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TN Vertical Hermitage La Chapelle
Solihull Fine Wine Society, December Tasting.
The usual Rowland devious and testing Xmas tasting. All blind, not even an idea of a theme, area or hemisphere. Welcoming wine Grosset Polish Hill Clare Valley Riesling 2007. Bright and viscous, pale straw, a delightful nose of butter spice and apricot, fat entry, good fruit with balancing acidity, I thought a viognier/chard blend.......oops. A very nice wine that needs food. Flight of four to start Hermitage La Chapelle Paul Jaboulet 1982 Slightly dull mature, orange rim, vegetal nose of tinned tomatoes and spice, soft entry, spice and pepper, good balance. Finished a tad short. HLCPJ 1983 Looks just like the 82, garnet robe, oak and spice, muted backward, firm entry with big tannins and jammy fruit. spice and complex, layer upon layer,, long.., .....superb. This wine will live for a long time. 4th WOTN HLCPJ 1985 Looks like 82, a definite corkiness on the nose, crushed olives, corked on palate yet drinkable. HLCPJ 1987 These first four wines all looked similar in the glass, an elegant, sweet leather pepper nose, a warm unctous entry, tobacco and fruit, perfect now. 3rd WOTN Next flight of two HLCPJ 1995 What depth and extract, different league to the first four, nose of morello cherries, marshmallow, complex , hiding its charms. fat entry with fruit and big tannins, unbalanced, but enough fruit to stand up the tannins....long life ahead. Hermitage Jean-Louise Chave 1995 less extract than the previous wine...a beautiful perfumed elegant nose, a real dollop of perfume, but what?, Just all there, perfect balance, pepper and tobacco palate, on the plateau, wonderful 2nd WOTN last flight of two HLCPJ 1999 Mature and bright, good legs, a real farmyard and violet nose, is this claret? no, toothpaste and tomatoes again.. Superb mouthful of fruit, tannin acidity all in perfect balance, shimmering white pepper. Perfect now, but will live another 5-10 years. Croze Hermitage PJ Domaine de Thalabert 1999 Where did this come from? Immense depth, almost portlike, black, what orgainc overtones yet spicy cherries, wonderful fruit bomb, tannins soft edged and gave a firmness this wine needed to balance the fruit. WOTN by a long chalk. A cunning tasting, oldest to youngest in order, yet the last was so stunning, we have all gone and bought what we could after the tasting, the Wine Society still had some left at........GBP 13, yes you saw it right GBP13 We hav all been told that Jaboulet had gone off after the 90, and the old mans death. But what about the 1987, dismissed by Broadbent as stewed!! |
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TN Vertical Hermitage La Chapelle
Hope your 82 was uncharacteristic as I still have some.
In fact I just went straight down to the cellar and pulled a bottle that I'll open Friday and will report back. I was going to take an 82 Bordeaux to a blind tasting, but what the heck, we'll use them as Guinea pigs on this wine. Thanks for the heads up. I also have a fair bit of the 1991, a neglected but very good vintage in the Northern Rhone. And Thalabert often performs above it's pay grade, haven't you found? Sante. |
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we'll use them as
> Guinea pigs on this win will be interested in the 82 showing. And Thalabert often performs above it's pay grade, haven't you found? Yes Bill, but this was a serious step up. JT |
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On Dec 10, 10:53�am, "John T" > wrote:
> �we'll use them as> Guinea pigs on this win > > will be interested in the 82 showing. > > �And Thalabert often performs above it's pay grade, haven't you found? > > Yes Bill, but this was a serious step up. > > JT Thanks for notes. I hope my lone bottle of '99 Thalabert shows as well as this! I agree that it was often an overachiever , I;ve still got an '85 ( I know that's pushing it) Your bottle of '83 La Chapelle showed better than one we had a couple years ago. I tend to find Jaboulet has more bottle variation than most, even in the flagship bottlings. |
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On Dec 10, 12:44�pm, DaleW > wrote:
> On Dec 10, 10:53 am, "John T" > wrote: > > > we'll use them as> Guinea pigs on this win > > > will be interested in the 82 showing. > > > And Thalabert often performs above it's pay grade, haven't you found? > > > Yes Bill, but this was a serious step up. > > > JT > > Thanks for notes. I hope my lone bottle of '99 Thalabert shows as well > as this! I agree that it was often an overachiever , I;ve still got an > '85 ( I know that's pushing it) > Your bottle of '83 La Chapelle showed better than one we had a couple > years ago. > I tend to find Jaboulet has more bottle variation than most, even in > the flagship bottlings. I have a ton of La Chapelle from the late 80's through 2000 and the vintages are textbook examples of vintage variation but I haven't noticed a lot of bottle variation. I always bought case lots so that might explain why. |
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On Dec 10, 2:11�pm, "Bi!!" > wrote:
