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Should we review supermarket wines?
Eric writes, on another thread
> >Folks, > > I found a very decent and inexpensive Cabernet: Oak Creek 2002. At >$4.00 a bottle it is well worth a try and I must say at twice the cost of >Two Buck Chuck it is more than twice as good ;-). > >Thanks, >Eric > Eric--thank you for the recommendation! Actually, there are dozens of decent $4 (US) cabernets on the market right now---and that's as it should be. There is a huge glut of quality wine in the US right now, and it affords all of us some opportunities. Perhaps we should open up a thread here, on wines under $6, and solicit recommendations. However, it would be more fun if we found some members to post the results of blind tastings on some of these wines (Robert Parker obviously isn't reviewing them). Industry people will often "plant" posts to newsgroups, posing as consumers, and recommend--depending on the newsgroup-- a particular video game, rock album, Hollywood film, mutual fund, etc. However, in this group we have to take it on faith that the recommendation is genuine---and at 4 bucks, who could go wrong, anyway? Eric, I believe your recommendation is genuine and I welcome you to the discussion. I think it's high time we talk about the everyday stuff we drink with chicken or pot roast. A favorite and long-dead writer, Leon Adams, once said (and I am paraphrasing), "Why are we always talking about Sunday wines? [that's what he called them] "There are plenty of other wines which can bring enjoyment to everyday situations". I agree. Even in the Medoc they drink Bordeaux Superior on weeknights. In Burgundy, they drink Beaujolais. I open this to the group: Some of these brands, such as Two-Buck Chuck, or Sea Ridge (Safeway's $3 wine), or Oak Creek, may disappear when the wine lake dries up. Industry forecasts for the late 00s in California suggest that we may return again to shortages of quality everyday wine. But the vinicultural engines of Italy, Spain, Argentina and Australia are already starting to pump massive quantities of really decent, affordable wines to our shores, and also to all of the countries represented in this newsgroup. Some of these made-up brands, such as Oak Creek, go out to target geographic markets, and may be a passing phenomenon. Even Two-Buck Chuck (Charles Shaw) is essentially a localised, California phenomenon--though it is available in some other states. But there are several "hot" international brands, now, from Australia, Chile and Italy. Why not review them? Many years ago, Mouton-Cadet (from Baron Philippe) became an international supermarket wonder, and a number of Burgundy negociants created their cheaper blends of "Chablis", "Puilly Fuisse" and such. And then there was Blue Nun, from Germany. Should we perhaps include some discussions here of these "weekday" wines? Ten years ago, I would have dismissed this idea. But now, with the cost of a "good" bottle of wine surpassing the price of a fine restaurant dinner course for two, shouldn't we reconsider? There ARE, after all, a number of supermarket brands to avoid. I leave this to the newsgroup. What say ye? ---Bob |
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Personally, I read reviews of wines at all price levels with interest. I'd love
to find an under-$5 wine I really enjoyed, but those are few and far between. I'll post a note on the Borsao this week, but even that has crept up to the $6 mark! And the Rex Goliath PN seems to have gone from $5.50 to $7 or $8 locally.Ditto the Iche "Les Heretiques" . But keep the notes coming, so I know what others find worthwhile. Dale Dale Williams Drop "damnspam" to reply |
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Personally, I read reviews of wines at all price levels with interest. I'd love
to find an under-$5 wine I really enjoyed, but those are few and far between. I'll post a note on the Borsao this week, but even that has crept up to the $6 mark! And the Rex Goliath PN seems to have gone from $5.50 to $7 or $8 locally.Ditto the Iche "Les Heretiques" . But keep the notes coming, so I know what others find worthwhile. Dale Dale Williams Drop "damnspam" to reply |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:48:58 -0500, jcoulter
> wrote: <snip> >Not quite supermarket, but KVW's Roodeberg (red mountain, really!) is at >the 8.99 price at one local source a steal, full bodied and moderately >tannic cab blend with a nice finish. It drinks somewhat like Greysac +. That should be KWV, BTW. And at $8.99 it IS a steal, we pay even a tadd more at our local supermarkets in SA! |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:48:58 -0500, jcoulter
