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Old 13-04-2004, 02:53 AM
Dale Williams
 
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Betsy had ham cravings after hearing tales of Easter hams, and so we had one
tonight. She did a sweet glaze, and so I opted (instead of dry rosé , my usual
"go to" ham choice) to go with the 2002 Willi Schaefer Graacher Himmelreich
Riesling Kabinett (Mosel-Saar-Ruwer). Pretty flowery nose, lemon and peach
fruit dancing lightly over a delicate framework of acidity and slatey
minerality. Maybe not the best match, but ok. In retrospect a beefier Kab would
have been a better choice than this ethereal Riesling. But this was so damn
delicious that's just a quibble. Beautifully balanced wine, very fine. I've now
how the Schaefer Graacher Himmelreich Qba and Kab, both very tasty, if the
bottom of his line is like that what are the more expensive offerings like? A-
on my easy scale.

Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a
good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where
it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy,
and certainly not of consistency.
Dale

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Old 13-04-2004, 05:37 AM
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"Dale Williams" in ...
Betsy had ham cravings after hearing tales of Easter hams, and so we had

one
tonight. She did a sweet glaze, and so I opted (instead of dry rosé , my

usual
"go to" ham choice) to go with the 2002 Willi Schaefer Graacher

Himmelreich
Riesling Kabinett (Mosel-Saar-Ruwer). Pretty flowery nose, lemon and peach
fruit dancing lightly over a delicate framework of acidity and slatey
minerality. Maybe not the best match, but ok. In retrospect a beefier Kab

would
have been a better choice than this ethereal Riesling. But this was so

damn
delicious that's just a quibble. Beautifully balanced wine, very fine.

I've now
how the Schaefer Graacher Himmelreich Qba and Kab, both very tasty, if the
bottom of his line is like that what are the more expensive offerings

like? A-
on my easy scale.


Good stuff! (I'm looking at an empty bottle of his 02 Domprobst kabinett,
rather than the Himmlreich, from a couple of months ago.)

I find that well-poised well-made Rieslings go with many, but especially
with savory or delicately savory foods -- smoked trout, or cold cuts, to
repeat an example I posted elsewhere; -- I would worry about a sweet sauce
muting such a kabinett -- but I did not try that combo myself so I certainly
don't know. I also wonder if these "bottom" wines, in price and
concentration, may offer more food flexible food pairings than the richer
ones do; those after all are heavier, and they seem to have more residual
sugar at a given Prädikat level than they did several years ago.

Great stuff, the fine Rieslings. Fantastic values.


Max

(I use a pass-fail grading system myself -- progressive school, builds
self-esteem in the wines ;-) -- this one definitely passed.)



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Old 13-04-2004, 01:50 PM
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I also wonder if these "bottom" wines, in price and
concentration, may offer more food flexible food pairings than the richer
ones do; those after all are heavier, and they seem to have more residual
sugar at a given Prädikat level than they did several years ago.


Oh, I agree the Kabinett (and Qba- don't discount non-Prädikat wines from good
producers) are better suited for most foods. I think in this case a better
match would have been a Kabinett with more body - maybe an '01 vntage, or
something from the Rheinhessen. My speculations re the better Schaefers were a
generality, not as a match for this meal.

Domprobst is supposed to be a "better" vineyard than Himmelreich, I'm going to
try and pick up one soon.

thanks.
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Old 13-04-2004, 08:33 PM
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Dale Williams wrote:

In article , "Max Hauser"
writes:

I also wonder if these "bottom" wines, in price and
concentration, may offer more food flexible food pairings than the richer
ones do; those after all are heavier, and they seem to have more residual
sugar at a given Prädikat level than they did several years ago.


Oh, I agree the Kabinett (and Qba- don't discount non-Prädikat wines from
good producers) are better suited for most foods. I think in this case a
better match would have been a Kabinett with more body - maybe an '01
vntage, or something from the Rheinhessen. My speculations re the better
Schaefers were a generality, not as a match for this meal.

Domprobst is supposed to be a "better" vineyard than Himmelreich, I'm
going to try and pick up one soon.

thanks.
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I also agree, that the wines you have tasted are very fine. I want to
recommend you Riesling from north of Baden. They did not have so much body,
than the wines you tasted but there are a lot of cheaper. There are really
good for fish and asparagus (i hope this is the right word). I can
recommend some vineyards if you want me to.

regards

Michael
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Old 13-04-2004, 09:03 PM
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"Dale Williams" skrev i melding
...
...2002 Willi Schaefer Graacher Himmelreich
Riesling Kabinett (Mosel-Saar-Ruwer).
....very tasty, if the
bottom of his line is like that what are the more expensive offerings

like? A-
on my easy scale.

According to Wein-Plus in Germany that was a 85 point wine (which by their
scale is Excellent). fine value at 7.60Euros.
However, his ratings have dropped lately, I've seen. Maybe somewhat
overextended operations - but I've not talked with him for a couple of
years...
His Graacher Domprobst Auslese 1992 (Auction wine) is one of the very best
I've ever had... a stupendously concentrated wine in every respect with a
zippy acidity to boot, you'd want to sip and weep, weep and sip again...
:-) Anders




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Old 13-04-2004, 09:08 PM
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Michael,

by "north of Baden" do you mean "the northern part of the Baden region", or
"from the area which is north of the Baden region"?

The only Baden wine I've experienced was a rather regrettable pinot noir
(spätburgunder?) , but I'd happily try more if they were available near me.

One of the problems with less known regions is that they are not generally well
represented by importers.

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Old 13-04-2004, 09:38 PM
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Dale Williams wrote:

Michael,

by "north of Baden" do you mean "the northern part of the Baden region",
or "from the area which is north of the Baden region"?

I ment the northern part of the Baden region - sorry about my bad english.


The only Baden wine I've experienced was a rather regrettable pinot noir
(spätburgunder?) , but I'd happily try more if they were available near
me.

One of the problems with less known regions is that they are not generally
well represented by importers.

Maybe there is possibility send you a taste - pack from the vineyards from a
friend of mine. You can see at www.weingut-hagenbucher.de


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Old 14-04-2004, 03:47 AM
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In article , Michael Meschar
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Maybe there is possibility send you a taste - pack from the vineyards from a
friend of mine. You can see at www.weingut-hagenbucher.de


Michael,

I'm in US, and the economics of international shipments make small private
shipments not cost-effective. But if Herr Hagenbucher gets a US importer, I'll
be happy to track down his wines to try. Thanks!
Dale

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Old 17-04-2004, 08:53 PM
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Dale Williams wrote:

In article , Michael Meschar
writes:

Maybe there is possibility send you a taste - pack from the vineyards from
a friend of mine. You can see at www.weingut-hagenbucher.de


Michael,

I'm in US, and the economics of international shipments make small private
shipments not cost-effective. But if Herr Hagenbucher gets a US importer,
I'll be happy to track down his wines to try. Thanks!
Dale

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Dear Dale,

Mr. Hagenbucher has a US importer. I will go to him and try to inform me
about the adress. I hope we find a way that you can taste some wines from
Weingut Hagenbucher.

regards

Michael


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