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Last night Betsy's sister had a surprise 50th birthday party for her
husband. Despite it being 2 weeks before actual birthday, I think he was suspicous when his quartet insisted on a long rehearsal right before leaving this AM for some concerts in Bogota. Still, I think he was mostly surprised to come home to couple dozen friends and some "boats" of sushi. Rather than have Katherine rummage through his wine, I had volunteered to be the wine supplier: NV Sciarpa Prosecco This was a blowout sale buy, and at $7.50/bottle I was happy to bring over several. Light, citric, a little leesy, fine as an inexpensive way to have bubbles, and decent match with sushi. B-/B 2007 Pernot Bourgogne Blanc Once again, just lovely, a midweight Burg with clean pear fruit, excellent length for the level, wet rock finish. I bought a bunch but should have bought more. B+ 2008 Geil "Bechtheimer Heiligkreuz" Scheurebe Kabinett (Rheinhessen) (front label just Scheurebe Kab, back has vineyard) Exotic fruit cocktail of a wine, sweet oranges, mangoes, a limey note from the excellent acids. Not very long, but very good for $12-13 I paid for this. B+/B 2008 Willi Schaefer Riesling QbA Wow, what a QbA! Just a hint of CO2, pretty Granny Smith and lime fruit, very light, slatey/flinty. Brighter than sunshine acidity. Floral, refreshing, delicious. B++ 2008 Pepiere Muscadet de Sevre et Maine Sur Lie Initially a little austere after the Scheurebe, but as I adjust the typical Ollivier style winner, saline minerality under clean lemony fruit. She sells seashells by the seashore. B+ NV (I think, didn't see vintage) Anselme "La Fiole du Pape" Chateauneuf du Pape We've all seen this. The weird distorted bottle, the dusty/gritty fake aged surface, the "torn" label. This was brought to my house recently by a non-geek. You know, it's actually not that bad. Red fruits, some herbs, a little leathery note, decent length. If it was in a normal bottle that said 2001 Cotes du Rhone I'd have nodded wisely as if it was just what I expected. As it is, certainly better than I anticipated. B 2000 Ch. Pericou (Bdx Sup) For anonymous red wine, ok. For 2000 Bordeaux, rather poor. Red plum and a little currant, a green/weedy note in background, a little tannic rasp. Not very long. C+ 1959 Antonio Ferrari Solaria Jonica (Puglia) (500 ml) I was holding this for Betsy's birthday in December, but she said take it over (I have a couple other 59s in reserve). So this was released about 5 years ago. The story is a Piedmont producer originally from Puglia trucked a load of very ripe Primitivo to make a big wine. But the fermentation stuck at 14%, leaving lots of RS. Wine then spent 10 years in botti, and then 35 years in concrete. OK, so I open it. Dark color, but lively aromas. Toffee, figs, raisins. Some cocoa and ripe berries. Kind of Madeira meets Amarone. It's sweet, but not full- fledged dessert sweet. Powerful wine, thick. Pretty good, I'll give a B + for quality, but an A for making people happy on occasion. Fun evening, highlighted by a parody of S&G's "America" by a couple of friends. Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency. |
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On Sep 14, 9:29�am, DaleW wrote:
Last night Betsy's sister had a surprise 50th birthday party for her husband. Despite it being 2 weeks before actual birthday, I think he was suspicous when his quartet insisted on a long rehearsal right before leaving this AM for some concerts in Bogota. Still, I think he was mostly surprised to come home to couple dozen friends and some "boats" of sushi. Rather than have Katherine rummage through his wine, I had volunteered to be the wine supplier: NV Sciarpa Prosecco This was a blowout sale buy, and at $7.50/bottle I was happy to bring over several. Light, citric, a little leesy, fine as an inexpensive way to have bubbles, and decent match with sushi. B-/B 2007 Pernot Bourgogne Blanc Once again, just lovely, a midweight Burg with clean pear fruit, excellent length for the level, wet rock finish. I bought a bunch but should have bought more. B+ 2008 Geil "Bechtheimer Heiligkreuz" Scheurebe Kabinett (Rheinhessen) (front label just Scheurebe Kab, back has vineyard) Exotic fruit cocktail of a wine, sweet oranges, mangoes, a limey note from the excellent acids. Not very long, but very good for $12-13 I paid for this. B+/B 2008 Willi Schaefer Riesling QbA Wow, what a QbA! Just a hint of CO2, pretty Granny Smith and lime fruit, very light, slatey/flinty. Brighter than sunshine acidity. Floral, refreshing, delicious. B++ 2008 Pepiere Muscadet de Sevre et Maine Sur Lie Initially a little austere after the Scheurebe, but as I adjust the typical Ollivier style winner, saline minerality under clean lemony fruit. She sells seashells by the seashore. B+ NV (I think, didn't see vintage) Anselme "La Fiole du Pape" Chateauneuf du Pape We've all seen this. The weird distorted bottle, the dusty/gritty fake aged surface, the "torn" label. This was brought to my house recently by a non-geek. You know, it's actually not that bad. Red fruits, some herbs, a little leathery note, decent length. If it was in a normal bottle that said 2001 Cotes du Rhone I'd have nodded wisely as if it was just what