> wrote: <snip> >Not quite supermarket, but KVW's Roodeberg (red mountain, really!) is at >the 8.99 price at one local source a steal, full bodied and moderately >tannic cab blend with a nice finish. It drinks somewhat like Greysac +. That should be KWV, BTW. And at $8.99 it IS a steal, we pay even a tadd more at our local supermarkets in SA! |
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LC Geldenhuys > wrote in
: > On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:48:58 -0500, jcoulter > > wrote: > > <snip> > >>Not quite supermarket, but KVW's Roodeberg (red mountain, really!) is at >>the 8.99 price at one local source a steal, full bodied and moderately >>tannic cab blend with a nice finish. It drinks somewhat like Greysac +. > > That should be KWV, BTW. And at $8.99 it IS a steal, we pay even a > tadd more at our local supermarkets in SA! > > Elsewhere it is 12.99 go figure. Still tastes the same;-) |
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:14:38 -0500, jcoulter
> wrote: <snip> >> >> That should be KWV, BTW. And at $8.99 it IS a steal, we pay even a >> tadd more at our local supermarkets in SA! >> >> > >Elsewhere it is 12.99 go figure. Still tastes the same;-) Aah, that's more like it! Although I suspect the profit goes to the supermarkte/importer instead of back to SA ;-) ! |
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LC Geldenhuys wrote:
> Aah, that's more like it! Although I suspect the profit goes to the > supermarkte/importer instead of back to SA ;-) ! > The 2002 KWV Roodeberg is listed for less than 10 Euro even here in Finland, where we are blessed with an alcohol tax on wines. I think I'll find and buy some bottles. I've recently been looking for good red wines that are ready for drinking now. Do you think the 2002 would be ready now? Cheers, -Topi Kuusinen, Finland |
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Topi Kuusinen > wrote in news:E2tfd.253
: > I've recently been looking for good red wines that are ready for > drinking now. Do you think the 2002 would be ready now? > > Cheers, > > -Topi Kuusinen, Finland > > 2002 is what I'm drinking at any rate ;-) |
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"Topi Kuusinen" > skrev i melding ... > LC Geldenhuys wrote: > > I've recently been looking for good red wines that are ready for drinking > now. Do you think the 2002 would be ready now? > Sure - I've had a few of these this year, all drinking well. If you ask me - I'd guess they'll keep up to five years but not necessarily improving - any opinions out there? Anders |
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RobertsonChai wrote: > > Should we perhaps include some discussions here of these "weekday" wines? > > Ten years ago, I would have dismissed this idea. But now, with the cost of a > "good" bottle of wine surpassing the price of a fine restaurant dinner course > for two, shouldn't we reconsider? > > There ARE, after all, a number of supermarket brands to avoid. > > I leave this to the newsgroup. What say ye? > > Bob, You nearly read my mind. I was just contemplating doing my annual/occasional "What are your current house wines?" survey. Of course, this is a bit different from "supermarket" wines in the sense that many denizens of this group will find good, cheap non-mass-market wines such as the Borsao that will grace the shelves of only a few supermarkets (Whole Foods wine selection is usually quite interesting, if overpriced like all else in the store). FWIW, I've recently posted tasting notes on several inexpensive wines, one of which at least is a true supermarket wine: the 2001 Woodbridge California Cabernet. I also posted notes on the 2004 Verramonte Sauvignon Blanc from Chile that retails here in IN for $8.99. The trouble with most supermarket wines is that there is little to recommend them. I remember an issue of the Wine Advocate some years ago where Parker did in fact taste through a selection of jug wines from a supermarket and found one or two to his liking (out of maybe 20). I think having a regular thread of "attractive wines in the under-<arbitrary price> range" would probably fit the bill and provide enough flexibility for the international audience that this newsgroup has. Mark Lipton p.s. My supermarket sells Villa Maria Private Bin SB and six or so different Chiantis. Nyah nyah! :P |
