour of demonstrating your superior knowledge of
> > all things wine.
>
> What main questions? That France "is vastly superior wine-wise over
> Italy"? That's nothing than chauvinist thinking, period.

Don't think I ever said that...read back over my posts. Nope I didn't.
So don't go putting quotes around it brother...
>
> Btw: "so one out of your top seven was a Prosseco" is BS once again.
> It was a Franciacorta which by law has to be made up from chardonnay,
> pinot noir and pinot blanc. Prosecco is a grape variety grown
> extensively in Veneto, not in Lombardia where Franciacorta comes
> from.

So what was your point with your tasting list then if there were no
Prossecos as you implied there were on your lead in? Oh I get it,
basically to be a know-it-all prick and take the opportunity stick it
to me I take it...

>
> I'd rather shout less loud denigrating countries like Italy when
> obviously having so little knowledge about its wines.

I have never beem denigrating about Italy other than to say that its
white wines are mostly average at best and to imply that its sparklers
are not at the level of Champagne's finest. It's red wines are clearly
up there with the world's best. What exactly is denigrating about
saying that?

This is a thread on if France's wines are overrated and I started out
with a friendly post by saying no and here's why I thought they
weren't overrated. I had no intention of getting into Italy whatsoever
until you two turds showed up and started denigrating my words on the
broadness of the French wine experience.

If you wanted to grind me on Italy start a thread on how "Italian
Wines are Underrated" But you know what...I wouldn't participate,
because I don't know that much about Italian wine because I haven't
had the good fortune to spend a lot time in Italy. I freely admit
that...I don't need it shoved in my face.

Also. I have posted here off and on for five years. Its because of
guys like you and UC that I left and rarely ever visit here any more.
I hadn't posted in almost two years and this is the kind of BS I get
on first return...so screw you guys. I don't need it...

> >
> > What kind of bugs me is that you seem to be avoiding my main
> > questions in favour of demonstrating your superior knowledge of
> > all things wine.
>
> What main questions? That France "is vastly superior wine-wise over
> Italy"? That's nothing than chauvinist thinking, period.

Don't think I ever said that...read back over my posts. Nope I didn't.
So don't go putting quotes around it brother...
>
> Btw: "so one out of your top seven was a Prosseco" is BS once again.
> It was a Franciacorta which by law has to be made up from chardonnay,
> pinot noir and pinot blanc. Prosecco is a grape variety grown
> extensively in Veneto, not in Lombardia where Franciacorta comes
> from.

So what was your point with your tasting list then if there were no
Prossecos as you implied there were on your lead in? Oh I get it,
basically to be a know-it-all prick and take the opportunity stick it
to me I take it...

>
> I'd rather shout less loud denigrating countries like Italy when
> obviously having so little knowledge about its wines.

I have never beem denigrating about Italy other than to say that its
white wines are mostly average at best and to imply that its sparklers
are not at the level of Champagne's finest. It's red wines are clearly
up there with the world's best. What exactly is denigrating about
saying that?

This is a thread on if France's wines are overrated and I started out
with a friendly post by saying no and here's why I thought they
weren't overrated. I had no intention of getting into Italy whatsoever
until you two turds showed up and started denigrating my words on the
broadness of the French wine experience.

If you wanted to grind me on Italy start a thread on how "Italian
Wines are Underrated" But you know what...I wouldn't participate,
because I don't know that much about Italian wine because I haven't
had the good fortune to spend a lot time in Italy. I freely admit
that...I don't need it shoved in my face.

Also. I have posted here off and on for five years. Its because of
guys like you and UC that I left and rarely ever visit here any more.
I hadn't posted in almost two years and this is the kind of BS I get
on first return...so screw you guys. I don't need it...

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:37:32 -0300, "Indirecto"
> wrote:

>I'm sorry I offended some of you out there...

No offense as far as I am concerned.

>My post was a result of opening a bottle of 1998 Chateau Magdelaine that I
>bought for about US$40 a bottle, and kind of thinking... "am I missing
>something?".

I think so. I am no expert, but...

Hugh Johnson's Pocket book for 2005 says this is a good vintage but
not yet ready for drinking. Looking at when other vintages have
peaked, I'd guess it will need another 10 years or more to show at its
best.

I don't like young Bordeaux either.

