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Madiran rules!

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So I have to drink more tannic wine vs aged...GREAT

Gallo here I come!!!


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Ken Blake wrote:
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Yes, it's a very provocative article, Ken. FWIW, there's no question
that the health benefits of red wine arise from more than just the
resveratrol in there. Other isoflavonoids such as quercitin are also
present in red wine and have also been shown to have positive health
benefits, though none so spectacular as those of resveratrol. This
study now shows that protoanthocyanins (condensed tannins) are also good
for you, but I will wait to see if they also show the effects on
lifespan that have made resveratrol such a hot item.

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Richard Neidich wrote:
> So I have to drink more tannic wine vs aged...GREAT
>
> Gallo here I come!!!


Since much of the tannin in older wines ends up in the sediment,
perhaps we need to eat the sediment :-) . I guess one could dry the
sediment and pack it into capsules to avoid the taste of it. Of course
one would need tests to see if the portion of the sediment coming from
tannins still retains the health benefits of tannins in solution in the
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cwdjrxyz wrote:
> Richard Neidich wrote:
> > So I have to drink more tannic wine vs aged...GREAT
> >
> > Gallo here I come!!!

>
> Since much of the tannin in older wines ends up in the sediment,
> perhaps we need to eat the sediment :-) . I guess one could dry the
> sediment and pack it into capsules to avoid the taste of it. Of course
> one would need tests to see if the portion of the sediment coming from
> tannins still retains the health benefits of tannins in solution in the
> wine.


Sediments normally become pills, swallowed by new-age hippies that
don't drink...

I'd recommend shaking up the f****** bottle and drinking DOWN that
resveratrol WORM.

David

p.s. sorry, had a very bad day.

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In article >,
in says...
>
>
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?cha...1C7-E7F2-99DF-
3CD91
>71A34A9BC3F&ref=rss
>
>or http://tinyurl.com/ymu6a3
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>
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Gosh, I guess that this means that I need to get crackin' on drinking all my
Sullivan Cab & Merlot, before those tannins loose their punch. OTOH, I have a
feeling that I could lay those guys down for a few decades and they'd still
have very big and firm tannins. If I gift one (usually try for something with
~10yrs of cellar on it), I always admonish the recipient to lay 'em down for 5
years, and then to decant for a couple of hours. I'd hate to get a call in the
night, that a friend had gone into "Tannic Shock" during a meal!

Hunt

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In article >,
says...
>
>Ken Blake wrote:
>>
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?cha...61C7-E7F2-99DF
-3CD
>9171A34A9BC3F&ref=rss
>>
>> or http://tinyurl.com/ymu6a3
>>
>>

>
>Yes, it's a very provocative article, Ken. FWIW, there's no question
>that the health benefits of red wine arise from more than just the
>resveratrol in there. Other isoflavonoids such as quercitin are also
>present in red wine and have also been shown to have positive health
>benefits, though none so spectacular as those of resveratrol. This
>study now shows that protoanthocyanins (condensed tannins) are also good
>for you, but I will wait to see if they also show the effects on
>lifespan that have made resveratrol such a hot item.
>
>Mark Lipton


Why don't we just drink our wines, white, red and pink, and hope to get lucky
on the health-front. At least we'll all be happier in the process. I can see
the spate of articles in the NG, now: "I really, really hate wine! Which wine
can you suggest for me, that will give me ALL of the health benefits... ?"

Maybe time to add something along these lines to the FAQ? Mark, are you ready
to do a "white paper?"

OTOH, maybe I'll have TWO Ports, with my coffee (some say that IT is supposed
to have health benefits) and my cigar!

Hunt

PS this will probably lead to a marked increase in the consumption of red wine
in the US and higher prices for us all. Or, I'll start getting e-mails, where
the Viagra (R) will be replaced by some minor Bdx. Ch. offering?

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Hunt wrote:

> Why don't we just drink our wines, white, red and pink, and hope to get lucky
> on the health-front. At least we'll all be happier in the process. I can see
> the spate of articles in the NG, now: "I really, really hate wine! Which wine
> can you suggest for me, that will give me ALL of the health benefits... ?"
>
> Maybe time to add something along these lines to the FAQ? Mark, are you ready
> to do a "white paper?"


Funny that you should mention that today. Today I've been discussing
with collaborators how we should publish our first paper on resveratrol.
I've made some analogues that are more potent in a number of different
assays.

Mark Lipton


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Hi All,

Are Madiran's imported into the US? How about Domaine Laffont Madiran?

Are Sardinia Nuoro Cannonau? How about Cannonau di Jerzu?

Any comments on recent tastings?


Regards, Phil

==========

DaleW wrote:
> Madiran rules!
>
> Ken Blake wrote:
> > http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?cha...A9BC3F&ref=rss
> >
> > or http://tinyurl.com/ymu6a3
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Hunt > wrote:

> Why don't we just drink our wines, white, red and pink, and hope to
> get lucky on the health-front. At least we'll all be happier in the
> process. I can see the spate of articles in the NG, now: "I really,
> really hate wine! Which wine can you suggest for me, that will give
> me ALL of the health benefits... ?"


Yeah. Shades of taste-free garlic capsules! If there ever was a
silly idea...

