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These are notes from a delightful dinner arranged and hosted at a
local restaurant by a wine friend whose axis is located for the most
part straight through Burgundy and Bordeaux.

We were told only that the seven wines were from one property and that
the tasting was a vertical. That was the full extent of our knowledge
going in! A definite challenge. I found that the wines naturally
arranged themselves into two groups, a young segment, characterised by
riper noses, and an older group characterised by slightly assertive
terminal acidity and a quite different aromatic profile, much more
French in style. Very perplexing. They were announced toward the end
of the meal as being Caymus Special Selection Cabernet Sauvignon.

All of the food courses were calculated to complement red wines and I
shall recite the food as well, as these choices merit recognition.

Lamb Carpaccio, roasted garlic, capers, Dijon aioli, Manchego cheese

Assuntine (pasta) duck confit, ramps, tomato sauce, parmesan

Buffalo tenderloin with wine tip mushrooms and huckleberry sauce

Venison chop, fingerling potatoes, red wine sauce

Lemon tart and blueberries

We started off with a rather fine palate cleanser:

1990 Dom Perignon - showing a little colour, and with a nose of clean
lemon scented fruit, showing only slight maturity, with a really
creamy smooth mouth feel and a crisp clean elegant finish.

You will have to forgive us our thrashing and flopping about trying to
decide if it had any Merlot (the nose on some definitely pointed one
in that direction), was it a Bordeaux (the last three tempted one to
conclude this, yet the first three were clearly riper Southern types),
was it perhaps South American or even South African; all came up for
discussion. We were left to taste as we wished throughout the meal and
I opted to start at the oldest, as is my wont, lest I miss any nuance
by beginning at the other end with more powerful and less subtle
wines.

1988 - I got a pretty classic claret cabernet sauvignon nose off this
one. There was slight lightening but little browning at the edges, and
the tannins are mostly gone, the finish riding instead on acidity
which with time became slightly assertive. The thought was later
offered that it was the custom to acidify these wines in some vintages
and the question was raised as to whether that sort of added acidity
melds less well with the wines than does a natural grape acidity. This
wine and the next two as well, were of low enough pH to have me
casting thoughts in the direction of the Cape of Good Hope. 1988 was a
decent but certainly not top vintage, and while this wine had early
appeal, it was the next wine that ultimately garnered my vote for best
of the early crew.

1990 - a lovely red plummy nose (this started me and another chap off
on merlot theorising), showing good complexity, and on palate the wine
was more harmonious, the acidity better blending in, with a lively
finish of good length.

1991 - quite similar to the 1990, with perhaps a slight green note in
the nose and just a hint of mint. Good length, but the acidity was not
as well integrated in this wine.

1992 - this was my watershed wine, segueing from one style to the
next. I can't attribute the change to winemaking as the same person
made all of these wines, so it must be simple ageing, but the
difference was quite striking. The 1992 was immediately remarkable as
being an even better wine than the 1991, although I valued the
complexity and development on the latter wine enough to make it my
favourite. The 1992 had a darker colour, a nose with depth and
sweetness, and there was great flavour concentration. It was also the
first wine, looking at things from the other end, that I considered to
be at prime drinking plateau, the younger vintages needing more time
as they do.

1994 - switch back to a lighter sort of nose in this wine, and the oak
is noticeable, even a bit to the fore for the first time. It developed
with time in the glass (all these were opened an hour before the
dinner commenced). The tannins are softer than the younger wines but
still meaty and indicate that this vintage needs more time, both for
the tannins to further soften and the complexity in nose and on palate
to develop. It had excellent balance and has all the signs of being
special in a few more years.

1995 - a riper, rounder nose, now with some currants rather than
plums, and sweeter, which is what made me think of hotter climes than
Bordeaux. The tannins are still quite hard, though certainly ripe. It
is a fat wine with good middle and firly good length. Needs time.