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:37:32 -0300, "Indirecto"
> wrote:

>I'm sorry I offended some of you out there...

No offense as far as I am concerned.

>My post was a result of opening a bottle of 1998 Chateau Magdelaine that I
>bought for about US$40 a bottle, and kind of thinking... "am I missing
>something?".

I think so. I am no expert, but...

Hugh Johnson's Pocket book for 2005 says this is a good vintage but
not yet ready for drinking. Looking at when other vintages have
peaked, I'd guess it will need another 10 years or more to show at its
best.

I don't like young Bordeaux either.

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

>Do you think it's a shame that most winemakers release wine so soon rather
>than waiting for it to be ready to drink? Perhaps the fact that those, at
>least those of whom I am aware at the middling level, who do not release
>before maturity fail to obtain a premium in the market indicates that I am
>alone in this view.
>
I guess the issue is whether the homeowner can store the wine cheaper than the
winemaker. The maker would have to cover the cost of storage and the
opportunity cost of the money tied up. Of course, I have storage costs also,
and such opportunity costs apply, but considering the value of my home, my
storage costs are probably less than those in the great vineyards of Bordeaux,
and certainly less than in Napa Valley.

The market for the top of the line Bordeaux is, after all, an educated market.
Pople who buy these are generally aware about the dumb phase for Bordeaux, and
plan to hold for ten or more years.

Tom Schellberg

>Do you think it's a shame that most winemakers release wine so soon rather
>than waiting for it to be ready to drink? Perhaps the fact that those, at
>least those of whom I am aware at the middling level, who do not release
>before maturity fail to obtain a premium in the market indicates that I am
>alone in this view.
>
I guess the issue is whether the homeowner can store the wine cheaper than the
winemaker. The maker would have to cover the cost of storage and the
opportunity cost of the money tied up. Of course, I have storage costs also,
and such opportunity costs apply, but considering the value of my home, my
storage costs are probably less than those in the great vineyards of Bordeaux,
and certainly less than in Napa Valley.

The market for the top of the line Bordeaux is, after all, an educated market.
Pople who buy these are generally aware about the dumb phase for Bordeaux, and
plan to hold for ten or more years.

Tom Schellberg

So... what about a 1990 rothshild-lafite? (I got it from a woman who was
leaving the country and needed to unload it). Is it ready yet?

-Indirecto


"Timothy Hartley" > wrote in message
...
>
> Has anyone else drunk the 1998 Magdelaine which apparently started this
> thread?
> If so do they agree that it was simply not ready, in the sense that it had
> probably passed that stage of youthful freshness when it could have been
> drunk with some pleasure, albeit much less than awaits in years to come,
> and
> had not reached maturity?
>
> Do you think it's a shame that most winemakers release wine so soon rather
> than waiting for it to be ready to drink? Perhaps the fact that those, at
> least those of whom I am aware at the middling level, who do not release
> before maturity fail to obtain a premium in the market indicates that I am
> alone in this view.
>
> Timothy Hartley

So... what about a 1990 rothshild-lafite? (I got it from a woman who was
leaving the country and needed to unload it). Is it ready yet?

-Indirecto


"Timothy Hartley" > wrote in message
...
>
> Has anyone else drunk the 1998 Magdelaine which apparently started this
> thread?
> If so do they agree that it was simply not ready, in the sense that it had
> probably passed that stage of youthful freshness when it could have been
> drunk with some pleasure, albeit much less than awaits in years to come,
> and
> had not reached maturity?
>
> Do you think it's a shame that most winemakers release wine so soon rather
> than waiting for it to be ready to drink? Perhaps the fact that those, at
> least those of whom I am aware at the middling level, who do not release
> before maturity fail to obtain a premium in the market indicates that I am
> alone in this view.
>
> Timothy Hartley

(th_duck) wrote:

> I have posted here off and on for five years.

Unless you have changed your identity, your first posting in this
group dates August 1, 2002, and is an answer to someone looking
for massage in wine country. Not exactly what I would call "five
years", it's less than half that time.

> Its because of guys like you and UC that I left and rarely ever
> visit here any more. I hadn't posted in almost two years

Mate, get your calendar working. Your first posting here was
August 1, 2002. Then you paused for 10.5 months. Next came your
postings of 2003, two in June, two in July, two in September, four
in October, two in December, and two more in January 2004. Then
you paused until recently. Nowhere I can see "almost two years".

