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Misterina wrote:

Not a chance. People who believe in wish fulfillment
are brain damaged.



You are the funniest person I know!


You're a dope; just dumber than a bucket of rocks.

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Karen Winter, sectarian bird diddler, wrote:

Skanky wrote:

Leif Erikson wrote:


pearl wrote:


You approve of people "diddling" animals


No. There's no sexual gratification dimension to
artificial insemination.


There was also no sexual gratification for Glorfindel when she
allowed the bird to do its thing. She only said that she thought
it was sweet that the bird was getting some enjoyment in its
difficult life. Since she did not get sexual gratification, and
since the cattle ranchers who, um, 'milk' the sperm from the bulls
do not get gratification, they are on the same moral level.
Possibly Glorfindel's morals are even better than the ranchers.
Her motive was for the bird to be happy, and their motive was to
sell the sperm for money and then impregnate the females without
regard to letting the animals do it their own way.



That is why I feel artificial insemination is wrong at both
(bad pun ) ends of the process.


But you thought it was "sweet" when you "regularly" jacked off the
fleabag cockatiel.

The bull does not choose
to be forced into this process. He may get some gratification,
but that is not the purpose of the activity. The purpose
is to *USE* an animal, make the animal a thing, a slave,


Animals aren't slaves. Your ancestors had some, though. And they also
****ed the Indians out of water rights. For all your do-gooder liberal
wastoid sentiments, how have you made amends, Karen? By jacking off
small animals?

a tool. The person doing it doesn't *care* if the bull enjoys
it,


Correct, and this is the difference between what they do to bulls and
what YOU do to small animals.

only that the bull produces. That is wrong.


No, it isn't.

The same is
true of the cow: she gets no enjoyment from the insemination


Irrelevant.

at all. That's why the restraint used is called a "rape rack."
It is rape for her, and she gets no more moral consideration than
the bull.


Cows don't deserve more consideration than what animal welfare
laws already afford them.

She is an economic tool for the farmer.


Correct. So...?

He gets
milk (by taking the calf away and turning him into veal
and her into another milk-machine slave) and eventually sells the
spent cow for meat.


Because consumers demand milk, veal, beef.

It is a thoroughly evil system


No, there's nothing evil about it.

and
both inhumane and harmful to all the animals involved -- bull,
cow, and calf.


*playing mock violin... mockingly*

It is, simply, morally evil and wrong.


No, but you are for diddling that bird. WWJD?
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Skanky wrote:

chico chupacabra wrote:
There is definite sexual gratification for a 'milked' bull


Bulls aren't milked, dumb ass. And you want a five-acre farm and a
pickup...


How do I say this to you delicately?


You could start by learning that there's no E in masturbation, dumbass.

I referred to the human-assisted masterbation


Which you find acceptable when Karen does it to a bird, even if you
can't spell it. At 46, no less.

I don't see a difference here.


You did when you first learned that it was true; you said it was
gross. Now you and Lesley feel compelled to once again circle the
wagons and protect The Side. This time, though, that circle is a
circle jerk with a small abused cockatiel in the middle.


I still think it's gross, but the bird was definitely not abused.


Definitely? You can't speak for the bird because you weren't a witness
to it. You have Karen's self-serving account.

Don't portray it that way.


Why not?

What is The Side?


The Confederacy of Dunces who support AR at AAEV, TPA, and AFV.

It was very sexual for
her.


Prove this. She has not said so.


She said it was "sweet." She's so happy the bird liked her more than
other birds. Etc. Everything she's said, in toto, indicates prurient
interest in what happened.

Morally, she is not lower than the ranchers.


So you're taking the side that it's better and moral to ****
animals so long as you don't eat them.


I don't believe in any sexual abuse of animals.


Except when you know of Karen's experience with it, then it's okay.
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Karen Winter, sectarian bird-diddling "anglo catholic," wrote:

chico chupacabra wrote:

Karen Winter, sectarian bird-diddling "anglo catholic," wrote:

I think artificial insemination of animals is completely immoral,
It violates an animal's right to autonomy, to own his own life.


So would neutering or forcing abortion,


Yes, that is true.


You would impose your will as YOU see fit, but the animals could
impose their own wills when you're not around to do it for them.

As I said, sterilizing would
be more ethical than either.


On your utilitarian or their moral grounds?

both of which you would
impose YOUR will over the animal in question


Animals have a
right to form their own social groups


Then set them free, don't bring them into your trailer.


That is the ultimate goal of animal rights.


Then stop keeping pets, hypocrite.

and choose their own
mate(s) according to the biological methods of their
particular species.


