Any suggestions on eatting veg and low carb at the same time? I am not
caught up in this whole Atkins/South Beach thing, but I know many are.
thanks;-)

SmegghedJ wrote:
> Any suggestions on eatting veg and low carb at the same time? I am not
> caught up in this whole Atkins/South Beach thing, but I know many are.
> thanks;-)


Vegetarian Times did an article on South Beach a couple a months ago,
you may want to check it out.

Deb

"SmegghedJ" > wrote in message
...
> Any suggestions on eatting veg and low carb at the same time? I am not
> caught up in this whole Atkins/South Beach thing, but I know many are.
> thanks;-)

The key to successful weight control and a healthy body is to eat a balanced
diet. Deliberately cutting out a food item for quick weight loss, unless
you really understand what you are doing, is bound to fail IMO. You will
lose weight on the Atkins diet, but most people who eat too much would lose
weight if they just ate less. If you have been overweight for 10 years, for
example, it is logical to assume that gradual weight loss would take some
time too; there is not a quick two month fix. It remains to be seen how
people who stick to the Atkins diet are getting on in ten years time.
Deb

While frolicking around in rec.food.veg.cooking, SmegghedJ of said:

>Any suggestions on eatting veg and low carb at the same time? I am not
>caught up in this whole Atkins/South Beach thing, but I know many are.
>thanks;-)

Dr. Arthur Agaston, who created the South Beach Diet, has said, in the
FAQ of http://tinyurl.com/2x3on, that he thinks that the substitutes
which vegetarians use for meat are just fine, though I don't imagine it
to be possible for vegans to follow the diet. South Beach Diets also
isn't about a minimum of carbs, but about getting "good carbs" in stead
of "bad carbs", and "good fats" in stead of "bad fats". The glycemic
index is being used in this diet.
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SmegghedJ wrote:

> Any suggestions on eatting veg and low carb at the same time? I am not
> caught up in this whole Atkins/South Beach thing, but I know many are.
> thanks;-)

A low carbohydrate diet is a life-threatening, nonsense and should not
be supported.

Glucose (the basic building block for most carbohydrates) is an
essential part of our nutrition, several organs depend on glucose as
their sole source of energy. If glucose is not supplied with food, the
body will break down proteins in order to produce glucose. As a side
product, ketone bodies (acetoacetate, beta-hydroxybutyrate and acetone)
are formed, which leads to acidification of the blood (acidosis),
mineral loss through the kidney and dehydration (loss of water), hence
circulatory collapse.

Additionally, any weight loss observed results not from a reduction of
body fat, but from the dehydration mentioned above. This is a temporary
effect that will vanish immediately once a normal diet is resumed.

SmegghedJ wrote:
> Any suggestions on eatting veg and low carb at the same time? I am not
> caught up in this whole Atkins/South Beach thing, but I know many are.
> thanks;-)

My suggestion if you're interested in losing weight is pretty simple:
avoid fried foods and foods made with refined carbohydrates, and
exercise regularly. South Beach is like Atkins-Lite, but at least it
doesn't categorize all carbs the same way. Who'd ever think of orange
juice as bad and butter-fried steak covered in melted cheese as healthy?
South Beach also encourages the use of complex carbs like brown rice,
whole wheat pastas, and whole grain products, while discouraging white
sugar and white flour products. South Beach also does a bit to
distinguish between good and bad fats and it doesn't ignore the role of
exercise.

Am I a supporter of either diet? No, I think it's all faddish. The
underlying goal of any slimming diet should be ease of lifetime
maintenance, not simply yo-yoing in some range in the name of
macronutrient trade-offs. Eat a good variety of the healthy stuff you
like, stay away from junk, and you'll probably be fine.

