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I've had a bad week! On Sunday Ohio experienced Cat One hurricane
winds. Hard to believe but true....due to the mixture of the remnents
of Ike passing through along with a jetstream wind of 140mph we had
winds upwards of 75 mph for over six hours creating substantial damage
to homes, tens of thousands of trees toppled, no power to 500,000
homes many won't have power for another week to ten days....I lost a
number of trees and a windshield on my Cayenne...:-( Today while
moving some stuff on my cellar I dropped my only bottle of 1979 Opus
One signed and given to me by Robert Mondavi. It fell and hit
squarely on the punt and broke at about the midpoint..(I have hardwood
floors in my cellar) so I saved the remaining wine, strained it and
drank it. Still fairly youthful, plenty of cassis and a very Bordeaux
like nature with cedar and tobacco notes, a bit of minty eucalyptus
and well resolved tannins. I rue the loss of my hickory nuts, my paw-
paws and my signed Opus One.
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Very sorry to hear you got hit that hard. Amazing to be that strong that
far inland.

Good Luck on getting all back in order.
"Bi!!" > wrote in message
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> I've had a bad week! On Sunday Ohio experienced Cat One hurricane
> winds. Hard to believe but true....due to the mixture of the remnents
> of Ike passing through along with a jetstream wind of 140mph we had
> winds upwards of 75 mph for over six hours creating substantial damage
> to homes, tens of thousands of trees toppled, no power to 500,000
> homes many won't have power for another week to ten days....I lost a
> number of trees and a windshield on my Cayenne...:-( Today while
> moving some stuff on my cellar I dropped my only bottle of 1979 Opus
> One signed and given to me by Robert Mondavi. It fell and hit
> squarely on the punt and broke at about the midpoint..(I have hardwood
> floors in my cellar) so I saved the remaining wine, strained it and
> drank it. Still fairly youthful, plenty of cassis and a very Bordeaux
> like nature with cedar and tobacco notes, a bit of minty eucalyptus
> and well resolved tannins. I rue the loss of my hickory nuts, my paw-
> paws and my signed Opus One.



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Bi!! wrote:
> I've had a bad week! On Sunday Ohio experienced Cat One hurricane
> winds. Hard to believe but true....due to the mixture of the remnents
> of Ike passing through along with a jetstream wind of 140mph we had
> winds upwards of 75 mph for over six hours creating substantial damage
> to homes, tens of thousands of trees toppled, no power to 500,000
> homes many won't have power for another week to ten days....I lost a
> number of trees and a windshield on my Cayenne...:-( Today while
> moving some stuff on my cellar I dropped my only bottle of 1979 Opus
> One signed and given to me by Robert Mondavi. It fell and hit
> squarely on the punt and broke at about the midpoint..(I have hardwood
> floors in my cellar) so I saved the remaining wine, strained it and
> drank it. Still fairly youthful, plenty of cassis and a very Bordeaux
> like nature with cedar and tobacco notes, a bit of minty eucalyptus
> and well resolved tannins. I rue the loss of my hickory nuts, my paw-
> paws and my signed Opus One.


Sorry to hear about the losses, Bill. We got a taste of what you did a
little earlier, with a sudden wind gust that blew a 50 lb planter off
our porch and sent our son's easel about 5 ft northward. Fortunately,
that was the extent of the "damage" at our place, though there were
plenty of downed nuts from the huge black walnut in our backyard. I
understand how you feel about your hickory tree(s), as I'd feel the same
about our walnut. Paw-paws grow fst in these parts, so I hope yours
comes back soon.

Interesting note on the Opus. I've only had a few, and they never
seemed to exciting to me. I wonder if the early versions were perhaps
more interesting?

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"Bi!!" > wrote:

> I've had a bad week! On Sunday Ohio experienced Cat One hurricane
> winds. Hard to believe but true....due to the mixture of the remnents
> of Ike passing through along with a jetstream wind of 140mph we had
> winds upwards of 75 mph for over six hours creating substantial damage
> to homes, tens of thousands of trees toppled, no power to 500,000
> homes many won't have power for another week to ten days....I lost a
> number of trees and a windshield on my Cayenne...:-( Today while
> moving some stuff on my cellar I dropped my only bottle of 1979 Opus
> One signed and given to me by Robert Mondavi. It fell and hit
> squarely on the punt and broke at about the midpoint..(I have hardwood
> floors in my cellar) so I saved the remaining wine, strained it and
> drank it. Still fairly youthful, plenty of cassis and a very Bordeaux
> like nature with cedar and tobacco notes, a bit of minty eucalyptus
> and well resolved tannins. I rue the loss of my hickory nuts, my paw-
> paws and my signed Opus One.