I expected. As it is, certainly better than I anticipated. B 2000 Ch. Pericou (Bdx Sup) For anonymous red wine, ok. For 2000 Bordeaux, rather poor. Red plum and a little currant, a green/weedy note in background, a little tannic rasp. Not very long. C+ 1959 Antonio Ferrari Solaria Jonica (Puglia) (500 ml) I was holding this for Betsy's birthday in December, but she said take it over (I have a couple other 59s in reserve). So this was released about 5 years ago. The story is a Piedmont producer originally from Puglia trucked a load of very ripe Primitivo to make a big wine. But the fermentation stuck at 14%, leaving lots of RS. Wine then spent 10 years in botti, and then 35 years in concrete. OK, so I open it. Dark color, but lively aromas. Toffee, figs, raisins. Some cocoa and ripe berries. Kind of Madeira meets Amarone. It's sweet, but not full- fledged dessert sweet. Powerful wine, thick. Pretty good, I'll give a B + for quality, but an A for making people happy on occasion. Fun evening, highlighted by a parody of S&G's "America" by a couple of friends. Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency. Willi Schaefer has become my "go to" Gerrman maker over the last few years and I haven't been disapointed in anything of his I've had so far. |
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On Sep 14, 10:10*am, "Bi!!" wrote:
On Sep 14, 9:29 am, DaleW wrote: Last night Betsy's sister had a surprise 50th birthday party for her husband. Despite it being 2 weeks before actual birthday, I think he was suspicous when his quartet insisted on a long rehearsal right before leaving this AM for some concerts in Bogota. Still, I think he was mostly surprised to come home to couple dozen friends and some "boats" of sushi. Rather than have Katherine rummage through his wine, I had volunteered to be the wine supplier: NV Sciarpa Prosecco This was a blowout sale buy, and at $7.50/bottle I was happy to bring over several. Light, citric, a little leesy, fine as an inexpensive way to have bubbles, and decent match with sushi. B-/B 2007 Pernot Bourgogne Blanc Once again, just lovely, a midweight Burg with clean pear fruit, excellent length for the level, wet rock finish. I bought a bunch but should have bought more. B+ 2008 Geil "Bechtheimer Heiligkreuz" Scheurebe Kabinett (Rheinhessen) (front label just Scheurebe Kab, back has vineyard) Exotic fruit cocktail of a wine, sweet oranges, mangoes, a limey note from the excellent acids. Not very long, but very good for $12-13 I paid for this. B+/B 2008 Willi Schaefer Riesling QbA Wow, what a QbA! Just a hint of CO2, pretty Granny Smith and lime fruit, very light, slatey/flinty. Brighter than sunshine acidity. Floral, refreshing, delicious. B++ 2008 Pepiere Muscadet de Sevre et Maine Sur Lie Initially a little austere after the Scheurebe, but as I adjust the typical Ollivier style winner, saline minerality under clean lemony fruit. She sells seashells by the seashore. B+ NV (I think, didn't see vintage) Anselme "La Fiole du Pape" Chateauneuf du Pape We've all seen this. The weird distorted bottle, the dusty/gritty fake aged surface, the "torn" label. This was brought to my house recently by a non-geek. You know, it's actually not that bad. Red fruits, some herbs, a little leathery note, decent length. If it was in a normal bottle that said 2001 Cotes du Rhone I'd have nodded wisely as if it was just what I expected. As it is, certainly better than I anticipated. B 2000 Ch. Pericou (Bdx Sup) For anonymous red wine, ok. For 2000 Bordeaux, rather poor. Red plum and a little currant, a green/weedy note in background, a little tannic rasp. Not very long. C+ 1959 Antonio Ferrari Solaria Jonica (Puglia) (500 ml) I was holding this for Betsy's birthday in December, but she said take it over (I have a couple other 59s in reserve). So this was released about 5 years ago. The story is a Piedmont producer originally from Puglia trucked a load of very ripe Primitivo to make a big wine. But the fermentation stuck at 14%, leaving lots of RS. Wine then spent 10 years in botti, and then 35 years in concrete. OK, so I open it. Dark color, but lively aromas. Toffee, figs, raisins. Some cocoa and ripe berries. Kind of Madeira meets Amarone. It's sweet, but not full- fledged dessert sweet. Powerful wine, thick. Pretty good, I'll give a B + for quality, but an A for making people happy on occasion. Fun evening, highlighted by a parody of S&G's "America" by a couple of friends. Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency. Willi Schaefer has become my "go to" Gerrman maker over the last few years and I haven't been disapointed in anything of his I've had so far. For me, too. Actually my "go to" list is a tie, pretty evenly divided between Willi Schaefer, Donnhoff, and Zilliken. Selbach Oster is up there too, I just see less. Leitz is my value guy. Haart, MaxGrun, Prum, and F. Haag are great, but more occasional buys due to $$$. |