SmegghedJ" > wrote in message
...
> Any suggestions on eatting veg and low carb at the same time? I am not
> caught up in this whole Atkins/South Beach thing, but I know many are.
> thanks;-)
I'm not really caught up in this thing, either, but it did make me realize
that I was eating carb portions that were way too large. Since last May
I've cut my portion sizes to 1 small potato instead of a large one, 1/2 C of
rice or pasta instead of 1 Cup, open-face sandwiches instead of buns, etc.
I've also switched from carb-based snacks to protein-based snacks--mostly
nuts and cheese. And I increased my exercise from 3 days a week to at least
5, varying between aerobic and muscle training workouts. I've lost almost
20 pounds, which isn't a huge amount, but I've lost it slowly and feel good
about being able to keep it off. Bottom line--fewer calories and more
exercise.

well, i can;t say that I am on a "diet'perse, but around mid december i
decided to get my eating under control and to eat what i know are healthy
foods...and since I love veggies and fruit, finding things to eat was not a
problem.....i did however end up eating a low calorie low carb diet(and
almost no fat)by default and lost a decent amount(for me) of weight. The
problem for me was getting enough protein, and I have been able to fix that
in several ways. Although I am not a strict vegetarian, eating meat is not a
priority for me and it was tough getting enough protein without loading up
on cheese.which i also love....I have started adding rice and beans, rice
and legumes, legumes and grains to my diet, but not in large prtions....this
helps keep the total carbs down, while giving me the protein I need. I think
my eating habits will underrgo a few changes as time goes on, but eating
large amounts of delicious veggie stews seems to work for me.
hope this helps in some way...LG.

Newbie here..........I forgot how to post to the group!? Any help
would be appreciated!
My question is that I'm "constantly" hungry. I work out 4-5 days a
week and eat pretty healthy and have lost a lot of weight and am down
to a size 2 but have gained up to 8 lbs over the holidays from junk
foods and not working out as much. I want to lose this weight and try
to avoid eating the chips and sweets which are so tempting for me but
those after dinner cravings just eat away at me. HELP! Need
suggestions for something healthy or something filling for me.

Thanks!

Ren

On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:16:02 GMT, "SmegghedJ" >
wrote:

>Any suggestions on eatting veg and low carb at the same time? I am not
>caught up in this whole Atkins/South Beach thing, but I know many are.

Atkins, etc. has a complicated schedule of 'good' and 'bad' carbs. Not
*my* cup of nutrition. Carbs in the form of regular bread, grain,
potatoes, sugar, is almost entirely 'bad.' So are veg like carrots,
which always seemed the pinnacle of healthy to me. It's hard to avoid
carbohydrates in vegetables, so a diet that is already limited mostly
to meat, cheese, and eggs would be even *more* limited if all meat
items were removed. A low-carb, vegetarian diet would be confined to
dairy, eggs, a few green veg, and a few 'approved' grain items. Many
vegetarian proteins are, AFAIK, combinations of grains, beans, pulses,
etc. If those are forbidden, or highly restricted, an adequate
low-carb vegetarian diet seems rather problematical.

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:46:55 GMT, Dr Engelbert Buxbaum
> took a very strange rock and inscribed
these words:

>A low carbohydrate diet is a life-threatening, nonsense and should not
>be supported.

I'm glad *somebody* has something sensible to say.

I looked at the South Beach Diet and it appears to be more suitable
than the Atkins diet, which is insane. Yahoo has a vegetarian South
Beach diet mailing list which I joined but haven't seen any posts yet.
(It's only been 24 hours.)

I might just make up my own diet based on ideas from the South Beach
Diet website.

http://www.southbeachdiet.com/


--
Therese Shellabarger / The Roving Reporter - Civis Mundi
/ http://tlshell.cnc.net/

Wow; good for you. Sounds like you've made some excellent choices for
yourself;-)

"Steven Hoover" > wrote in message
...
> SmegghedJ" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Any suggestions on eatting veg and low carb at the same time? I am not
> > caught up in this whole Atkins/South Beach thing, but I know many are.
> > thanks;-)
> I'm not really caught up in this thing, either, but it did make me realize
> that I was eating carb portions that were way too large. Since last May
> I've cut my portion sizes [...moderator snippage...]
> Bottom line--fewer calories and more exercise.

this may sound a bit simplistic but I make sure i eat plenty of fruit and
dark green veggies...the broccolli especially tends to fill a lot of
nutrition needs for me because if I eat a lot of it i lose my craving for
butterfat.read ice cream and frosting here!)