You have evidently offended Bacchus. That is one thing the insurance
won't cover.
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On Sep 16, 1:13�pm, "Bi!!" > wrote:
> I've had a bad week! �On Sunday Ohio experienced Cat One hurricane
> winds. �Hard to believe but true....due to the mixture of the remnents
> of Ike passing through along with a jetstream wind of 140mph we had
> winds upwards of 75 mph for over six hours creating substantial damage
> to homes, tens of thousands of trees toppled, no power to 500,000
> homes many won't have power for another week to ten days....I lost a
> number of trees and a windshield on my Cayenne...:-( �Today while
> moving some stuff on my cellar I dropped my only bottle of 1979 Opus
> One signed and given to me by Robert Mondavi. �It fell and hit
> squarely on the punt and broke at about the midpoint..(I have hardwood
> floors in my cellar) so I saved the remaining wine, strained it and
> drank it. �Still fairly youthful, plenty of cassis and a very Bordeaux
> like nature with cedar and tobacco notes, a bit of minty eucalyptus
> and well resolved tannins. �I rue the loss of my hickory nuts, my paw-
> paws and my signed Opus One.


Sorry for your losses, but glad you were safe and it sounds like house
did ok!


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On Sep 16, 2:27�pm, Mark Lipton > wrote:
> Bi!! wrote:
> > I've had a bad week! �On Sunday Ohio experienced Cat One hurricane
> > winds. �Hard to believe but true....due to the mixture of the remnents
> > of Ike passing through along with a jetstream wind of 140mph we had
> > winds upwards of 75 mph for over six hours creating substantial damage
> > to homes, tens of thousands of trees toppled, no power to 500,000
> > homes many won't have power for another week to ten days....I lost a
> > number of trees and a windshield on my Cayenne...:-( �Today while
> > moving some stuff on my cellar I dropped my only bottle of 1979 Opus
> > One signed and given to me by Robert Mondavi. �It fell and hit
> > squarely on the punt and broke at about the midpoint..(I have hardwood
> > floors in my cellar) so I saved the remaining wine, strained it and
> > drank it. �Still fairly youthful, plenty of cassis and a very Bordeaux
> > like nature with cedar and tobacco notes, a bit of minty eucalyptus
> > and well resolved tannins. �I rue the loss of my hickory nuts, my paw-
> > paws and my signed Opus One.

>
> Sorry to hear about the losses, Bill. �We got a taste of what you did a
> little earlier, with a sudden wind gust that blew a 50 lb planter off
> our porch and sent our son's easel about 5 ft northward. �Fortunately,
> that was the extent of the "damage" at our place, though there were
> plenty of downed nuts from the huge black walnut in our backyard. �I
> understand how you feel about your hickory tree(s), as I'd feel the same
> about our walnut. �Paw-paws grow fst in these parts, so I hope yours
> comes back soon.
>
> Interesting note on the Opus. �I've only had a few, and they never
> seemed to exciting to me. �I wonder if the early versions were perhaps
> more interesting?
>
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The paw-paw trees are fine, all of the fruit has been blown off of
them though and they were just getting ripe! We use them in salads,
salsa's etc.
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Mark Lipton wrote:

> Interesting note on the Opus. I've only had a few, and they never
> seemed to exciting to me. I wonder if the early versions were perhaps
> more interesting?


I've bought a few bottles over the years as gifts but never tried any
myself. I do recall one year in the late 90's that Opus One scored 100
in WS although that doesnt mean much.
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On Sep 16, 9:16�pm, Miles > wrote:
> Mark Lipton wrote:
> > Interesting note on the Opus. �I've only had a few, and they never
> > seemed to exciting to me. �I wonder if the early versions were perhaps
> > more interesting?

>
> I've bought a few bottles over the years as gifts but never tried any
> myself. �I do recall one year in the late 90's that Opus One scored 100
> in WS although that doesnt mean much.


I just did some checking. The highest rating Opus One ever recieved
was 96 points in the WS for 1990..Parker scored the same wine at 90
points. The highest score Parker ever gave Opus was 94 points for the
1996 vintage which WS gave 88 points. So much for consistancy in
scores. Over the years Opus has never done very well from a score
stanpoint but sold mostly on cachet. I was never much of a fan of
Opus but the bottle of '79 was a gift from Robert Mondavi that I
recieved when visiting the winery (Mondavi) back in the 80's. I
bought a number of cases of the Mondavi Reserve Cabernet and he came
over and introduced himself and as we chatted he asked me if I knew
about Opus One, I said that I had but hadn't tasted it so he
dispatched someone to bring a bottle and the young man brought a
bottle of the 1979 which Robert signed and personalized and told me to
drink it with friends then come back and buy cases of it.
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Bi!! wrote:

> I just did some checking. The highest rating Opus One ever recieved
> was 96 points in the WS for 1990.

