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I'd like to introduce a subject of which I'm sure not many will have a great
deal of knowledge. I've been a lurker here for quite some time, reading and enjoying the opinions. Before I wrote this post, I questioned a prominent member of the group by email as to whether it would be permissable here. Reason being, I've just started something that combines three of my loves... Travel, China, and Wine. Believe it or not, China has some very good wines now, and with the help of some forward-thinking people from different countries, they're learning how to improve both the quality and quantity of their wine, and become a real world force in the wine industry. Granted, some Chinese wine is shall we say...made in China, if you get my drift. But there are now over 300 wineries there and the desire to compete with the rest of the world is strong. With that in mind, here's a small portion of a press release that is being distributed this week... "Taste the Culture of 5,000 Years" --China Wine Tours is the first travel organization in the United States with a focus on this exciting new way to visit China. Travelers are introduced to the history and culture of China and to what promises to be more than just the 'talk of the town', it will be the talk of the world for those who want to enjoy a unique wine-travel experience. "Our tours are designed to showcase the rapidly growing wine industry in China, along with the ancient sites everyone is familiar with," said George Aballi, CWT travel agent. If you want to read the whole press release you can find it at http://chinawinetours.blogspot.com and the China Wine Tours website is at http://www.chinawinetours.com And, I'd appreciate your comments on Chinese wine, if anyone has had the opportunity to taste it (besides me)! -- Marc |
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On Jun 20, 12:33?am, "Military Brats Registry" <webmas...@SPAM-
Xmilitarybrat.com> wrote: > I'd like to introduce a subject of which I'm sure not many will have a great > deal of knowledge. I've been a lurker here for quite some time, reading and > enjoying the opinions. Before I wrote this post, I questioned a prominent > member of the group by email as to whether it would be permissable here. > Reason being, I've just started something that combines three of my loves... > Travel, China, and Wine. Believe it or not, China has some very good wines > now, and with the help of some forward-thinking people from different > countries, they're learning how to improve both the quality and quantity of > their wine, and become a real world force in the wine industry. Granted, > some Chinese wine is shall we say...made in China, if you get my drift. But > there are now over 300 wineries there and the desire to compete with the > rest of the world is strong. With that in mind, here's a small portion of a > press release that is being distributed this week... > > "Taste the Culture of 5,000 Years" --China Wine Tours is the first travel > organization in the United States with a focus on this exciting new way to > visit China. Travelers are introduced to the history and culture of China > and to what promises to be more than just the 'talk of the town', it will > be the talk of the world for those who want to enjoy a unique wine-travel > experience. "Our tours are designed to showcase the rapidly growing wine > industry in China, along with the ancient sites everyone is familiar with," > said George Aballi, CWT travel agent. > > If you want to read the whole press release you can find it athttp://chinawinetours.blogspot.comand the China Wine Tours website is athttp://www.chinawinetours.com > > And, I'd appreciate your comments on Chinese wine, if anyone has had the > opportunity to taste it (besides me)! > > -- > Marc The only Chinese wine I ever tasted (Great Wall?) was truly wretched, but I have heard there are some serious efforts underway. Good luck with your venture (might wanna edit your PR guy/gal a bit- "Mr. Wakham's taste buds want to blow the cellar doors off of this once forbidden land so everyone can experience the emerging world of Chinese wine" ) |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:22:37 -0000, DaleW > wrote:
