I just read another paid, glowing profile of J. Lohr in Sante magazine
and have to ask: Who are they kidding? The wines are really plain and
common, including the "high end" wines Lohr claims equals the quality
of Bordeaux.

Like other major advertisers in Sante who buy a certain number of full
page ads per year, Lohr was given such an "industry leader profile" as
part of the written advertising contract.

It's a shame J. Lohr cannot make it on the quality of its wines
instead of having to buy favorable press. I'll take Riunite on ice any
day.

That is too bad. I like J Lohr as an every day drinking wine. In fact
recently I had the 99 Hillside at a restaurant in Las Vegas as the wine list
was fairly picked over at Gallaghers Steak House in the NY NY Casino and it
drank quite well.

It is not a blockbuster but at a retail of about $22 for the Hillside I
don't think you should expect Chateau Margaux either.


"Ken Sternberg" > wrote in message
om...
> I just read another paid, glowing profile of J. Lohr in Sante magazine
> and have to ask: Who are they kidding? The wines are really plain and
> common, including the "high end" wines Lohr claims equals the quality
> of Bordeaux.
>
> Like other major advertisers in Sante who buy a certain number of full
> page ads per year, Lohr was given such an "industry leader profile" as
> part of the written advertising contract.
>
> It's a shame J. Lohr cannot make it on the quality of its wines
> instead of having to buy favorable press. I'll take Riunite on ice any
> day.

"Ken Sternberg" > wrote in message
om...
> I just read another paid, glowing profile of J. Lohr in Sante magazine
> and have to ask: Who are they kidding? The wines are really plain and
> common, including the "high end" wines Lohr claims equals the quality
> of Bordeaux.
>
> Like other major advertisers in Sante who buy a certain number of full
> page ads per year, Lohr was given such an "industry leader profile" as
> part of the written advertising contract.
>
> It's a shame J. Lohr cannot make it on the quality of its wines
> instead of having to buy favorable press. I'll take Riunite on ice any
> day.

That's a little harsh, I'd say.

While they don't make anything that can compete with the best in France (or
California), their wines are pretty solid as far as QPR goes.

Hey, what do you expect for ~$20US/btl?

Tom S

Salut/Hi Tom S,

le/on Tue, 04 May 2004 04:08:46 GMT, tu disais/you said:-

>> It's a shame J. Lohr cannot make it on the quality of its wines
>> instead of having to buy favorable press. I'll take Riunite on ice any
>> day.
>
>That's a little harsh, I'd say.
>
>While they don't make anything that can compete with the best in France (or
>California), their wines are pretty solid as far as QPR goes.
>
>Hey, what do you expect for ~$20US/btl?

Luc de Conti's top Moulin des Dames. Even a good village Burgundy from a top
producer, since you ask.

Smirk.
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Nice Cheap wine. The only real reason to live and visit France:-)


"Ian Hoare" > wrote in message
...
> Salut/Hi Tom S,
>
> le/on Tue, 04 May 2004 04:08:46 GMT, tu disais/you said:-
>
> >> It's a shame J. Lohr cannot make it on the quality of its wines
> >> instead of having to buy favorable press. I'll take Riunite on ice any
> >> day.
> >
> >That's a little harsh, I'd say.
> >
> >While they don't make anything that can compete with the best in France
(or
> >California), their wines are pretty solid as far as QPR goes.
> >
> >Hey, what do you expect for ~$20US/btl?
>
> Luc de Conti's top Moulin des Dames. Even a good village Burgundy from a
top
> producer, since you ask.
>
> Smirk.
> --
> All the Best
> Ian Hoare
> http://www.souvigne.com
> mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

I've generally found the lower-end reds to be good if uninspiring values- the 7
Oaks bottling is often on lists at non-wine-centric restaurants at around
$20-25. A safe choice with a hunk of beef.