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I'll jump on this thread, but change the subject. My wife and I try to enjoy
the "lesser expensive" wines as much as possible. We're not always successful in picking a $4.99 bottle off the shelf at random, but often we will get lucky and find something we both enjoy. Some of those cheap ones, however (despite being enjoyable), produce most terrible headaches the following morning (for both of us). This never happens with a "better" wine. Any similar experiences? Does anyone know what causes this and is there a way to avoid them (while still finding occasional $5 bargains)? tia \/ |
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"Vincent" > wrote in message
om... > I'll jump on this thread, but change the subject. My wife and I try to enjoy > the "lesser expensive" wines as much as possible. We're not always > successful in picking a $4.99 bottle off the shelf at random, but often we > will get lucky and find something we both enjoy. > > Some of those cheap ones, however (despite being enjoyable), produce most > terrible headaches the following morning (for both of us). This never > happens with a "better" wine. Any similar experiences? Does anyone know what > causes this and is there a way to avoid them (while still finding occasional > $5 bargains)? tia > > \/ You're not alone. Try taking a Tylenol before going to bed. Excedrin also works, but has caffeine, which may cause a different problem. |
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Vincent wrote:
> I'll jump on this thread, but change the subject. My wife and I try to enjoy > the "lesser expensive" wines as much as possible. We're not always > successful in picking a $4.99 bottle off the shelf at random, but often we > will get lucky and find something we both enjoy. > > Some of those cheap ones, however (despite being enjoyable), produce most > terrible headaches the following morning (for both of us). This never > happens with a "better" wine. Any similar experiences? Does anyone know what > causes this and is there a way to avoid them (while still finding occasional > $5 bargains)? tia > Hi Vincent, Just curious, is it "cheap" vs. "better" ... or red vs. white? I have a friend who can't drink red wines of any kind because they give her a headache. She doesn't have any problem with whites in any price range. Like I said, Just curious, Dick R. > > |
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"Mark Lipton" in news:eoEfd.428450$mD.12641@attbi_s02...
> Midlife wrote: > > In my experience it's a pretty well known fact that the tannins > > in Red wines can cause headaches in sensitive individuals. > > Interesting idea, but I think that the tannin/serotonin > connection is mostly concerned with migraines -- and is > controversial even there. > ... > You are aware of the liver toxicity issues with > alcohol/acetominophen? Will no other NSAID work? > > Mark Lipton Thank you for that last bit, Mark (I am a little surprised to see, today, people readily proposing acetaminophen in connection with alcohol, despite all of the publicity of risks that have shown up in various contexts). Histamines have been more usual suspects than tannins, in my own experience of popular theories about wine and headaches. One more specific cause was discussed on this newsgroup (or its predecessor) in the 1980s, the addition of soluble preservatives to some very cheap wines. Soluble sorbates are sometimes used for this in foods, and I have heard of headaches being associated with them, and am pretty sure I have experienced it myself. -- Max |
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Anders Tørneskog wrote:
> Sure - I've had a few of these this year, all drinking well. If you > ask me - I'd guess they'll keep up to five years but not necessarily > improving - any opinions out there? Anders > Thanks for all the information about the drinkability (2002 Roodeberg) now. I'll try and locate a bottle or three and have a go at it. Cheers, -Topi Kuusinen, Finland |
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:02:29 -0700, Midlife > wrote:
