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Hello,
Lo these many moons. Long time no see-um. A few years ago my ISP decided I did not need connection to the User Groups, and discontinued the service. Some attempts at using other means proved fruitless, then other things took over. Nevertheless, I'm back - a short roll call shows the presence of the usual suspects still posting ... During my absence I have passed a few exams in the Swedish tasting group "Munskänkarna" (The Tastevins in Frenglish) and am a sometime lecturer there. I continue to be predominantly Franco/Italophile but have developed a love for NZ and Hunter Valley Semillon.
Enough sentimental waffling already.
---
Me and my wife (Xina to the old guys) are planning a trip to Tuscany and Chianti Classico. We do believe we see a move back to the native grapes of Tuscany (even though wines made with 100% Sangiovese are, formally, IIRC, not allowed under the DOCG), and hopefully, more sustainable practices. Unfortunately, too often we here "respect for the traditions and for the land" repeated as a mantra while one is trying to hide the reverse osmosis kit and the industry sized packages of tartric acid ...
Where do we go? Whom do we visit? WE are not adverse to conversing in broken Italian.

Cheers

Nils

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On Aug 11, 10:23*am, NilsGLindgren wrote:
Hello,
Lo these many moons. Long time no see-um. A few years ago my ISP decided I did not need connection to the User Groups, and discontinued the service. Some attempts at using other means proved fruitless, then other things took over. Nevertheless, I'm back - a short roll call shows the presence of the usual suspects still posting ... During my absence I have passed a few exams in the Swedish tasting group "Munskänkarna" (The Tastevins in Frenglish) and am a sometime lecturer there. I continue to be predominantly Franco/Italophile but have developed a love for NZ and Hunter Valley Semillon.
Enough sentimental waffling already.
---
Me and my wife (Xina to the old guys) are planning a trip to Tuscany and Chianti Classico. We do believe we see a move back to the native grapes of Tuscany (even though wines made with 100% Sangiovese are, formally, IIRC, not allowed under the DOCG), and hopefully, more sustainable practices. Unfortunately, too often we here "respect for the traditions and for the land" repeated as a mantra while one is trying to hide the reverse osmosis kit and the industry sized packages of tartric acid ...
Where do we go? Whom do we visit? WE are not adverse to conversing in broken Italian.

Cheers

Nils



Hello Nils, welcome back. I have always enjoyed visiting with Paolo De
Marchi of Isole e Olena. I'm not a huge fan of the Chianti but I
really like his 100% Sangiovese "Cepperello" and they make a very good
Vin Santo. Paolo has some interesting views on the current state of
Classico and isn't shy about sharing them.
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On 8/11/11 10:23 AM, NilsGLindgren wrote:
Me and my wife
(Xina to the old guys) are planning a trip to Tuscany and Chianti
Classico. We do believe we see a move back to the native grapes of
Tuscany (even though wines made with 100% Sangiovese are, formally,
IIRC, not allowed under the DOCG), and hopefully, more sustainable
practices. Unfortunately, too often we here "respect for the
traditions and for the land" repeated as a mantra while one is trying
to hide the reverse osmosis kit and the industry sized packages of
tartric acid ... Where do we go? Whom do we visit? WE are not adverse
to conversing in broken Italian.


First of all, congratulations to you and welcome back, Nils! Lost access
to Usenet groups is a common problem. If you want an IMO better
solution than Giggle Groups, you might want to try one of the free NSPs
I list below:

news.aioe.org (text groups only, no registration, very reliable)
news.eternal-september.org (ditto, but requires free registration)
news.datemas.de (ditto)
news.tornevall.net (ditto)
usenet4all.se (ditto)

Now, on to your question. I've never toured Chianti, but on the basis
of their wines, I'd seek out the following:

Montevertine in Radda
Fattoria Selvapiana near Rufina
Fattoria di Fèlsina (Castelnuovo Berardenga)

They all seem to welcome visitors and I've loved wines from each of
these estates, Montevertine especially.

Cheers!
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Great to see you here again!

It used to be true that 100% Sangiovese was not admitted, but that changed more than a decade ago. My favorite Tuscan wine Le Pergole Torte (from Montevertine whom Mark mentions) could now be legally Chianti Classico, but stuck with status quo.

I also haven't visited Tuscany, but if I did my list would echo Mark's (and maybe add Fontodi and Castello di Ama).