Their upper-end offerings leave much to be desired. The "Cuvee St. E" doesn't
stand up to a good Montagne-St-Émilion, much less an equivalently priced wine
from the actual appelation.
Dale

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"dick" > wrote in message
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> Nice Cheap wine. The only real reason to live and visit France:-)

Saved by the smiley! :^/

I'm looking forward to my next trip to France. Been twice and found it very
beautiful in May. Good food and wine is only part of it. Even the people
are mostly nice if one is polite.

One thing that's different from the USA that you have to be aware of: The
left lane on the freeway is _only_ for passing. Drive in it for long and
you get a lot of angry glares and yelling. :^(

Tom S

*laughs* don't forget to mention that a lot of french people can't or
won't drive properly so keep alert at all times

>
> One thing that's different from the USA that you have to be aware of: The
> left lane on the freeway is _only_ for passing. Drive in it for long and
> you get a lot of angry glares and yelling. :^(
>
> Tom S
>
>

On Tue, 04 May 2004 12:32:28 GMT, "Tom S" > said:

]
] "dick" > wrote in message
] ink.net...
] > Nice Cheap wine. The only real reason to live and visit France:-)
]
] Saved by the smiley! :^/
]

Hmm...

] I'm looking forward to my next trip to France. Been twice and found it very
] beautiful in May. Good food and wine is only part of it. Even the people
] are mostly nice if one is polite.
]

Tom, will you be up around here at all? Or even in Paris? I'd love to
get a gander at some of the famous Ch. Burbank!

] One thing that's different from the USA that you have to be aware of: The
] left lane on the freeway is _only_ for passing. Drive in it for long and
] you get a lot of angry glares and yelling. :^(
]

Used to be that way in the US, long ago. In most states I believe that
the left lane is still recommended for passing, but in France it is a violation
to travel in it.

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"Ian Hoare" > wrote in message
...
> Salut/Hi Tom S,
>
> le/on Tue, 04 May 2004 04:08:46 GMT, tu disais/you said:-
>
> >> It's a shame J. Lohr cannot make it on the quality of its wines
> >> instead of having to buy favorable press. I'll take Riunite on ice any
> >> day.
> >
> >That's a little harsh, I'd say.
> >
> >While they don't make anything that can compete with the best in France
(or
> >California), their wines are pretty solid as far as QPR goes.
> >
> >Hey, what do you expect for ~$20US/btl?
>
> Luc de Conti's top Moulin des Dames. Even a good village Burgundy from a
top
> producer, since you ask.
>
> Smirk.

Ouch, no fair! :^(

Besides, a "good village Burgundy from a top producer" would _easily_ be
$5US more than that here - assuming you can reliably _find_ such a beast
here, that is...

Tom S

On Tue, 4 May 2004 08:37:07 -0700, "Tom S" > said:

]
] "Emery Davis" > wrote in message
] . ..
] > Tom, will you be up around here at all? Or even in Paris? I'd love to
] > get a gander at some of the famous Ch. Burbank!
]
] Hi, Emery -
] Just where _is_ "around here"? Somewhere in France? Somehow I had the idea
] you lived in Australia.
]

Nope, Normandy. But I do get in to Paris regularly enough, if you were to be
there I could schedule to meet you.

] As for the wine, I'd be happy to send you some, but that hasn't gone too
] well lately for me. Sea mail used to work, but the post office has been
] getting very picky about what they will ship lately.
]

Really. Certainly wouldn't be a problem for the french P.O., they even sell
bottle and mag shippers in every branch! I'd love to try it, if you're willing...

] I'm hopeful that the AFW get-together that was tentatively scheduled for
] this year will happen next year. I'll be sure to bring some coals to
] Newcastle, as it were. ;^)
]

Not too much of your style here, I don't gather! But the get-together is
bound to be chez Ian, and unfortunately a trip down there is simply not
possible at this time.

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"Emery Davis" > wrote in message
. ..
> Tom, will you be up around here at all? Or even in Paris? I'd love to
> get a gander at some of the famous Ch. Burbank!

Hi, Emery -
Just where _is_ "around here"? Somewhere in France? Somehow I had the idea
you lived in Australia.

As for the wine, I'd be happy to send you some, but that hasn't gone too
well lately for me. Sea mail used to work, but the post office has been
getting very picky about what they will ship lately.