>in article , jcoulter at wrote on 10/26/04 11:21 AM: > >> Topi Kuusinen > wrote in news:E2tfd.253 >> : >> >> >>> I've recently been looking for good red wines that are ready for >>> drinking now. Do you think the 2002 would be ready now? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> -Topi Kuusinen, Finland >>> >>> >> >> 2002 is what I'm drinking at any rate ;-) > >I found '01 KWV Roodeberg at a local South African-themed shop in Southern >California, selling for US$16.95. Sounds pretty steep, but I picked up one >bottle to try, based on comments in this thread. > >They also recommended '00 Boschendal "Lavoy" and '01 Migration Cab/Merlot. >Any comments on those? I'm afraid I haven't had these 2 wines before. The Migration, as far as I can tell, does not even retail on the SA market, export only. According to the winemaker, his wines are ‘Consumer-friendly but serious’. The Boschendal Lanoy is a blend that varies from year to year. The 2000 is cab/shiraz/merlot. Boschendal does have a credible reputation in SA, so if it's affordable, give it a try! The Roodeberg, incidentally, (the '01 at least), seems to be a blend of cab, merlot, shiraz and ruby cab. |
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Dear Vincent
A common cause of headaches from wine is high quantities of sulfites. It is known in France that cheaper wines have higher quantities of sulfites as the quality is average and the sulfites are the only thing holding some these wines together. Also, even for good quality wines, higher levels of sulfites are needed in bad years. (When I say high, it is under the legal limit, but at the high end) On saying that, I am seeing more and more top quality French producers lowering there sulfite levels as the quality of the grapes is excellent from good vineyard practices and more careful vinification. Regards Marc "Vincent" > a écrit dans le message de news: ... > I'll jump on this thread, but change the subject. My wife and I try to > enjoy > the "lesser expensive" wines as much as possible. We're not always > successful in picking a $4.99 bottle off the shelf at random, but often we > will get lucky and find something we both enjoy. > > Some of those cheap ones, however (despite being enjoyable), produce most > terrible headaches the following morning (for both of us). This never > happens with a "better" wine. Any similar experiences? Does anyone know > what > causes this and is there a way to avoid them (while still finding > occasional > $5 bargains)? tia > > \/ > > |
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"MC" > wrote in message >...
> Dear Vincent > > A common cause of headaches from wine is high quantities of sulfites. > > It is known in France that cheaper wines have higher quantities of sulfites > as the quality is average and the sulfites are the only thing > holding some these wines together. > > Also, even for good quality wines, higher levels of sulfites are needed in > bad years. (When I say high, it is under the legal limit, but at the high > end) > > On saying that, I am seeing more and more top quality French producers > lowering there sulfite levels as the quality of the grapes is excellent from > good vineyard practices and more careful vinification. > > Regards > > Marc This post rings true for me. I have a coworker whose wife gets terrible headaches from wine sulfites. Her solution is to drink organic (no-sulfite-added) wines from vintners like Frei or Organic Wine Works. My coworker says they taste like dirt; I have never tried them myself. Dan-O > > > "Vincent" > a écrit dans le message de news: > ... > > I'll jump on this thread, but change the subject. My wife and I try to > > enjoy > > the "lesser expensive" wines as much as possible. We're not always > > successful in picking a $4.99 bottle off the shelf at random, but often we > > will get lucky and find something we both enjoy. > > > > Some of those cheap ones, however (despite being enjoyable), produce most > > terrible headaches the following morning (for both of us). This never > > happens with a "better" wine. Any similar experiences? Does anyone know > > what > > causes this and is there a way to avoid them (while still finding > > occasional > > $5 bargains)? tia > > > > \/ > > > > |
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JEP wrote:
> I think sulfites get the blame because of all the marketing hype in > the US about bad, bad sulfites. Andy, IMO, you've hit the nail on the head. If sulfites were as bad as many people think, then bananas and dried fruit would be giving people far worse headaches than wine. The fact is that, despite extensive research, medical science has yet to identify the cause(s) of wine headaches. Given the fact that only in the past decade have people begun to explain why alcohol has a neurochemical effect, this may not be altogether surprising! ;-) Mark Lipton |
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MC (Marc) has nailed it.
