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Australia - the Great Promised Land !
In a speech to the Wine & Spirit Education Trust (UK) Australian winemaker
made some very interesting observations. He said "There is little doubt that Australia will fully develop its abundant potential as a supplier of some of the finest wines of the world as well as consolidate its position as the reliable supplier of "good value for money" commodity wine" "There is little doubt that France and the other "Old World" producers will give up some more of their dominant 70% of market share of internationally traded wine to the "New World" producers in both categories, branded commodity and regionally differentiated premium wine." "There will be a decreasing place for subsidised production lacking market relevance." "The real revolution in world wine production has only just begun, "the big march south". "Climate change, pollution, northern hemisphere land values and population pressures will give added momentum to the inexorable march of global wine production into the southern hemisphere." "This migration is not a threat to the great wines of the Old World but will provide a platform for the emergence of equivalent wines from south of the equator." "Australian agriculture now has the three W's, wheat, wool and wine and the greatest of these will be wine, thanks largely to the consumers of the northern hemisphere but also because of the sublime viticultural qualities of Australia." Full Article at http://www.bibendum-wine.co.uk/news/wset04.pdf This is a long, but interesting read. -- st.helier |
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"st.helier" > wrote in message news:1096163180.472258@ftpsrv1... > In a speech to the Wine & Spirit Education Trust (UK) Australian winemaker > made some very interesting observations. > > He said "There is little doubt that Australia will fully develop its > abundant potential as a supplier of some of the finest wines of the world > as > well as consolidate its position as the reliable supplier of "good value > for > money" commodity wine" > > "There is little doubt that France and the other "Old World" producers > will > give up some more of their dominant 70% of market share of internationally > traded wine to the "New World" producers in both categories, branded > commodity and regionally differentiated premium wine." > > "There will be a decreasing place for subsidised production lacking market > relevance." > > "The real revolution in world wine production has only just begun, "the > big > march south". > > "Climate change, pollution, northern hemisphere land values and population > pressures will give added momentum to the inexorable march of global wine > production into the southern hemisphere." > > "This migration is not a threat to the great wines of the Old World but > will > provide a platform for the emergence of equivalent wines from south of the > equator." > > "Australian agriculture now has the three W's, wheat, wool and wine and > the > greatest of these will be wine, thanks largely to the consumers of the > northern hemisphere but also because of the sublime viticultural qualities > of Australia." > > Full Article at http://www.bibendum-wine.co.uk/news/wset04.pdf > > This is a long, but interesting read. > > -- > > st.helier Well, I for one think this is self serving crap. Sure Australia makes some excellent wines, but I find the vast majority of high powered Barossa shiraz totally unpleasant. Unfortunately a lot of these wines have also become Parkerised; they have high levels of alcohol and are really extractive and what I would call "fruit bombs". I intensely dislike these wines, (eg Lehmann, Rockford and even the hugely overpriced Torbreck), and find it hard to drink more than a glass. I believe that Australians like really strong flavours and dislike sublety in both food and wine. (Before the flames start, I am Australian). Just one example: it is interesting that the vast majority of Aussies prefer Bowen Estate in the years when the style changed to a much higher alcohol extractive style - I prefer the earlier wines. Finally, contrary to the beliefs of some winemakers, Australia has produced VERY few high quality pinots, Phil Jones' Bass Phillip being an obvious exception. Ron |
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"st.helier" > wrote in message news:1096163180.472258@ftpsrv1... > In a speech to the Wine & Spirit Education Trust (UK) Australian winemaker > made some very interesting observations. > > He said "There is little doubt that Australia will fully develop its > abundant potential as a supplier of some of the finest wines of the world > as > well as consolidate its position as the reliable supplier of "good value > for > money" commodity wine" > > "There is little doubt that France and the other "Old World" producers > will > give up some more of their dominant 70% of market share of internationally > traded wine to the "New World" producers in both categories, branded > commodity and regionally differentiated premium wine." > > "There will be a decreasing place for subsidised production lacking market > relevance." > > "The real revolution in world wine production has only just begun, "the > big > march south". > > "Climate change, pollution, northern hemisphere land values and population > pressures will give added momentum to the inexorable march of global wine > production into the southern hemisphere." > > "This migration is not a threat to the great wines of the Old World but > will > provide a platform for the emergence of equivalent wines from south of the > equator." > > "Australian agriculture now has the three W's, wheat, wool and wine and > the > greatest of these will be wine, thanks largely to the consumers of the > northern hemisphere but also because of the sublime viticultural qualities > of Australia." > > Full Article at http://www.bibendum-wine.co.uk/news/wset04.pdf > > This is a long, but interesting read. > > -- > > st.helier Well, I for one think this is self serving crap. Sure Australia makes some excellent wines, but I find the vast majority of high powered Barossa shiraz totally unpleasant. Unfortunately a lot of these wines have also become Parkerised; they have high levels of alcohol and are really extractive and what I would call "fruit bombs". I intensely dislike these wines, (eg Lehmann, Rockford and even the hugely overpriced Torbreck), and find it hard to drink more than a glass. I believe that Australians like really strong flavours and dislike sublety in both food and wine. (Before the flames start, I am Australian). Just one example: it is interesting that the vast majority of Aussies prefer Bowen Estate in the years when the style changed to a much higher alcohol extractive style - I prefer the earlier wines. Finally, contrary to the beliefs of some winemakers, Australia has produced VERY few high quality pinots, Phil Jones' Bass Phillip being an obvious exception. Ron |
