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DaleW 22-06-2014 04:02 PM

TN: old rose, dull NY wine, and a few better wines
 
With sweet potato/kale/white bean korma, the 2010 Stein "Aldegunder Himmelreich" Kabinett Feinherb. Citrusy, slatey, sharp, for my tastes this could use just a touch more sugar to counter the acidity. B-

With leftovers (duck breast, korma,cauliflower) and salad, the 2009 Desvignes "Javernieres" Morgon. A bit tight at first, showing tannin and some red fruit but seemingly coiled, opens up nicely. Sappy, sapid, juicy red and black cherries. earth, mocha, I like this a lot, and it holds up well for 2 days. B+/A-

Wednesday was the start of the local weekly jazz concerts. Riverfront park is closed for renovation of the seawall so concerts are on lawn outside Estherwood, a cool mansion on a local school's property. I carried grilled shrimp over lettuce, sable, and a watermelon/feta salad , plus we shared some wine:

2013 Burlotto "Viridis' Sauvignon Blanc (Langhe)
I'm a Burlotto fan but had never seen this before, I thought it a clean midbodied non-grassy SB, but without anything distinctively Piedmont, and wrote B- when I got home. But what did I expect to find distinctively Piedmont in a SB? Restasting over next 2 nights I liked more- a rather full style of Sauvignon Blanc but with supporting acids, sweet apples and gooseberry, nice texture, good length. B/B+

2013 Umathum "Rosa"
Riper/fuller style of rose, I wish I'd served with more appropriate food- this would have been good with the duck salad. Hint of sweetness, lots of body, a masculine rose. B

2012 Piron Coteaux Bourguignons
All Gamay. Peppery, spicy, cranberry fruit,tart, not very long. B-

2001 Robert Weil Kabinett Halbtrocken
When Weil is mentioned I tend to focus on complaining re prices, but frankly they are almost always VG wines. This has held up well at 13- citrus, mineral, ginger, just a whisper of a lemonade sweetness. Nice finish, drinks well for 2 nights, no hurry on these. B+

2012 Muga Rosado
Sure this was probably fine last summer, but don't buy most roses by the case unless you're going to go through it quick. Flat, cherry, short. C/C+

Thursday was some grilled sausages and leftover wine. Friday was Copper River sockeye (I love the king, but this was well priced), squash, and salad, wine was the 2006 Gouges Bourgogne. Surprising tannin for a Bourgogne (well, maybe not for Gouges), takes a while to open up. Black cherries, earth, some coffee and mushroom with time. The tannins remain pretty firm, taking away from an otherwise charming little wine. On day 2 the tannin was less apparent, but fruit seems faded and some oxidative notes. B

Tonight was scallops over pasta, cooking/sauce wine was the 2011 Benmarl Dry Riesling (Hudson Valley, NY). Sweeter than the halbtrocken (more Slushee than lemonade), clean, could use more zip, not especially Rieslingesque. B-/C+

Couldn't face as the dinner wine, opened the 2010 Schiopetto Friulano (Collio)
Honeysuckle and pear on nose, peaches on palate with a nice bitter almond note on finish. B


Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C drinkable. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice.Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.

lleichtman 22-06-2014 05:33 PM

TN: old rose, dull NY wine, and a few better wines
 
On Sunday, June 22, 2014 9:02:20 AM UTC-6, DaleW wrote:
With sweet potato/kale/white bean korma, the 2010 Stein "Aldegunder Himmelreich" Kabinett Feinherb. Citrusy, slatey, sharp, for my tastes this could use just a touch more sugar to counter the acidity. B-



With leftovers (duck breast, korma,cauliflower) and salad, the 2009 Desvignes "Javernieres" Morgon. A bit tight at first, showing tannin and some red fruit but seemingly coiled, opens up nicely. Sappy, sapid, juicy red and black cherries. earth, mocha, I like this a lot, and it holds up well for 2 days. B+/A-



Wednesday was the start of the local weekly jazz concerts. Riverfront park is closed for renovation of the seawall so concerts are on lawn outside Estherwood, a cool mansion on a local school's property. I carried grilled shrimp over lettuce, sable, and a watermelon/feta salad , plus we shared some wine:



2013 Burlotto "Viridis' Sauvignon Blanc (Langhe)

I'm a Burlotto fan but had never seen this before, I thought it a clean midbodied non-grassy SB, but without anything distinctively Piedmont, and wrote B- when I got home. But what did I expect to find distinctively Piedmont in a SB? Restasting over next 2 nights I liked more- a rather full style of Sauvignon Blanc but with supporting acids, sweet apples and gooseberry, nice texture, good length. B/B+



2013 Umathum "Rosa"

Riper/fuller style of rose, I wish I'd served with more appropriate food- this would have been good with the duck salad. Hint of sweetness, lots of body, a masculine rose. B



2012 Piron Coteaux Bourguignons

All Gamay. Peppery, spicy, cranberry fruit,tart, not very long. B-



2001 Robert Weil Kabinett Halbtrocken

When Weil is mentioned I tend to focus on complaining re prices, but frankly they are almost always VG wines. This has held up well at 13- citrus, mineral, ginger, just a whisper of a lemonade sweetness. Nice finish, drinks well for 2 nights, no hurry on these. B+



2012 Muga Rosado

Sure this was probably fine last summer, but don't buy most roses by the case unless you're going to go through it quick. Flat, cherry, short. C/C+



Thursday was some grilled sausages and leftover wine. Friday was Copper River sockeye (I love the king, but this was well priced), squash, and salad, wine was the 2006 Gouges Bourgogne. Surprising tannin for a Bourgogne (well, maybe not for Gouges), takes a while to open up. Black cherries, earth, some coffee and mushroom with time. The tannins remain pretty firm, taking away from an otherwise charming little wine. On day 2 the tannin was less apparent, but fruit seems faded and some oxidative notes. B



Tonight was scallops over pasta, cooking/sauce wine was the 2011 Benmarl Dry Riesling (Hudson Valley, NY). Sweeter than the halbtrocken (more Slushee than lemonade), clean, could use more zip, not especially Rieslingesque. B-/C+



Couldn't face as the dinner wine, opened the 2010 Schiopetto Friulano (Collio)

Honeysuckle and pear on nose, peaches on palate with a nice bitter almond note on finish. B





Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C drinkable. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice.Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.


