Wine (alt.food.wine) Devoted to the discussion of wine and wine-related topics. A place to read and comment about wines, wine and food matching, storage systems, wine paraphernalia, etc. In general, any topic related to wine is valid fodder for the group.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)   Report Post  
Old 09-10-2003, 08:48 PM
Nils Gustaf Lindgren
 
Posts: n/a
Default [OT] Bourgogne, anyone?

Hello;
I´d justlike to hear - any of you guys passing through Bourgogne (well,
Beaune and Côte d´Or, really) last week of October, and feels like sitting
down at, e g, Atheneum and have a glass of Gevrey-Chambertin and spend the
time of the day, let us know ... we´ll be there from Sunday Oct 26th, and
leaving Friday 31st.

Cheers!

Nils Gustaf (self) and Xina

--
Respond to nils dot lindgren at drchips dot se



  #2 (permalink)   Report Post  
Old 10-10-2003, 08:27 PM
Nils Gustaf Lindgren
 
Posts: n/a
Default [OT] Bourgogne, anyone?

Need any adresses in Alsace, let us know!

Cheers

Nils Gustaf

--
Respond to nils dot lindgren at drchips dot se


  #3 (permalink)   Report Post  
Old 12-10-2003, 07:16 AM
Nils Gustaf Lindgren
 
Posts: n/a
Default [OT] Bourgogne, anyone?

In Bergholtz, near Guebwiller, Dirler (or, rather, Dirler-Cadé). Biodynamic
grower, very good Rieslings and Muscats.
In Eguisheim, Bruno Sorg (call in advance, you´ll have to get his number and
street from the tourist office since I lost everything in a computer crash)
In Epfig, André Ostertag (c alling in advance vitally important!! and you
won´t meet him, you´ll see his sister - just pray she´s in a good mood ).
A monster of a wine maker, unfortunately on the expensive side. Enormous
Rieslings. Also very shy and withdrawn guy who apparently writes
self-published poetry about being a wine maker, fog on the vineyard kind of
thing, never read them, Mike told me. Ostertag is not the coming thing, he
is the thing that arrived last night, prices 'en consequence', as the Guide
ROuge say about three- star-restos.

HTH and have a really good stay in Alsace - it is wonderful! Beware people
who put their wione in blue bottles.

Cheers

Nils Gustaf
--
Respond to nils dot lindgren at drchips dot se


  #4 (permalink)   Report Post  
Old 12-10-2003, 04:10 PM
Ian Hoare
 
Posts: n/a
Default [OT] Bourgogne, anyone?

Salut/Hi Sojourner,

le/on Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:46:50 +0100, tu disais/you said:-

It hasn't been an area that interested me much previously, so I've
only tasted a few - Hugel, Schwach, Rolly Gassman, and the
co-operatives at Eguisheim, Turckheim and Obernai. I'm on a learning
curve. 8-)


If you go to Bergheim, two growers are worth visiting - wildly different in
many ways, but similar in a determination to make wonderful wine. Domaine
Georges & Claude (or vice versa) Freyburger, where a good friend of mine
Stéphane Martin is wine maker. If you DO decide to visit, let me know in
advance and I'll give you his email address. Another, MUCH more famous, up
with Ostertag in the reputation stakes, is Jean-Michel Deiss of Domaine
Marcel Deiss. I don't know how much it costs, but his Grand Cru assemblage
"Altenburg de Bergheim" was a revelation - and that's an understatement. It
was quite simply the most exciting wine - bar none - that I've tasted for
the last 5 years. Stéphane also makes an Altenburg assemblage - though I
don't think he sells it.

--
All the Best
Ian Hoare

Sometimes oi just sits and thinks
Sometimes oi just sits.
  #5 (permalink)   Report Post  
Old 12-10-2003, 07:20 PM
Nils Gustaf Lindgren
 
Posts: n/a
Default [OT] Bourgogne, anyone?