> >A common cause of headaches from wine is high quantities of sulfites. > >It is known in France that cheaper wines have higher quantities of sulfites >as the quality is average and the sulfites are the only thing >holding some these wines together. Sulfites cause headaches in some people and adverse reactions in others. Yes, high sulfites can contribute to adverse reactions when drinking wine. It depends on the person. The persons who react to sulfites are extremely rare. But it also depends on how much you drink. If you drink 2 bottles of a high sulfite wine in one evening, you will be drunk mostly, and ALSO suffering from the presumed sulfites. Poor baby. Which in wines are in parts per million, compared to many common foods, like sausage, which have ten thousand more parts per million of sulfites than wine. Did you perchance, have a slice of salame when you drank? You would be a most unusual person, because sulfites in some form or another are found in many of the foods we eat at wine fests--mostly preserved meats. Do you get similarly sick over salame? Sulfites, by the way, only affect in a life-threatening way a miniscule portion of the population. In all of the complaints about wine-drinking I've ever ever heard, the main culprit is alcohol, plain and stupid. You drink too much, and then you complain about your allergies to sulfites. Or histamines. Or tannins. Sorry, this is bullshit. Except for the .0001 per cent of us (and I'm not sure of the exact percentage, but it's extremely small), who are deathly allergic to sulfites and some of the the other ingredients in wine--the painful truth is that it's the ALCCHOL, dammit. Let's be REAL here. You drink a bottle of wine in less than an hour, and you will have aftereffects the next morning. TWO bottles in less than 2 hours, and I guarantee hangover melancholia. You can rationalize this all you want: say what you want about tannins, histamines, fusel oils (in the case of distilled spirits), sulfites, etc. Unless you are one of the miniscule portions of the population which is genuinely allergic to these compounds, it's all alcohol, brother. We need to get real about this: alcohol abuse is not limited to nine Corona beers at a Mexican restaurant, or a fifth of Glenfiddich at a golf tournament; or burning Havanas and Cuban rum at a polo match; or Martinis at yer local watering hole. Hangovers = alcohol abuse, NOT some disaffected notion about, pooh! "sulfites". Please, y'all, get real. I am an apologetic drinker of wine, and sometimes I have abused my privelege. I have been in this business all my professional life. I've been a winemaker of some of Napa's "cult" wines. Please don't spoil our mutual dream. Don't let bogus health claims influence your choice of wine, because it's a pure product, and it's always been, even at the supermarket level. Chemical additives to wine, except SO2 which is a natural product rated in parts per million, simply don't happen. That's all. ---Bob |
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MC (Marc) has nailed it.
> >A common cause of headaches from wine is high quantities of sulfites. > >It is known in France that cheaper wines have higher quantities of sulfites >as the quality is average and the sulfites are the only thing >holding some these wines together. Sulfites cause headaches in some people and adverse reactions in others. Yes, high sulfites can contribute to adverse reactions when drinking wine. It depends on the person. The persons who react to sulfites are extremely rare. But it also depends on how much you drink. If you drink 2 bottles of a high sulfite wine in one evening, you will be drunk mostly, and ALSO suffering from the presumed sulfites. Poor baby. Which in wines are in parts per million, compared to many common foods, like sausage, which have ten thousand more parts per million of sulfites than wine. Did you perchance, have a slice of salame when you drank? You would be a most unusual person, because sulfites in some form or another are found in many of the foods we eat at wine fests--mostly preserved meats. Do you get similarly sick over salame? Sulfites, by the way, only affect in a life-threatening way a miniscule portion of the population. In all of the complaints about wine-drinking I've ever ever heard, the main culprit is alcohol, plain and stupid. You drink too much, and then you complain about your allergies to sulfites. Or histamines. Or tannins. Sorry, this is bullshit. Except for the .0001 per cent of us (and I'm not sure of the exact percentage, but it's extremely small), who are deathly allergic to sulfites and some of the the other ingredients in wine--the painful truth is that it's the ALCCHOL, dammit. Let's be REAL here. You drink a bottle of wine in less than an hour, and you will have aftereffects the next morning. TWO bottles in less than 2 hours, and I guarantee hangover melancholia. You can rationalize this all you want: say what you want about tannins, histamines, fusel oils (in the case of distilled spirits), sulfites, etc. Unless you are one of the miniscule portions of the population which is genuinely allergic to these compounds, it's all alcohol, brother. We need to get real about this: alcohol abuse is not limited to nine Corona beers at a Mexican restaurant, or a fifth of Glenfiddich at a golf tournament; or burning Havanas and Cuban rum at a polo match; or Martinis at yer local watering hole. Hangovers = alcohol abuse, NOT some disaffected notion about, pooh! "sulfites". Please, y'all, get real. I am an apologetic drinker of wine, and sometimes I have abused my privelege. I have been in this business all my professional life. I've been a winemaker of some of Napa's "cult" wines. Please don't spoil our mutual dream. Don't let bogus health claims influence your choice of wine, because it's a pure product, and it's always been, even at the supermarket level. Chemical additives to wine, except SO2 which is a natural product rated in parts per million, simply don't happen. That's all. ---Bob |
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MC (Marc) has nailed it.