Had the 2013 Muga Rosado yesterday at a big RosÚ tasting. Only OK. Not worth the price to me. Several Bandol RosÚs were quite nice but the best of the bunch was the Archery Summit RosÚ of Pinot Noir. Smelled like a nice Oregon Pinot and taste was refreshing. Downside it was $26.

graham[_4_] 22-06-2014 07:03 PM

TN: old rose, dull NY wine, and a few better wines
 
On 22/06/2014 9:02 AM, DaleW wrote:

Thursday was some grilled sausages and leftover wine. Friday was Copper River sockeye (I love the king, but this was well priced), squash, and salad, wine was the 2006 Gouges Bourgogne. Surprising tannin for a Bourgogne (well, maybe not for Gouges), takes a while to open up. Black cherries, earth, some coffee and mushroom with time. The tannins remain pretty firm, taking away from an otherwise charming little wine. On day 2 the tannin was less apparent, but fruit seems faded and some oxidative notes. B


By coincidence I had earmarked some of the 09 for dinner last night.
However, a Burgundy hound (who was in the process of buying 2 cases of
Bonnes-Mares) advised me to hold off for a couple of years.
Graham


Bi!! 24-06-2014 07:35 PM

TN: old rose, dull NY wine, and a few better wines
 
On Sunday, June 22, 2014 11:02:20 AM UTC-4, DaleW wrote:
With sweet potato/kale/white bean korma, the 2010 Stein "Aldegunder Himmelreich" Kabinett Feinherb. Citrusy, slatey, sharp, for my tastes this could use just a touch more sugar to counter the acidity. B-



With leftovers (duck breast, korma,cauliflower) and salad, the 2009 Desvignes "Javernieres" Morgon. A bit tight at first, showing tannin and some red fruit but seemingly coiled, opens up nicely. Sappy, sapid, juicy red and black cherries. earth, mocha, I like this a lot, and it holds up well for 2 days. B+/A-



Wednesday was the start of the local weekly jazz concerts. Riverfront park is closed for renovation of the seawall so concerts are on lawn outside Estherwood, a cool mansion on a local school's property. I carried grilled shrimp over lettuce, sable, and a watermelon/feta salad , plus we shared some wine:



2013 Burlotto "Viridis' Sauvignon Blanc (Langhe)

I'm a Burlotto fan but had never seen this before, I thought it a clean midbodied non-grassy SB, but without anything distinctively Piedmont, and wrote B- when I got home. But what did I expect to find distinctively Piedmont in a SB? Restasting over next 2 nights I liked more- a rather full style of Sauvignon Blanc but with supporting acids, sweet apples and gooseberry, nice texture, good length. B/B+



2013 Umathum "Rosa"

Riper/fuller style of rose, I wish I'd served with more appropriate food- this would have been good with the duck salad. Hint of sweetness, lots of body, a masculine rose. B



2012 Piron Coteaux Bourguignons

All Gamay. Peppery, spicy, cranberry fruit,tart, not very long. B-



2001 Robert Weil Kabinett Halbtrocken

When Weil is mentioned I tend to focus on complaining re prices, but frankly they are almost always VG wines. This has held up well at 13- citrus, mineral, ginger, just a whisper of a lemonade sweetness. Nice finish, drinks well for 2 nights, no hurry on these. B+



2012 Muga Rosado

Sure this was probably fine last summer, but don't buy most roses by the case unless you're going to go through it quick. Flat, cherry, short. C/C+



Thursday was some grilled sausages and leftover wine. Friday was Copper River sockeye (I love the king, but this was well priced), squash, and salad, wine was the 2006 Gouges Bourgogne. Surprising tannin for a Bourgogne (well, maybe not for Gouges), takes a while to open up. Black cherries, earth, some coffee and mushroom with time. The tannins remain pretty firm, taking away from an otherwise charming little wine. On day 2 the tannin was less apparent, but fruit seems faded and some oxidative notes. B



Tonight was scallops over pasta, cooking/sauce wine was the 2011 Benmarl Dry Riesling (Hudson Valley, NY). Sweeter than the halbtrocken (more Slushee than lemonade), clean, could use more zip, not especially Rieslingesque. B-/C+



Couldn't face as the dinner wine, opened the 2010 Schiopetto Friulano (Collio)

Honeysuckle and pear on nose, peaches on palate with a nice bitter almond note on finish. B





Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C drinkable. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice.Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.


I really liked the 2012 Muga Rosada last summer but haven't bought any of this years release. I opened a 2006 Gouges Vaucrains a month ago and it was very tannic almost to the point of being tough and rough. I have a few bottles left but I will be holding them for a long long time.

graham[_4_] 24-06-2014 08:39 PM

TN: old rose, dull NY wine, and a few better wines
 
On 24/06/2014 12:35 PM, Bi!! wrote:

I opened a 2006 Gouges Vaucrains a month ago and it was very tannic almost to the point of being tough and rough. I have a few bottles left but I will be holding them for a long long time.

I also made the mistake opening a bottle of this a few months ago. I
have some of his Clos des Porrets of that year and based on both our
experience, I have put it to the back.
Graham


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