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1998 Opus One
I ran across a bottle of 1998 Opus One in my cellar which I assume I
was gifted since I haven't bought a bottle of Opus in my life. I've drank it many times from a variety of vintages and never found it quite up to its hype. This bottle was no exception. The wine was medium to light reddish purple in the glass with a bit of pink at the rim. Fairly mature nose of red currant, plum, leather and a bit of sous bois. The palate was underwhleming with little impact other than faint hints of red plum, a hint of currant and a bit of red berries. The tannins were fairly inconsequential and the finish was light. I served this wine blind to my dinner guests and they all guessed that it was a cheap Bordeaux from a borderline appellation. On a 0-5 scale my guests gave it a 1.5 and were shocked when I revealed it to be Opus One. A quick check on Winesearcher shows pricing from $100USD to $350USd....Yikes! |
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1998 Opus One
Yikes! indeed.
On 2007-11-19 09:10:11 -0800, "Bi!!" > said: > I ran across a bottle of 1998 Opus One in my cellar which I assume I > was gifted since I haven't bought a bottle of Opus in my life. I've > drank it many times from a variety of vintages and never found it > quite up to its hype. This bottle was no exception. The wine was > medium to light reddish purple in the glass with a bit of pink at the > rim. Fairly mature nose of red currant, plum, leather and a bit of > sous bois. The palate was underwhleming with little impact other than > faint hints of red plum, a hint of currant and a bit of red berries. > The tannins were fairly inconsequential and the finish was light. I > served this wine blind to my dinner guests and they all guessed that > it was a cheap Bordeaux from a borderline appellation. On a 0-5 scale > my guests gave it a 1.5 and were shocked when I revealed it to be Opus > One. A quick check on Winesearcher shows pricing from $100USD to > $350USd....Yikes! |
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1998 Opus One
Bi!! wrote:
> I ran across a bottle of 1998 Opus One in my cellar which I assume I > was gifted since I haven't bought a bottle of Opus in my life. I've > drank it many times from a variety of vintages and never found it > quite up to its hype. This bottle was no exception. The wine was > medium to light reddish purple in the glass with a bit of pink at the > rim. Fairly mature nose of red currant, plum, leather and a bit of > sous bois. The palate was underwhleming with little impact other than > faint hints of red plum, a hint of currant and a bit of red berries. > The tannins were fairly inconsequential and the finish was light. 1998 was a mediocre vintage in California. In general, Napa Valley reds were all a bit light, some more than others. I did taste the '98 Opus One shortly after release and found it quite light on the palate and vaguely recall even a bit of something like green olive which *might* have matured into sous bois. After the string of 1994-1997 vintages of Opus One which seemed to indicate that Opus One had become a real contender (though still over-hyped), 1998 was disappointing, even when the mediocre vintage is taken into account. I was a Mondavi shareholder at the time, and went back to Opus One a few months later to taste the '98 again, with identical impressions. > I served this wine blind to my dinner guests and they all guessed that > it was a cheap Bordeaux from a borderline appellation. On a 0-5 scale > my guests gave it a 1.5 and were shocked when I revealed it to be Opus > One. A quick check on Winesearcher shows pricing from $100USD to > $350USd....Yikes! It's just amazing. I'm sure there are collectors out there that just have to have a '98 to make complete vertical or something. I'd much rather buy a case of current vintage BV Rutherford Cab than one bottle of '98 Opus One. Dana |
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>, "Bi!!" > wrote: > I ran across a bottle of 1998 Opus One in my cellar which I assume I > was gifted since I haven't bought a bottle of Opus in my life. I've > drank it many times from a variety of vintages and never found it > quite up to its hype. This bottle was no exception. The wine was > medium to light reddish purple in the glass with a bit of pink at the > rim. Fairly mature nose of red currant, plum, leather and a bit of > sous bois. The palate was underwhleming with little impact other than > faint hints of red plum, a hint of currant and a bit of red berries. > The tannins were fairly inconsequential and the finish was light. I > served this wine blind to my dinner guests and they all guessed that > it was a cheap Bordeaux from a borderline appellation. On a 0-5 scale > my guests gave it a 1.5 and were shocked when I revealed it to be Opus > One. A quick check on Winesearcher shows pricing from $100USD to > $350USd....Yikes! I have never understood the appeal. I have had 10 different vintages of what I thought was an OK $25-30 wine. |