Andrew.
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What will y'all do when they find out Arbor Mist's Prune Surprise, (prunes,
pomegranates and carignan) has the best combo for your health or 2 buck
chucks cab (no oak) is also high in favorable chemicals?
"Hunt" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> in says...
> >

>
>
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?cha...1C7-E7F2-99DF-
> 3CD91
> >71A34A9BC3F&ref=rss
> >
> >or http://tinyurl.com/ymu6a3
> >
> >
> >--
> >Ken Blake
> >Please reply to the newsgroup

>
> Gosh, I guess that this means that I need to get crackin' on drinking all

my
> Sullivan Cab & Merlot, before those tannins loose their punch. OTOH, I

have a
> feeling that I could lay those guys down for a few decades and they'd

still
> have very big and firm tannins. If I gift one (usually try for something

with
> ~10yrs of cellar on it), I always admonish the recipient to lay 'em down

for 5
> years, and then to decant for a couple of hours. I'd hate to get a call in

the
> night, that a friend had gone into "Tannic Shock" during a meal!
>
> Hunt
>



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Hi All, found the following in the Minneapolis, Minn marketplace, any
comments.

Domaine Berthoumieu, 1997 Madiran, $12.99 at Bright Wines, Maplewood,
MN

Ode d'Aydie, 2001 Madiran, $15.99 at Surdyks, Nord'East Minneapolis

Argiolas Costera Cannonau 2004, $14 at Surdyks

Regards, Phil, Minneapolis

=====

Phil wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Are Madiran's imported into the US? How about Domaine Laffont Madiran?
>
> Are Sardinia Nuoro Cannonau? How about Cannonau di Jerzu?
>
> Any comments on recent tastings?
>
>
> Regards, Phil
>
> ==========
>
> DaleW wrote:
> > Madiran rules!
> >
> > Ken Blake wrote:
> > > http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?cha...A9BC3F&ref=rss
> > >
> > > or http://tinyurl.com/ymu6a3
> > >
> > >
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Don't know the Italians. Laffont is sometimes seen in US, I have the
'97 Laffont Madiran, tannins galore- good for health, but hard to
swallow!



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Die younger?


"Joe "Beppe"Rosenberg" > wrote in message
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> What will y'all do when they find out Arbor Mist's Prune Surprise,
> (prunes,
> pomegranates and carignan) has the best combo for your health or 2 buck
> chucks cab (no oak) is also high in favorable chemicals?
> "Hunt" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> in says...
>> >

>>
>>
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?cha...1C7-E7F2-99DF-
>> 3CD91
>> >71A34A9BC3F&ref=rss
>> >
>> >or http://tinyurl.com/ymu6a3
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >Ken Blake
>> >Please reply to the newsgroup

>>
>> Gosh, I guess that this means that I need to get crackin' on drinking all

> my
>> Sullivan Cab & Merlot, before those tannins loose their punch. OTOH, I

> have a
>> feeling that I could lay those guys down for a few decades and they'd

> still
>> have very big and firm tannins. If I gift one (usually try for something

> with
>> ~10yrs of cellar on it), I always admonish the recipient to lay 'em down

> for 5
>> years, and then to decant for a couple of hours. I'd hate to get a call
>> in

> the
>> night, that a friend had gone into "Tannic Shock" during a meal!
>>
>> Hunt
>>

>
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DaleW wrote:
> Don't know the Italians. Laffont is sometimes seen in US, I have the
> '97 Laffont Madiran, tannins galore- good for health, but hard to
> swallow!



Hi Dale and All, there are three different types. Which one do you
have?

1) "VIEILLES-VIGNES" has 100% TANNAT
2) "TRADITION" has 80 % TANNAT, 10 % CABERNET FRANC, 10 % CABERNET
SAUVIGNON
3) "Joris Laffitte" has 60 % TANNAT, 20 % CABERNET FRANC, 20 % CABERNET
SAUVIGNON

http://www.chateau-laffitte-teston.c...iran_intro.htm

How long to cellar til ripe? At least the medicine is cheap!

Regards, Phil

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I was referring to Laffont. I also seem to have a bottle of
Lafitte-Teston (1998), but no indicator other than Madiran. I assume
either old vines or tradtion. I apparently thought it needed time, but
it's in my secondary storage (not as accessbile, stacks of boxes).
Guess I should dig out to more accurately indicate in Cellartracker
what I have. Looks like there's a CdRhone that probably needs to be
removed from that case anyway.

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Hi Dale and All,

Have you tried any Uruguayan Tannat wines, similar to the SW Madiran
appelation?

See a fancy Uruguayan syndicate website, http://www.tannatland.com
As an up&coming vino industry, they sure seem to have their world act
together. [I have yet to find a Alain Brumont, Bouscasse, Montus
website]

>From my first pass, an interesting Tannat to consider is


Carlos Pizzorno,Bodega, http://www.pizzornowines.com/english/index.html
Don Prospero Tannat Reserva 2004, 6 wks in vat, Gold Medal Vinalies
Paris

Any tasting comments? A winestore in Minneapolis has a Uy Tannat and a
Montus!


Regards, Phil

=====

DaleW wrote:
> I was referring to Laffont. I also seem to have a bottle of
> Lafitte-Teston (1998), but no indicator other than Madiran. I assume
> either old vines or tradtion. I apparently thought it needed time, but
> it's in my secondary storage (not as accessbile, stacks of boxes).
> Guess I should dig out to more accurately indicate in Cellartracker
> what I have. Looks like there's a CdRhone that probably needs to be
> removed from that case anyway.


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