1997 - this is the only wine that I hadn't tasted before, as I stopped
buying California wines with the 1996 vintage when they exceeded
sensible price levels compared to similar wines from other areas.
There wasn't much happening in the nose at first, but with time it
opened up and developed a profile quite similar to the 1995 - ripe,
sweet, and full. The entry on palate was also sweet, but the tannins
clamped down almost immediately, allowing a taster only a scant moment
to enjoy the fruit before it was rudely snatched away, or rather
enveloped by the looming tannin. I could detect, I thought, the same
good balance that characterised the other wines.

So what did I learn from this fascinating tasting? That Caymus stands
if not alone, certainly in the minority among the upper ranks of
California Cabernet producers, in making a wine that values elegance
and style above raw power. You can (and we did) mistake these for
Bordeaux once they have a few years on them - I'd say 15 is when a
good vintage reaches maturity - something you would never be able to
say of most of the brawny fruit bombs that otherwise populate this
stratum of California cabs.

We learned that acidification is not conducive to harmony, although it
doesn't necessarily rule it out. In fact the perception of terminal
acidity is highly food dependent as we observed in this menu in a way
that made an impression on us. Most of us had written off the first
three wines after an hour or so in the glass as being just a bit too
acidic for us to really enjoy them and we concentrated on the younger
vintages. Then the venison arrived and the older wines that had stayed
too edgy with the other courses including the buffalo, absolutely
bloomed, the acidity was transformed and the wines became more
enjoyable than they had been all night.

We finished up the evening with a special bottle that another attendee
had brought along:

Tarquinio T. da Camara Lomelino Ltda. 150th Anniversary Madeira Boal
1820 - this is a solera that was begun in 1820 and bottled in 1962,
and apparently sold to celebrate the 150th anniversary of this firm
(presumably no longer extant) in business in 1970. Great brown wine
with an intense hot alcoholic nose, medium body and very, very intense
flavour. Imagine that you were drinking vanilla extract (no, the
flavours aren't vanilla, I am just trying to convey the sort of
flavour intensity in this wine. Any of you who HAVE drunk vanilla
extract need not join in this mental exercise....). The wine ended
much more smoothly than it began and had truly exceptional length,
lingering for minutes in the mouth. A special experience and a fitting
end to a singular tasting.