> >A common cause of headaches from wine is high quantities of sulfites. > >It is known in France that cheaper wines have higher quantities of sulfites >as the quality is average and the sulfites are the only thing >holding some these wines together. Sulfites cause headaches in some people and adverse reactions in others. Yes, high sulfites can contribute to adverse reactions when drinking wine. It depends on the person. The persons who react to sulfites are extremely rare. But it also depends on how much you drink. If you drink 2 bottles of a high sulfite wine in one evening, you will be drunk mostly, and ALSO suffering from the presumed sulfites. Poor baby. Which in wines are in parts per million, compared to many common foods, like sausage, which have ten thousand more parts per million of sulfites than wine. Did you perchance, have a slice of salame when you drank? You would be a most unusual person, because sulfites in some form or another are found in many of the foods we eat at wine fests--mostly preserved meats. Do you get similarly sick over salame? Sulfites, by the way, only affect in a life-threatening way a miniscule portion of the population. In all of the complaints about wine-drinking I've ever ever heard, the main culprit is alcohol, plain and stupid. You drink too much, and then you complain about your allergies to sulfites. Or histamines. Or tannins. Sorry, this is bullshit. Except for the .0001 per cent of us (and I'm not sure of the exact percentage, but it's extremely small), who are deathly allergic to sulfites and some of the the other ingredients in wine--the painful truth is that it's the ALCCHOL, dammit. Let's be REAL here. You drink a bottle of wine in less than an hour, and you will have aftereffects the next morning. TWO bottles in less than 2 hours, and I guarantee hangover melancholia. You can rationalize this all you want: say what you want about tannins, histamines, fusel oils (in the case of distilled spirits), sulfites, etc. Unless you are one of the miniscule portions of the population which is genuinely allergic to these compounds, it's all alcohol, brother. We need to get real about this: alcohol abuse is not limited to nine Corona beers at a Mexican restaurant, or a fifth of Glenfiddich at a golf tournament; or burning Havanas and Cuban rum at a polo match; or Martinis at yer local watering hole. Hangovers = alcohol abuse, NOT some disaffected notion about, pooh! "sulfites". Please, y'all, get real. I am an apologetic drinker of wine, and sometimes I have abused my privelege. I have been in this business all my professional life. I've been a winemaker of some of Napa's "cult" wines. Please don't spoil our mutual dream. Don't let bogus health claims influence your choice of wine, because it's a pure product, and it's always been, even at the supermarket level. Chemical additives to wine, except SO2 which is a natural product rated in parts per million, simply don't happen. That's all. ---Bob |
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in article , RobertsonChai at
wrote on 11/2/04 1:29 AM: > > Except for the .0001 per cent of us (and I'm not sure of the exact percentage, > but it's extremely small), who are deathly allergic to sulfites and some of > the > the other ingredients in wine--the painful truth is that it's the ALCCHOL, > dammit. > My interest in this topic came from a desire to avoid the headache "prophylactically". I had been taking Acetominophen before going to bed (then was alerted to the liver connection here), but that seemed to be working. I have to believe, in your line of work, you've come across some techniques to help avoid the onset of headache (other than knowing when to stop, of course). It may just be, for me, that I have a set of physiological factors that could amplify the effects of alcohol (no personal reason to think it's anything else). As stated, I am prone to vascular headaches, in which the blood vessels around the brain swell from certain stimuli. What makes it difficult is that the cause/effect thing is not consistent. One thing for sure...... I'm not eliminating wine from my life. |
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in article , RobertsonChai at
