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TN: Cassoulet with Cahors, Rhones, Zin, Zind, etc
Last night Ramon Cabrera put together a little gathering of cassoulet
fans (well, a couple people got other mains) at La Sirene in SoHo. Nice evening, with a good group. I have a bit of a cold, but still found most of the wines quite enjoyable. My mussels and cassoulet were both tasty, I also enjoyed some great cheeses that Marina brought. The wines: 1999 Rollin Pernand Vergelesses Oxidation is taking this over, some caramelly/nutty/sherry notes, too bad, but it seemed to me there was good acidity and structure underneath. NR 2003 Philippe Colin "En Remilly" Chassagne-Montrachet 1er Cru This shows the vintage. Not a lot of oak, but fat and round. Some butterscotch and pear, drinkable but non-descript. B- * 2001 Zind-Humbrecht "Rotenberg " Pinot Gris We discussed sweetness level, to me this seemed Spatlese-ish. Ripe sweet peaches and yellow plums, a pleasantly oily texture, excellent length. Has that gingery spiciness you sometimes get with PG. I liked this a lot. For me ZH is a bit like Schoenberg or Ornette Coleman- I like to try occasionally, I recognize the brilliance behind it, but I don't want to make it a mainstay (I'll stick to Bach, Coltrane, and Trimbach for my standards). Still, quite tasty. A- 1989 Ch. du Cayrou Cahors Black fruit and some leather, tannins mostly resolved, pleasant though not exciting. *B 2001 Pegau "Cuvee Laurence" Chateauneuf-du-Pape Tannic, but rich red fruits and lots of herb. Good length, showing a bit of oak. The tannins are a bit drying on the finish, but its better with the cassoulet. B/B+ * 1997* Ridge Geyserville *Warm, easy, ready. Someone questions whether its fading. To me it is mature but quite alive. Spicy, juicy, tasty. B+ 1982 Renato Ratti "Marcenasco " Barolo *Seems light at first, but there are still some firm tannins underneath. Perfumed, floral, with surprisingly dense red cherry and raspberry fruit. Tar, earth, a really lovely Barolo. My WOTN. A- 2001Vernay Cote-Rotie *Midweight Syrah, black berry fruit, a lovely smokiness. Just a hint of vanilla, this may be considered modern but not at all over the top for me. Some grilled meat, delicate but with real body. I think this is the first Vernay red I've tried. A-/B+ Hey, a pretty good night when I like all the reds. Food was good, company was great. And Betsy was designated driver- whoo hoo! Thanks to Ramon for organzing, and to all for the wine and company. Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency. * |
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On Oct 31, 10:48�am, DaleW > wrote:
> Last night Ramon Cabrera put together a little gathering of cassoulet > fans (well, a couple people got other mains) at La Sirene in SoHo. > Nice evening, with a good group. I have a bit of a cold, but still > found most of the wines quite enjoyable. My mussels and cassoulet were > both tasty, I also enjoyed some great cheeses that Marina brought. The > wines: > > 1999 Rollin Pernand Vergelesses > Oxidation is taking this over, some caramelly/nutty/sherry notes, too > bad, but it seemed to me there was good acidity and structure > underneath. NR > > 2003 Philippe Colin "En Remilly" Chassagne-Montrachet 1er Cru > This shows the vintage. Not a lot of oak, but fat and round. Some > butterscotch and pear, drinkable but non-descript. B- > � > 2001 Zind-Humbrecht "Rotenberg " Pinot Gris > We discussed sweetness level, to me this seemed Spatlese-ish. Ripe > sweet peaches and yellow plums, a pleasantly oily texture, excellent > length. Has that gingery spiciness you sometimes get with PG. I liked > this a lot. For me ZH is a bit like Schoenberg or Ornette Coleman- �I > like to try occasionally, I recognize the brilliance behind it, but I > don't want to make it a mainstay (I'll stick to Bach, Coltrane, and > Trimbach for my standards). Still, quite tasty. A- > > 1989 Ch. du Cayrou Cahors > Black fruit and some leather, tannins mostly resolved, pleasant though > not exciting. �B > > 2001 Pegau "Cuvee Laurence" Chateauneuf-du-Pape > Tannic, but rich red fruits and lots of herb. Good length, showing a > bit of oak. The tannins are a bit drying on the finish, but its better > with the cassoulet. B/B+ > � > > 1997� Ridge