Older Chinon can be a treat, but most people drink it young. For some
wines it's a shame... Santiago and I were treated to an 89 Baudry
"domaine" wine a few years ago that had miles in front of it, and was
awfully good.

When Henri Lambert retired and the business was taken over by son
Pascal, in the old tradition he left a stock of wines to supplement
things for a few years. I bought this 86 in the early 90s as from
Pascal at the domain and have stored it properly since. The fill was
still very high and the long cork perfect. We decanted but did not
leave to breath. Everyone knows its bad to let wine breath.

Somewhat brickish color but still deep. Very distinct nose of red
fruit, hay, mushroom. Perfectly silky mouth feel, and very typical
cabernet franc but with completely resolved tannins, deep fruits, grass,
tobacco. A nice acid balance that made it very refreshing in that good
Loire way. No sign of brett. (Domaine Lambert has been afflicted with
some runaway brett problems in recent years, certainly not the only ones
in Chinon!) Not immensely long, but a very pleasurable drink.

-E

Emery Davis > wrote in news:97vsehF38dU1
@mid.individual.net:

> Older Chinon can be a treat, but most people drink it young. For some
> wines it's a shame... Santiago and I were treated to an 89 Baudry
> "domaine" wine a few years ago that had miles in front of it, and was
> awfully good.

Don't tell people about the greatness of Chinon. Or it will become the new
Bordeaux* and I will also be priced out of it.


>
> When Henri Lambert retired and the business was taken over by son
> Pascal, in the old tradition he left a stock of wines to supplement
> things for a few years. I bought this 86 in the early 90s as from
> Pascal at the domain and have stored it properly since. The fill was
> still very high and the long cork perfect. We decanted but did not
> leave to breath. Everyone knows its bad to let wine breath.

My cellar is not as deep as yours and I started collecting wine much later
than you, but yesterday we opened a bottle of Alliet Vielles Vignes 2003
and it had a funky barnardy note that went with a bit of aireation
(actually, the second half of the bottle was much better today).

I would be again in Angers on October, do you want to meet again at Baudry,
then lunch, then a visit to Huet?

Best,

Santiago
* I am so fed up with the Bordeleais that I am thinking of printing two t-
shirts with the following manifiesto:

"Bordeaux, Je t'aimait!"

and

"Leve BDX for the Chinois.
Buvez de Morgon!"

But we could use Chinon instead of Morgon. And, no, there is no missing
vowel!

On 7/14/11 2:36 PM, santiago wrote:
> Emery Davis > wrote in news:97vsehF38dU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>> Older Chinon can be a treat, but most people drink it young. For some
>> wines it's a shame... Santiago and I were treated to an 89 Baudry
>> "domaine" wine a few years ago that had miles in front of it, and was
>> awfully good.
>
> Don't tell people about the greatness of Chinon. Or it will become the new
> Bordeaux* and I will also be priced out of it.

Unlikely, I'm happy to say. The Big Points Guys (TBPG for future
reference) are not fond on Loire Cabernets as they find them too "green"
and "weedy." If a domaine as awe-inspiring as Baudry isn't already a
"cult" producer, it's probably not going to happen. OTOH, Clos Rougeard
stands as the counterexample.


> I would be again in Angers on October, do you want to meet again at Baudry,
> then lunch, then a visit to Huet?

Stop it! Stop it right now! No more of this envy-inspiring talk, do
you hear?


> * I am so fed up with the Bordeleais that I am thinking of printing two t-
> shirts with the following manifiesto:
>
> "Bordeaux, Je t'aimait!"
>
> and
>
> "Leve BDX for the Chinois.
> Buvez de Morgon!"
>
> But we could use Chinon instead of Morgon. And, no, there is no missing
> vowel!

