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1970 Chateau St. Julian for the Superbowl
We had a 1970 Chateau La Grande , a third growth wine from St. Julian for
the Superbowl, along with Cassoulet. It had aged very well, as you might guess. It was not over the hill. Obviously the tannins had receded. The fruit was there and seductively enticing. The wine benefited greatly from decanting on Saturday, and drinking it yesterday. I do cover the decanter with cling wrap to limit the oxygen. Our 1970s are drinking very well. We are drinking them, however. Kent -- ,constantly struggling with my level of ignorance |
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1970 Chateau St. Julian for the Superbowl
On Feb 8, 1:23*pm, "Kent" > wrote:
> We had a 1970 Chateau La Grande , a third growth wine from St. Julian for > the Superbowl, along with Cassoulet. It had aged very well, as you might > guess. It was not over the hill. Obviously the tannins had receded. The > fruit was there and seductively enticing. The wine benefited greatly from > decanting on Saturday, and drinking it yesterday. I do cover the decanter > with cling wrap to limit the oxygen. Our 1970s are drinking very well. We > are drinking *them, however. > > Kent > -- > ,constantly struggling with my level of ignorance La Grande? No such third growth. Maybe Lagrange? I also find the 1970 vintage is drinking well, though I'm surprising that it held up to a day's decant. |
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1970 Chateau St. Julian for the Superbowl
"DaleW" > wrote in message ... On Feb 8, 1:23 pm, "Kent" > wrote: > We had a 1970 Chateau La Grande , a third growth wine from St. Julian for > the Superbowl, along with Cassoulet. It had aged very well, as you might > guess. It was not over the hill. Obviously the tannins had receded. The > fruit was there and seductively enticing. The wine benefited greatly from > decanting on Saturday, and drinking it yesterday. I do cover the decanter > with cling wrap to limit the oxygen. Our 1970s are drinking very well. We > are drinking them, however. > > Kent > -- > ,constantly struggling with my level of ignorance >La Grande? No such third growth. Maybe Lagrange? >I also find the 1970 vintage is drinking well, though I'm surprising >that it held up to a day's decant. > > My error, It is Chateau La Grange, a third growth St. Julien. I have a few bottles left. I find, or found because I want to drink half of the old bottle the next day that prolonged decanting always improves an old wine. It's actually quite something. The balance is better; the fruit is more substantial, and the nose is better. I do leave it in the decanter; I do cover it with a bit of nitrogen, and I always wrap it with cling wrap. That slight extra bit of aeration has always made it better. Kent |
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1970 Chateau St. Julian for the Superbowl
On Feb 8, 3:32*pm, "Kent" > wrote:
> > My error, It is Chateau La Grange, a third growth St. Julien. Actually, that is still not right. There is no such thing as Ch. La Grange. The St. Julien is Ch. Lagrange (believe me, it makes a difference sometimes). While still drinkable, this 1970 was far better some years ago - I suggest that you not keep them a lot longer if you want to get the most enjoyment outy of them as it will only decline from here, albeit hopefully slowly. |
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1970 Chateau St. Julian for the Superbowl
On 2/8/10 6:32 PM, Kent wrote:
> My error, It is Chateau La Grange, a third growth St. Julien. I have a few > bottles left. I find, or found because I want to drink half of the old > bottle the next day that prolonged decanting always improves an old wine. > It's actually quite something. The balance is better; the fruit is more > substantial, and the nose is better. I do leave it in the decanter; I do > cover it with a bit of nitrogen, and I always wrap it with cling wrap. That > slight extra bit of aeration has always made it better. I'm very glad to hear that you had a good experience with this wine. I've had some very lovely '70s, but all but the biggest of them are now on the downslope in my experience. As Bill says, I think that you're talking about Ch. Lagrange in St. Julien. I wouldn't wait too long on those other bottles, but I hope that they prove as satisfying as this one was. Mark Lipton -- alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.cwdjr.net |
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1970 Chateau St. Julian for the Superbowl
"Mark Lipton" > wrote in message ... > On 2/8/10 6:32 PM, Kent wrote: > >> My error, It is Chateau La Grange, a third growth St. Julien. I have a >> few >> bottles left. I find, or found because I want to drink half of the old >> bottle the next day that prolonged decanting always improves an old wine. >> It's actually quite something. The balance is better; the fruit is more >> substantial, and the nose is better. I do leave it in the decanter; I do >> cover it with a bit of nitrogen, and I always wrap it with cling wrap. >> That >> slight extra bit of aeration has always made it better. > > I'm very glad to hear that you had a good experience with this wine. I've > had some very lovely '70s, but all but the biggest of them are now on the > downslope in my experience. As Bill says, I think that you're talking > about Ch. Lagrange in St. Julien. I wouldn't wait too long on those other > bottles, but I hope that they prove as satisfying as this one was. > > Mark Lipton > > -- > alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.cwdjr.net > > I agree. It's hard to imagine what aging further would do. The few 1970 1st growths we have have been spectacular, the most recent a Cheval Blanc. There's a bottle of 1970 Latour lying there just screaming at me as I type. I think as well they should be drunk now. If you have thoughts on that please share. Kent |
