Tuesday was a scorcher, but luckily Dan had good AC as he hosted SOBER at his home. He greeted us with smoked salmon and a nice cheese assortment, and the
1989 Deutz Blanc de Blancs (from mag). Good, long, baked bread and ripe pears, toasty notes. B+

Onto blind wines:
White Blind Flight
Franco nailed Bordeaux immediately, took a while to get wines/vintages
#1- Lemongrass, coconut, good length, I liked more than table. 1985 Laville Haut Brion B+
#2- Nose of wax, wood, & citrus; sweeter/riper than its flightmate, a bit spirity on palate. B+ on nose, B- on palate 1983 Haut Brion Blanc B
Nice wines, but not at current pricing.

Red Blind Flight #1
This took a while, no one immediately thought Burgundy on #1
#1- Some VA, black fruit, spice, tannic. I think people who know the wine thought an unrepresentative showing. Once the VA calmed down I thought good wine, though not very like any GC Burg from good vintage I’ve had. 1993 Drouhin Romanee St Vivant B
#2- Sweet fruit, sandalwood, sturdy. 1993 Bouchard “La Romanee” B+

Red Blind Flight #2
#1 Full, rich, ripe, herby, smoky, beautiful balance. 1987 Mugneret Ruchottes-Chambertin
A-
#2 A bit leaner, but tasty. Black fruits, coffee, I’m shocked how delicious this is once vintage is revealed. 1986 Mugneret Ruchottes-Chambertin B+/A-

A really nice porcini ravioli in sage butter dish appeared about here.

Wanting to savor the Burgs, John asked for a Champagne intermezzo, Dan “Mr. Champagne” obliged. Hmmm, slightly exotic fruit, some sweetness, fennel, a little funky. John gets producer on first guess. NV Andre Beafort Grand Cru Ambonnay (2008 disgorgement) B+


Red Blind Flight #3
Aha, Bordeaux. Takes a few guesses (and arguments over whether Graves is Left Bank)
#1- Beautiful midbodied wine. Black fruits, cigarbox, leather, lovely balance. 1983 Domaine de Chevalier. A-

#2- advanced, a touch pruney, a nice elegant styled wine underneath. Not near as good as a bottle earlier this year. 1983 Ausone B/B-

Osso buco, barley, green beans- yum!

Red Blind Flight #4
Another clear Bordeaux flight.
#1- Someone got 70s Pauillac immediately, took a few guesses till John got wine. Elegant, sturdy, cedar & pencil lead. 1971 Les Forts de Latour B+/A-
#2 Beautful, full, and elegant- wait, it’s not Pomerol? Smooth, velvety, lush yet still with structure. 1971 Magdelaine A/A-

Red Blind Flight #5
#1- Powerful full masculine style of mature Bordeaux. 1967 Latour B+
#2 I was SURE this was a classic 70s CalCab. Good acids, mint/eucalyptus, red fruits, medium bodied. 1968 La Rioja Alta “904” Rioja Riserva B+/A-

Red Blind Flight #6
#1 ripe, spice, coconut, herbs. 1982 CVNE “Vina Real Rioja Riserva B+

#2 Full, rich, black cherries and coffee, herby. 1976 CVNE “Imperial” Rioja Gran Riserva
A-/B+

#3- bretty- horsesweat and bandaid- over dark fruits and herbs 1978 Ch., Beaucastel Chateauneuf du Pape B-

Great night with some great wines.

Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.