What a wonderful learning experience and opportunity! As I also own
the 1990, 91, 92 and 94, it was also a great opportunity to gauge the
readiness of my bottles.
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On Apr 26, 2:05 am, "Bill S." > wrote:
> These are notes from a delightful dinner arranged and hosted at a
> local restaurant by a wine friend whose axis is located for the most
> part straight through Burgundy and Bordeaux.
>
> We were told only that the seven wines were from one property and that
> the tasting was a vertical. That was the full extent of our knowledge
> going in! A definite challenge. I found that the wines naturally
> arranged themselves into two groups, a young segment, characterised by
> riper noses, and an older group characterised by slightly assertive
> terminal acidity and a quite different aromatic profile, much more
> French in style. Very perplexing. They were announced toward the end
> of the meal as being Caymus Special Selection Cabernet Sauvignon.
>
> All of the food courses were calculated to complement red wines and I
> shall recite the food as well, as these choices merit recognition.
>
> Lamb Carpaccio, roasted garlic, capers, Dijon aioli, Manchego cheese
>
> Assuntine (pasta) duck confit, ramps, tomato sauce, parmesan
>
> Buffalo tenderloin with wine tip mushrooms and huckleberry sauce
>
> Venison chop, fingerling potatoes, red wine sauce
>
> Lemon tart and blueberries
>
> We started off with a rather fine palate cleanser:
>
> 1990 Dom Perignon - showing a little colour, and with a nose of clean
> lemon scented fruit, showing only slight maturity, with a really
> creamy smooth mouth feel and a crisp clean elegant finish.
>
> You will have to forgive us our thrashing and flopping about trying to
> decide if it had any Merlot (the nose on some definitely pointed one
> in that direction), was it a Bordeaux (the last three tempted one to
> conclude this, yet the first three were clearly riper Southern types),
> was it perhaps South American or even South African; all came up for
> discussion. We were left to taste as we wished throughout the meal and
> I opted to start at the oldest, as is my wont, lest I miss any nuance
> by beginning at the other end with more powerful and less subtle
> wines.
>
> 1988 - I got a pretty classic claret cabernet sauvignon nose off this
> one. There was slight lightening but little browning at the edges, and
> the tannins are mostly gone, the finish riding instead on acidity
> which with time became slightly assertive. The thought was later
> offered that it was the custom to acidify these wines in some vintages
> and the question was raised as to whether that sort of added acidity
> melds less well with the wines than does a natural grape acidity. This
> wine and the next two as well, were of low enough pH to have me
> casting thoughts in the direction of the Cape of Good Hope. 1988 was a
> decent but certainly not top vintage, and while this wine had early
> appeal, it was the next wine that ultimately garnered my vote for best
> of the early crew.
>
> 1990 - a lovely red plummy nose (this started me and another chap off
> on merlot theorising), showing good complexity, and on palate the wine
> was more harmonious, the acidity better blending in, with a lively
> finish of good length.
>
> 1991 - quite similar to the 1990, with perhaps a slight green note in
> the nose and just a hint of mint. Good length, but the acidity was not
> as well integrated in this wine.
>
> 1992 - this was my watershed wine, segueing from one style to the
> next. I can't attribute the change to winemaking as the same person
> made all of these wines, so it must be simple ageing, but the
> difference was quite striking. The 1992 was immediately remarkable as
> being an even better wine than the 1991, although I valued the
> complexity and development on the latter wine enough to make it my
> favourite. The 1992 had a darker colour, a nose with depth and
> sweetness, and there was great flavour concentration. It was also the
> first wine, looking at things from the other end, that I considered to
> be at prime drinking plateau, the younger vintages needing more time
> as they do.
>
> 1994 - switch back to a lighter sort of nose in this wine, and the oak
> is noticeable, even a bit to the fore for the first time. It developed
> with time in the glass (all these were opened an hour before the
> dinner commenced). The tannins are softer than the younger wines but
> still meaty and indicate that this vintage needs more time, both for
> the tannins to further soften and the complexity in nose and on palate
> to develop. It had excellent balance and has all the signs of being
> special in a few more years.
>
> 1995 - a riper, rounder nose, now with some currants rather than
> plums, and sweeter, which is what made me think of hotter climes than
> Bordeaux. The tannins are still quite hard, though certainly ripe. It
> is a fat wine with good middle and firly good length. Needs time.
>
> 1997 - this is the only wine that I hadn't tasted before, as I stopped
> buying California wines with the 1996 vintage when they exceeded
> sensible price levels compared to similar wines from other areas.
> There wasn't much happening in the nose at first, but with time it
> opened up and developed a profile quite similar to the 1995 - ripe,
> sweet, and full. The entry on palate was also sweet, but the tannins
> clamped down almost immediately, allowing a taster only a scant moment
> to enjoy the fruit before it was rudely snatched away, or rather
> enveloped by the looming tannin. I could detect, I thought, the same
> good balance that characterised the other wines.
>
> So what did I learn from this fascinating tasting? That Caymus stands
> if not alone, certainly in the minority among the upper ranks of
> California Cabernet producers, in making a wine that values elegance
> and style above raw power. You can (and we did) mistake these for
> Bordeaux once they have a few years on them - I'd say 15 is when a
> good vintage reaches maturity - something you would never be able to
> say of most of the brawny fruit bombs that otherwise populate this
> stratum of California cabs.
>
> We learned that acidification is not conducive to harmony, although it
> doesn't necessarily rule it out. In fact the perception of terminal
> acidity is highly food dependent as we observed in this menu in a way
> that made an impression on us. Most of us had written off the first
> three wines after an hour or so in the glass as being just a bit too
> acidic for us to really enjoy them and we concentrated on the younger
> vintages. Then the venison arrived and the older wines that had stayed
> too edgy with the other courses including the buffalo, absolutely
> bloomed, the acidity was transformed and the wines became more
> enjoyable than they had been all night.
>
> We finished up the evening with a special bottle that another attendee
> had brought along:
>
> Tarquinio T. da Camara Lomelino Ltda. 150th Anniversary Madeira Boal
> 1820 - this is a solera that was begun in 1820 and bottled in 1962,
> and apparently sold to celebrate the 150th anniversary of this firm
> (presumably no longer extant) in business in 1970. Great brown wine
> with an intense hot alcoholic nose, medium body and very, very intense
> flavour. Imagine that you were drinking vanilla extract (no, the
> flavours aren't vanilla, I am just trying to convey the sort of
> flavour intensity in this wine. Any of you who HAVE drunk vanilla
> extract need not join in this mental exercise....). The wine ended
> much more smoothly than it began and had truly exceptional length,
> lingering for minutes in the mouth. A special experience and a fitting
> end to a singular tasting.
>
> What a wonderful learning experience and opportunity! As I also own
> the 1990, 91, 92 and 94, it was also a great opportunity to gauge the
> readiness of my bottles.
> _________________