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On Aug 11, 8:23*am, NilsGLindgren wrote:
Hello,
Lo these many moons. Long time no see-um. A few years ago my ISP decided I did not need connection to the User Groups, and discontinued the service. Some attempts at using other means proved fruitless, then other things took over. Nevertheless, I'm back - a short roll call shows the presence of the usual suspects still posting ... During my absence I have passed a few exams in the Swedish tasting group "Munskänkarna" (The Tastevins in Frenglish) and am a sometime lecturer there. I continue to be predominantly Franco/Italophile but have developed a love for NZ and Hunter Valley Semillon.
Enough sentimental waffling already.
---
Me and my wife (Xina to the old guys) are planning a trip to Tuscany and Chianti Classico. We do believe we see a move back to the native grapes of Tuscany (even though wines made with 100% Sangiovese are, formally, IIRC, not allowed under the DOCG), and hopefully, more sustainable practices. Unfortunately, too often we here "respect for the traditions and for the land" repeated as a mantra while one is trying to hide the reverse osmosis kit and the industry sized packages of tartric acid ...
Where do we go? Whom do we visit? WE are not adverse to conversing in broken Italian.

Cheers

Nils


Our preference was non-Chianti Tuscany, Brunello, and the Piedmont.
The only Chianti producer we really liked was Felsina.


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On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 07:23:07 -0700 (PDT), NilsGLindgren
wrote:

Hello,
Lo these many moons. Long time no see-um. A few years ago my ISP decided I did not need connection to the User Groups, and discontinued the service. Some attempts at using other means proved fruitless, then other things took over. Nevertheless, I'm back - a short roll call shows the presence of the usual suspects still posting ... During my absence I have passed a few exams in the Swedish tasting group "Munskänkarna" (The Tastevins in Frenglish) and am a sometime lecturer there. I continue to be predominantly Franco/Italophile but have developed a love for NZ and Hunter Valley Semillon.
Enough sentimental waffling already.
---
Me and my wife (Xina to the old guys) are planning a trip to Tuscany and Chianti Classico. We do believe we see a move back to the native grapes of Tuscany (even though wines made with 100% Sangiovese are, formally, IIRC, not allowed under the DOCG), and hopefully, more sustainable practices. Unfortunately, too often we here "respect for the traditions and for the land" repeated as a mantra while one is trying to hide the reverse osmosis kit and the industry sized packages of tartric acid ...
Where do we go? Whom do we visit? WE are not adverse to conversing in broken Italian.

Cheers

Nils


Many years ago...way too many...I had a grand experience in the
region. Staying in Florence and went for a grand lunch at a Michelin
one-star in a nearby village. Tiny tables in a small place,
shoulder-to-shoulder. Struggling with the menu a gracious older woman
translated for me then struck up a conversation. She was Tuscan but
had been schooled in New York and was eager to practice her English.

Long story short, she invited us to visit her home the next day and
gave our driver directions.

The "home" was a magnificent property called Villa Belvedere. Probably
two hundred acres of vineyards and olive trees. The house had been
used by the occupying Nazi's in WW II as the general's Hq. The family
now produced Chianti Classico under the Villa Belvedere label. We
tasted wines, enjoyed the visit and took several bottles home.

A recent search revealed that now the property is a bed-and-breakfast.
My point is to roam the area and be open to experiences. Many
incredible things happen in life that way.
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Thanks, all ...
So, to sum it up we have this list:
Fontodi
Castello di Ama
Montevertine in Radda
Fattoria Selvapiana near Rufina
Fattoria di Felsina (Castelnuovo Berardenga) (2 votes)
Isole e Olena (Paolo Marchi)
(Villa Belvedere)
Don't do Chianti Classico, do Morellino di Scansano:
Gianpaolo Paglia's Poggio Argentiera near Grosseto

There is a special reason why it should be Chianti Classico but it is
classified
No real surprises in the list and much what I was considering, will
have to look into their web sites and perhaps correspond in my broken
Italian.
As Ed pointed out, sometimes life springs wonderful surprises, and, if
you taste some good wines in one place and tell them you like them,
they just might send you on to somebody THEY know whom They like,
right?
Mike, I don't know when, or even if, nothing is settled, but, we will
be doing Beaujolais in spring (May 9 - 12), or, rather, I will because
Xina has a conference in Lyon so I thought I could commute to Morgon,
Fleurie etc. After the conference we most likely will spend a few days
up there.
Morellino di Scansano was the first wine to give me a real eye-opener
back in 1996 when we spent ten days in a place called Fonteblanda,
near the coast in Maremma - we passed a small wine shop, stopped and
oogled the Brunellos, and the owner showed us the MdS, opened a
bottle, poured two gigantic glasses ... best MdS I have ever tasted,
bought a few bottles but they did not take well to the journey home
(no AC in the old old car ) and never found any that gave me the
same immediate pleasure.

CHianti has for the last few years been if not everyday drinking, then
at least very common place at the table of the Dynamic Duo - we find
it affordable for a Thursday night when we want something better than
a Côte du Rhone. Mostly Fonterutoli, for some reason.