> On Jun 20, 12:33?am, "Military Brats Registry" <webmas...@SPAM- > Xmilitarybrat.com> wrote: > > I'd like to introduce a subject of which I'm sure not many will have a great > > deal of knowledge. I've been a lurker here for quite some time, reading and > > enjoying the opinions. Before I wrote this post, I questioned a prominent > > member of the group by email as to whether it would be permissable here. > > Reason being, I've just started something that combines three of my loves... > > Travel, China, and Wine. Believe it or not, China has some very good wines > > now, and with the help of some forward-thinking people from different > > And, I'd appreciate your comments on Chinese wine, if anyone has had the > > opportunity to taste it (besides me)! > The only Chinese wine I ever tasted (Great Wall?) was truly wretched, > but I have heard there are some serious efforts underway. My experience was like your. I visited China six years ago, and tasted several Chinese wines while there. I can no longer remember any of their names, but Great Wall does sound familiar. "Truly wretched" is a good way to describe all the wines I had. If there are better wines made there now, I'm glad to hear it, but I doubt if there's enough of a market in China to sustain a serious wine industry. -- Ken Blake Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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You are right about Great Wall...Dynasty being the other, though slightly
better than Dynasty but so far not recommendable. The first time I tried Great Wall it was recommended in a restaurant. Not only did I not finish the glass...the bottle sat there nearly full when I left. Changye is another popular brand there but I haven't tried it yet. Grace Vineyards (http://www.grace-vineyard.com/welcome/index.html) is making a great effort, and I was very pleased with their 2002 Tasya's Reserve Chardonnay (even though I'm mainly a red fanatic...for health reasons of course). I brought some back on my last trip and opened it with Paolo Wakham and am happy to report he was surprisingly pleased also. I'm planning to visit several wineries next month. It's not so much that there's a market in China for wine, it's that the Chinese have finally figured out that there's a market in the rest of the world! Trust me..they'll do very well within the next 5 years. -- Marc "Ken Blake" > wrote in message ... > On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:22:37 -0000, DaleW > wrote: > >> On Jun 20, 12:33?am, "Military Brats Registry" <webmas...@SPAM- >> Xmilitarybrat.com> wrote: > >> > I'd like to introduce a subject of which I'm sure not many will have a >> > great >> > deal of knowledge. I've been a lurker here for quite some time, >> > reading and >> > enjoying the opinions. Before I wrote this post, I questioned a >> > prominent >> > member of the group by email as to whether it would be permissable >> > here. >> > Reason being, I've just started something that combines three of my >> > loves... >> > Travel, China, and Wine. Believe it or not, China has some very good >> > wines >> > now, and with the help of some forward-thinking people from different > >> > And, I'd appreciate your comments on Chinese wine, if anyone has had >> > the >> > opportunity to taste it (besides me)! > >> The only Chinese wine I ever tasted (Great Wall?) was truly wretched, >> but I have heard there are some serious efforts underway. > > > My experience was like your. I visited China six years ago, and tasted > several Chinese wines while there. I can no longer remember any of > their names, but Great Wall does sound familiar. > > "Truly wretched" is a good way to describe all the wines I had. > > If there are better wines made there now, I'm glad to hear it, but I > doubt if there's enough of a market in China to sustain a serious wine > industry. > > -- > Ken Blake > Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:48:21 -0700, "Military Brats Registry"
> wrote: > It's not so much that there's a market in China for > wine, it's that the Chinese have finally figured out that there's a market > in the rest of the world! Trust me..they'll do very well within the next 5 > years. Sorry, but no, I won't trust you. I neither believe nor disbelieve this, but will wait to see for myself. I'm skeptical, but willing to admit that I could be wrong. -- Ken Blake Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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No problem Ken!
