I was debating whether or not to put some mushrooms on my Risotto
Milanese last night so I popped couple in my mouth to taste them. Not so
good so I opted out ofthe mushroom garnish. I then tried a sip of the
Barbera d'Asti that I had opened. I had orignally wanted to go with
Dolcetto but didn't have any. I suppose a Valpolicella might have been a
little nicer, but the real shock was the absolute horrible vinegar sour
etc taste. As per custom I had Beverly try. She said, "Yumm I like it!"
end result Barbera so so with Osso Bucco but OMG bad with off over the
hill mushrooms!

Joseph Coulter
having found my eternal september settings again!

On Monday, December 10, 2012 3:47:40 PM UTC-7, jcoulter wrote:
> I was debating whether or not to put some mushrooms on my Risotto
>
> Milanese last night so I popped couple in my mouth to taste them. Not so
>
> good so I opted out ofthe mushroom garnish. I then tried a sip of the
>
> Barbera d'Asti that I had opened. I had orignally wanted to go with
>
> Dolcetto but didn't have any. I suppose a Valpolicella might have been a
>
> little nicer, but the real shock was the absolute horrible vinegar sour
>
> etc taste. As per custom I had Beverly try. She said, "Yumm I like it!"
>
> end result Barbera so so with Osso Bucco but OMG bad with off over the
>
> hill mushrooms!
>
>
>
> Joseph Coulter
>
> having found my eternal september settings again!

Depending on the mushrooms, you could have made yourself really sick. I'm assuming these were store bought not picked. Many bolletes can have really negative reactions with alcohol in some folks.

On 12/10/12 5:47 PM, jcoulter wrote:
> I was debating whether or not to put some mushrooms on my Risotto
> Milanese last night so I popped couple in my mouth to taste them. Not so
> good so I opted out ofthe mushroom garnish. I then tried a sip of the
> Barbera d'Asti that I had opened. I had orignally wanted to go with
> Dolcetto but didn't have any. I suppose a Valpolicella might have been a
> little nicer, but the real shock was the absolute horrible vinegar sour
> etc taste. As per custom I had Beverly try. She said, "Yumm I like it!"
> end result Barbera so so with Osso Bucco but OMG bad with off over the
> hill mushrooms!

Very interesting, Joseph. That's the magic of food/wine pairing for you
;-) Did you go back to the risotto? How did the wine taste with it
senza funghi?

Mark Lipton


--
alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.cwdjr.net

On 12/11/2012 07:51 AM, lleichtman wrote:
> On Monday, December 10, 2012 3:47:40 PM UTC-7, jcoulter wrote:
>> I was debating whether or not to put some mushrooms on my Risotto
>>
>> Milanese last night so I popped couple in my mouth to taste them.
>> Not so
>>
>> good so I opted out ofthe mushroom garnish. I then tried a sip of
>> the
>>
>> Barbera d'Asti that I had opened. I had orignally wanted to go with
>>
>>
>> Dolcetto but didn't have any. I suppose a Valpolicella might have
>> been a
>>
>> little nicer, but the real shock was the absolute horrible vinegar
>> sour
>>
>> etc taste. As per custom I had Beverly try. She said, "Yumm I like
>> it!"
>>
>> end result Barbera so so with Osso Bucco but OMG bad with off over
>> the
>>
>> hill mushrooms!
>>
>>
>>
>> Joseph Coulter
>>
>> having found my eternal september settings again!
>
> Depending on the mushrooms, you could have made yourself really sick.
> I'm assuming these were store bought not picked. Many bolletes can
> have really negative reactions with alcohol in some folks.
>

Really? I know that Boletus satanus will make you very sick, and even
more so when combined with alcohol. and there are a small handful that
are simply inedible. I can't think of another one that's particularly
reactive with alcohol.

Certainly are a lot of other somewhat poisonous mushrooms where the
effects are worsened by alcohol, though.

