Hi,

We have recently released a free software product which helps users
track their wine collections. It is simple to use and features
excellent charting and reporting capabilities, including wine aging
charts to show which of your wines are at their best right now.

This product is available free of charge, but you are required to
register it (also free).

I did not want to post the full details of this product here
immediately as it may be considered unwanted advertising, so if anyone
wants the download URL, please ask the question and i will post it
here, or email it to you direct if preferred.

Regards,

Kristian

Kristian wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We have recently released a free software product which helps users
> track their wine collections. It is simple to use and features
> excellent charting and reporting capabilities, including wine aging
> charts to show which of your wines are at their best right now.
>
> This product is available free of charge, but you are required to
> register it (also free).
>
> I did not want to post the full details of this product here
> immediately as it may be considered unwanted advertising, so if anyone
> wants the download URL, please ask the question and i will post it
> here, or email it to you direct if preferred.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kristian
>

Sounds good. Can you post the link? Which platform? I am using
software I created which is essentially a Perl/TK interface to a
PostgreSQL database. It's only useful for recording basic notes, it
doesn't handle anything I have cellared.

-ben

Kristian wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We have recently released a free software product which helps users
> track their wine collections. It is simple to use and features
> excellent charting and reporting capabilities, including wine aging
> charts to show which of your wines are at their best right now.
>
> This product is available free of charge, but you are required to
> register it (also free).
>
> I did not want to post the full details of this product here
> immediately as it may be considered unwanted advertising, so if anyone
> wants the download URL, please ask the question and i will post it
> here, or email it to you direct if preferred.

Sure, by all means post a link! Although commercial postings have been
discouraged in this group, informational postings such as this are more
than welcome IMO.

Mark Lipton

Hi Kristian,

Thanks for posting your information - and also your well-thought-out
(and sadly, necessitated) disclaimer noting in advance the commercial
nature of your post.

Is your application downloadable for use on a user's local PC/Mac, or
is it a web-based application? Please send me the details of the
product at your convenience -- and thanks again for taking the time to
share with us your product.

Cheers,

David

----------------------------
OregonWines.com
----------------------------

Hi,

The software is a Windows application, so it runs locally on your own
computer. While it has not been tested on a Mac, it is likely to run ok
if you use a PC emulator.

It was created to be a promotional software for a new investor forum we
have launched, which also has free regsitration. The forum site
contains a tour of the software as well as details for downloading your
copy. The address is: manageinvest.com

I have had an email which asked about spamming, and there will be none.
You do need to provide an email address to register, but the only
promotional email will receive in future will be one to notify of our
main product (a portfolio manager for investors, investment clubs etc)
when that is released. We do not share any details of users with anyone
unless required by law.

If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact
me by replying to this post or by direct email.

Thank you,

Kristian Kish
General Manager
Manage Invest

Dave wrote:
> Hi Kristian,
>
> Thanks for posting your information - and also your well-thought-out
> (and sadly, necessitated) disclaimer noting in advance the commercial
> nature of your post.
>
> Is your application downloadable for use on a user's local PC/Mac, or
> is it a web-based application? Please send me the details of the
> product at your convenience -- and thanks again for taking the time to
> share with us your product.
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
>
> ----------------------------
> OregonWines.com
> ----------------------------

Kristian,
Pretty nice software, I've downloaded and been playing with it. If you
don't mind the advertisements on the right, this is pretty neat
software, though I can't compare it to anything since I've never used
Wine Software. Until now. :*)

--
DAve

Kristian wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We have recently released a free software product which helps users
> track their wine collections. It is simple to use and features
> excellent charting and reporting capabilities, including wine aging
> charts to show which of your wines are at their best right now.
>
> This product is available free of charge, but you are required to
> register it (also free).
>
> I did not want to post the full details of this product here
> immediately as it may be considered unwanted advertising, so if anyone
> wants the download URL, please ask the question and i will post it
> here, or email it to you direct if preferred.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kristian
>

in article , Mark Lipton at
wrote on 9/8/06 7:00 AM:


>
> Sure, by all means post a link! Although commercial postings have been
> discouraged in this group, informational postings such as this are more
> than welcome IMO.
>
> Mark Lipton

In my own personal decisions I may choose to go to a commercial site,
register and receive a promotional e-mail in exchange for something I'd like
to have....... sortof like sitting through the timeshare pitch to get the
free weekend stay. Mark.... do you still think this is appropriate here, now
that we see the whole picture?

I almost let this go, to avoid adding anything at all to the recent turmoil.
But it just doesn't smell right.

Midlife wrote:

> In my own personal decisions I may choose to go to a commercial site,
> register and receive a promotional e-mail in exchange for something I'd like
> to have....... sortof like sitting through the timeshare pitch to get the
> free weekend stay. Mark.... do you still think this is appropriate here, now
> that we see the whole picture?
>
> I almost let this go, to avoid adding anything at all to the recent turmoil.
> But it just doesn't smell right.

Perhaps I am still missing something here, but I see no harm in posting
a link to a website that offers free wine-related software. If, as you
say, there are various promotional pitches tied into the registration
process, I'd expect someone to comment on that aspect in the thread to
alert others to a practice that they mightn't find salutary. In any
event, to me this is an entirely different issue than someone who uses a
Usenet newgroup to advertise a commercial product.

Mark Lipton

"Mark Lipton" in m:
>
> ... I see no harm in posting a link to a website that offers free
> wine-related software. ... In any event, to me this is an entirely
> different issue than someone who uses a Usenet newgroup to advertise a
> commercial product.
>
> Mark Lipton


Notably, "Kristian" raised the topic in a forthright, descriptive, even
deferential posting. Contrasting with the many, even unambiguous, instances
of false agendas, trolling questions, and drive-by "hey folks, look at this
site I found" postings that insult the reader's intelligence.


By the way, I hope too that regulars won't be quick to read such schemes
into postings simply ambiguous, or posted by people with limited online
experience which of course has described everyone at some point. A deeply
obnoxious example at one independent US wine Web site (West Coast Wine
Network) -- which began my departure from there -- illustrates. A
Quick-Triggered Regular expressed a yearning for a particular wine. A
newbie responded with a private message about a retailer with a supply of
said wine. QTR's response was not "thank you for the thoughtful tip," or
even silence: QTR called retailer to complain about "spamming," was told by
shop that shop did not spam and had not sent message. QTR then complained
publicly on the site about this incident of "spamming" and (you'd think that
was enough, but) site's moderator then admonished the newbie, adding "There
are no hard feelings here, I'm sure you just don't understand the netiquette
involved." Astounded newbie gave up on the site, and who wouldn't?
(Moderator never seemed to "get" what was wrong with that picture, or later
ones.)

Not to compare that with AFW, but it shows what mind-sets can develop in
these fora without we show a little open thinking.