-- Marc > >> It's not so much that there's a market in China for >> wine, it's that the Chinese have finally figured out that there's a >> market >> in the rest of the world! Trust me..they'll do very well within the next >> 5 >> years. > > > Sorry, but no, I won't trust you. I neither believe nor disbelieve > this, but will wait to see for myself. I'm skeptical, but willing to > admit that I could be wrong. > > -- > Ken Blake > Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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On Jun 20, 12:33 am, "Military Brats Registry" <webmas...@SPAM-
Xmilitarybrat.com> wrote: > I'd like to introduce a subject of which I'm sure not many will have a great > deal of knowledge. I've been a lurker here for quite some time, reading and > enjoying the opinions. Before I wrote this post, I questioned a prominent > member of the group by email as to whether it would be permissable here. > Reason being, I've just started something that combines three of my loves... > Travel, China, and Wine. Believe it or not, China has some very good wines > now, and with the help of some forward-thinking people from different > countries, they're learning how to improve both the quality and quantity of > their wine, and become a real world force in the wine industry. Granted, > some Chinese wine is shall we say...made in China, if you get my drift. But > there are now over 300 wineries there and the desire to compete with the > rest of the world is strong. With that in mind, here's a small portion of a > press release that is being distributed this week... > > "Taste the Culture of 5,000 Years" --China Wine Tours is the first travel > organization in the United States with a focus on this exciting new way to > visit China. Travelers are introduced to the history and culture of China > and to what promises to be more than just the 'talk of the town', it will > be the talk of the world for those who want to enjoy a unique wine-travel > experience. "Our tours are designed to showcase the rapidly growing wine > industry in China, along with the ancient sites everyone is familiar with," > said George Aballi, CWT travel agent. > > If you want to read the whole press release you can find it athttp://chinawinetours.blogspot.comand the China Wine Tours website is athttp://www.chinawinetours.com > > And, I'd appreciate your comments on Chinese wine, if anyone has had the > opportunity to taste it (besides me)! > > -- > Marc Yeah, right. |
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"Military Brats Registry" > wrote: > You are right about Great Wall...Dynasty being the other, though slightly > better than Dynasty but so far not recommendable. The first time I tried > Great Wall it was recommended in a restaurant. Not only did I not finish > the glass...the bottle sat there nearly full when I left. Changye is > another popular brand there but I haven't tried it yet. Grace Vineyards > (http://www.grace-vineyard.com/welcome/index.html) is making a great effort, > and I was very pleased with their 2002 Tasya's Reserve Chardonnay (even > though I'm mainly a red fanatic...for health reasons of course). I brought > some back on my last trip and opened it with Paolo Wakham and am happy to > report he was surprisingly pleased also. I'm planning to visit several > wineries next month. It's not so much that there's a market in China for > wine, it's that the Chinese have finally figured out that there's a market > in the rest of the world! Trust me..they'll do very well within the next 5 > years. > > -- > Marc > > > "Ken Blake" > wrote in message > ... > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:22:37 -0000, DaleW > wrote: > > > >> On Jun 20, 12:33?am, "Military Brats Registry" <webmas...@SPAM- > >> Xmilitarybrat.com> wrote: > > > >> > I'd like to introduce a subject of which I'm sure not many will have a > >> > great > >> > deal of knowledge. I've been a lurker here for quite some time, > >> > reading and > >> > enjoying the opinions. Before I wrote this post, I questioned a > >> > prominent > >> > member of the group by email as to whether it would be permissable > >> > here. > >> > Reason being, I've just started something that combines three of my > >> > loves... > >> > Travel, China, and Wine. Believe it or not, China has some very good > >> > wines > >> > now, and with the help of some forward-thinking people from different > > > >> > And, I'd appreciate your comments on Chinese wine, if anyone has had > >> > the > >> > opportunity to taste it (besides me)! > > > >> The only Chinese wine I ever tasted (Great Wall?) was truly wretched, > >> but I have heard there are some serious efforts underway. > > > > > > My experience was like your. I visited China six years ago, and tasted > > several Chinese wines while there. I can no longer remember any of > > their names, but Great Wall does sound familiar. > > > > "Truly wretched" is a good way to describe all the wines I had. > > > > If there are better wines made there now, I'm glad to hear it, but I > > doubt if there's enough of a market in China to sustain a serious wine > > industry. > > > > -- > > Ken Blake > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup Ditto, tried many Chinese wines while on several trips. One seemed to be worse than the other. Great Wall was just nasty. Stuck to beer after all of that. |
