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Pinot Grigio
I've had inexpensive Pinot Grigio in the past, and never
thought too much about them until ... A recent dinner where we made Orange Roughy Amandine accompanied with white/wild rice, salad and biscuits. The wine: Avantgarde Pinot Grigio 2005 Rheinhessen from Germany. Alc. 12.5% I don't have any eloquent tasting notes, but the wine was superb with the fish, and I'll have to try more Pinot Grigio in the future. The wine was gifted to me and I don't think it was very expensive. BTW: The bottle is beautiful, green with a partial diamond shaped base and sides sloping up to the neck. I'm going to keep the bottle for flowers or as a decorator item. The unique bottle shape will be easy to spot at any wine shop. Dick in MN |
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On Nov 5, 6:17*pm, dickr2 > wrote:
> I've had inexpensive Pinot Grigio in the past, and never > thought too much about them until ... > A recent dinner where we made Orange Roughy Amandine > accompanied with white/wild rice, salad and biscuits. > The wine: Avantgarde Pinot Grigio 2005 Rheinhessen from > Germany. Alc. 12.5% > I don't have any eloquent tasting notes, but the wine was > superb with the fish, and I'll have to try more Pinot > Grigio in the future. The wine was gifted to me and I don't > think it was very expensive. > BTW: The bottle is beautiful, green with a partial diamond > shaped base and sides sloping up to the neck. I'm going to > keep the bottle for flowers or as a decorator item. > The unique bottle shape will be easy to spot at any wine > shop. > > Dick in MN Dick in MN: Pinot grigio (known as pinot gris in France and America) is a white wine with delicate aromas and flavors and at its best, it makes a perfect food wine. To me it's not a particularly spectacular grape like sauvignon blanc, but in Napa I'm more accustomed to powerhouse wines (which don't necessarily go well with food). What I most appreciate with pinot grigio is balance and finesse. However, in warmer climates it often loses the charm of its fruit and tastes rather bland and neutral. In California, it's almost a disaster except in cool coastal districts. Oregon over the past ten years has ripped out most of their chardonnay, which was always a delight to me, in order to plant pinot gris. In fact, the state has bet the farm on it. I think this was a mistake, but that's my personal opinion. I enjoy your recommendation. In fact, I never knew that pinot grigio was being grown extensively in Germany, but cool continental climate districts seem to make some exceptional pinot gris. You may find some interesting pinot grigio from Austria and the bordering areas of northern Italy, like Alto Adige. Thanks for this post! I will seek out that wine. --Bob |
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Pinot Grigio
Bobchai wrote:
>I never knew that pinot grigio > was being grown extensively in Germany It not unusual, but I am not sure how extensively it is grown. It is usually called Grauburgunder or, more traditionally, Ruländer. Never heard of one being sold as Pinot Grigio before. IMO it is a great variety, and very flexible in terms of matching with food. -- Steve Slatcher http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher |
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"Steve Slatcher" > skrev i melding ... > Bobchai wrote: > >>I never knew that pinot grigio >> was being grown extensively in Germany > > It not unusual, but I am not sure how extensively it is grown. It is > usually called Grauburgunder or, more traditionally, Ruländer. Never > heard of one being sold as Pinot Grigio before. > Wein-Plus lists Pinot Gris (with synonyms Grauburgunder and Ruländer) as comprising 4.3% of the growing area in Germany - 4.413 hectares - about 11.000 acres, I believe Anders |
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dickr2 > writes:
> I've had inexpensive Pinot Grigio in the past, and never > thought too much about them until ... > A recent dinner where we made Orange Roughy Amandine > accompanied with white/wild rice, salad and biscuits. > The wine: Avantgarde Pinot Grigio 2005 Rheinhessen from > Germany. Alc. 12.5% > I don't have any eloquent tasting notes, but the wine was > superb with the fish, and I'll have to try more Pinot > Grigio in the future. The wine was gifted to me and I don't > think it was very expensive. Pinot Gris (or whatever other name one calls it) is interesting. I feel like the bulk of these wines that I taste are truly insipid in the sense of being almost flavorless. But, I've had examples (some from Alsace, mostly from Oregon, but that is probably because of proximity in my case) that are truly delightful wines at very modest prices ($11-$15). From the internet, I suspect the wine you had was in this price range, though it doesn't seem that widely distributed. An Oregon pinot gris that I like a lot and that seems to be widely distributed (in some Costcos for example) is this one: http://www.willamettevalleyvineyards...oducts/core/#3 It is under $12 in Costco. Another Oregon winery that is big (for Oregon), and thus has some national distribution in the US, and has a good pinot gris is King Estate, but I think the Willamette Valley Vineyards one mentioned above is a better value. And there are lots of smaller Oregon vineyards with good pinot gris (and lots of insipid pinot gris from Oregon, but a much better proportion of good wine than the pinot grigios I see from Italy). |