On Thursday, July 18, 2013 2:30:20 PM UTC-4, DaleW wrote:
> Tuesday was a scorcher, but luckily Dan had good AC as he hosted SOBER at his home. He greeted us with smoked salmon and a nice cheese assortment, and the
>
> 1989 Deutz Blanc de Blancs (from mag). Good, long, baked bread and ripe pears, toasty notes. B+
>
>
>
> Onto blind wines:
>
> White Blind Flight
>
> Franco nailed Bordeaux immediately, took a while to get wines/vintages
>
> #1- Lemongrass, coconut, good length, I liked more than table. 1985 Laville Haut Brion B+
>
> #2- Nose of wax, wood, & citrus; sweeter/riper than its flightmate, a bit spirity on palate. B+ on nose, B- on palate 1983 Haut Brion Blanc B
>
> Nice wines, but not at current pricing.
>
>
>
> Red Blind Flight #1
>
> This took a while, no one immediately thought Burgundy on #1
>
> #1- Some VA, black fruit, spice, tannic. I think people who know the wine thought an unrepresentative showing. Once the VA calmed down I thought good wine, though not very like any GC Burg from good vintage I’ve had. 1993 Drouhin Romanee St Vivant B
>
> #2- Sweet fruit, sandalwood, sturdy. 1993 Bouchard “La Romanee” B+
>
>
>
> Red Blind Flight #2
>
> #1 Full, rich, ripe, herby, smoky, beautiful balance. 1987 Mugneret Ruchottes-Chambertin
>
> A-
>
> #2 A bit leaner, but tasty. Black fruits, coffee, I’m shocked how delicious this is once vintage is revealed. 1986 Mugneret Ruchottes-Chambertin B+/A-
>
>
>
> A really nice porcini ravioli in sage butter dish appeared about here.
>
>
>
> Wanting to savor the Burgs, John asked for a Champagne intermezzo, Dan “Mr. Champagne” obliged. Hmmm, slightly exotic fruit, some sweetness, fennel, a little funky. John gets producer on first guess. NV Andre Beafort Grand Cru Ambonnay (2008 disgorgement) B+
>
>
>
>
>
> Red Blind Flight #3
>
> Aha, Bordeaux. Takes a few guesses (and arguments over whether Graves is Left Bank)
>
> #1- Beautiful midbodied wine. Black fruits, cigarbox, leather, lovely balance. 1983 Domaine de Chevalier. A-
>
>
>
> #2- advanced, a touch pruney, a nice elegant styled wine underneath. Not near as good as a bottle earlier this year. 1983 Ausone B/B-
>
>
>
> Osso buco, barley, green beans- yum!
>
>
>
> Red Blind Flight #4
>
> Another clear Bordeaux flight.
>
> #1- Someone got 70s Pauillac immediately, took a few guesses till John got wine. Elegant, sturdy, cedar & pencil lead. 1971 Les Forts de Latour B+/A-
>
> #2 Beautful, full, and elegant- wait, it’s not Pomerol? Smooth, velvety, lush yet still with structure. 1971 Magdelaine A/A-
>
>
>
> Red Blind Flight #5
>
> #1- Powerful full masculine style of mature Bordeaux. 1967 Latour B+
>
> #2 I was SURE this was a classic 70s CalCab. Good acids, mint/eucalyptus, red fruits, medium bodied. 1968 La Rioja Alta “904” Rioja Riserva B+/A-
>
>
>
> Red Blind Flight #6
>
> #1 ripe, spice, coconut, herbs. 1982 CVNE “Vina Real Rioja Riserva B+
>
>
>
> #2 Full, rich, black cherries and coffee, herby. 1976 CVNE “Imperial” Rioja Gran Riserva
>
> A-/B+
>
>
>
> #3- bretty- horsesweat and bandaid- over dark fruits and herbs 1978 Ch., Beaucastel Chateauneuf du Pape B-
>
>
>
> Great night with some great wines.
>
>
>
> Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.

Nice Notes, Thanks. What was the WOTN?