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> On Jun 20, 12:33?am, "Military Brats Registry" > <webmas...@SPAM- Xmilitarybrat.com> wrote: >> I'd like to introduce a subject of which I'm >> sure not many will have a great >> deal of knowledge. I've been a lurker here for >> quite some time, reading and >> enjoying the opinions. Before I wrote this >> post, I questioned a prominent member of the >> group by email as to whether it would be >> permissable here. Reason being, I've just >> started something that combines three of my >> loves... >> Travel, China, and Wine. Believe it or not, >> China has some very good wines now, and with >> the help of some forward-thinking people from >> different countries, they're learning how to >> improve both the quality and quantity of >> their wine, and become a real world force in >> the wine industry. Granted, >> some Chinese wine is shall we say...made in >> China, if you get my drift. But there are now >> over 300 wineries there and the desire to >> compete with the >> rest of the world is strong. With that in >> mind, here's a small portion of a press release >> that is being distributed this week... >> >> "Taste the Culture of 5,000 Years" --China Wine >> Tours is the first travel organization in the >> United States with a focus on this exciting new >> way to visit China. Travelers are introduced to >> the history and culture of China >> and to what promises to be more than just the >> 'talk of the town', it will be the talk of the >> world for those who want to enjoy a unique >> wine-travel >> experience. "Our tours are designed to >> showcase the rapidly growing wine industry in >> China, along with the ancient sites everyone is >> familiar with," said George Aballi, CWT travel >> agent. >> >> If you want to read the whole press release you >> can find it >> athttp://chinawinetours.blogspot.comand the >> China Wine Tours website is >> athttp://www.chinawinetours.com >> >> And, I'd appreciate your comments on Chinese >> wine, if anyone has had the opportunity to >> taste it (besides me)! >> >> -- >> Marc > > The only Chinese wine I ever tasted (Great > Wall?) was truly wretched, but I have heard > there are some serious efforts underway. Good > luck with your venture (might wanna edit your PR > guy/gal a bit- "Mr. Wakham's taste buds want to > blow the cellar doors off of this once forbidden > land so everyone can experience the emerging > world of Chinese wine" ) Give them time. Eventually they will be putting anti freeze in their exported wines to US - or some other poisonous crap. They won't be satisfied with just killing our pets and putting harmful stuff in our toothpaste. The are also currently supplying quite a bit of our over-the-counter drugs and ingredients other drug manufacturers use in their manufactured drugs. The US really does not do any serious quality control over them and what inspections they do have, they warn the Chinese in advance. At the same time, the Bush administration thinks that drugs from CANADA might not be safe and prevents us from getting Canadian drugs cheaper - what a ****ing joke this administration. |
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"Paul E. Lehmann" > wrote: > DaleW wrote: > > > On Jun 20, 12:33?am, "Military Brats Registry" > > <webmas...@SPAM- Xmilitarybrat.com> wrote: > >> I'd like to introduce a subject of which I'm > >> sure not many will have a great > >> deal of knowledge. I've been a lurker here for > >> quite some time, reading and > >> enjoying the opinions. Before I wrote this > >> post, I questioned a prominent member of the > >> group by email as to whether it would be > >> permissable here. Reason being, I've just > >> started something that combines three of my > >> loves... > >> Travel, China, and Wine. Believe it or not, > >> China has some very good wines now, and with > >> the help of some forward-thinking people from > >> different countries, they're learning how to > >> improve both the quality and quantity of > >> their wine, and become a real world force in > >> the wine industry. Granted, > >> some Chinese wine is shall we say...made in > >> China, if you get my drift. But there are now > >> over 300 wineries there and the desire to > >> compete with the > >> rest of the world is strong. With that in > >> mind, here's a small portion of a press release > >> that is being distributed this week... > >> > >> "Taste the Culture of 5,000 Years" --China Wine > >> Tours is the first travel organization in the > >> United States with a focus on this exciting new > >> way to visit China. Travelers are introduced to > >> the history and culture of China > >> and to