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On Nov 6, 6:49*am, "Anders Tørneskog" >
wrote: > "Steve Slatcher" > skrev i ...> Bobchai wrote: > > >>I never knew that pinot grigio > >> was being grown extensively in Germany > > > It not unusual, but I am not sure how extensively it is grown. *It is > > usually called Grauburgunder or, more traditionally, Ruländer. *Never > > heard of one being sold as Pinot Grigio before. > > Wein-Plus lists Pinot Gris (with synonyms Grauburgunder and Ruländer) as > comprising 4.3% of the growing area in Germany - 4.413 hectares - about > 11.000 acres, I believe One of the traditional better known regions for this grape in Germany is in Baden. In modern times the dry versions tend to be sold as Grauburgunder and the sweeter versions as Rulander. I don't know about Europe outside of Germany, but this wine in the higher quality form does not seem to be easily available in many areas of the US. I still have a few bottles of Bickensohler Steinfelsen Rulander Auslese 1976. It is a very rich sweet wine with great intensity of taste and smell and considerable complexity. |
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"Anders Tørneskog" > wrote in message ... | | "Steve Slatcher" > skrev i melding | ... | > Bobchai wrote: | > | >>I never knew that pinot grigio | >> was being grown extensively in Germany | > | > It not unusual, but I am not sure how extensively it is grown. It is | > usually called Grauburgunder or, more traditionally, Ruländer. Never | > heard of one being sold as Pinot Grigio before. | > | Wein-Plus lists Pinot Gris (with synonyms Grauburgunder and Ruländer) as | comprising 4.3% of the growing area in Germany - 4.413 hectares - about | 11.000 acres, I believe | | Anders At a tasting held by Ernst Loosen a few weeks ago we sampled Dr. Loosen's Villa Wolf Pinot Gris; it was a convincing wine, quite comparable to the majority of Italian Pinot Grigios, perhaps slightly lighter and more subtle. Apparently they have grown PG for quite a while: http://www.jlwolf.com/wines_vines.htm " Pinot Gris has a very long tradition in the Pfalz region. In fact, it was here that the variety was first identified. Villa Wolf Pinot Gris is made in a full-bodied, dry style with refreshing, unoaked fruit and a crackling texture." pavane |
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On Nov 6, 6:21*am, Doug Anderson >
wrote: > > Pinot Gris (or whatever other name one calls it) is interesting. *I > feel like the bulk of these wines that I taste are truly insipid in > the sense of being almost flavorless. > > But, I've had examples (some from Alsace, mostly from Oregon, but that > is probably because of proximity in my case) that are truly delightful > wines at very modest prices ($11-$15). > > From the internet, I suspect the wine you had was in this price range, > though it doesn't seem that widely distributed. > > An Oregon pinot gris that I like a lot and that seems to be widely > distributed (in some Costcos for example) is this one: > > http://www.willamettevalleyvineyards...oducts/core/#3 > > It is under $12 in Costco. > > Another Oregon winery that is big (for Oregon), and thus has some > national distribution in the US, and has a good pinot gris is King > Estate, but I think the Willamette Valley Vineyards one mentioned > above is a better value. > > And there are lots of smaller Oregon vineyards with good pinot gris > (and lots of insipid pinot gris from Oregon, but a much better > proportion of good wine than the pinot grigios I see from Italy). Doug: You have named two Oregon wineries where Oregon pinot gris may be as good as it gets in America. So far. Willakenzie in Oregon, if they make pinot gris, would be another suggestion; I think they make consistently good wine overall (which is unusual, considering the weather). I firmly believe that pinot gris would be a successful grape for the east coast, but there again, it's economics. Why grow a successful pinot gris in New York, when you can sell mediocre cabernet, just because of the name recognition, for three times the price? And even at its best, New York pinot gris could never approach the greatness of New York riesling, some of the finest and most under-rated wine in the world. If wine was a Goldman Sachs financial derivative, like phony stock assets and phony real estate loans, I would bet on riesling and short pinot gris. Just saying. --Bob |
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On Nov 6, 7:27*am, cwdjrxyz > wrote:
> On Nov 6, 6:49*am, "Anders Tørneskog" > > wrote: > > > "Steve Slatcher" > skrev i ...> Bobchai wrote: > > > >>I never knew that pinot grigio > > >> was being grown extensively in Germany > > > > It not unusual, but I am not sure how extensively it is grown. *It is > > > usually called Grauburgunder or, more traditionally, Ruländer. *Never > > > heard of one being sold as Pinot Grigio before. > > > Wein-Plus lists Pinot Gris (with synonyms Grauburgunder and Ruländer) as > > comprising 4.3% of the growing area in Germany - 4.413 hectares - about > > 11.000 acres, I believe > > One of the traditional better known regions for this grape in Germany > is in Baden. In modern times the dry versions tend to be sold as > Grauburgunder and the sweeter versions as Rulander. I don't know about > Europe outside of Germany, but this wine in the higher quality form > does not seem to be easily available in many areas of the US. I still > have a few bottles of Bickensohler Steinfelsen Rulander Auslese 1976. > It is a very rich sweet wine with great intensity of taste and smell > and considerable complexity. cwdjirxz: I never thought of pinot gris as a late harvest wine. It sounds very interesting! --Bob |