I'm hopeful that the AFW get-together that was tentatively scheduled for
this year will happen next year. I'll be sure to bring some coals to
Newcastle, as it were. ;^)

Tom S

>I'm looking forward to my next trip to France. Been twice and found it very
>beautiful in May. Good food and wine is only part of it. Even the people
>are mostly nice if one is polite.
>

I'm going in June to Paris and Champagne. The other driving issue is the
priority from the right which takes some getting used to on country roads!
Bi!!

"RV WRLee" > wrote in message
...
> I'm going in June to Paris and Champagne. The other driving issue is the
> priority from the right which takes some getting used to on country roads!

Please explain "priority from the right". Is that different from here in
the USA?

Tom S

On Tue, 4 May 2004 10:33:00 -0700, "Tom S" > said:

]
] "RV WRLee" > wrote in message
] ...
] > I'm going in June to Paris and Champagne. The other driving issue is the
] > priority from the right which takes some getting used to on country roads!
]
] Please explain "priority from the right". Is that different from here in
] the USA?
]

Unless otherwise marked, the car on the right has the priority. This is often
but not always the case in the country, but people can be a little aggressive
about asserting their priority.

On the other hand, in Paris, every roundabout follows this rule, which means
that you speed into the circle at full tilt, then slam on the breaks to allow the
next fellow his turn. Clever!

If you have an accident here, the insurance company will almost never pay
if the dent is on the right side of your car. On the other hand, dents on the
left are usually paid without question!

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>Please explain "priority from the right". Is that different from here in
>] the USA?

Yes. At a roundabout for instance (unless otherwise marked) cars entering the
roundabout have priority over those in the roundabout so if you're in the
roundabout you must yield to a car entering as opposed to the car entering the
roundabout yeilding to oncoming traffic. Another example is imagine travelling
down a country road and coming upon an interesction devoid of stop signs. The
car on the right has priority so you get a little gun shy when driving down the
road and you see a car approaching the intersection even if you are at a high
enough speed that you have to lock up the brakes to allow him to enter. You
have to experience it to understand it but it works on your mind all of the
time until you get used to it....then it scares the hell out of you!
Bi!!

On 04 May 2004 19:16:38 GMT, (RV WRLee) said:

] >Please explain "priority from the right". Is that different from here in
] >] the USA?
]
] Yes. At a roundabout for instance (unless otherwise marked) cars entering the
] roundabout have priority over those in the roundabout so if you're in the
] roundabout you must yield to a car entering as opposed to the car entering the
] roundabout yeilding to oncoming traffic. Another example is imagine travelling

Bill, if it makes you feel any better, all roundabouts outside of Paris (and perhaps
another major city?) are supposed to be marked giving priority to the person
already in the roundabout.

Took me a long time to get used to the Peripherique, the Paris ring highway.
There's always heavy traffic, and the person coming in on the entrance
ramp always has priority -- and uses it!

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J. Lohr has been around for many years. One of the more unusual
California wines I have had came from them. It was J. Lohr Monterey
Selected Clusters Lonoak Vineyard 1978. It is long past the peak and
should have been finished many years ago. It was a rather sweet dessert
wine, but had plenty of acidity and alcohol. It was somewhat in the
style of a Sauternes in sweetness, alcohol content, and weight. Of
course, being made from Chardonnay, it had little in common with
Sauternes in terms of taste.

RV WRLee wrote:

>>Please explain "priority from the right". Is that different from here in
>>] the USA?
>
> Yes. At a roundabout for instance (unless otherwise marked) cars entering
> the roundabout have priority over those in the roundabout so if you're in
> the roundabout you must yield to a car entering as opposed to the car
> entering the
> roundabout yeilding to oncoming traffic. Another example is imagine
> travelling
> down a country road and coming upon an interesction devoid of stop signs.
> The car on the right has priority so you get a little gun shy when driving
> down the road and you see a car approaching the intersection even if you
> are at a high
> enough speed that you have to lock up the brakes to allow him to enter.
> You have to experience it to understand it but it works on your mind all
> of the time until you get used to it....then it scares the hell out of
> you! Bi!!