Thanks for the very engaging notes! SS has long been a favorite of
mine. I do believe that there was a directional change in 1993 giving
the wine much more concentration, body and oak.

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Caymus SS is great stuff. Since the end of the 1980's I have not felt it
had any long term aging potential. I think drink under 10 years of release
for them.

Same for the Silver Oaks after 1989...not long term.

That said Sequoia Grove, Chateau Monelena Estate Cab, Phelps all go the
distance.

Love the Caymus but to me not long term keeper.

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> On Apr 26, 2:05 am, "Bill S." > wrote:
>> These are notes from a delightful dinner arranged and hosted at a
>> local restaurant by a wine friend whose axis is located for the most
>> part straight through Burgundy and Bordeaux.
>>
>> We were told only that the seven wines were from one property and that
>> the tasting was a vertical. That was the full extent of our knowledge
>> going in! A definite challenge. I found that the wines naturally
>> arranged themselves into two groups, a young segment, characterised by
>> riper noses, and an older group characterised by slightly assertive
>> terminal acidity and a quite different aromatic profile, much more
>> French in style. Very perplexing. They were announced toward the end
>> of the meal as being Caymus Special Selection Cabernet Sauvignon.
>>
>> All of the food courses were calculated to complement red wines and I
>> shall recite the food as well, as these choices merit recognition.
>>
>> Lamb Carpaccio, roasted garlic, capers, Dijon aioli, Manchego cheese
>>
>> Assuntine (pasta) duck confit, ramps, tomato sauce, parmesan
>>
>> Buffalo tenderloin with wine tip mushrooms and huckleberry sauce
>>
>> Venison chop, fingerling potatoes, red wine sauce
>>
>> Lemon tart and blueberries
>>
>> We started off with a rather fine palate cleanser:
>>
>> 1990 Dom Perignon - showing a little colour, and with a nose of clean
>> lemon scented fruit, showing only slight maturity, with a really
>> creamy smooth mouth feel and a crisp clean elegant finish.
>>
>> You will have to forgive us our thrashing and flopping about trying to
>> decide if it had any Merlot (the nose on some definitely pointed one
>> in that direction), was it a Bordeaux (the last three tempted one to
>> conclude this, yet the first three were clearly riper Southern types),
>> was it perhaps South American or even South African; all came up for
>> discussion. We were left to taste as we wished throughout the meal and
>> I opted to start at the oldest, as is my wont, lest I miss any nuance
>> by beginning at the other end with more powerful and less subtle
>> wines.
>>
>> 1988 - I got a pretty classic claret cabernet sauvignon nose off this
>> one. There was slight lightening but little browning at the edges, and
>> the tannins are mostly gone, the finish riding instead on acidity
>> which with time became slightly assertive. The thought was later
>> offered that it was the custom to acidify these wines in some vintages
>> and the question was raised as to whether that sort of added acidity
>> melds less well with the wines than does a natural grape acidity. This
>> wine and the next two as well, were of low enough pH to have me
>> casting thoughts in the direction of the Cape of Good Hope. 1988 was a
>> decent but certainly not top vintage, and while this wine had early
>> appeal, it was the next wine that ultimately garnered my vote for best
>> of the early crew.
>>
>> 1990 - a lovely red plummy nose (this started me and another chap off
>> on merlot theorising), showing good complexity, and on palate the wine
>> was more harmonious, the acidity better blending in, with a lively
>> finish of good length.
>>
>> 1991 - quite similar to the 1990, with perhaps a slight green note in
>> the nose and just a hint of mint. Good length, but the acidity was not
>> as well integrated in this wine.
>>
>> 1992 - this was my watershed wine, segueing from one style to the
>> next. I can't attribute the change to winemaking as the same person
>> made all of these wines, so it must be simple ageing, but the
>> difference was quite striking. The 1992 was immediately remarkable as