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On Nov 6, 7:51*am, "pavane" > wrote:
> At a tasting held by Ernst Loosen a few weeks ago we sampled Dr. Loosen's > Villa Wolf Pinot Gris; it was a convincing wine, quite comparable to the > majority of Italian Pinot Grigios, perhaps slightly lighter and more subtle. > Apparently they have grown PG for quite a while:http://www.jlwolf.com/wines_vines.htm > > " > Pinot Gris has a very long tradition in the Pfalz region. In fact, it was here that > the variety was first identified. Villa Wolf Pinot Gris is made in a full-bodied, > dry style with refreshing, unoaked fruit and a crackling texture." > > pavane > Pavane: This is music to my ears. It confirms my suspicion that Germany, Austria and Hungary might be the best places for pinot gris/pinot grigio. I have a lot of contacts in Hungary. The area around Sopron and Balaton would be ideal, but I don't know what the grape is called in Hungarian. --Bob |
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Bobchai > writes:
> On Nov 6, 6:21*am, Doug Anderson > > wrote: > > > > > Pinot Gris (or whatever other name one calls it) is interesting. *I > > feel like the bulk of these wines that I taste are truly insipid in > > the sense of being almost flavorless. > > > > But, I've had examples (some from Alsace, mostly from Oregon, but that > > is probably because of proximity in my case) that are truly delightful > > wines at very modest prices ($11-$15). > > > > From the internet, I suspect the wine you had was in this price range, > > though it doesn't seem that widely distributed. > > > > An Oregon pinot gris that I like a lot and that seems to be widely > > distributed (in some Costcos for example) is this one: > > > > http://www.willamettevalleyvineyards...oducts/core/#3 > > > > It is under $12 in Costco. > > > > Another Oregon winery that is big (for Oregon), and thus has some > > national distribution in the US, and has a good pinot gris is King > > Estate, but I think the Willamette Valley Vineyards one mentioned > > above is a better value. > > > > And there are lots of smaller Oregon vineyards with good pinot gris > > (and lots of insipid pinot gris from Oregon, but a much better > > proportion of good wine than the pinot grigios I see from Italy). > > Doug: > > You have named two Oregon wineries where Oregon pinot gris may be as > good as it gets in America. So far. > > Willakenzie in Oregon, if they make pinot gris, would be another > suggestion; I think they make consistently good wine overall (which is > unusual, considering the weather). They do make a pinot gris. It sells for a bit more than the two I mentioned but in my very limited experience isn't any better. Willakenzie's pinot noirs on the other hand can be really excellent. (Much more to my taste than pinot noirs from the other two vineyards I mentioned.) |
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"Mike Tommasi" > skrev i melding ... >> Pavane: >> >> This is music to my ears. It confirms my suspicion that Germany, >> Austria and Hungary might be the best places for pinot gris/pinot >> grigio. I have a lot of contacts in Hungary. The area around Sopron >> and Balaton would be ideal, but I don't know what the grape is called >> in Hungarian. > > Szürkebarát > Which means Grey Monk ('Grauer Mönch' in German). Anders |
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Mike Tommasi > wrote:
>>> Szürkebarát >> Which means Grey Monk ('Grauer Mönch' in German). > I suppose that is an Austrian name, given the proximity? No. "Szürkebarát" means grey monk or grey priest. Here in Austria both Pinot Gris and Grauburgunder are used, Ruländer much less so. M. |
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Hi,
On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:27:22 -0800 (PST), Bobchai > wrote: >On Nov 6, 7:51*am, "pavane" > wrote: >This is music to my ears. It confirms my suspicion that Germany, >Austria and Hungary might be the best places for pinot gris/pinot >grigio. I have a lot of contacts in Hungary. The area around Sopron >and Balaton would be ideal, but I don't know what the grape is called >in Hungarian. As others have said, Szürkebarát. I've not heard of it doing that well in Sopron where the kékfrankos (blue french) is the traditional grape grown. However on the northern side of Lake Balaton, (therefore on south facing slopes) the volcani hill of Badacsony produces Baacsonyi Szürkebarát which was one of the top Hungarian wines IMO. It was THE quintessential "difficult food" wine, accompanying the rich and spicy type of hungarian food to perfection. When I last visited the area, it was impossible to find a decent example, but maybe one day the local growers will find their feet again and start producing a wine that fulfils its potential. I'd love to try one against chinese or indian food, because that's the wine I always think of in that context, and which I have to sub an Alsace Gewurz in place of. (Yeuch, sorry about the frightful grammar). , -- All the best Fatty from Forges |