Your help is vastly appreciated.

Cheers

Nils
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On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:38:13 +0200, Mike Tommasi
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On 13/08/2011 10:41, NilsGLindgren wrote:
Thanks, all ...


Montevertine is one wine I find to be consistently good. One I haven't
tried in a while is Percarlo, I remember it also being a reliable great
wine. Even though neither are my preferred style, cannot help liking them.


About Brunello (should be a new thread...). I know that the @#$%^mess
that is going on there about Sangiovese being not-so-secretly and
illegally cut with abundant Cab is still going on, but consider this (ok
a little polemic):
Sangiovese pure is a recent phenomenon, Sangiovese has alway been cut
with other varieties including white ones, and for good reason (Nils you
know my theory of Souther blends / Northern varietals), consistent with
Southern Rhone, Bordeaux and to some extent even Northern Rhone.

Now WHY NOT blend Sangiovese with Cabernet? If the result is good, then
maybe it's time to revise the DOCG? I mean, DOCG in Italy now means
nothing, there are so many DOCGs now, even for areas with ABSOLUTELY NO
TRADITION of making good wine, and some that do not produce a single
wine that is anything more than mediocre.

Nils please investigate while you are there.

ciao

Mike


Mike, are you talking about IGT in your comments about Sangiovese/Cab
blending? It seems like the "Super Tuscan" buzz of a decade or so ago
has largely quieted down. Does that mean more acceptance, decline of
the novelty, or abandonment of the concept/quality?

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On Aug 13, 4:41*am, NilsGLindgren wrote:
Thanks, all ...
So, to sum it up we have this list:
Fontodi
Castello di Ama
Montevertine in Radda
Fattoria Selvapiana near Rufina
Fattoria di Felsina (Castelnuovo Berardenga) (2 votes)
*Isole e Olena (Paolo Marchi)
(Villa Belvedere)
Don't do Chianti Classico, do Morellino di Scansano:
Gianpaolo Paglia's Poggio Argentiera near Grosseto

There is a special reason why it should be Chianti Classico but it is
classified
No real surprises in the list and much what I was considering, will
have to look into their web sites and perhaps correspond in my broken
Italian.
As Ed pointed out, sometimes life springs wonderful surprises, and, if
you taste some good wines in one place and tell them you like them,
they just might send you on to somebody THEY know whom They like,
right?
Mike, I don't know when, or even if, nothing is settled, but, we will
be doing Beaujolais in spring (May 9 - 12), or, rather, I will because
Xina has a conference in Lyon so I thought I could commute to Morgon,
Fleurie etc. After the conference we most likely will spend a few days
up there.
Morellino di Scansano was the first wine to give me a real eye-opener
back in 1996 when we spent ten days in a place called Fonteblanda,
near the coast in Maremma - we passed a small wine shop, stopped and
oogled the Brunellos, and the owner showed us the MdS, opened a
bottle, poured two gigantic glasses ... best MdS I have ever tasted,
bought a few bottles but they did not take well to the journey home
(no AC in the old old car ) and never found any that gave me the
same immediate pleasure.

CHianti has for the last few years been if not everyday drinking, then
at least very common place at the table of the Dynamic Duo - we find
it affordable for a Thursday night when we want something better than
a Côte du Rhone. Mostly Fonterutoli, for some reason.

Your help is vastly appreciated.

Cheers

Nils


Just an FYI. The folks at Isole e Olena speak English very well.
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Il 11/08/2011 16.23, NilsGLindgren ha scritto:
Hello,
Lo these many moons. Long time no see-um. A few years ago my ISP decided I did not need connection to the User Groups, and discontinued the service. Some attempts at using other means proved fruitless, then other things took over. Nevertheless, I'm back - a short roll call shows the presence of the usual suspects still posting ... During my absence I have passed a few exams in the Swedish tasting group "Munskänkarna" (The Tastevins in Frenglish) and am a sometime lecturer there. I continue to be predominantly Franco/Italophile but have developed a love for NZ and Hunter Valley Semillon.
Enough sentimental waffling already.
---
Me and my wife (Xina to the old guys) are planning a trip to Tuscany and Chianti Classico. We do believe we see a move back to the native grapes of Tuscany (even though wines made with 100% Sangiovese are, formally, IIRC, not allowed under the DOCG), and hopefully, more sustainable practices. Unfortunately, too often we here "respect for the traditions and for the land" repeated as a mantra while one is trying to hide the reverse osmosis kit and the industry sized packages of tartric acid ...
Where do we go? Whom do we visit? WE are not adverse to conversing in broken Italian.