Chinon would be the logical alternative, unless you're keeping it
secret! ;-) Morgon's for those of us who can't afford much from the
Côte d'Or these days

Mark "Beaujolais Boy" Lipton

--
alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.cwdjr.net

Mark Lipton > wrote in
:
>
> Unlikely, I'm happy to say. The Big Points Guys (TBPG for future
> reference) are not fond on Loire Cabernets as they find them too
> "green" and "weedy." If a domaine as awe-inspiring as Baudry isn't
> already a "cult" producer, it's probably not going to happen. OTOH,
> Clos Rougeard stands as the counterexample.

Clos Rougeard is a property I also would like to visit. I have been told it
is not easy.

Baudry Grezeaux 2009 in magnum... 22 euros in Europe. One case of magnums
for less than one bottle of Cos d'Estournel or Ducru Beaucaillou 2010.

>
>
>> I would be again in Angers on October, do you want to meet again at
>> Baudry, then lunch, then a visit to Huet?
>
> Stop it! Stop it right now! No more of this envy-inspiring talk, do
> you hear?

Angers is a pretty good Universitary town. An academic could find a
colleague in one University there and go for a seminar. And have the
afternoons spare to visit some wineries followed by some serious and
affordable dining.

>
> Chinon would be the logical alternative, unless you're keeping it
> secret! ;-) Morgon's for those of us who can't afford much from the
> Côte d'Or these days
>
> Mark "Beaujolais Boy" Lipton
>
I have Marcel Lapierre Morgon, Dominique Piron Cote du Py, Burgaud Cote du
Py and James... including some 3 liters of 2009s.

s.

On 7/14/11 5:48 PM, santiago wrote:

> Angers is a pretty good Universitary town. An academic could find a
> colleague in one University there and go for a seminar. And have the
> afternoons spare to visit some wineries followed by some serious and
> affordable dining.

International travel isn't so easy for impoverished academics, but we
are overdue for a return to France (and there's my long, sad history
with Emery to someday overcome).




> I have Marcel Lapierre Morgon, Dominique Piron Cote du Py, Burgaud Cote du
> Py and James... including some 3 liters of 2009s.


In '09, I actually preferred the charming Raisins Gauloises to
Lapierre's Morgon. Time may change that impression, but I worry that
'09 may prove too ripe for its own good. I have a few to test these
ideas with, mostly from Tete, Brun and Coudert.

Mark Lipton


--
alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.cwdjr.net

Hi Santiago,

On 07/14/2011 08:36 PM, santiago wrote:
> Emery Davis > wrote in news:97vsehF38dU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
[]
> I would be again in Angers on October, do you want to meet again at Baudry,
> then lunch, then a visit to Huet?
>

Love to meet in October, right now I've got a conference to attend the
22/23 and no other plans. Email me with the dates when you pin them
down, for sure.

> Best,
>
> Santiago
> * I am so fed up with the Bordeleais that I am thinking of printing two t-
> shirts with the following manifiesto:
>
> "Bordeaux, Je t'aimait!"
>
> and
>
> "Leve BDX for the Chinois.
> Buvez de Morgon!"
>
> But we could use Chinon instead of Morgon. And, no, there is no missing
> vowel!

Love to T shirt!

On 07/15/2011 12:06 AM, Mark Lipton wrote:
>> Angers is a pretty good Universitary town. An academic could find a
>> > colleague in one University there and go for a seminar. And have the
>> > afternoons spare to visit some wineries followed by some serious and
>> > affordable dining.
> International travel isn't so easy for impoverished academics, but we
> are overdue for a return to France (and there's my long, sad history
> with Emery to someday overcome).
>

We shall overcome... (sung to the tune of). Anyway, these are
impoverished times for the rest of us, it's not a bad time to be an
academic!

Off to the Drome/Vaucluse tomorrow to stock up on some good budget juice
-- and Nyons EVOO which is more expensive than most of the wine were
likely to buy. But prices are creeping up all over the Rhone valley,
I'm afraid. Thanks Bob.

I love Morgon too but unfortunately I don't have much of any in the cave
right now.

-E