> and this is the kind of BS I get on first return...

BS? Hmmm ...

> so screw you guys. I don't need it...

Bye-bye, and have a nice time.

M.

Indirecto wrote:

> So... what about a 1990 rothshild-lafite? (I got it from a woman who was
> leaving the country and needed to unload it). Is it ready yet?

Not really. It's a very tannic wine from a hot year. If you have decent
storage conditions, put it away for another 10-20 years and it'll be fully
ready. However, if you are unfamiliar with aged Bordeaux, you might enjoy it
more in its youth (in perhaps 5 years).

Mark Lipton

On 23 Nov 2004 01:10:17 GMT, (Xyzsch) wrote:

>>Do you think it's a shame that most winemakers release wine so soon rather
>>than waiting for it to be ready to drink? Perhaps the fact that those, at
>>least those of whom I am aware at the middling level, who do not release
>>before maturity fail to obtain a premium in the market indicates that I am
>>alone in this view.
>>
>I guess the issue is whether the homeowner can store the wine cheaper than the
>winemaker. The maker would have to cover the cost of storage and the
>opportunity cost of the money tied up. Of course, I have storage costs also,
>and such opportunity costs apply, but considering the value of my home, my
>storage costs are probably less than those in the great vineyards of Bordeaux,
>and certainly less than in Napa Valley.

I suspect with my small city-centre home the opposite is true. But
that misses some of the point I think. I could store the wine
elsewhere - and so could the winemaker.

It is rather a question of the winemaker (distributor, importer,
merchant - whatever) providing a service - adding value by using his
discretion on when to release the wines if you like.

I am just about sufficiently motivated to organise storage space, and
keep track of what I have, and guess when it is OK to drink. Many, I
think, would appreciate a correctly matured wine but do not have the
time or motivation to sort this out for themselves. The sad result is
that a lot of wine is drunk too young.

Of course it is, even now, possible to buy older wines, but that too
often means a bit of detective work, and you are more likely to have
to buy by the case.

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

On 23 Nov 2004 01:10:17 GMT, (Xyzsch) wrote:

>>Do you think it's a shame that most winemakers release wine so soon rather
>>than waiting for it to be ready to drink? Perhaps the fact that those, at
>>least those of whom I am aware at the middling level, who do not release
>>before maturity fail to obtain a premium in the market indicates that I am
>>alone in this view.
>>
>I guess the issue is whether the homeowner can store the wine cheaper than the
>winemaker. The maker would have to cover the cost of storage and the
>opportunity cost of the money tied up. Of course, I have storage costs also,
>and such opportunity costs apply, but considering the value of my home, my
>storage costs are probably less than those in the great vineyards of Bordeaux,
>and certainly less than in Napa Valley.

I suspect with my small city-centre home the opposite is true. But
that misses some of the point I think. I could store the wine
elsewhere - and so could the winemaker.

It is rather a question of the winemaker (distributor, importer,
merchant - whatever) providing a service - adding value by using his
discretion on when to release the wines if you like.

I am just about sufficiently motivated to organise storage space, and
keep track of what I have, and guess when it is OK to drink. Many, I
think, would appreciate a correctly matured wine but do not have the
time or motivation to sort this out for themselves. The sad result is
that a lot of wine is drunk too young.

Of course it is, even now, possible to buy older wines, but that too
often means a bit of detective work, and you are more likely to have
to buy by the case.

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

Because I am not familiar with "aged" wines in general (so far I've been
happily sipping fruit-intensive, young wine)... I think I'm gonna keep it
until I learn to appreciate it. Perhaps try to find something else to
progressively understand what the hell I'm supposed to be looking for (and
missing).

-Indirecto



"Mark Lipton" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Indirecto wrote:
>
>> So... what about a 1990 rothshild-lafite? (I got it from a woman who was
>> leaving the country and needed to unload it). Is it ready yet?
>
> Not really. It's a very tannic wine from a hot year. If you have decent
> storage conditions, put it away for another 10-20 years and it'll be fully
> ready. However, if you are unfamiliar with aged Bordeaux, you might enjoy
> it
> more in its youth (in perhaps 5 years).
>
> Mark Lipton
>

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:38:21 -0300, "Indirecto"
> wrote:

>Because I am not familiar with "aged" wines in general (so far I've been
>happily sipping fruit-intensive, young wine)... I think I'm gonna keep it
>until I learn to appreciate it. Perhaps try to find something else to
>progressively understand what the hell I'm supposed to be looking for (and
>missing).