This is the same in the USA. Though Roundabouts are rare and I suppose not
many people drive on country roads.

Emery Davis wrote:

> On Tue, 04 May 2004 12:32:28 GMT, "Tom S" > said:
>
> ]
> ] "dick" > wrote in message
> ] ink.net...
> ] > Nice Cheap wine. The only real reason to live and visit France:-)
> ]
> ] Saved by the smiley! :^/
> ]
>
> Hmm...
>
> ] I'm looking forward to my next trip to France. Been twice and found it
> very
> ] beautiful in May. Good food and wine is only part of it. Even the
> people ] are mostly nice if one is polite.
> ]
>
> Tom, will you be up around here at all? Or even in Paris? I'd love to
> get a gander at some of the famous Ch. Burbank!
>
> ] One thing that's different from the USA that you have to be aware of:
> The
> ] left lane on the freeway is _only_ for passing. Drive in it for long
> and
> ] you get a lot of angry glares and yelling. :^(
> ]
>
> Used to be that way in the US, long ago. In most states I believe that
> the left lane is still recommended for passing, but in France it is a
> violation to travel in it.

In Texas it is a violation. I have never heard of or seen anyone get a
ticket for it. I suspect it is that way in most states.

>
> -E

Well, sometimes a smiley can save you.

I love visiting France. Would have been there this week actually.
Cancelled trip due to father in law request when Spain Train bombings
occured.

Plan to schedule later this year.

What we need in the USA are decent everyday drinking wine as they have in
France at under $10.


"Tom S" > wrote in message
. com...
>
> "dick" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> > Nice Cheap wine. The only real reason to live and visit France:-)
>
> Saved by the smiley! :^/
>
> I'm looking forward to my next trip to France. Been twice and found it
very
> beautiful in May. Good food and wine is only part of it. Even the people
> are mostly nice if one is polite.
>
> One thing that's different from the USA that you have to be aware of: The
> left lane on the freeway is _only_ for passing. Drive in it for long and
> you get a lot of angry glares and yelling. :^(
>
> Tom S
>
>

>Bill, if it makes you feel any better, all roundabouts outside of Paris (and
>perhaps
>another major city?) are supposed to be marked giving priority to the person
>already in the roundabout.
>
>Took me a long time to get used to the Peripherique, the Paris ring highway.
>There's always heavy traffic, and the person coming in on the entrance
>ramp always has priority -- and uses it!
>
>-E
>--
>Emery Davis

Yes, Emery, I've been to France many times. The first time that I drove I was
going to Riems from CDG and the first 25 kilometers we're scary on the
Peripherique since I wasn't aware of the priority from the right, and the
motorcycles and scooters highballing it between the lanes! Mon Dieu!
Bi!!

shumway wrote:

> This is the same in the USA. Though Roundabouts are rare and I suppose not
> many people drive on country roads.

Almost all states are adopting roundabouts in the US now. It is the
coming thing in highway engineering. The ones that kill me are the
roundabouts for ramps onto and off freeways. Of course we are a long
way from the magic roundabouts in places like Swindon,UK.

In Hilton Head South Carolina we have several Round abouts on the island and
may in Sea Pines Plantation.

But they are different when you live in the same country and speak the same
language.



"Bill" > wrote in message
...
> shumway wrote:
>
> > This is the same in the USA. Though Roundabouts are rare and I suppose
not
> > many people drive on country roads.
>
> Almost all states are adopting roundabouts in the US now. It is the
> coming thing in highway engineering. The ones that kill me are the
> roundabouts for ramps onto and off freeways. Of course we are a long
> way from the magic roundabouts in places like Swindon,UK.
>

"dick" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> What we need in the USA are decent everyday drinking wine as they have in
> France at under $10.

We _do_ have those here. Many of them are domestic, and quite a few are
imported. Don't you have a Trader Joe's near you? And no, I'm not
referring to the 2 Buck Chuck. That stuff may be wine, but I don't like
it - at least those which I've tasted. I've had better wine from the 99¢
Store.