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1970 Chateau St. Julian for the Superbowl
Kent wrote on Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:32:48 -0800:
> "DaleW" > wrote in message > ... > On Feb 8, 1:23 pm, "Kent" > wrote: >> We had a 1970 Chateau La Grande , a third growth wine from >> St. Julian for the Superbowl, along with Cassoulet. It had >> aged very well, as you might guess. It was not over the hill. >> Obviously the tannins had receded. The fruit was there and >> seductively enticing. The wine benefited greatly >> from decanting on Saturday, and drinking it yesterday. I do >> cover the decanter with cling wrap to limit the oxygen. Our >> 1970s are drinking very well. We are drinking them, however. >> >> Kent >> -- >> ,constantly struggling with my level of ignorance >> La Grande? No such third growth. Maybe Lagrange? >> I also find the 1970 vintage is drinking well, though I'm >> surprising that it held up to a day's decant. >> > My error, It is Chateau La Grange, a third growth St. Julien. I have a > few bottles left. I find, or found because I want to drink half of the > old bottle the next day that prolonged > decanting always improves an old wine. It's actually quite > something. The balance is better; the fruit is more substantial, and > the nose is better. I do leave it in the > decanter; I do cover it with a bit of nitrogen, and I always > wrap it with cling wrap. That slight extra bit of aeration has > always made it better. I wonder about the phrase, "cover it with a bit of nitrogen" since air is roughly 80% nitrogen and, if it did not mix with the air, nitrogen is lighter than air and thus would rise above it. It would take rather a lot of nitrogen to displace the oxygen in the air by mixing. Argon would work being inert and heavier than air but it's not cheap. Carbon dioxide is also heavier than air but it is water soluble and might change the taste of the wine. -- James Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |
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1970 Chateau St. Julian for the Superbowl
"James Silverton" > wrote in message ... > Kent wrote on Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:32:48 -0800: > > >> "DaleW" > wrote in message >> ... >> On Feb 8, 1:23 pm, "Kent" > wrote: >>> We had a 1970 Chateau La Grande , a third growth wine from >>> St. Julian for the Superbowl, along with Cassoulet. It had >>> aged very well, as you might guess. It was not over the hill. >>> Obviously the tannins had receded. The fruit was there and >>> seductively enticing. The wine benefited greatly >>> from decanting on Saturday, and drinking it yesterday. I do >>> cover the decanter with cling wrap to limit the oxygen. Our >>> 1970s are drinking very well. We are drinking them, however. >>> >>> Kent >>> -- >>> ,constantly struggling with my level of ignorance > >>> La Grande? No such third growth. Maybe Lagrange? >>> I also find the 1970 vintage is drinking well, though I'm >>> surprising that it held up to a day's decant. >>> >> My error, It is Chateau La Grange, a third growth St. Julien. I have a >> few bottles left. I find, or found because I want to drink half of the >> old bottle the next day that prolonged >> decanting always improves an old wine. It's actually quite >> something. The balance is better; the fruit is more substantial, and the >> nose is better. I do leave it in the >> decanter; I do cover it with a bit of nitrogen, and I always >> wrap it with cling wrap. That slight extra bit of aeration has >> always made it better. > > I wonder about the phrase, "cover it with a bit of nitrogen" since air is > roughly 80% nitrogen and, if it did not mix with the air, nitrogen is > lighter than air and thus would rise above it. It would take rather a lot > of nitrogen to displace the oxygen in the air by mixing. Argon would work > being inert and heavier than air but it's not cheap. Carbon dioxide is > also heavier than air but it is water soluble and might change the taste > of the wine. > > James Silverton > > You're absolutely right. Blasting nitrogen spray over 100 cubic inches of air on top of leftover wine in a decanter for only 24 hours probably makes no sense. I do use Private Preserve now and then to save remaining wine. http://www.wineenthusiast.com/wine-e...tion-spray.asp I've kept remaining wine to save as long as a month. You pour the remaining wine back into the bottle after rinsing and drying it, then cover with nitrogen spray and recork it. This works well. Thanks very much. Kent |
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