On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 10:21:09 AM UTC-7, Emery Davis wrote:
> On 12/11/2012 07:51 AM, lleichtman wrote:
>
> > On Monday, December 10, 2012 3:47:40 PM UTC-7, jcoulter wrote:
>
> >> I was debating whether or not to put some mushrooms on my Risotto
>
> >>
>
> >> Milanese last night so I popped couple in my mouth to taste them.
>
> >> Not so
>
> >>
>
> >> good so I opted out ofthe mushroom garnish. I then tried a sip of
>
> >> the
>
> >>
>
> >> Barbera d'Asti that I had opened. I had orignally wanted to go with
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Dolcetto but didn't have any. I suppose a Valpolicella might have
>
> >> been a
>
> >>
>
> >> little nicer, but the real shock was the absolute horrible vinegar
>
> >> sour
>
> >>
>
> >> etc taste. As per custom I had Beverly try. She said, "Yumm I like
>
> >> it!"
>
> >>
>
> >> end result Barbera so so with Osso Bucco but OMG bad with off over
>
> >> the
>
> >>
>
> >> hill mushrooms!
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Joseph Coulter
>
> >>
>
> >> having found my eternal september settings again!
>
> >
>
> > Depending on the mushrooms, you could have made yourself really sick.
>
> > I'm assuming these were store bought not picked. Many bolletes can
>
> > have really negative reactions with alcohol in some folks.
>
> >
>
>
>
> Really? I know that Boletus satanus will make you very sick, and even
>
> more so when combined with alcohol. and there are a small handful that
>
> are simply inedible. I can't think of another one that's particularly
>
> reactive with alcohol.
>
>
>
> Certainly are a lot of other somewhat poisonous mushrooms where the
>
> effects are worsened by alcohol, though.

Some people have problems with alcohol and all bolettes.

On 2012-12-11 18:21, Emery Davis wrote:
> On 12/11/2012 07:51 AM, lleichtman wrote:
>> On Monday, December 10, 2012 3:47:40 PM UTC-7, jcoulter wrote:
>>> I was debating whether or not to put some mushrooms on my Risotto
>>>
>>> Milanese last night so I popped couple in my mouth to taste them.
>>> Not so
>>>
>>> good so I opted out ofthe mushroom garnish. I then tried a sip of
>>> the
>>>
>>> Barbera d'Asti that I had opened. I had orignally wanted to go with
>>>
>>>
>>> Dolcetto but didn't have any. I suppose a Valpolicella might have
>>> been a
>>>
>>> little nicer, but the real shock was the absolute horrible vinegar
>>> sour
>>>
>>> etc taste. As per custom I had Beverly try. She said, "Yumm I like
>>> it!"
>>>
>>> end result Barbera so so with Osso Bucco but OMG bad with off over
>>> the
>>>
>>> hill mushrooms!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joseph Coulter
>>>
>>> having found my eternal september settings again!
>>
>> Depending on the mushrooms, you could have made yourself really sick.
>> I'm assuming these were store bought not picked. Many bolletes can
>> have really negative reactions with alcohol in some folks.
>>
>
> Really? I know that Boletus satanus will make you very sick, and even
> more so when combined with alcohol. and there are a small handful that
> are simply inedible. I can't think of another one that's particularly
> reactive with alcohol.

As far as I know, B. satanas is (mildly) poisonous, regardless of
alcohol pairing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boletus_satanas) and
hardly edible, due to its bitter taste and putrid smell (except maybe in
very young specimens)
Now, (some) ink caps are horses of quite a different color
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprinopsis_atramentaria
No idea if you have them there, the shaggy one is a treat


> Certainly are a lot of other somewhat poisonous mushrooms where the
> effects are worsened by alcohol, though.
--
Éric Lafontaine

On 12/11/2012 11:19 AM, Mark Lipton wrote:
> On 12/10/12 5:47 PM, jcoulter wrote:
>> I was debating whether or not to put some mushrooms on my Risotto
>> Milanese last night so I popped couple in my mouth to taste them. Not so
>> good so I opted out ofthe mushroom garnish. I then tried a sip of the
>> Barbera d'Asti that I had opened. I had orignally wanted to go with
>> Dolcetto but didn't have any. I suppose a Valpolicella might have been a
>> little nicer, but the real shock was the absolute horrible vinegar sour
>> etc taste. As per custom I had Beverly try. She said, "Yumm I like it!"
>> end result Barbera so so with Osso Bucco but OMG bad with off over the
>> hill mushrooms!
>
> Very interesting, Joseph. That's the magic of food/wine pairing for you
> ;-) Did you go back to the risotto? How did the wine taste with it
> senza funghi?
>
> Mark Lipton
>
>
The risotto was marvelous (I make a damn fine risotto if I say so
myself) The mushrooms were garden variety store bought buttons that were
over the hill a little bitter but the mix with the wine was off the wall
bad.