Tom S

No trader joes are in North Carolina at this time. I have seen them when
out west and in Indiana.


"Tom S" > wrote in message
. com...
>
> "dick" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> > What we need in the USA are decent everyday drinking wine as they have
in
> > France at under $10.
>
> We _do_ have those here. Many of them are domestic, and quite a few are
> imported. Don't you have a Trader Joe's near you? And no, I'm not
> referring to the 2 Buck Chuck. That stuff may be wine, but I don't like
> it - at least those which I've tasted. I've had better wine from the 99¢
> Store.
>
> Tom S
>
>

shumway > wrote in message >.. .
> RV WRLee wrote:
>> > Yes. At a roundabout for instance (unless otherwise marked) cars
entering
> > the roundabout have priority over those in the roundabout so if you're in
> > the roundabout you must yield to a car entering as opposed to the car
> > entering the
> > roundabout yeilding to oncoming traffic.

> This is the same in the USA. Though Roundabouts are rare and I suppose not
> many people drive on country roads.

No it isn't, at least in the roundabouts I've run into, but this is up
to the individual states rather then the Federal government to decide.

In MA the person entering must yield to those already in the circle. I
believe this is also true in NH and CT, but the few I've seen in those
states are always clearly marked this way.

Andy

JEP wrote:

> shumway > wrote in message >.. .
>>RV WRLee wrote:
>>>Yes. At a roundabout for instance (unless otherwise marked) cars entering
>>>the roundabout have priority over those in the roundabout so if you're in
>>>the roundabout you must yield to a car entering as opposed to the car
>>>entering the roundabout yeilding to oncoming traffic.
>
>>This is the same in the USA. Though Roundabouts are rare and I suppose not
>>many people drive on country roads.
>
> No it isn't, at least in the roundabouts I've run into, but this is up
> to the individual states rather then the Federal government to decide.
>
> In MA the person entering must yield to those already in the circle. I
> believe this is also true in NH and CT, but the few I've seen in those
> states are always clearly marked this way.

Thank goodness. I was wondering whether I was imposing UK
roundabout usage on the US single-handed . Certainly in CT,
MD, VA and CA - the states I've driven around them - roundabouts
work on the (sensible!) approach that those already on have right
of way. As in the UK. Coming from Milton Keynes, home of all
the surplus roundabouts the rest of the country didn't need, I
know this very well!

Ewan McNay wrote:

>
>
> JEP wrote:
>
>> shumway > wrote in message
>> >.. .
>>>RV WRLee wrote:
>>>>Yes. At a roundabout for instance (unless otherwise marked) cars
>>>>entering the roundabout have priority over those in the roundabout so if
>>>>you're in the roundabout you must yield to a car entering as opposed to
>>>>the car entering the roundabout yeilding to oncoming traffic.
>>
>>>This is the same in the USA. Though Roundabouts are rare and I suppose
>>>not many people drive on country roads.
>>
>> No it isn't, at least in the roundabouts I've run into, but this is up
>> to the individual states rather then the Federal government to decide.
>>
>> In MA the person entering must yield to those already in the circle. I
>> believe this is also true in NH and CT, but the few I've seen in those
>> states are always clearly marked this way.
>
> Thank goodness. I was wondering whether I was imposing UK
> roundabout usage on the US single-handed . Certainly in CT,
> MD, VA and CA - the states I've driven around them - roundabouts
> work on the (sensible!) approach that those already on have right
> of way. As in the UK. Coming from Milton Keynes, home of all
> the surplus roundabouts the rest of the country didn't need, I
> know this very well!

I could be wrong, I was thinking of the one outside my office. It is
marked; I assumed the marking was because most people are not familar with
them. To me it made sense, because it follows the yield-to-the-right. The
others could be different (it is in Texas, and I have not seen any others,
here).

So in the UK, those in the round-about have the right-away, in France it is
the other way around? How is it in the rest of the world?