Like you, I used to prefer New World styles. I found I got to
appreciate the French style without any particular effort. I would
not worry about it too much. Just drink what you like.

There's no point in drinking your Lafite now regardless. You can
always sell it later if you decide you will not like it.

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

Mike Tommasi wrote:
> On 22 Nov 2004 06:25:34 -0800, (Uranium
> Committee) wrote:
>
>
>>Mat <Ask@me> wrote in message >...
>>
>>>Uranium Committee wrote:
>>>
>>>>Mat <Ask@me> wrote in message >...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Uranium Committee wrote:
>>>>
>
>>The recent political situation is just icing on the cake. In this,
>>they remain true to form. They could not hold Indochina when the going
>>got tough. They caved. They're wimps.
>
>
> I know that it is tempting to respond to this TROLL that the U___ also
> wimped out of Indochina, but please, PLEASE, for the sake of our News
> clients,
>
> S T O P F E E D I N G T H E T R O L L
>
>
>
> Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France
> email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail


Sorry Mike, I run a pretty fast PC, so large numbers of posts don't
bother me. Plus I use a client side news client (ie not google groups on
http or whatever which is unbearable and totally confusing with long
threads).

So I shall try and be more restrained in the future.

I was just curious about UC.

Mike Tommasi wrote:
> On 22 Nov 2004 06:25:34 -0800, (Uranium
> Committee) wrote:
>
>
>>Mat <Ask@me> wrote in message >...
>>
>>>Uranium Committee wrote:
>>>
>>>>Mat <Ask@me> wrote in message >...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Uranium Committee wrote:
>>>>
>
>>The recent political situation is just icing on the cake. In this,
>>they remain true to form. They could not hold Indochina when the going
>>got tough. They caved. They're wimps.
>
>
> I know that it is tempting to respond to this TROLL that the U___ also
> wimped out of Indochina, but please, PLEASE, for the sake of our News
> clients,
>
> S T O P F E E D I N G T H E T R O L L
>
>
>
> Mike Tommasi, Six Fours, France
> email link http://www.tommasi.org/mymail


Sorry Mike, I run a pretty fast PC, so large numbers of posts don't
bother me. Plus I use a client side news client (ie not google groups on
http or whatever which is unbearable and totally confusing with long
threads).

So I shall try and be more restrained in the future.

I was just curious about UC.

enoavidh wrote:

> Mat <Ask@me> wrote in :
>
>
>>I don't want to overstep my status here (haha, lowest of the low), but
>>best just to killfile him if ppl get upset by him. I personally often
>>find trolls a source of great amusement and fun, and the wittier ones
>>have me in stitches at times.
>>
>
>
> Dear Mat, many of us *have* killfiled the troll, but you are including his
> posts in your replies.

Yes I wondered when someone would say that. I also wonder how many ppl
have killfiled me too solely on the basis of that.

I've never felt the need to use a killfile personally.

O well. :-)



>
> ObWine - picked up a bottle of Fess Parker ATR Pinot Noir 00, anyone tried
> it recently? (I haven't decided yet on Thanksgiving dinner)
> de

>snip discussion about whether winemakers should release fully-matured wines

>I suspect with my small city-centre home the opposite is true. But
>that misses some of the point I think. I could store the wine
>elsewhere - and so could the winemaker.
>It is rather a question of the winemaker (distributor, importer
>merchant - whatever) providing a service - adding value by using his
>discretion on when to release the wines if you like.

I suspect than even though the winemaker and wholesaler could recover the costs
of storage, they want cash flow. Moreover, they do not have the expertise in
managing large inventories of merchandise for many years. So the consumer
independently contracts out for off-site storage after buying young wines.

It's a thin market, but storage facilities are available in most large cities
(I don't know about Canada.) On the other hand, if you live in the middle of
nowhere, as do I, housing prices, and home storage are relatively inexpensive.

Tom Schellberg

(I'll keep buying those futures, and sock 'em away in my air conditioned and
humidifed basement.)