On Monday, July 22, 2013 10:37:32 AM UTC-4, Bi!! wrote:
> On Thursday, July 18, 2013 2:30:20 PM UTC-4, DaleW wrote:
>
> > Tuesday was a scorcher, but luckily Dan had good AC as he hosted SOBER at his home. He greeted us with smoked salmon and a nice cheese assortment, and the
>
> >
>
> > 1989 Deutz Blanc de Blancs (from mag). Good, long, baked bread and ripe pears, toasty notes. B+
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Onto blind wines:
>
> >
>
> > White Blind Flight
>
> >
>
> > Franco nailed Bordeaux immediately, took a while to get wines/vintages
>
> >
>
> > #1- Lemongrass, coconut, good length, I liked more than table. 1985 Laville Haut Brion B+
>
> >
>
> > #2- Nose of wax, wood, & citrus; sweeter/riper than its flightmate, a bit spirity on palate. B+ on nose, B- on palate 1983 Haut Brion Blanc B
>
> >
>
> > Nice wines, but not at current pricing.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Red Blind Flight #1
>
> >
>
> > This took a while, no one immediately thought Burgundy on #1
>
> >
>
> > #1- Some VA, black fruit, spice, tannic. I think people who know the wine thought an unrepresentative showing. Once the VA calmed down I thought good wine, though not very like any GC Burg from good vintage I’ve had. 1993 Drouhin Romanee St Vivant B
>
> >
>
> > #2- Sweet fruit, sandalwood, sturdy. 1993 Bouchard “La Romanee” B+
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Red Blind Flight #2
>
> >
>
> > #1 Full, rich, ripe, herby, smoky, beautiful balance. 1987 Mugneret Ruchottes-Chambertin
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> >
>
> > A-
>
> >
>
> > #2 A bit leaner, but tasty. Black fruits, coffee, I’m shocked how delicious this is once vintage is revealed. 1986 Mugneret Ruchottes-Chambertin B+/A-
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> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > A really nice porcini ravioli in sage butter dish appeared about here.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Wanting to savor the Burgs, John asked for a Champagne intermezzo, Dan “Mr. Champagne” obliged. Hmmm, slightly exotic fruit, some sweetness, fennel, a little funky. John gets producer on first guess. NV Andre Beafort Grand Cru Ambonnay (2008 disgorgement) B+
>
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
>
> > Red Blind Flight #3
>
> >
>
> > Aha, Bordeaux. Takes a few guesses (and arguments over whether Graves is Left Bank)
>
> >
>
> > #1- Beautiful midbodied wine. Black fruits, cigarbox, leather, lovely balance. 1983 Domaine de Chevalier. A-
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> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > #2- advanced, a touch pruney, a nice elegant styled wine underneath. Not near as good as a bottle earlier this year. 1983 Ausone B/B-
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> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Osso buco, barley, green beans- yum!
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Red Blind Flight #4
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> >
>
> > Another clear Bordeaux flight.
>
> >
>
> > #1- Someone got 70s Pauillac immediately, took a few guesses till John got wine. Elegant, sturdy, cedar & pencil lead. 1971 Les Forts de Latour B+/A-
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> >
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> > #2 Beautful, full, and elegant- wait, it’s not Pomerol? Smooth, velvety, lush yet still with structure. 1971 Magdelaine A/A-
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > Red Blind Flight #5
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> >
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> > #1- Powerful full masculine style of mature Bordeaux. 1967 Latour B+
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> >
>
> > #2 I was SURE this was a classic 70s CalCab. Good acids, mint/eucalyptus, red fruits, medium bodied. 1968 La Rioja Alta “904” Rioja Riserva B+/A-
>
> >
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> >
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> >
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> > Red Blind Flight #6
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> >
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> > #1 ripe, spice, coconut, herbs. 1982 CVNE “Vina Real Rioja Riserva B+
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > #2 Full, rich, black cherries and coffee, herby. 1976 CVNE “Imperial” Rioja Gran Riserva
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> >
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> > A-/B+
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > #3- bretty- horsesweat and bandaid- over dark fruits and herbs 1978 Ch., Beaucastel Chateauneuf du Pape B-
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > Great night with some great wines.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.
>
>
>
> Nice Notes, Thanks. What was the WOTN?

For me, the Magdelaine.
This group doesn't vote, but know both Ruchottes had advocates.