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1998 Opus One
Dana Myers wrote:
> 1998 was a mediocre vintage in California. In general, Napa > Valley reds were all a bit light, some more than others. I did > taste the '98 Opus One shortly after release and found it quite > light on the palate and vaguely recall even a bit of something like > green olive which *might* have matured into sous bois. Dana, Although '98 was no '97 or '99, many of the better producers made very credible wines in that year. In many ways, I preferred the wines of '98 to other, more ballyhooed years -- and that's reflected in my cellar, where I have more '98 Napa Cabs than '97 or '99. De gustibus, and all that... And, yes, Opus *is* overhyped :-) Mark Lipton -- alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com |
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Mark Lipton wrote:
> Dana Myers wrote: > >> 1998 was a mediocre vintage in California. In general, Napa >> Valley reds were all a bit light, some more than others. I did >> taste the '98 Opus One shortly after release and found it quite >> light on the palate and vaguely recall even a bit of something like >> green olive which *might* have matured into sous bois. > > Dana, > Although '98 was no '97 or '99, many of the better producers made > very credible wines in that year. In many ways, I preferred the wines > of '98 to other, more ballyhooed years -- and that's reflected in my > cellar, where I have more '98 Napa Cabs than '97 or '99. I absolutely agree that many good California wines were made in 1998; I suspect I wouldn't be cellaring the vast majority of them too long, though. > De gustibus, and all that... And, yes, Opus *is* overhyped :-) Yup. Dana |
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1998 Opus One
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:11:48 -0500, Lawrence Leichtman
> wrote: > >I have never understood the appeal. I have had 10 different vintages of >what I thought was an OK $25-30 wine. It's interesting that the general opinion is that Opus One is overrated. My only experience of it was in a restaurant in Macau in 2000. Thankfully, I wasn't buying. I don't know the vintage but I found it pleasant and quite drinkable though lacking a little in elegance. I recall that there were a number of clarets on the list that I would rather have had and that my comment to friends on returning to the UK was that the Columbia "David Lake" Cabernet that we'd been drinking in the summer of that year was a much better wine. The only thing to write home about was that the Opus wasn't anything to write home about. James James Dempster You know you've had a good night when you wake up and someone's outlining you in chalk. |
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1998 Opus One
On Nov 19, 2:21�pm, Dana Myers > wrote:
> Bi!! wrote: > > I ran across a bottle of 1998 Opus One in my cellar which I assume I > > was gifted since I haven't bought a bottle of Opus in my life. �I've > > drank it many times from a variety of vintages and never found it > > quite up to its hype. �This bottle was no exception. �The wine was > > medium to light reddish purple in the glass with a bit of pink at the > > rim. �Fairly mature nose of red currant, plum, leather and a bit of > > sous bois. �The palate was underwhleming with little impact other than > > faint hints of red plum, a hint of currant and a bit of red berries. > > The tannins were fairly inconsequential and the finish was light. > > 1998 was a mediocre vintage in California. �In general, Napa > Valley reds were all a bit light, some more than others. �I did > taste the '98 Opus One shortly after release and found it quite > light on the palate and vaguely recall even a bit of something like > green olive which *might* have matured into sous bois. �After the > string of 1994-1997 vintages of Opus One which seemed to indicate > that Opus One had become a real contender (though still over-hyped), > 1998 was disappointing, even when the mediocre vintage is taken > into account. �I was a Mondavi shareholder at the time, and went > back to Opus One a few months later to taste the '98 again, with > identical impressions. > > > I served this wine blind to my dinner guests and they all guessed that > > it was a cheap Bordeaux from a borderline appellation. �On a 0-5 scale > > my guests gave it a 1.5 and were shocked when I revealed it to be Opus > > One. �A quick check on Winesearcher shows pricing from $100USD to > > $350USd....Yikes! > > It's just amazing. �I'm sure there are collectors out there that > just have to have a '98 to make complete vertical or something. > I'd much rather buy a case of current vintage BV Rutherford Cab > than one bottle of '98 Opus One. > > Dana I understand that 1998 wasn't up to the standards set by other vintages in Napa but I've had a number of wines (Caymus, Shafer Hillside Select, Phelps Insignia, etc) from the '98 vintage that were quite good and are still drinking well. I recently read the "House of Mondavi" and after reading it I'm surprised that they were able to produce any decent wine at all. It seems that if it weren't for the high quality fruit that they were blessed with that they would have really had a bust on theri hands with Opus. Too many chefs in the kitchen, etc. I also seem to recall that the pricing for Opus was basically done by the Baron by taking the benchmark for pricing of luxury Napa cabernet and doubling it. |