Cheers

Nils


I suggest you to stay here
http://www.podereterreno.it/poderete...Home_page.html
and visit (and buy!) here in primis (100% sangiovese from ever)
http://www.montevertine.it/
then also
http://www.monteraponi.it/ and http://www.volpaia.it/sito/index.php

Luk


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Il 30/08/2011 12.25, Mike Tommasi ha scritto:
On 30/08/2011 12:08, Luk wrote:
Il 11/08/2011 16.23, NilsGLindgren ha scritto:
Hello,
Lo these many moons. Long time no see-um. A few years ago my ISP
decided I did not need connection to the User Groups, and discontinued
the service. Some attempts at using other means proved fruitless, then
other things took over. Nevertheless, I'm back - a short roll call
shows the presence of the usual suspects still posting ... During my
absence I have passed a few exams in the Swedish tasting group
"Munskänkarna" (The Tastevins in Frenglish) and am a sometime lecturer
there. I continue to be predominantly Franco/Italophile but have
developed a love for NZ and Hunter Valley Semillon.
Enough sentimental waffling already.
---
Me and my wife (Xina to the old guys) are planning a trip to Tuscany
and Chianti Classico. We do believe we see a move back to the native
grapes of Tuscany (even though wines made with 100% Sangiovese are,
formally, IIRC, not allowed under the DOCG), and hopefully, more
sustainable practices. Unfortunately, too often we here "respect for
the traditions and for the land" repeated as a mantra while one is
trying to hide the reverse osmosis kit and the industry sized packages
of tartric acid ...
Where do we go? Whom do we visit? WE are not adverse to conversing in
broken Italian.

Cheers

Nils


I suggest you to stay here
http://www.podereterreno.it/poderete...Home_page.html
and visit (and buy!) here in primis (100% sangiovese from ever)
http://www.montevertine.it/
then also
http://www.monteraponi.it/ and http://www.volpaia.it/sito/index.php


I had told Nils in private how somehow I continue to find Montevertine
very nice year after year.
Did not know Monte Raponi. What's it like?


I forgot
http://www.laportadivertine.it/vini/...ssico-riserva/
very good and on the wave of natural wines.
They have in common the basic feature of every good Chianti, i.e. to
grow and ripe at a fairly high altitude, around 400-450 m A.M.S.L.

Luk

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Il 30/08/2011 15.16, Luk ha scritto:

Me and my wife (Xina to the old guys) are planning a trip to Tuscany
and Chianti Classico. We do believe we see a move back to the native
grapes of Tuscany (even though wines made with 100% Sangiovese are,
formally, IIRC, not allowed under the DOCG), and hopefully, more
sustainable practices. Unfortunately, too often we here "respect for
the traditions and for the land" repeated as a mantra while one is
trying to hide the reverse osmosis kit and the industry sized packages
of tartric acid ...
Where do we go? Whom do we visit? WE are not adverse to conversing in
broken Italian.


By the way, if you decided to visit the Scansano area (thing that I
suggest because very beutiful and less crowded than the most famous
Montalcino ecc. ecc.) I recomend you to go eating at "La Cantina" and
ask for some OLD morellino botles (1996 is superb) they still produce.

Luk
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On 8/30/11 9:30 AM, Luk wrote:


By the way, if you decided to visit the Scansano area (thing that I
suggest because very beutiful and less crowded than the most famous
Montalcino ecc. ecc.) I recomend you to go eating at "La Cantina" and
ask for some OLD morellino botles (1996 is superb) they still produce.


Luk,
Whose Morellino do you buy these days? Who are the
traditional/natural producers there?

TIA,
Mark Lipton


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Il 30/08/2011 16.40, Mike Tommasi ha scritto:
On 30/08/2011 16:31, Mark Lipton wrote:
On 8/30/11 9:30 AM, Luk wrote:


By the way, if you decided to visit the Scansano area (thing that I
suggest because very beutiful and less crowded than the most famous
Montalcino ecc. ecc.) I recomend you to go eating at "La Cantina" and
ask for some OLD morellino botles (1996 is superb) they still produce.


Luk,
Whose Morellino do you buy these days? Who are the
traditional/natural producers there?



Poggio Argentiera is really good.


Poggio Argentiera, yes, and Poggio al Toro (noticeable also their blanc
de noir sangiovese), and the morellino of La Cantina, mainly the few old
botles they still have.
Luk
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On 8/30/11 10:49 AM, Luk wrote:

Poggio Argentiera is really good.


Poggio Argentiera, yes, and Poggio al Toro (noticeable also their blanc
de noir sangiovese), and the morellino of La Cantina, mainly the few old
botles they still have.


Thanks, guys. I don't know if you saw it, but I recently posted about a
bottle of Az. Ag. Biologica i Botri di Ghiaccioforte Morellino from 2005
that I opened. How do they compare with the producers you've mentioned?

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