On Monday, July 22, 2013 12:46:33 PM UTC-4, DaleW wrote:
> On Monday, July 22, 2013 10:37:32 AM UTC-4, Bi!! wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, July 18, 2013 2:30:20 PM UTC-4, DaleW wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > Tuesday was a scorcher, but luckily Dan had good AC as he hosted SOBER at his home. He greeted us with smoked salmon and a nice cheese assortment, and the
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > 1989 Deutz Blanc de Blancs (from mag). Good, long, baked bread and ripe pears, toasty notes. B+
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Onto blind wines:
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> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > White Blind Flight
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Franco nailed Bordeaux immediately, took a while to get wines/vintages
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > #1- Lemongrass, coconut, good length, I liked more than table. 1985 Laville Haut Brion B+
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > #2- Nose of wax, wood, & citrus; sweeter/riper than its flightmate, a bit spirity on palate. B+ on nose, B- on palate 1983 Haut Brion Blanc B
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > Nice wines, but not at current pricing.
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > Red Blind Flight #1
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > This took a while, no one immediately thought Burgundy on #1
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > #1- Some VA, black fruit, spice, tannic. I think people who know the wine thought an unrepresentative showing. Once the VA calmed down I thought good wine, though not very like any GC Burg from good vintage I’ve had. 1993 Drouhin Romanee St Vivant B
>
> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > #2- Sweet fruit, sandalwood, sturdy. 1993 Bouchard “La Romanee” B+
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > >
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> > > Red Blind Flight #2
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > #1 Full, rich, ripe, herby, smoky, beautiful balance. 1987 Mugneret Ruchottes-Chambertin
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > A-
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > #2 A bit leaner, but tasty. Black fruits, coffee, I’m shocked how delicious this is once vintage is revealed. 1986 Mugneret Ruchottes-Chambertin B+/A-
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > >
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> > > A really nice porcini ravioli in sage butter dish appeared about here..
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> >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
>
> > > Wanting to savor the Burgs, John asked for a Champagne intermezzo, Dan “Mr. Champagne” obliged. Hmmm, slightly exotic fruit, some sweetness, fennel, a little funky. John gets producer on first guess. NV Andre Beafort Grand Cru Ambonnay (2008 disgorgement) B+
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> >
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> > > Red Blind Flight #3
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> >
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> > >
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> >
>
> > > Aha, Bordeaux. Takes a few guesses (and arguments over whether Graves is Left Bank)
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > #1- Beautiful midbodied wine. Black fruits, cigarbox, leather, lovely balance. 1983 Domaine de Chevalier. A-
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> >
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> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > #2- advanced, a touch pruney, a nice elegant styled wine underneath. Not near as good as a bottle earlier this year. 1983 Ausone B/B-
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> > >
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> >
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> > >
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> > > Osso buco, barley, green beans- yum!
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > Red Blind Flight #4
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> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > > Another clear Bordeaux flight.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > #1- Someone got 70s Pauillac immediately, took a few guesses till John got wine. Elegant, sturdy, cedar & pencil lead. 1971 Les Forts de Latour B+/A-
>
> >
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> > >
>
> >
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> > > #2 Beautful, full, and elegant- wait, it’s not Pomerol? Smooth, velvety, lush yet still with structure. 1971 Magdelaine A/A-
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> > >
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> >
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> > >
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> > > Red Blind Flight #5
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> > >
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> >
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> > > #1- Powerful full masculine style of mature Bordeaux. 1967 Latour B+
>
> >
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> > >
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> >
>
> > > #2 I was SURE this was a classic 70s CalCab. Good acids, mint/eucalyptus, red fruits, medium bodied. 1968 La Rioja Alta “904” Rioja Riserva B+/A-
>
> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > > Red Blind Flight #6
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> > > #1 ripe, spice, coconut, herbs. 1982 CVNE “Vina Real Rioja Riserva B+
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> > > #2 Full, rich, black cherries and coffee, herby. 1976 CVNE “Imperial” Rioja Gran Riserva
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> > > #3- bretty- horsesweat and bandaid- over dark fruits and herbs 1978 Ch., Beaucastel Chateauneuf du Pape B-
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> > > Great night with some great wines.
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> >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.
>
> >
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> >
>
> >
>
> > Nice Notes, Thanks. What was the WOTN?
>
>
>
> For me, the Magdelaine.
>
> This group doesn't vote, but know both Ruchottes had advocates.

Thanks. Interesting, I never warmed up to Magdelaine as it always seemed to be missing something but I've nver had one as old as a 1971. The 1983 Chevalier is a wine that I've had a few times and Chevalier (rouge) in general seemed to be hit or miss to me.