what promises to be more than just the > >> 'talk of the town', it will be the talk of the > >> world for those who want to enjoy a unique > >> wine-travel > >> experience. "Our tours are designed to > >> showcase the rapidly growing wine industry in > >> China, along with the ancient sites everyone is > >> familiar with," said George Aballi, CWT travel > >> agent. > >> > >> If you want to read the whole press release you > >> can find it > >> athttp://chinawinetours.blogspot.comand the > >> China Wine Tours website is > >> athttp://www.chinawinetours.com > >> > >> And, I'd appreciate your comments on Chinese > >> wine, if anyone has had the opportunity to > >> taste it (besides me)! > >> > >> -- > >> Marc > > > > The only Chinese wine I ever tasted (Great > > Wall?) was truly wretched, but I have heard > > there are some serious efforts underway. Good > > luck with your venture (might wanna edit your PR > > guy/gal a bit- "Mr. Wakham's taste buds want to > > blow the cellar doors off of this once forbidden > > land so everyone can experience the emerging > > world of Chinese wine" ) > > Give them time. Eventually they will be putting > anti freeze in their exported wines to US - or > some other poisonous crap. They won't be > satisfied with just killing our pets and putting > harmful stuff in our toothpaste. > > The are also currently supplying quite a bit of > our over-the-counter drugs and ingredients other > drug manufacturers use in their manufactured > drugs. > > The US really does not do any serious quality > control over them and what inspections they do > have, they warn the Chinese in advance. At the > same time, the Bush administration thinks that > drugs from CANADA might not be safe and prevents > us from getting Canadian drugs cheaper - what a > ****ing joke this administration. Agree on the political comment but I can't fathom why this administration doesn't seem to care what goes in our food or ingested products. They have no great love for China. The issue of adulterated food and wine was such a concern for me that I will not go back to China. Saw enough of it in two trips to fill my quota of severely polluted places. Seriously, if you see what they have done to their own scenic beauty, it is no surprise that they don't care what kind of crap they send everyone else. Makes us look like saints. |
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> > Give them time. Eventually they will be putting > anti freeze in their exported wines to US - or > some other poisonous crap. They won't be > satisfied with just killing our pets and putting > harmful stuff in our toothpaste. > I know that is OT, but about 30 brands of toothpaste, made in China have recently been banned from import into New Zealand because they contain high levels of Ethylene Glycol (anti-freeze) ! -- st.helier |
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Mike Tommasi > wrote: > st.helier wrote: > > "Paul E. Lehmann" wrote ..... > >> Give them time. Eventually they will be putting > >> anti freeze in their exported wines to US - or > >> some other poisonous crap. They won't be > >> satisfied with just killing our pets and putting > >> harmful stuff in our toothpaste. > >> > > > > > > I know that is OT, but about 30 brands of toothpaste, made in China have > > recently been banned from import into New Zealand because they contain high > > levels of Ethylene Glycol (anti-freeze) ! > > Looks like China has completely taken over the market for canned tomato > and paste, so even those cans of "italian" stuff are about 90% chinese. > So how do we know that they are not using DDT and other nastyu things? > There is NOTHING that allows us to check them, but I suppose we could > get lab test reports... though I have never seen any done. There has to be a way to check that. |
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> If you want to read the whole press release you can find it athttp://chinawinetours.blogspot.comand the China Wine Tours website is athttp://www.chinawinetours.com
> > And, I'd appreciate your comments on Chinese wine, if anyone has had the > opportunity to taste it (besides me)! > > -- > Marc I've been in China for 3 years and I have yet to find any drinkable Chinese wine. Apparently in 2002 Great Wall had a very good year and I was able to taste once, but the rest tastes like red dishwater. No complexity, little on the nose, and I am not 100 percent sure they didn't just make the wine using chemicals. Also, a high percentage of the foreign "wines" here are bottom of the barrel, lowest quality. I've seen some stuff here that you can get for a fraction of the price in HK even in the supermarket. The wine market, truly underdeveloped and immature, will end up like the tea market, also immature, more than likely with countless forgeries and chemically, man-made rubbish that will fill the market with rubbish. YOU my friend, either work for some wine company in China or must be joking. |
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