Salut/Hi shumway,

le/on Thu, 06 May 2004 17:25:16 GMT, tu disais/you said:-

>I could be wrong, I was thinking of the one outside my office. It is
>marked; I assumed the marking was because most people are not familar with
>them. To me it made sense, because it follows the yield-to-the-right. The
>others could be different (it is in Texas, and I have not seen any others,
>here).
>
>So in the UK, those in the round-about have the right-away, in France it is
>the other way around? How is it in the rest of the world?

In France, in general those on the roundabout have priority. They are marked
accordingly. The "priority to the right" rule has almost entirely been
abandoned.
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"shumway" > skrev i melding
...
> Ewan McNay wrote:
> So in the UK, those in the round-about have the right-away, in France it
is
> the other way around? How is it in the rest of the world?

Norway is like the UK. However, during heavy traffic one road could be
completely blocked were it not for a gentlemen's agreement to do 'zipping',
i.e. merging the two streams, which works fine, at least in my Oslo area.
Anders

>Norway is like the UK. However, during heavy traffic one road could be
>completely blocked were it not for a gentlemen's agreement to do 'zipping',
>i.e. merging the two streams, which works fine, at least in my Oslo area.
>Anders

Actually I've found that the drivers in Oslo are some of the best mannered that
I've ever encountered. I spent a week there last fall and never had the first
problem diving. The smoke in the restaurants was a bitproblematic
though....and I'm not a radical non-smoker but WOW!
Bi!!

"RV WRLee" > skrev i melding
...
> >Norway is like the UK. However, during heavy traffic one road could be
> >completely blocked were it not for a gentlemen's agreement to do
'zipping',
> >i.e. merging the two streams, which works fine, at least in my Oslo area.
> >Anders
>
> Actually I've found that the drivers in Oslo are some of the best mannered
that
> I've ever encountered. I spent a week there last fall and never had the
first
> problem diving. The smoke in the restaurants was a bitproblematic
> though....and I'm not a radical non-smoker but WOW!
> Bi!!
From June 30th smoking will be completely prohibited indoors... Imagine
patrons huddling outside during winter blizzards in order to smoke...
Anders

"Anders Tørneskog" > wrote in
:

>
> "RV WRLee" > skrev i melding
> ...
>> >Norway is like the UK. However, during heavy traffic one road could
>> >be completely blocked were it not for a gentlemen's agreement to do
> 'zipping',
>> >i.e. merging the two streams, which works fine, at least in my Oslo
>> >area. Anders
>>
>> Actually I've found that the drivers in Oslo are some of the best
>> mannered
> that
>> I've ever encountered. I spent a week there last fall and never had
>> the
> first
>> problem diving. The smoke in the restaurants was a bitproblematic
>> though....and I'm not a radical non-smoker but WOW!
>> Bi!!
> From June 30th smoking will be completely prohibited indoors...
> Imagine patrons huddling outside during winter blizzards in order to
> smoke... Anders
>
>
>

Shades fo Minneapolis where it has been the norm for several years. God
those smokers are tough.

On Thu, 06 May 2004 19:37:41 +0200, Ian Hoare > said:

] Salut/Hi shumway,
]
] le/on Thu, 06 May 2004 17:25:16 GMT, tu disais/you said:-
]
] >I could be wrong, I was thinking of the one outside my office. It is
] >marked; I assumed the marking was because most people are not familar with
] >them. To me it made sense, because it follows the yield-to-the-right. The
] >others could be different (it is in Texas, and I have not seen any others,
] >here).
] >
] >So in the UK, those in the round-about have the right-away, in France it is
] >the other way around? How is it in the rest of the world?
]
] In France, in general those on the roundabout have priority. They are marked
] accordingly. The "priority to the right" rule has almost entirely been
] abandoned.

Indeed, I said earlier in the thread:

"Bill, if it makes you feel any better, all roundabouts outside of Paris (and perhaps
another major city?) are supposed to be marked giving priority to the person
already in the roundabout."

Not sure in what way that was unclear.

However priority on the right is still alive and well in Paris, and of course on
country roads at intersections marked with an 'X' sign.