Geyserville > �Warm, easy, ready. Someone questions whether its fading. To me it is > mature but quite alive. Spicy, juicy, tasty. B+ > > 1982 Renato Ratti "Marcenasco " Barolo > �Seems light at first, but there are still some firm tannins > underneath. Perfumed, floral, with surprisingly dense red cherry and > raspberry fruit. Tar, earth, a really lovely Barolo. My WOTN. A- > > 2001Vernay Cote-Rotie > �Midweight Syrah, black berry fruit, a lovely smokiness. Just a hint > of vanilla, this may be considered modern but not at all over the top > for me. Some grilled meat, delicate but with real body. I think this > is the first Vernay red I've tried. A-/B+ > > Hey, a pretty good night when I like all the reds. Food was good, > company was great. And Betsy was designated driver- whoo hoo! > Thanks to Ramon for organzing, and to all for the wine and company. > > Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent > wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't > drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no > promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency. > � Correction- the Vernay was the '99 |
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"DaleW" > wrote in message
... > 1989 Ch. du Cayrou Cahors > Black fruit and some leather, tannins mostly resolved, pleasant though > not exciting. �B Had a 1982 of the same a few weeks ago - much the same apart from tannins resolved into nothingness! Almost Pinot noir like in colour and softness. pk |
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On Oct 31, 10:48 pm, DaleW > wrote:
> 2001 Zind-Humbrecht "Rotenberg " Pinot Gris > We discussed sweetness level, to me this seemed Spatlese-ish. Ripe > sweet peaches and yellow plums, a pleasantly oily texture, excellent > length. Has that gingery spiciness you sometimes get with PG. I liked > this a lot. For me ZH is a bit like Schoenberg or Ornette Coleman- I > like to try occasionally, I recognize the brilliance behind it, but I > don't want to make it a mainstay (I'll stick to Bach, Coltrane, and > Trimbach for my standards). Still, quite tasty. A- Agree - ZH wines are magnificent and really impressive to taste, but they'd be hard to drink on a regular basis. Pretty much the vinous equivalent of eating foie gras for lunch and dinner non-stop, IMO. I do hold those wines in highest regard though especially with age - after some boring wines, or if a sense of palate-ennui sets in, it's fantastic to sit down with one of those bottles and enjoy them. Nice notes and sounds like a fun dinner (then again anything combining good wine and cassoulet gets my salivary glands going very quickly). Cheers, Salil |
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 07:48:58 -0700 (PDT), DaleW >
wrote: >1989 Ch. du Cayrou Cahors >Black fruit and some leather, tannins mostly resolved, pleasant though >not exciting. *B Darn. I recently picked up a bottle of this (from the same guy in Seattle you did?). Given that '89 was a pretty solid year, I had higher hopes. I also have a bottle of the 1982 Cayrou. Maybe it's time for a "flight" test. JJ |
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:53:23 -0000, "PK" > wrote:
>"DaleW" > wrote in message ... > >> 1989 Ch. du Cayrou Cahors >> Black fruit and some leather, tannins mostly resolved, pleasant though >> not exciting. ?B > > >Had a 1982 of the same a few weeks ago - much the same apart from tannins >resolved into nothingness! >Almost Pinot noir like in colour and softness. Stop! You guys are killin' me! JJ |
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On Nov 2, 5:11�am, wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 07:48:58 -0700 (PDT), DaleW > > wrote: > > >1989 Ch. du Cayrou Cahors > >Black fruit and some leather, tannins mostly resolved, pleasant though > >not exciting. �B > > Darn. I recently picked up a bottle of this (from the same guy in > Seattle you did?). Given that '89 was a pretty solid year, I had > higher hopes. > > I also have a bottle of the 1982 Cayrou. Maybe it's time for a > "flight" test. > > JJ This wasn't from Garagiste, either CSW or Astor in NY. I didn't think it bad, and it was up against stiff competition, certainly cheapest wine on table. |
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