>snip discussion about whether winemakers should release fully-matured wines

>I suspect with my small city-centre home the opposite is true. But
>that misses some of the point I think. I could store the wine
>elsewhere - and so could the winemaker.
>It is rather a question of the winemaker (distributor, importer
>merchant - whatever) providing a service - adding value by using his
>discretion on when to release the wines if you like.

I suspect than even though the winemaker and wholesaler could recover the costs
of storage, they want cash flow. Moreover, they do not have the expertise in
managing large inventories of merchandise for many years. So the consumer
independently contracts out for off-site storage after buying young wines.

It's a thin market, but storage facilities are available in most large cities
(I don't know about Canada.) On the other hand, if you live in the middle of
nowhere, as do I, housing prices, and home storage are relatively inexpensive.

Tom Schellberg

(I'll keep buying those futures, and sock 'em away in my air conditioned and
humidifed basement.)

I can't resist this troll

On 21 Nov 2004 13:29:21 -0800, Uranium Committee
> wrote:

>> to call me a liar. *And* I think that France on the whole delivers a
>> greater wealth of styles than other wine producing nations.
>
> On this there is no comparison. Italy produces a much greater 'wealth
> of styles', because of:

It doesn't.

> 1) Italian rugged individualism

Meaning they never keep to the rules they make for themselves.

> 2) The large variety of grapes

Many of which make wretched gnats****.

> 3) The large variety of climates, soils, etc.

Whereas France's climates and soils are homogenous I suppose.

Your pathological hatred of France and the French invalidates any
comparison you draw. Your inability to resist trolling makes ANY
pronouncement suspect. A great shame, because you _could_ contribute
positively.

The REALLY sad thing is that your ludicrously biased comments tend to make
us lose track of the fact that there many wonderful wines from Italy. But
the SAME can be said of France, Germany, Hungary,Australia, Austria, New
Zealand the USA, Chile & Portugal. To limit oneself to Italian wines is
EVEN sillier than to limit oneself to French wines or indeed wines from
any single country or region. Of course people do, but they limit their
own pleasure.

Michael, Grow up and behave like an adult and start contributing
positively.

Ian Hoare
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"john shaw" > wrote:

> I can't resist this troll

But you did quite well for 15 days?

M.

"Mike Tommasi" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 17:27:21 -0700, "john shaw" >
> wrote:
>
>>I can't resist this troll
>
> Is this really you Ian?

Hi, Mike -

I can assure you that's really Ian. He's been using that operamail account
while here in the States. His review of The French Laundry was issued from
same, wasn't it?

Tom S

"Mike Tommasi" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 17:27:21 -0700, "john shaw" >
> wrote:
>
>>I can't resist this troll
>
> Is this really you Ian?

Hi, Mike -

I can assure you that's really Ian. He's been using that operamail account
while here in the States. His review of The French Laundry was issued from
same, wasn't it?

Tom S

Must be the DT's from knowing he is leaving the Wine Country and heading
toward the east coast.


"Michael Pronay" > wrote in message
...
> "john shaw" > wrote:
>
>> I can't resist this troll
>
> But you did quite well for 15 days?
>
> M.

In ,
Mike Tommasi > typed:

> On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 17:27:21 -0700, "john shaw"
> >
> wrote:
>
>>I can't resist this troll
>>
>>On 21 Nov 2004 13:29:21 -0800, Uranium Committee
> wrote:
>
>>> 1) Italian rugged individualism
>>
>>Meaning they never keep to the rules they make for themselves.
>>
>>> 2) The large variety of grapes
>>
>>Many of which make wretched gnats****.
>
> Reading these lines I have a hard time believing this is Ian...


It was Ian. I was sitting next to him as he typed it.

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"Mike Tommasi" wrote in message

> Reading these lines I have a hard time believing this is Ian...

Yes, see what only a week or two in the States can do somebody as
warm-hearted as Ian.
Imagine what it's like for those of us who were born here! :-(

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"Vincent" > wrote in message
m...
> "Mike Tommasi" wrote in message
>
>> Reading these lines I have a hard time believing this is Ian...
>
> Yes, see what only a week or two in the States can do somebody as
> warm-hearted as Ian.

Naw, it's probably from hanging out for a few days with the likes of moi.
:^D

Tom S