i found that when i began eating healthily and kept myself full but not
overfull my cravings subsided....especially keeping fat at a minimum
probably helped the most.....

one thing i find..is not to have them in the house. or if they are there
because of other folks living in the house, keep them put away unless
someone is actually eating them....but DO have plenty of fruit out and in
plain sight........lol...

i also eat a big salad pretty nearly every day and this salad has lots of
high taste things on it....feta cheese!...an apple cut up, olives, marinated
veggies, (i should probably say pickled here cause there is no oil), cherry
tomatoes etc etc...the hight taste things really are satisfying to me and my
taste buds have become "retrained" so to speak because when I think of
eating something deliecious and satisfying, the pictures that come into my
mind are not ice cream and chocolate but soup and salad.lol.....what can I
say.....maybe i am a little weird here and other people have different
experiences........ggggg..but i will take it.

hope this helps...LG



"RG" > wrote in message
newsy8Xb.477455$JQ1.343669@pd7tw1no...
> but
> those after dinner cravings just eat away at me. HELP! Need
> suggestions for something healthy or something filling for me.
[moderator: quoting trimmed]

RG wrote:
> My question is that I'm "constantly" hungry. I work out 4-5 days a
> week and eat pretty healthy and have lost a lot of weight and am down
> to a size 2 but have gained up to 8 lbs over the holidays from junk
> foods and not working out as much. I want to lose this weight and try
> to avoid eating the chips and sweets which are so tempting for me but
> those after dinner cravings just eat away at me.

Fruits are an obvious choice, but raw vegetables may be even better
(less sugar, more fibre). Several vegetables taste very good as raw
snacks, in particular carrots and kohlrabi.

I also find that oatmeal (or muesli) soaked in fruit juice or milk has a
long-lasting filling effect.

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:31:29 GMT, Dr Engelbert Buxbaum
> took a very strange rock and inscribed
these words:

>raw vegetables may be even better
>(less sugar, more fibre). Several vegetables taste very good as raw
>snacks, in particular carrots and kohlrabi.

Because I have a small kitchen that is uncomfortably cramped for
cooking preparations, I sometimes buy pre-packed stir fry vegetables
in the produce section of my local supermarket, there's one called
something like "broccoli wokly" which has chunks of broccoli, sliced
carrots, and snow peas. I add chopped onion and mushrooms, and also
have a favorite teriyaki sauce that I use for stir fry. When I have
stir fried a big bowl of this and eaten all of it, I find my appetite
for "snacking" has simply evaporated in satisfaction.

I've never eaten kohlrabi, what does it taste like, or what taste
characteristics does it have?


--
Therese Shellabarger / The Roving Reporter - Civis Mundi
/ http://tlshell.cnc.net/

Kohlrabi is very similar to the thick part of a broccili stalk, but is
sweeter, a little tougher (i.e. if you are going to cook it, it takes
longer, and it is very crunchy when raw) and has delicious greens.


mod snip>
> I've never eaten kohlrabi, what does it taste like ...

"SmegghedJ" > wrote in message >...
> Any suggestions on eatting veg and low carb at the same time? I am not
> caught up in this whole Atkins/South Beach thing, but I know many are.
> thanks;-)


I am a vegetarian and have been on Atkins almost 1 year and have lost
about 90 pounds. It has been actually quite easy to go low carb and
vegetarian and if you go on yahoo and do a search you will actually
find quite a few sites that have recipes and other members that are on
similar plans.

I realize a low carb way of life is not for everyone but it truly is
for me and I can't imagine going back to the way I ate before.

Best wishes with whatever you choose.

According to >:
>I realize a low carb way of life is not for everyone but it truly is
>for me and I can't imagine going back to the way I ate before.

Fancy giving us a quick 'typical week's worth of menus' idea?
Would be interested to see what you're eating.


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"Vicky Conlan" > wrote in message
. ..
> According to >:
> >I realize a low carb way of life is not for everyone but it truly is
> >for me and I can't imagine going back to the way I ate before.
>
> Fancy giving us a quick 'typical week's worth of menus' idea?
> Would be interested to see what you're eating.