Well, chambre d´hôtes, I know one in Dieffenbach au Val, a few miles east of
Selestat - 'Les Trois Pierres' by the Geiger family. Very reasonably priced
with a rebate if you´re staying more than two nights. You can Google for
them, they are on Internet. In the same village is La Romantic, also by a
family Geiger, which we were recommended by a French couple, only they were
solidly booked.
TO get the really good chambres d´hôtes, you need to book well in advance.
Not c d´h but a good place is L´aigle d´or in Rimbach la Vallée, very near
Guebwiller, up in the mountains a bit. Quite good kitchen and wine list.
In Colmar, Turenne is a certain value, as a hotel - no restaurant, but
you´ll find a few not far from it, as, e g, Les trois poissoniers. ALso has
garage (book in advance!). If in Colmar, you could have lunch at Le
Rendez-vous de chasseurs, one thingy in Guide ROuge, better value if you
have lunch (as is generally the case).
Passing through/by Turckheim, be sure to visit L´homme sauvage - a
tremedous young chef who has take over a decrepit resto, the specialty of
which was a sort of mashed potatoes with cheese and bacon. Icnredibly
elegant, imaginative, with respect for the seasons, at very good value. Drop
by the Francois Baur in the same block and say hello to Madame la patronne.
Try their Rielsing GC Brand. And their Pinot Gris Herrenweg, really a rising
value. As is their Muscat. Don´t let them flog any of their `98s on you,
they are sparse and twiggy. Watch out for 2000 and later.

HTH

Nils GUstaf

--
Respond to nils dot lindgren at drchips dot se
"Sojourner" skrev i meddelandet
...
List deleted

Thanks for those. I'll get moving on it now as I have a lot of other
things to see to in the next couple of weeks.

HTH and have a really good stay in Alsace - it is wonderful!


I've driven through there before, but never stopped. Do you (or
anyone) have any recommendations for places to stay - chambres d'hotes
or whatever?

Beware people who put their wione in blue bottles.


Beware people who like wine in blue bottles! 8-)

Regards,

John

To reply by e-mail, remove the obstruction from my address
Si vous souhaitez répondre par e-mail, enlevez l'obstruction de mon

adresse




  #6 (permalink)   Report Post  
Old 17-10-2003, 10:51 PM
Michael Pronay
 
Posts: n/a
Default [OT] Bourgogne, anyone?

Ian Hoare wrote:

Another, MUCH more famous, up with Ostertag in the reputation
stakes, is Jean-Michel Deiss of Domaine Marcel Deiss.


An absolutely impressive guy ...

I don't know how much it costs,


(I bet it's sold out since long.)

but his Grand Cru assemblage


.... who hit the officials into their face by buttling this totally
illegal concoction (by law a wine labelled "Grand Cru" has to be
made from one - and only one! - of the four noble grape
varieties). He was taken to the "tribunal penal" (iirc) - and won!

"Altenburg de Bergheim" was a revelation - and that's an
understatement. It was quite simply the most exciting wine - bar
none - that I've tasted for the last 5 years.


Wait for the Valinière ... ;-)

M.
  #7 (permalink)   Report Post  
Old 18-10-2003, 01:01 AM
John Gunn
 
Posts: n/a
Default Deiss Altenburg de Bergheim (was [OT] Bourgogne, anyone?)

Michael Pronay wrote in
:

Ian Hoare wrote:

Another, MUCH more famous, up with Ostertag in the reputation stakes,
is Jean-Michel Deiss of Domaine Marcel Deiss.


An absolutely impressive guy ...

I don't know how much it costs,


(I bet it's sold out since long.)

but his Grand Cru assemblage


... who hit the officials into their face by buttling this totally
illegal concoction (by law a wine labelled "Grand Cru" has to be
made from one - and only one! - of the four noble grape
varieties). He was taken to the "tribunal penal" (iirc) - and won!

"Altenburg de Bergheim" was a revelation - and that's an
understatement. It was quite simply the most exciting wine - bar none
- that I've tasted for the last 5 years.


Wait for the Valinière ... ;-)

M.



Michael,


As another poster who has had on ongoing love affair with the Deiss
Altenburg de Bergheim, Could you expand on your last comment regarding
Valiniere?

Thanks,
John
  #8 (permalink)   Report Post  
Old 18-10-2003, 01:22 AM
Ian Hoare
 
Posts: n/a
Default [OT] Bourgogne, anyone?

Salut/Hi Michael Pronay,

le/on 17 Oct 2003 21:51:00 GMT, tu disais/you said:-

Another, MUCH more famous, up with Ostertag in the reputation
stakes, is Jean-Michel Deiss of Domaine Marcel Deiss.