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"Ron Lel" > wrote in message
... BIG SNIP > Finally, contrary to the beliefs of some winemakers, > Australia has produced VERY few high quality pinots, Phil > Jones' Bass Phillip being an obvious exception. > > Ron Couldn't agree more Ron. Too many of them are still reminiscent of brown-tinged dilute raspberry cordial - likely to cost $AUD30 plus on release and with tragically early use by dates. Cheers! Martin |
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"Ron Lel" > wrote in message
... BIG SNIP > Finally, contrary to the beliefs of some winemakers, > Australia has produced VERY few high quality pinots, Phil > Jones' Bass Phillip being an obvious exception. > > Ron Couldn't agree more Ron. Too many of them are still reminiscent of brown-tinged dilute raspberry cordial - likely to cost $AUD30 plus on release and with tragically early use by dates. Cheers! Martin |
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Martin Field wrote:
> "Ron Lel" > wrote in message > ... > > BIG SNIP > > >>Finally, contrary to the beliefs of some winemakers, >>Australia has produced VERY few high quality pinots, Phil >>Jones' Bass Phillip being an obvious exception. >> >>Ron > > > Couldn't agree more Ron. Too many of them are still > reminiscent of brown-tinged dilute raspberry cordial - > likely to cost $AUD30 plus on release and with tragically > early use by dates. > Cheers! > Martin > > I can relate to the raspberry cordial angle. Even some of the shiraz I've had lately has been that way. |
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"Mat" <Ask@me> wrote in message ... > Martin Field wrote: > > "Ron Lel" > wrote in message > > ... > > > > BIG SNIP > > > > > >>Finally, contrary to the beliefs of some winemakers, > >>Australia has produced VERY few high quality pinots, Phil > >>Jones' Bass Phillip being an obvious exception. > >> > >>Ron > > > > > > Couldn't agree more Ron. Too many of them are still > > reminiscent of brown-tinged dilute raspberry cordial - > > likely to cost $AUD30 plus on release and with tragically > > early use by dates. > > Cheers! > > Martin > > > > > > I can relate to the raspberry cordial angle. Even some of the shiraz > I've had lately has been that way. > I get more of the blackcurrant cordial, occasionally mixed with toothpaste. Kieran |
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"Mat" <Ask@me> wrote in message ... > Martin Field wrote: > > "Ron Lel" > wrote in message > > ... > > > > BIG SNIP > > > > > >>Finally, contrary to the beliefs of some winemakers, > >>Australia has produced VERY few high quality pinots, Phil > >>Jones' Bass Phillip being an obvious exception. > >> > >>Ron > > > > > > Couldn't agree more Ron. Too many of them are still > > reminiscent of brown-tinged dilute raspberry cordial - > > likely to cost $AUD30 plus on release and with tragically > > early use by dates. > > Cheers! > > Martin > > > > > > I can relate to the raspberry cordial angle. Even some of the shiraz > I've had lately has been that way. > I get more of the blackcurrant cordial, occasionally mixed with toothpaste. Kieran |
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Kieran Dyke wrote:
> "Mat" <Ask@me> wrote in message ... > >>Martin Field wrote: >> >>>"Ron Lel" > wrote in message ... >>> >>>BIG SNIP >>> >>> >>> >>>>Finally, contrary to the beliefs of some winemakers, >>>>Australia has produced VERY few high quality pinots, Phil >>>>Jones' Bass Phillip being an obvious exception. >>>> >>>>Ron >>> >>> >>>Couldn't agree more Ron. Too many of them are still >>>reminiscent of brown-tinged dilute raspberry cordial - >>>likely to cost $AUD30 plus on release and with tragically >>>early use by dates. >>>Cheers! >>>Martin >>> >>> >> >>I can relate to the raspberry cordial angle. Even some of the shiraz >>I've had lately has been that way. >> > > > I get more of the blackcurrant cordial, occasionally mixed with toothpaste. > > Kieran > > Haha, yes, ur right! It still has a rather peculiar thin, sweat, sticky quality. Which to my mind would require shipping it out as a cleanskin, and starting again. Or at least making some attempt to mask it. I have a bad feeling that is the way it is being made deliberately. Are we to expect this to become a trend in Oz wines? I really hope not. Wine for the sweet, carbonated mixer generation maybe? Ppl my age, and younger (mid-20's) are flocking to wine, spirit sales are down approx 25%. Mixers are up (the ultra sweet, ultra fizzy pre-mixed drinks), but wine is strong too. So why the panic to market to generation now? More and more ppl I know are flocking to wine. Once someone "gets into" wine, they tend to drink it a lot. I hardly ever drink beer, or spirits these days (in fact I forget the last time I bought a slab or a bottle of spirits). Nor do ppl I know who have been converted. Wine is just so much more versatile (suits all tastes), and obviously goes with food. And is good for you. The only time I wouldn't drink wine would be at a non-BYO restaurant (I simply refuse to pay 4-6 times more for a bottle I could literally walk across the street and buy), or at a nightclub. I just hope the ppl in the industry with the power to avert this do just that. We don't need marketting hype to ruin something else. |
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