From another person who has cut carbs (not the person listed above):
I'm not sure if this really qualifies as a low-carb menu, but I'm eating
fewer carbs (and calories, of course) than I had started eating after
cutting meat out of my diet almost a decade ago. Second, I do eat eggs and
dairy products, so if you're vegan, this menu will need some adjustment.
I've been sticking to this plan fairly well since last May and have seldom
felt hungry. I really do think of this as a lifestyle change, not a diet.
Breakfast - two eggs, 1 slice whole grain bread, small can of V-8 juice;
I vary the way I prepare the eggs, including making a cheese or veggie
omelet sometimes.
Snack - a piece of fruit, handful of nuts, or slice of cheese
Lunch - a large lettuce salad with lots of sliced veggies, olives,
cheese or tofu, handful of croutons, and nuts; I vary the ingredients, so
that I don't get bored.
Dinner - Veggie burger, tofu, falafel, hummus, or other veg protein
source; small potato or 1/2 C rice or 1/2 C pasta; 1C (or more) green
veggies.
Drinks - mainly water, sometimes coffee or tea with raw sugar or honey,
occasional fruit juice, very rarely a diet soda
Treats - birthday cake w/ ice cream (not just my b'day, but also family
b'days), one or two pieces of chocolate, "normal" meals on vacation, etc.
I do not beat myself up if a few meals each week do not fit this menu.
Last night I ate three slices of pizza and a couple handfuls of
chips--definitely not low carb, but we had a casual dinner with friends who
are not veg.
HTH

(Vicky Conlan) wrote in message >...
> Fancy giving us a quick 'typical week's worth of menus' idea?
> Would be interested to see what you're eating.

hi!

I do not know why my message got deleted before but I will try again
with a list of some ideas on what to eat. There are really endless
choices, my husband and I try something new at least once a week.

breakfast atkins friends ideas - quiche, flax muffins, vegetarian
'meat' breakfast pattie, etc, etc. I'm not that imaginative for
breakfast

lunch ideas - fried bean curd 'sandwiches', leftovers, salads, etc,
etc

dinner ideas:
- stirfried tofu + spinach many days.
- greek salad with feta, olives, hardboiled egg - you could even throw
some tofu or almonds in.
- Omelette with cheddar cheese or Swiss Jarlsberg Cheese or veggies
- Tofu Spinach or Broccoli Quiche
- Swiss Cheese and Spinach melt on lowcarb bread
- Portobello Mushie sandwich with cheese
- Eggplant parmesan
- Lasagna made with cabbage leaves or eggplant as noodles
- Miso Soup with Tofu
- Sheratake Noodles with alfredo sauce or sauteed roasted vegetables
and parmesan, or LC tomato sauce
- lowcarb Tortillas with stirfried tofu and spices, cheddar, lettuce,
etc etc (OWL for the tortillas)
- Vegetarian fajitas using the LC tortillas
- Cheese and veg quesadillas using the LC tortillas
-Indian food! Like Saag Paneer - use either the paneer cheese or
substitue stirfried tofu- yum!!
- Use LC Tortilla as a pizza base or check out all the pizza recipes
on the recipe board
- use vegetarian soy groundround in any of the meaty recipes from the
recipe board
- Check out the "quorn" products at the healthfood store - a protein
derived from mushrooms
- various salads and endless types of soups
- And many more!

so hope this helps. Atkins or low carb vegetarian is surely possible!

According to >:
>so hope this helps. Atkins or low carb vegetarian is surely possible!

It does - there are a lot of things there that I wasn't having when
trying it out, as I would count such as the pastry on quiche as too
much carbohydrates to be allowed. Same with the lasagne.

If you're allowed lasagne, I highly recommend quorn mince with
mushroom and courgettes with pesto instead of tomato

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(Vicky Conlan) wrote in message >...
> If you're allowed lasagne, I highly recommend quorn mince with
> mushroom and courgettes with pesto instead of tomato

Quorn with mushrooms sounds delicious! I love quorn and it is super
low in carbohydrates. We have made lasasgna though with baked or
fried thin slices of eggplant and has turned out just as good as with
noodles.

Also about the crust there are plenty of bake mixes and so forth that
make a decent enough crust or you can always leave them crustless. (on
the quiche)