On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 2:16:11 PM UTC-7, Eric Lafontaine wrote:
> On 2012-12-11 18:21, Emery Davis wrote:
>
> > On 12/11/2012 07:51 AM, lleichtman wrote:
>
> >> On Monday, December 10, 2012 3:47:40 PM UTC-7, jcoulter wrote:
>
> >>> I was debating whether or not to put some mushrooms on my Risotto
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Milanese last night so I popped couple in my mouth to taste them.
>
> >>> Not so
>
> >>>
>
> >>> good so I opted out ofthe mushroom garnish. I then tried a sip of
>
> >>> the
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Barbera d'Asti that I had opened. I had orignally wanted to go with
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Dolcetto but didn't have any. I suppose a Valpolicella might have
>
> >>> been a
>
> >>>
>
> >>> little nicer, but the real shock was the absolute horrible vinegar
>
> >>> sour
>
> >>>
>
> >>> etc taste. As per custom I had Beverly try. She said, "Yumm I like
>
> >>> it!"
>
> >>>
>
> >>> end result Barbera so so with Osso Bucco but OMG bad with off over
>
> >>> the
>
> >>>
>
> >>> hill mushrooms!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Joseph Coulter
>
> >>>
>
> >>> having found my eternal september settings again!
>
> >>
>
> >> Depending on the mushrooms, you could have made yourself really sick.
>
> >> I'm assuming these were store bought not picked. Many bolletes can
>
> >> have really negative reactions with alcohol in some folks.
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> > Really? I know that Boletus satanus will make you very sick, and even
>
> > more so when combined with alcohol. and there are a small handful that
>
> > are simply inedible. I can't think of another one that's particularly
>
> > reactive with alcohol.
>
>
>
> As far as I know, B. satanas is (mildly) poisonous, regardless of
>
> alcohol pairing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boletus_satanas) and
>
> hardly edible, due to its bitter taste and putrid smell (except maybe in
>
> very young specimens)
>
> Now, (some) ink caps are horses of quite a different color
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprinopsis_atramentaria
>
> No idea if you have them there, the shaggy one is a treat
>
>
>
>
>
> > Certainly are a lot of other somewhat poisonous mushrooms where the
>
> > effects are worsened by alcohol, though.
>
> --
>
> Éric Lafontaine

We get shaggy manes every fall. They don't last long and must be cooked quickly. I make shaggy mane rellenos out of them.

On 12/11/2012 07:08 PM, lleichtman wrote:
> Some people have problems with alcohol and all bolettes.

Interesting, I didn't know that, thanks.

On 12/11/2012 10:16 PM, Eric Lafontaine wrote:
> As far as I know, B. satanas is (mildly) poisonous, regardless of
> alcohol pairing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boletus_satanas) and
> hardly edible, due to its bitter taste and putrid smell (except maybe in
> very young specimens)

I know someone who ate it intentionally and got quite sick. Luckily
it's rare and very easy to identify.

> Now, (some) ink caps are horses of quite a different color
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprinopsis_atramentaria
> No idea if you have them there, the shaggy one is a treat

Yes, they often grow on the front lawn, although we didn't get any this
year (terrible year for cepes also).

On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:38:34 PM UTC-7, Emery Davis wrote:
> On 12/11/2012 10:16 PM, Eric Lafontaine wrote:
>
> > As far as I know, B. satanas is (mildly) poisonous, regardless of
>
> > alcohol pairing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boletus_satanas) and
>
> > hardly edible, due to its bitter taste and putrid smell (except maybe in
>
> > very young specimens)
>
>
>
> I know someone who ate it intentionally and got quite sick. Luckily
>
> it's rare and very easy to identify.
>
>
>
> > Now, (some) ink caps are horses of quite a different color
>
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprinopsis_atramentaria
>
> > No idea if you have them there, the shaggy one is a treat
>
>
>
> Yes, they often grow on the front lawn, although we didn't get any this
>
> year (terrible year for cepes also).

We got almost no bolettes this year. Last year I picked 6 pounds in an hour. This year not quite a pound and it took 3 hours to find them.

On 12/12/2012 03:20 AM, lleichtman wrote:
>> Yes, they often grow on the front lawn, although we didn't get any
>> this
>>>
>>> year (terrible year for cepes also).
> We got almost no bolettes this year. Last year I picked 6 pounds in
> an hour. This year not quite a pound and it took 3 hours to find
> them.


Heh, must be a global phenomenon. We had the same couple to the farm
for Thanksgiving this year as last, they were convinced they'd be
bringing a huge harvest back to Paris with them; in reality, nothing.

What Boletus varieties do you find out there?

On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:05:35 AM UTC-7, Emery Davis wrote:
> On 12/12/2012 03:20 AM, lleichtman wrote:
>
> >> Yes, they often grow on the front lawn, although we didn't get any
>
> >> this
>
> >>>
>
> >>> year (terrible year for cepes also).
>
> > We got almost no bolettes this year. Last year I picked 6 pounds in
>
> > an hour. This year not quite a pound and it took 3 hours to find
>
> > them.
>
>
>
>
>
> Heh, must be a global phenomenon. We had the same couple to the farm
>
> for Thanksgiving this year as last, they were convinced they'd be
>
> bringing a huge harvest back to Paris with them; in reality, nothing.
>
>
>
> What Boletus varieties do you find out there?

We get king and white varieties and last year great. This year meh.