Which is antithetical to you jacking it off.


I didn't "jack him off."


You sure did.

Everything he did was his own idea, not mine --
I did nothing but provide a surface.


How quickly did you wash off his jizz?

In this case, he chose me as his mate


Which made you feel "special" because it was "sweet" and you let it
occur "regularly." Yuck.
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Derek wrote:

Yes, that's correct. I saw to it that Karen and Sylvia were removed
from St. Bede's Episcopal Church, 1601 South St. Francis Drive, Santa
Fe, NM after The Rev. Dr. Richard W. Murphy looked into the
evidence I provided him concerning their hatred of children and the
potential threat they posed to young children there, and now Fr. Dale
is looking at that same evidence. Hopefully, he will reach the same
conclusion and remove them from their new parish, The Church of the
Holy Faith just around the corner from where they live.



Thanks, Derek. You're too late, Bubbe. We haven't attended Holy Faith
for some time.

God forgive you. I do. I know you just don't have the ability
to understand what freedom means in a diverse society.


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Karen Winter, schismatic ex-congregant at Holy Faith
Episcopal, wrote:

Derek wrote:

Yes, that's correct. I saw to it that Karen and Sylvia were removed
from St. Bede's Episcopal Church, 1601 South St. Francis Drive, Santa
Fe, NM after The Rev. Dr. Richard W. Murphy looked into the
evidence I provided him concerning their hatred of children and the
potential threat they posed to young children there, and now Fr. Dale
is looking at that same evidence. Hopefully, he will reach the same
conclusion and remove them from their new parish, The Church of the
Holy Faith just around the corner from where they live.




Thanks, Derek. You're too late, Bubbe. We haven't attended Holy Faith
for some time.


Not all that long a time - apparently you stopped
attending in early July.

Could it be that an important person in the church
expressed his views in support of traditional
Episcopal/Anglican doctrine, and you, you model of
"tolerance", grabbed the FAS-wreckage by the hand and
stomped off? Is that what happened, Karen?


God forgive you. I do.


Derek saw through your sham "forgiveness" before. He
would never be fooled by it again.
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cheeky the clown wrote:
How do I say this to you delicately?


You could start by learning that there's no E in masturbation, dumbass.


Don't whiff off into a rant about spelling.

I referred to the human-assisted masterbation


Which you find acceptable when Karen does it to a bird, even if you
can't spell it. At 46, no less.


You have been corrected about my age several times now. Are you that
stubborn, that even when a correction involves something as minor as
age, you refuse to budge? Anyways, back to the matter at hand.
Actively, and on the human's initiative, masturbating a bull to
completion, is NOT more moral than passively, and on the animal's
initiative, allowing the bird to masturbate on one.

I still think it's gross, but the bird was definitely not abused.


Definitely? You can't speak for the bird because you weren't a witness
to it. You have Karen's self-serving account.


Then, you have her account too. Since neither you or I are Glorfindel,
the best info we have on the matter is her account. I believe that I
have been portraying her account accurately, and that you've been
twisting it.

What is The Side?


The Confederacy of Dunces who support AR at AAEV, TPA, and AFV.


Your evil arch-enemies?

It was very sexual for
her.


Prove this. She has not said so.


She said it was "sweet." She's so happy the bird liked her more than
other birds. Etc. Everything she's said, in toto, indicates prurient
interest in what happened.


Sweet does not necessarily indicate feeling sexual. I think it's far
more likely that she was happy that the bird was happy.

Morally, she is not lower than the ranchers.

So you're taking the side that it's better and moral to ****
animals so long as you don't eat them.


I don't believe in any sexual abuse of animals.


Except when you know of Karen's experience with it, then it's okay.


If you want to get technical about it, the bird sexually approached
her, so if there is any abuse, the bird was the abuser!!! Since she
consented to let her hand be used, there isn't any abuse after all.

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alt.religion.christian.episcopal replaced.

On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 12:48:34 -0600, Glorfindel wrote:
Derek wrote:

Yes, that's correct. I saw to it that Karen and Sylvia were removed
from St. Bede's Episcopal Church, 1601 South St. Francis Drive, Santa
Fe, NM after The Rev. Dr. Richard W. Murphy looked into the
evidence I provided him concerning their hatred of children and the
potential threat they posed to young children there, and now Fr. Dale
is looking at that same evidence. Hopefully, he will reach the same
conclusion and remove them from their new parish, The Church of the
Holy Faith just around the corner from where they live.


Thanks, Derek.


No problem, really.

You're too late, Bubbe. We haven't attended Holy Faith
for some time.