I found a few websites that listed a couple other 96 rated years. When
I bought Opus One in the late 90's I sure remember reading the WS
website where it showed a 100 rating. But you're correct, I don't see
anything higher than a 96. In the 80's I loved Caymus Select. An
affordable (<$30 USD) with several outstanding years for the money.
Then it caught on and skyrocketed to over $100. Not worth it.
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On Sep 18, 12:14�am, miles > wrote:
> Bi!! wrote:
> > I just did some checking. �The highest rating Opus One ever recieved
> > was 96 points in the WS for 1990.

>
> I found a few websites that listed a couple other 96 rated years. �When
> I bought Opus One in the late 90's I sure remember reading the WS
> website where it showed a 100 rating. �But you're correct, I don't see
> anything higher than a 96. �In the 80's I loved Caymus Select. �An
> affordable (<$30 USD) with several outstanding years for the money.
> Then it caught on and skyrocketed to over $100. �Not worth it.


You metioned WS so that's the source that I checked. No doubt there
are other rankings out there (like Parker) but if you average them
you'll find that overall Opus has had a fairly mediocre run in terms
of scores from major publications. Caymus SS, on the other hand is
consistantly one of the highest scoring wines on WS list over the
years with a much higher average score from both WS and Parker. I
still buy a few bottles of SS every year and haven't been disappointed.


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> On Sep 18, 12:14?am, miles > wrote:
> > Bi!! wrote:
> > > I just did some checking. ?The highest rating Opus One ever recieved
> > > was 96 points in the WS for 1990.

> >
> > I found a few websites that listed a couple other 96 rated years. ?When
> > I bought Opus One in the late 90's I sure remember reading the WS
> > website where it showed a 100 rating. ?But you're correct, I don't see
> > anything higher than a 96. ?In the 80's I loved Caymus Select. ?An
> > affordable (<$30 USD) with several outstanding years for the money.
> > Then it caught on and skyrocketed to over $100. ?Not worth it.

>
> You metioned WS so that's the source that I checked. No doubt there
> are other rankings out there (like Parker) but if you average them
> you'll find that overall Opus has had a fairly mediocre run in terms
> of scores from major publications. Caymus SS, on the other hand is
> consistantly one of the highest scoring wines on WS list over the
> years with a much higher average score from both WS and Parker. I
> still buy a few bottles of SS every year and haven't been disappointed.


I have been unimpressed with Opus One since it came out. It is not a
Bordeaux no matter what they try to do and it way to expensive for what
it is just an average Cal Cab blend. There are many I like better at a
better price point. The latest Chappellet Cab is nice and at $39 a much
better buy. I recently tasted the Cinq Cepage at the winery and that one
is going for double this and offers less than half the enjoyment. Caymus
was nice at both Reserve and barrel tastings at the winery but the price
of it has also gotten out of hand.
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I totally agree with you on pricing of Caymus and the select. I remember
buying for $35 a bottle for the 92/92...by 96 about $69 and that was my last
bottle.

In my opinion, Caymus is not or has not been a great ager since 1985
vintage.


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> >,
> "Bi!!" > wrote:
>
>> On Sep 18, 12:14?am, miles > wrote:
>> > Bi!! wrote:
>> > > I just did some checking. ?The highest rating Opus One ever recieved
>> > > was 96 points in the WS for 1990.
>> >
>> > I found a few websites that listed a couple other 96 rated years. ?When
>> > I bought Opus One in the late 90's I sure remember reading the WS
>> > website where it showed a 100 rating. ?But you're correct, I don't see
>> > anything higher than a 96. ?In the 80's I loved Caymus Select. ?An
>> > affordable (<$30 USD) with several outstanding years for the money.
>> > Then it caught on and skyrocketed to over $100. ?Not worth it.

>>
>> You metioned WS so that's the source that I checked. No doubt there
>> are other rankings out there (like Parker) but if you average them
>> you'll find that overall Opus has had a fairly mediocre run in terms
>> of scores from major publications. Caymus SS, on the other hand is
>> consistantly one of the highest scoring wines on WS list over the
>> years with a much higher average score from both WS and Parker. I
>> still buy a few bottles of SS every year and haven't been disappointed.

>
> I have been unimpressed with Opus One since it came out. It is not a
> Bordeaux no matter what they try to do and it way to expensive for what
> it is just an average Cal Cab blend. There are many I like better at a
> better price point. The latest Chappellet Cab is nice and at $39 a much
> better buy. I recently tasted the Cinq Cepage at the winery and that one
> is going for double this and offers less than half the enjoyment. Caymus
> was nice at both Reserve and barrel tastings at the winery but the price
> of it has also gotten out of hand.