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, DaleW wrote: Last night Betsy's sister had a surprise 50th birthday party for her husband. Despite it being 2 weeks before actual birthday, I think he was suspicous when his quartet insisted on a long rehearsal right before leaving this AM for some concerts in Bogota. Still, I think he was mostly surprised to come home to couple dozen friends and some "boats" of sushi. Rather than have Katherine rummage through his wine, I had volunteered to be the wine supplier: NV Sciarpa Prosecco This was a blowout sale buy, and at $7.50/bottle I was happy to bring over several. Light, citric, a little leesy, fine as an inexpensive way to have bubbles, and decent match with sushi. B-/B 2007 Pernot Bourgogne Blanc Once again, just lovely, a midweight Burg with clean pear fruit, excellent length for the level, wet rock finish. I bought a bunch but should have bought more. B+ 2008 Geil "Bechtheimer Heiligkreuz" Scheurebe Kabinett (Rheinhessen) (front label just Scheurebe Kab, back has vineyard) Exotic fruit cocktail of a wine, sweet oranges, mangoes, a limey note from the excellent acids. Not very long, but very good for $12-13 I paid for this. B+/B 2008 Willi Schaefer Riesling QbA Wow, what a QbA! Just a hint of CO2, pretty Granny Smith and lime fruit, very light, slatey/flinty. Brighter than sunshine acidity. Floral, refreshing, delicious. B++ 2008 Pepiere Muscadet de Sevre et Maine Sur Lie Initially a little austere after the Scheurebe, but as I adjust the typical Ollivier style winner, saline minerality under clean lemony fruit. She sells seashells by the seashore. B+ NV (I think, didn't see vintage) Anselme "La Fiole du Pape" Chateauneuf du Pape We've all seen this. The weird distorted bottle, the dusty/gritty fake aged surface, the "torn" label. This was brought to my house recently by a non-geek. You know, it's actually not that bad. Red fruits, some herbs, a little leathery note, decent length. If it was in a normal bottle that said 2001 Cotes du Rhone I'd have nodded wisely as if it was just what I expected. As it is, certainly better than I anticipated. B 2000 Ch. Pericou (Bdx Sup) For anonymous red wine, ok. For 2000 Bordeaux, rather poor. Red plum and a little currant, a green/weedy note in background, a little tannic rasp. Not very long. C+ 1959 Antonio Ferrari Solaria Jonica (Puglia) (500 ml) I was holding this for Betsy's birthday in December, but she said take it over (I have a couple other 59s in reserve). So this was released about 5 years ago. The story is a Piedmont producer originally from Puglia trucked a load of very ripe Primitivo to make a big wine. But the fermentation stuck at 14%, leaving lots of RS. Wine then spent 10 years in botti, and then 35 years in concrete. OK, so I open it. Dark color, but lively aromas. Toffee, figs, raisins. Some cocoa and ripe berries. Kind of Madeira meets Amarone. It's sweet, but not full- fledged dessert sweet. Powerful wine, thick. Pretty good, I'll give a B + for quality, but an A for making people happy on occasion. Fun evening, highlighted by a parody of S&G's "America" by a couple of friends. Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency. Just as long as the birthday wasn't a surprise to him. Finding myself that many birthdays after 50 are a total surprise. I bought two bottles of the Ferrari Solaria on a whim but haven't opened them yet. How long do you think this will hold. |
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, DaleW wrote: 1959 Antonio Ferrari Solaria Jonica (Puglia) One other note this is now a $150+ wine and I didn't pay anywhere near that originally. The receipt says $49. |
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On Sep 14, 12:23*pm, Lawrence Leichtman wrote:
In article , *DaleW wrote: 1959 Antonio Ferrari Solaria Jonica (Puglia) One other note this is now a $150+ wine and I didn't pay anywhere near that originally. The receipt says $49. I don't think with decent storage one would need to worry about this at all, wines of this style aren't the least bit fragile, no reason it couldn't go another 30-40. But if you paid $49 someone screwed up (and you were the beneficiary!) . I paid $99 at Zachys about 4 years ago, and that was definitely best price I'd seen since release (or since). WS Pro shows it for no less than $109 for now-2005, and when it was released in 2004 it was about $130-150,. In general prices have been rather stable. |
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, DaleW wrote: On Sep 14, 12:23*pm, Lawrence Leichtman wrote: In article , *DaleW wrote: 1959 Antonio Ferrari Solaria Jonica (Puglia) One other note this is now a $150+ wine and I didn't pay anywhere near that originally. The receipt says $49. I don't think with decent storage one would need to worry about this at all, wines of this style aren't the least bit fragile, no reason it couldn't go another 30-40. But if you paid $49 someone screwed up (and you were the beneficiary!) . I paid $99 at Zachys about 4 years ago, and that was definitely best price I'd seen since release (or since). WS Pro shows it for no less than $109 for now-2005, and when it was released in 2004 it was about $130-150,. In general prices have been rather stable. Yep local, dealer had it marked as $49, price label is still on the bottle. I didn't know the value at the time and your note prompted me to look at the current price. Didn't know what a good deal I had gotten. I assume they mismarked it but it is a place that doesn't keep good track of it's prices to begin with. |
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