>> being an even better wine than the 1991, although I valued the
>> complexity and development on the latter wine enough to make it my
>> favourite. The 1992 had a darker colour, a nose with depth and
>> sweetness, and there was great flavour concentration. It was also the
>> first wine, looking at things from the other end, that I considered to
>> be at prime drinking plateau, the younger vintages needing more time
>> as they do.
>>
>> 1994 - switch back to a lighter sort of nose in this wine, and the oak
>> is noticeable, even a bit to the fore for the first time. It developed
>> with time in the glass (all these were opened an hour before the
>> dinner commenced). The tannins are softer than the younger wines but
>> still meaty and indicate that this vintage needs more time, both for
>> the tannins to further soften and the complexity in nose and on palate
>> to develop. It had excellent balance and has all the signs of being
>> special in a few more years.
>>
>> 1995 - a riper, rounder nose, now with some currants rather than
>> plums, and sweeter, which is what made me think of hotter climes than
>> Bordeaux. The tannins are still quite hard, though certainly ripe. It
>> is a fat wine with good middle and firly good length. Needs time.
>>
>> 1997 - this is the only wine that I hadn't tasted before, as I stopped
>> buying California wines with the 1996 vintage when they exceeded
>> sensible price levels compared to similar wines from other areas.
>> There wasn't much happening in the nose at first, but with time it
>> opened up and developed a profile quite similar to the 1995 - ripe,
>> sweet, and full. The entry on palate was also sweet, but the tannins
>> clamped down almost immediately, allowing a taster only a scant moment
>> to enjoy the fruit before it was rudely snatched away, or rather
>> enveloped by the looming tannin. I could detect, I thought, the same
>> good balance that characterised the other wines.
>>
>> So what did I learn from this fascinating tasting? That Caymus stands
>> if not alone, certainly in the minority among the upper ranks of
>> California Cabernet producers, in making a wine that values elegance
>> and style above raw power. You can (and we did) mistake these for
>> Bordeaux once they have a few years on them - I'd say 15 is when a
>> good vintage reaches maturity - something you would never be able to
>> say of most of the brawny fruit bombs that otherwise populate this
>> stratum of California cabs.
>>
>> We learned that acidification is not conducive to harmony, although it
>> doesn't necessarily rule it out. In fact the perception of terminal
>> acidity is highly food dependent as we observed in this menu in a way
>> that made an impression on us. Most of us had written off the first
>> three wines after an hour or so in the glass as being just a bit too
>> acidic for us to really enjoy them and we concentrated on the younger
>> vintages. Then the venison arrived and the older wines that had stayed
>> too edgy with the other courses including the buffalo, absolutely
>> bloomed, the acidity was transformed and the wines became more
>> enjoyable than they had been all night.
>>
>> We finished up the evening with a special bottle that another attendee
>> had brought along:
>>
>> Tarquinio T. da Camara Lomelino Ltda. 150th Anniversary Madeira Boal
>> 1820 - this is a solera that was begun in 1820 and bottled in 1962,
>> and apparently sold to celebrate the 150th anniversary of this firm
>> (presumably no longer extant) in business in 1970. Great brown wine
>> with an intense hot alcoholic nose, medium body and very, very intense
>> flavour. Imagine that you were drinking vanilla extract (no, the
>> flavours aren't vanilla, I am just trying to convey the sort of
>> flavour intensity in this wine. Any of you who HAVE drunk vanilla
>> extract need not join in this mental exercise....). The wine ended
>> much more smoothly than it began and had truly exceptional length,
>> lingering for minutes in the mouth. A special experience and a fitting
>> end to a singular tasting.
>>
>> What a wonderful learning experience and opportunity! As I also own
>> the 1990, 91, 92 and 94, it was also a great opportunity to gauge the
>> readiness of my bottles.
>> _________________