wrote on 11/2/04 1:29 AM: > > Except for the .0001 per cent of us (and I'm not sure of the exact percentage, > but it's extremely small), who are deathly allergic to sulfites and some of > the > the other ingredients in wine--the painful truth is that it's the ALCCHOL, > dammit. > My interest in this topic came from a desire to avoid the headache "prophylactically". I had been taking Acetominophen before going to bed (then was alerted to the liver connection here), but that seemed to be working. I have to believe, in your line of work, you've come across some techniques to help avoid the onset of headache (other than knowing when to stop, of course). It may just be, for me, that I have a set of physiological factors that could amplify the effects of alcohol (no personal reason to think it's anything else). As stated, I am prone to vascular headaches, in which the blood vessels around the brain swell from certain stimuli. What makes it difficult is that the cause/effect thing is not consistent. One thing for sure...... I'm not eliminating wine from my life. |
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in article , RobertsonChai at
wrote on 11/2/04 1:29 AM: > > Except for the .0001 per cent of us (and I'm not sure of the exact percentage, > but it's extremely small), who are deathly allergic to sulfites and some of > the > the other ingredients in wine--the painful truth is that it's the ALCCHOL, > dammit. > My interest in this topic came from a desire to avoid the headache "prophylactically". I had been taking Acetominophen before going to bed (then was alerted to the liver connection here), but that seemed to be working. I have to believe, in your line of work, you've come across some techniques to help avoid the onset of headache (other than knowing when to stop, of course). It may just be, for me, that I have a set of physiological factors that could amplify the effects of alcohol (no personal reason to think it's anything else). As stated, I am prone to vascular headaches, in which the blood vessels around the brain swell from certain stimuli. What makes it difficult is that the cause/effect thing is not consistent. One thing for sure...... I'm not eliminating wine from my life. |
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"RobertsonChai" wrote in message
<snip> > Sulfites, by the way, only affect in a life-threatening way a miniscule portion > of the population. In all of the complaints about wine-drinking I've ever ever > heard, the main culprit is alcohol, plain and stupid. > > You drink too much, and then you complain about your allergies to sulfites. Or > histamines. Or tannins. > > Sorry, this is bullshit. No, not the case at all. At 46 years old, I'm well aquainted with hangovers. These are not hangover headaches I am refering to. But one glass of a cheap California white can produce a near-migraine the following morning. Two glasses, full-blast. Same wine, one month later, with another type food... same results. Other wines in-between, no problems!! Why? I can split a 1/2 bottle of Sauternes with my wife, followed by 3/4 of a full bottle of Bordeuax (wife drinks the other 1/4) without the slightest headache (for either of us), ever. Now I'm not trying to single out California, or say that France doesn't make cheap headache producing wines as well, only that the "problem" ones that make it to my supermarket shelf are the cheap whites from California. Most any white will taste "okay" to me, which is why I continue to experiment with them (and do find many that I enjoy that do not cause headaches). But enjoyable reds in the $4.99 - $6.99 price range are harder to come by, so I don't purchase many, thus cannot comment on them. <snip> \/ |
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"RobertsonChai" wrote in message
<snip> > Sulfites, by the way, only affect in a life-threatening way a miniscule portion > of the population. In all of the complaints about wine-drinking I've ever ever > heard, the main culprit is alcohol, plain and stupid. > > You drink too much, and then you complain about your allergies to sulfites. Or > histamines. Or tannins. > > Sorry, this is bullshit. No, not the case at all. At 46 years old, I'm well aquainted with hangovers. These are not hangover headaches I am refering to. But one glass of a cheap California white can produce a near-migraine the following morning. Two glasses, full-blast. Same wine, one month later, with another type food... same results. Other wines in-between, no problems!! Why? I can split a 1/2 bottle of Sauternes with my wife, followed by 3/4 of a full bottle of Bordeuax (wife drinks the other 1/4) without the slightest headache (for either of us), ever. Now I'm not trying to single out California, or say that France doesn't make cheap headache producing wines as well, only that the "problem" ones that make it to my supermarket shelf are the cheap whites from California. Most any white will taste "okay" to me, which is why I continue to experiment with them (and do find many that I enjoy that do not cause headaches). But enjoyable reds in the $4.99 - $6.99 price range are harder to come by, so I don't purchase many, thus cannot comment on them. <snip> \/ |
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