> On Dec 10, 12:44 pm, DaleW > wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 10, 10:53 am, "John T" > wrote: > > > > we'll use them as> Guinea pigs on this win > > > > will be interested in the 82 showing. > > > > And Thalabert often performs above it's pay grade, haven't you found? > > > > Yes Bill, but this was a serious step up. > > > > JT > > > Thanks for notes. I hope my lone bottle of '99 Thalabert shows as well > > as this! I agree that it was often an overachiever , I;ve still got an > > '85 ( I know that's pushing it) > > Your bottle of '83 La Chapelle showed better than one we had a couple > > years ago. > > I tend to find Jaboulet has more bottle variation than most, even in > > the flagship bottlings. > > I have a ton of La Chapelle from the late 80's through 2000 and the > vintages are textbook examples of vintage variation but I haven't > noticed a lot of bottle variation. �I always bought case lots so that > might explain why.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I'd say the La Chapelle shows it less than the other wines, but I still have run across very very different showing from different bottles, even though both should have had good storage. That can be true of any wine,but I seem to have run across more with Jaboulet, even La Chapelle (actually the Thalabert seems more consistent to me). Of course, my calling it bottle variation might be a subconscious Jaboulet bias, as I strongly feel their larger negociant bottlings (Les Jalets, P45) are poster children for bottle variation (or to be more correct, batch variation, as I strongly suspect they are not consistently the same wine). |
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On Dec 10, 2:51�pm, DaleW > wrote:
> On Dec 10, 2:11 pm, "Bi!!" > wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 10, 12:44 pm, DaleW > wrote: > > > > On Dec 10, 10:53 am, "John T" > wrote: > > > > > we'll use them as> Guinea pigs on this win > > > > > will be interested in the 82 showing. > > > > > And Thalabert often performs above it's pay grade, haven't you found? > > > > > Yes Bill, but this was a serious step up. > > > > > JT > > > > Thanks for notes. I hope my lone bottle of '99 Thalabert shows as well > > > as this! I agree that it was often an overachiever , I;ve still got an > > > '85 ( I know that's pushing it) > > > Your bottle of '83 La Chapelle showed better than one we had a couple > > > years ago. > > > I tend to find Jaboulet has more bottle variation than most, even in > > > the flagship bottlings. > > > I have a ton of La Chapelle from the late 80's through 2000 and the > > vintages are textbook examples of vintage variation but I haven't > > noticed a lot of bottle variation. I always bought case lots so that > > might explain why.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > I'd say the La Chapelle shows it less than the other wines, but I > still have run across very very different showing from different > bottles, even though both should have had good storage. That can be > true of any wine,but I seem to have run across more with Jaboulet, > even La Chapelle (actually the Thalabert seems more consistent to me). > Of course, my calling it bottle variation might be a subconscious > Jaboulet bias, as I strongly feel their larger negociant bottlings > (Les Jalets, P45) �are poster children for bottle variation (or to be > more correct, batch variation, as I strongly suspect they are not > consistently the same wine).- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I guess I assumed that in cases that the bottles are consecutive from the bottleing line and the "batch" should be the same. I understand that bottle variation can come from a variety of sources (storage, corking, dirty bottles) I just haven't seen a lot of bottle variation in the La Chapelle from the same case lots. The vintage variations are HUGE and I often use LaChapelle to show people how different wine can be from vintage to vintage from the same vineyard. FWIW, I often use Penfolds to show how Aussie wines tend to taste the same from vintage to vintage. |
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>, DaleW > wrote: > On Dec 10, 2:11?pm, "Bi!!" > wrote: > > On Dec 10, 12:44 pm, DaleW > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 10, 10:53 am, "John T" > wrote: > > > > > > we'll use them as> Guinea pigs on this win > > > > > > will be interested in the 82 showing. > > > > > > And Thalabert often performs above it's pay grade, haven't you found? > > > > > > Yes Bill, but this was a serious step up. > > > > > > JT > > > > > Thanks for notes. I hope my lone bottle of '99 Thalabert shows as well > > > as this! I agree that it was often an overachiever , I;ve still got an > > > '85 ( I know that's pushing it) > > > Your bottle of '83 La Chapelle showed better than one we had a couple > > > years ago. > > > I tend to find Jaboulet has more bottle variation than most, even in > > > the flagship bottlings. > > > > I have a ton of La Chapelle from the late 80's through 2000 and the > > vintages are textbook examples of vintage variation but I haven't > > noticed a lot of bottle variation. ?I always bought case lots so that > > might explain why.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > I'd say the La Chapelle shows it less than the other wines, but I > still have run across very very different showing from different > bottles, even though both should have had good storage. That can be > true of any wine,but I seem to have run across more with Jaboulet, > even La Chapelle (actually the Thalabert seems more consistent to me). > Of course, my calling it bottle variation might be a subconscious > Jaboulet bias, as I strongly feel their larger negociant bottlings > (Les Jalets, P45) are poster children for bottle variation (or to be > more correct, batch variation, as I strongly suspect they are not > consistently the same wine). Vieux Telegraphe also seems to have a lot of bottle variation for me. |
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