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IanH > wrote:
> I'd love to try one [Badacsony Szürkebarat] against chinese or > indian food, because that's the wine I always think of in that > context, and which I have to sub an Alsace Gewurz in place of. Try a powerful Grüner Veltliner (13% or up): Does exceptionally well. M. |
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Hello Michal,
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:57:05 +0100, Michael Pronay > wrote: >IanH > wrote: > >> I'd love to try one [Badacsony Szürkebarat] against chinese or >> indian food, because that's the wine I always think of in that >> context, and which I have to sub an Alsace Gewurz in place of. > >Try a powerful Grüner Veltliner (13% or up): Does exceptionally >well. Actually, remembering the wines we tasted a t Vinexpo. that makes sense. In fact there's a very idiosyncratic chinese restaurant called "Hunan" in London, where the son, who is taking over the business, is a complete nut about wine. Rather a losing battle in a chinese restaurant, one might think! Anyway, I guess you have travelled abroad enough to know that Grüner Veltliner, whether powerful or not is almost unknown in restaurants outside Austria, more's the pity. It's a measure of the wine list at the Hunan that they have not just one GV, but two there - and at very reasonable markups. So I've no excuses. Thanks. -- All the best Fatty from Forges |
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On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:08:22 +0100, IanH > wrote:
> Anyway, I guess you have travelled abroad enough to know that Grüner > Veltliner, whether powerful or not is almost unknown in restaurants > outside Austria, more's the pity. Here in the USA, or at least in Tucson where I live, it's far from being unknown. Not every restaurant has it on its wine list, but several of them do. -- Ken Blake Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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"IanH" > wrote in message news > Hello Michal, > > On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:57:05 +0100, Michael Pronay > > wrote: > >>IanH > wrote: >> >>> I'd love to try one [Badacsony Szürkebarat] against chinese or >>> indian food, because that's the wine I always think of in that >>> context, and which I have to sub an Alsace Gewurz in place of. >> >>Try a powerful Grüner Veltliner (13% or up): Does exceptionally >>well. > > Actually, remembering the wines we tasted a t Vinexpo. that makes > sense. In fact there's a very idiosyncratic chinese restaurant called > "Hunan" in London, where the son, who is taking over the business, is > a complete nut about wine. Rather a losing battle in a chinese > restaurant, one might think! > Especially with the cuisine of Hunan Province!!! Graham |
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"IanH" > skrev i melding news > Anyway, I guess you have travelled abroad enough to know that Grüner > Veltliner, whether powerful or not is almost unknown in restaurants > outside Austria Try Norway. The monopoly lists 63 different GV's - Sweden only has got 47 different :-) Anders |
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"Anders Tørneskog" > wrote:
>> Anyway, I guess you have travelled abroad enough to know that >> Grüner Veltliner, whether powerful or not is almost unknown in >> restaurants outside Austria > Try Norway. The monopoly lists 63 different GV's - Sweden only > has got 47 different Jeeesus! I knew the Scandinavian monopolies have had an eye on Austrian wines - but never to *what* extent! Thanks for the info, Anders. M. |
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On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:05:27 -0700, "graham" > wrote:
>> a complete nut about wine. Rather a losing battle in a chinese >> restaurant, one might think! >> >Especially with the cuisine of Hunan Province!!! There are many unusual things about the Hunan. One of them is that the cuisine is not in fact from that Province, more's the pity. Another is that they don't have a menu. You arrive, and some time later, so does your food. But for my money it's one of the best Chinese (canton-ish) restaurants I've ever been to, though I know many who hate the place. -- All the best Fatty from Forges |
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On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:46:27 -0700, Ken Blake
> wrote: >On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:08:22 +0100, IanH > wrote: > > >> Anyway, I guess you have travelled abroad enough to know that Grüner >> Veltliner, whether powerful or not is almost unknown in restaurants >> outside Austria, more's the pity. > > >Here in the USA, or at least in Tucson where I live, it's far from >being unknown. Not every restaurant has it on its wine list, but >several of them do. That's very interesting, because since I've known Michael and since the tasting he gave me, I've tended to look out for the grape, and see it VERY rarely. You're fortunate. I'd not expect to find it here in France, but it's not common in the UK either. -- All the best Fatty from Forges |
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