-E
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 19:37:41 +0200, Ian Hoare > said:

] Salut/Hi shumway,
]
] le/on Thu, 06 May 2004 17:25:16 GMT, tu disais/you said:-
]
] >I could be wrong, I was thinking of the one outside my office. It is
] >marked; I assumed the marking was because most people are not familar with
] >them. To me it made sense, because it follows the yield-to-the-right. The
] >others could be different (it is in Texas, and I have not seen any others,
] >here).
] >
] >So in the UK, those in the round-about have the right-away, in France it is
] >the other way around? How is it in the rest of the world?
]
] In France, in general those on the roundabout have priority. They are marked
] accordingly. The "priority to the right" rule has almost entirely been
] abandoned.
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>"Bill, if it makes you feel any better, all roundabouts outside of Paris (and
>perhaps
>another major city?) are supposed to be marked giving priority to the person
>already in the roundabout."
>
>Not sure in what way that was unclear.

It's not unclear and I would agree that many if not most are marked that those
in the roundabout have the priority but to a stranger to the area (especially
on the back roads) you have to pay strict attention since my natural
inclanation is for the main flow to always have priority. I always find it
much more difficult in the UK to drive on the left! I continually must tell
myself, over and over,...."body in the center, body in the center", especially
when making a turn or pulling into parking lot. If as the driver, you keep
yourself nearest the centerline, you'll be on the correct side of the road.
Bi!!

Salut/Hi Emery Davis,

le/on Fri, 7 May 2004 09:29:07 +0200, tu disais/you said:-

>Indeed, I said earlier in the thread:
>
>"Bill, if it makes you feel any better, all roundabouts outside of Paris (and perhaps
>another major city?) are supposed to be marked giving priority to the person
>already in the roundabout."
>
>Not sure in what way that was unclear.

It wasn't unclear, Emery, but Shumway seemed to have missed that, which is
why I jumped into the thread.

>However priority on the right is still alive and well in Paris, and of course on
>country roads at intersections marked with an 'X' sign.

What we've noticed is that it exists as a default, but that increasingly
even IN towns, priority is being marked. Just enough to be truly confusing.
I was driving in Brive today, and saw a learner on my right, making as if to
pull out in front of me. Jacquie made shocked noises about learners, but I
pointed out the lack of a priority marking and gave way. ALL the rest of the
junctions all the way home WERE marked with priority.


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On 07 May 2004 11:51:50 GMT, (RV WRLee) said:

[]
] It's not unclear and I would agree that many if not most are marked that those
] in the roundabout have the priority but to a stranger to the area (especially
] on the back roads) you have to pay strict attention since my natural
] inclanation is for the main flow to always have priority. I always find it
] much more difficult in the UK to drive on the left! I continually must tell
] myself, over and over,...."body in the center, body in the center", especially
] when making a turn or pulling into parking lot. If as the driver, you keep
] yourself nearest the centerline, you'll be on the correct side of the road.

Just as I know you're an old hand in France, Bill. But different rules are
always confusing.

Good tip on keeping on the correct side in the UK, beats my mantra
"keep-to-the-left, keep-to-the-left." And in intersections, look both ways
twice. (Much to the annoyance of those behind, no doubt.)

France is not the only place to have rules and then abrogate them
by putting a sign at every intersection. I was living in Boston when
the "right on red" was adopted in Mass, I'd swear there wasn't an
intersection without a "no turn on red" sign, even when the new law
made perfect sense.

Probably DMVs everywhere are populated by some strange race that
delights in confonding the rest of us...

-E

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>In France, in general those on the roundabout have priority. They are marked
>accordingly. The "priority to the right" rule has almost entirely been
>abandoned.
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>All the Best
>Ian Hoare

I want to make sure I am understanding the jargon. In France, those in a
traffic circle have the right of way, correct? The two terms you use are
entirely foreign to me. Maybe they are British English.

What few traffic circles I've seen in the US (I think this is what we are
talking about), those in the traffic circle have the right of way.

Thanks for the clarification.

Tom Schellberg