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On Sep 18, 12:35�pm, "Richard Neidich" > wrote:
> I totally agree with you on pricing of Caymus and the select. �I remember
> buying for $35 a bottle for the 92/92...by 96 about $69 and that was my last
> bottle.
>
> In my opinion, Caymus is not or has not been a great ager since 1985
> vintage.
>
> "Lawrence Leichtman" > wrote in message
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> ...
>
>
>
> > In article
> > >,
> > "Bi!!" > wrote:

>
> >> On Sep 18, 12:14?am, miles > wrote:
> >> > Bi!! wrote:
> >> > > I just did some checking. ?The highest rating Opus One ever recieved
> >> > > was 96 points in the WS for 1990.

>
> >> > I found a few websites that listed a couple other 96 rated years. ?When
> >> > I bought Opus One in the late 90's I sure remember reading the WS
> >> > website where it showed a 100 rating. ?But you're correct, I don't see
> >> > anything higher than a 96. ?In the 80's I loved Caymus Select. ?An
> >> > affordable (<$30 USD) with several outstanding years for the money.
> >> > Then it caught on and skyrocketed to over $100. ?Not worth it.

>
> >> You metioned WS so that's the source that I checked. �No doubt there
> >> are other rankings out there (like Parker) but if you average them
> >> you'll find that overall Opus has had a fairly mediocre run in terms
> >> of scores from major publications. �Caymus SS, on the other hand is
> >> consistantly one of the highest scoring wines on WS list over the
> >> years with a much higher average score from both WS and Parker. �I
> >> still buy a few bottles of SS every year and haven't been disappointed..

>
> > I have been unimpressed with Opus One since it came out. It is not a
> > Bordeaux no matter what they try to do and it way to expensive for what
> > it is just an average Cal Cab blend. There are many I like better at a
> > better price point. The latest Chappellet Cab is nice and at $39 a much
> > better buy. I recently tasted the Cinq Cepage at the winery and that one
> > is going for double this and offers less than half the enjoyment. Caymus
> > was nice at both Reserve and barrel tastings at the winery but the price
> > of it has also gotten out of hand.- Hide quoted text -

>
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epends on what you mean by "great ager". I recently opened a bottle
of 1990 and a1997 Caymus SS and both were still quite young. At 18
and 11 and still relatively young I'd say it aged pretty well and
still has a number of years left.
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> I totally agree with you on pricing of Caymus and the select. I remember
> buying for $35 a bottle for the 92/92...by 96 about $69 and that was my last
> bottle.
>
> In my opinion, Caymus is not or has not been a great ager since 1985
> vintage.


I was a big fan of Caymus in the '80s, when I could get the estate Cab
for $10-15 a bottle. I was never as fond of the SS, which was so oaky
at release, even if it did become integrated with age (my cellaring
facilities were non-existent back then). Starting with the '91, the
prices shot through the roof and the style changed to a more forward,
fleshy wine that lacked the structure of earlier Caymus Cabs. I
attribute many of those changes to the generational change from Charlie,
a crusty old farmer, to Chuck, a more slick and commercially oriented
Wagner (and to the influence of one critic in MD). They weren't alone
is that change, as it was happening all over Napa, but I haven't bought
a Caymus wine since.

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On Sep 18, 1:02�pm, Mark Lipton > wrote:
> Richard Neidich wrote:
> > I totally agree with you on pricing of Caymus and the select. �I remember
> > buying for $35 a bottle for the 92/92...by 96 about $69 and that was my last
> > bottle.

>
> > In my opinion, Caymus is not or has not been a great ager since 1985
> > vintage.

>
> I was a big fan of Caymus in the '80s, when I could get the estate Cab
> for $10-15 a bottle. �I was never as fond of the SS, which was so oaky
> at release, even if it did become integrated with age (my cellaring
> facilities were non-existent back then). �Starting with the '91, the
> prices shot through the roof and the style changed to a more forward,
> fleshy wine that lacked the structure of earlier Caymus Cabs. �I
> attribute many of those changes to the generational change from Charlie,
> a crusty old farmer, to Chuck, a more slick and commercially oriented
> Wagner (and to the influence of one critic in MD). �They weren't alone
> is that change, as it was happening all over Napa, but I haven't bought
> a Caymus wine since.
>
> Mark Lipton
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Mark,
Certainly I'm not a big fan of the fleshy style made popular
through the mid to late 90's in California then to the rest of the
world as "Parkerized" wines but Caymus SS is one of the few that I
still enjoy. The fruit is clean and elegant, the oak is a bit more
restrained these days. If you ever make it to Columbus I would look
forward to going through a number of vintages with you and getting
your impression....of course after we plow through a few Dujac's,
Vogue's and Meo Camuzets!
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