>
> Thanks for the very engaging notes! SS has long been a favorite of
> mine. I do believe that there was a directional change in 1993 giving
> the wine much more concentration, body and oak.
>



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Bi!! wrote:

> Thanks for the very engaging notes! SS has long been a favorite of
> mine. I do believe that there was a directional change in 1993 giving
> the wine much more concentration, body and oak.


I find it hard to believe that it could have increased its reliance on
oak, since even those SSs from the late '70s/early '80s were
*incredibly* oaky upon release. Tasters with more experience (and
patience) than I noted that the oak did integrate with time, but I must
admit to having always preferred the regular cuvée (fortunate for me
since I couldn't afford SS), which alas did change around '93, to a more
forward, softer (aka "WS") style. I haven't bought one since.

Rightly or wrongly, I associated the stylistic shift at Caymus with the
generational change from Charlie to Chuck Wagner, which occured more or
less at that time. Having once tasted Caymus's wines with Charlie
pouring, I have to say that those early Caymus cabs were like him:
earthy and tough, but with a deceptive refinement to them.

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On Apr 26, 2:48 pm, Mark Lipton > wrote:
> Bi!! wrote:
> > Thanks for the very engaging notes! SS has long been a favorite of
> > mine. I do believe that there was a directional change in 1993 giving
> > the wine much more concentration, body and oak.

>
> I find it hard to believe that it could have increased its reliance on
> oak, since even those SSs from the late '70s/early '80s were
> *incredibly* oaky upon release. Tasters with more experience (and
> patience) than I noted that the oak did integrate with time, but I must
> admit to having always preferred the regular cuvée (fortunate for me
> since I couldn't afford SS), which alas did change around '93, to a more
> forward, softer (aka "WS") style. I haven't bought one since.
>
> Rightly or wrongly, I associated the stylistic shift at Caymus with the
> generational change from Charlie to Chuck Wagner, which occured more or
> less at that time. Having once tasted Caymus's wines with Charlie
> pouring, I have to say that those early Caymus cabs were like him:
> earthy and tough, but with a deceptive refinement to them.
>
> Mark Lipton
>
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I think you're probably right about the generational shift and the
move towards a softer style. I always thought of it as being driven
by Parker since he seems to have an affinity for plush, oaky fruit
bombs but now that you mentioned it WS seems to favor this style
also. I never noticed the oaky character of pre-1993 SS but I can't
recall tasting any SS on release prior to 1991 since it was over my
budget at the time. I'm still drinking the last of my 1990 regular
cuvee of Caymus and it's showing quite well with very little overt age.



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great notes Bill, Caymus is a wine I have not tried overhere, though are
available.

I have had the Dom 90 on several occasions and it is a benchmark fizz for
me.

John


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