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>, "Bi!!" > wrote: > On Nov 19, 2:21?pm, Dana Myers > wrote: > > Bi!! wrote: > > > I ran across a bottle of 1998 Opus One in my cellar which I assume I > > > was gifted since I haven't bought a bottle of Opus in my life. ?I've > > > drank it many times from a variety of vintages and never found it > > > quite up to its hype. ?This bottle was no exception. ?The wine was > > > medium to light reddish purple in the glass with a bit of pink at the > > > rim. ?Fairly mature nose of red currant, plum, leather and a bit of > > > sous bois. ?The palate was underwhleming with little impact other than > > > faint hints of red plum, a hint of currant and a bit of red berries. > > > The tannins were fairly inconsequential and the finish was light. > > > > 1998 was a mediocre vintage in California. ?In general, Napa > > Valley reds were all a bit light, some more than others. ?I did > > taste the '98 Opus One shortly after release and found it quite > > light on the palate and vaguely recall even a bit of something like > > green olive which *might* have matured into sous bois. ?After the > > string of 1994-1997 vintages of Opus One which seemed to indicate > > that Opus One had become a real contender (though still over-hyped), > > 1998 was disappointing, even when the mediocre vintage is taken > > into account. ?I was a Mondavi shareholder at the time, and went > > back to Opus One a few months later to taste the '98 again, with > > identical impressions. > > > > > I served this wine blind to my dinner guests and they all guessed that > > > it was a cheap Bordeaux from a borderline appellation. ?On a 0-5 scale > > > my guests gave it a 1.5 and were shocked when I revealed it to be Opus > > > One. ?A quick check on Winesearcher shows pricing from $100USD to > > > $350USd....Yikes! > > > > It's just amazing. ?I'm sure there are collectors out there that > > just have to have a '98 to make complete vertical or something. > > I'd much rather buy a case of current vintage BV Rutherford Cab > > than one bottle of '98 Opus One. > > > > Dana > > I understand that 1998 wasn't up to the standards set by other > vintages in Napa but I've had a number of wines (Caymus, Shafer > Hillside Select, Phelps Insignia, etc) from the '98 vintage that were > quite good and are still drinking well. I recently read the "House of > Mondavi" and after reading it I'm surprised that they were able to > produce any decent wine at all. It seems that if it weren't for the > high quality fruit that they were blessed with that they would have > really had a bust on theri hands with Opus. Too many chefs in the > kitchen, etc. I also seem to recall that the pricing for Opus was > basically done by the Baron by taking the benchmark for pricing of > luxury Napa cabernet and doubling it. I had a Shafer Hillside select from 1998 last night with Osso Buco. Great combination and nice wine so there is plenty of cabernet from 1998 that is good. |
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1998 Opus One
Bi!! wrote:
> I understand that 1998 wasn't up to the standards set by other > vintages in Napa but I've had a number of wines (Caymus, Shafer > Hillside Select, Phelps Insignia, etc) from the '98 vintage that were > quite good and are still drinking well. Sure; I didn't think my statement said there was *no* good Napa wine in 1998, at least I hope no one gets that impression. It's really the hallmark of a great producer to make a good wine in a challenging year, and there were many examples of that in the 1998 vintage. If I recall correctly, Wine Spectator basically wrote 1998 off as a flop, which wasn't the case at all, but it's true that 1998 wasn't a "normal" year for California wines. Dana |
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1998 Opus One
On Nov 20, 4:59 am, Mark Lipton > wrote:
> and all that... And, yes, Opus *is* overhyped :-) > > Mark Lipton Aren't most Cali Cabs? :-) Salil |
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1998 Opus One
Salil wrote:
> On Nov 20, 4:59 am, Mark Lipton > wrote: > >>and all that... And, yes, Opus *is* overhyped :-) > Aren't most Cali Cabs? :-) I refuse to take that bait, Salil. :P Mark Lipton -- alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com |
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Mark Lipton wrote:
> Salil wrote: >> On Nov 20, 4:59 am, Mark Lipton > wrote: >> >>> and all that... And, yes, Opus *is* overhyped :-) > >> Aren't most Cali Cabs? :-) > > I refuse to take that bait, Salil. :P Well, a rising tide hypes all boats, right? Dana |
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