An absolutely impressive guy ...


And a really nice one too.

I don't know how much it costs,


(I bet it's sold out since long.)


Yeah, I expect it is, but if John is going to the area, he may just be able
to get a taste.

but his Grand Cru assemblage


... who hit the officials into their face by buttling this totally
illegal concoction (by law a wine labelled "Grand Cru" has to be
made from one - and only one! - of the four noble grape
varieties). He was taken to the "tribunal penal" (iirc) - and won!


There's quite a lot more to it, in fact. Stéphane Martin, when he brought
me _his_ Altenberg assemblage to taste explained it, but I'm afraid, faced
with the wine itself, it went in one ear and out the other. But it has top
do with AOC legislation and is yet another example where french legislation
- designed to be applied with intelligence and discretion - becomes
ridiculous when applied literally and with malice.

"Altenburg de Bergheim" was a revelation - and that's an
understatement. It was quite simply the most exciting wine - bar
none - that I've tasted for the last 5 years.


Wait for the Valinière ... ;-)


Let's hope it's at Vins Passions in Lyon next winter.

M.


--
All the Best
Ian Hoare

Sometimes oi just sits and thinks
Sometimes oi just sits.
  #9 (permalink)   Report Post  
Old 18-10-2003, 01:42 AM
Michael Pronay
 
Posts: n/a
Default Deiss Altenburg de Bergheim (was [OT] Bourgogne, anyone?)

John Gunn wrote:

As another poster who has had on ongoing love affair with the
Deiss Altenburg de Bergheim, Could you expand on your last
comment regarding Valiniere?


I can't say much more than what I wrote in my other posting in the
thread "An Eclectic Tasting ...".

I found quite an extensive story from a German importer who paid a
visit to Paul Barral:

http://www.pinard-de-picard.de/pinwand/66.html

- alas in German .. :-(

M.
  #10 (permalink)   Report Post  
Old 18-10-2003, 02:31 AM
Michael Pronay
 
Posts: n/a
Default [OT] Bourgogne, anyone?

Ian Hoare wrote:

[Deiss Altenberg]

Yeah, I expect it is, but if John is going to the area, he may
just be able to get a taste.


Oh, that's true, of course. And impressive that wine is!

M.


  #11 (permalink)   Report Post  
Old 18-10-2003, 05:16 AM
John Gunn
 
Posts: n/a
Default Deiss Altenburg de Bergheim (was [OT] Bourgogne, anyone?)

Michael Pronay wrote in
:

John Gunn wrote:

As another poster who has had on ongoing love affair with the
Deiss Altenburg de Bergheim, Could you expand on your last comment
regarding Valiniere?


I can't say much more than what I wrote in my other posting in the
thread "An Eclectic Tasting ...".

I found quite an extensive story from a German importer who paid a
visit to Paul Barral:

http://www.pinard-de-picard.de/pinwand/66.html

- alas in German .. :-(

M.


Thank you, Michael.

It seems I mistook your original note and it is not a related wine at all.
But it still sounds interesting.

John
  #12 (permalink)   Report Post  
Old 18-10-2003, 12:49 PM
Michael Pronay
 
Posts: n/a
Default Valiniere (was: Deiss Altenburg de Bergheim)

John Gunn wrote:

It seems I mistook your original note and it is not a related
wine at all.


Sorry, no. I was just referring to the most concentrated wine I had
recently.

But it still sounds interesting.


It's a very interesting wine indeed.

M.


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules

Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
TN: Roulot bourgogne DaleW Wine 0 28-10-2009 06:57 PM
FAQ Bourgogne Nils Gustaf Lindgren[_1_] Wine 15 12-08-2008 02:21 AM
TN: Cahors and Bourgogne DaleW Wine 5 24-04-2007 07:33 PM
[FAQ] Bourgogne Nils Gustaf Lindgren Wine 5 01-10-2006 05:59 PM
TN: '00 Bourgogne, '95 CdP DaleW Wine 7 27-09-2006 10:12 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:20 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2022 FoodBanter.com.
The comments are property of their posters.
 

About Us

"It's about Food and drink"

 

Copyright © 2017