I already know that, Karen. Fr. Dale told me that neither
of you have been back since early July after he stated his
traditional views regarding matters pertaining to the
Episcopal church. In short, your and Sylvia's unholy union
isn't tolerated there. And let's not forget your hatred of
children and the views you hold regarding "responsible
paedophiles". He was very interested about your quotes,
and he's very concerned as to why you chose a church
that specialises in child care in the first place.

"The supposed "innocence" of children is a myth only
believed by those who either have never known a child,
or wilfully close their eyes. Children are capable of every
sin there is."
http://tinyurl.com/2xn8o

"Laws are not the answer; love is the answer. And
sometimes that love is provided by caring and responsible
pedophiles or ephebophiles. OTOH, sometimes it's just a
quick jerk-off or blowjob, and if people didn't make a big
deal out of it, it wouldn't be significant at all."
http://tinyurl.com/2xn8o

"You just don't get it, do you? Pedophiles don't hate children
-- they like them, enjoy being with them, love them both as
sexual partners and as companions. A child-hating pedophile
is a contradiction in terms. Many pedophiles and ephebophiles
work in professions where they come in contact with children,
and are excellent in those fields because they understand and
like children, and can relate to them well on a one-to-one basis."
http://tinyurl.com/2l79z

"I would have had no hesitation in letting my son associate
with the responsible pedophiles I met."
http://snipurl.com/4aej

"Do I hate kids? Yes!"
http://tinyurl.com/2f3wx

"Get this loud and get this clear, I HATE CHILDREN. I
hate YOUR children, I hate THEIR children, I hate every
shitstain, every whine, squeal, drool, dribble and quiver of
the little maggotty flesh loaves, ARE WE CLEAR ON
THAT?!"
http://snipurl.com/4ae8

You foolishly believed that, since being kicked out of your
former parish for being a potential danger to the children
there you could escape your past, but I've put an end to
that by contacting,










to make them all aware of it. Hang your head in shame
and keep running, Karen. Oh, and by the way, thanks
for admitting you are Karen Winter at long last. All you
need to do now is apologise to all those you've lied to
here while trying to conceal your true, shameful identity?
When can we expect that?
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:20:28 GMT, Leif Erikson wrote:
Karen Winter, schismatic ex-congregant at Holy Faith Episcopal, wrote:
Derek wrote:

Yes, that's correct. I saw to it that Karen and Sylvia were removed
from St. Bede's Episcopal Church, 1601 South St. Francis Drive, Santa
Fe, NM after The Rev. Dr. Richard W. Murphy looked into the
evidence I provided him concerning their hatred of children and the
potential threat they posed to young children there, and now Fr. Dale
is looking at that same evidence. Hopefully, he will reach the same
conclusion and remove them from their new parish, The Church of the
Holy Faith just around the corner from where they live.


Thanks, Derek. You're too late, Bubbe. We haven't attended Holy Faith
for some time.


Not all that long a time - apparently you stopped
attending in early July.

Could it be that an important person in the church
expressed his views in support of traditional
Episcopal/Anglican doctrine, and you, you model of
"tolerance", grabbed the FAS-wreckage by the hand and
stomped off? Is that what happened, Karen?


Yes, that's exactly what happened.

God forgive you. I do.


Derek saw through your sham "forgiveness" before. He
would never be fooled by it again.


Correct!

Watch the headers, Leif. Karen removed alt.religion.christian.episcopal.
before replying for some very strange reason.
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Karen Winter, schismatic ex-congregant at Holy Faith
Episcopal, wrote:

Derek wrote:

Yes, that's correct. I saw to it that Karen and Sylvia were removed
from St. Bede's Episcopal Church, 1601 South St. Francis Drive, Santa
Fe, NM after The Rev. Dr. Richard W. Murphy looked into the
evidence I provided him concerning their hatred of children and the
potential threat they posed to young children there, and now Fr. Dale
is looking at that same evidence. Hopefully, he will reach the same
conclusion and remove them from their new parish, The Church of the
Holy Faith just around the corner from where they live.




Thanks, Derek. You're too late, Bubbe. We haven't attended Holy Faith
for some time.


Not all that long a time - apparently you stopped
attending in early July.

Could it be that an important person in the church
expressed his views in support of traditional
Episcopal/Anglican doctrine, and you, you model of
"tolerance", grabbed the FAS-wreckage by the hand and
stomped off? Is that what happened, Karen?


God forgive you. I do.


Derek saw through your sham "forgiveness" before. He
would never be fooled by it again.


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Derek wrote:

On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:20:28 GMT, Leif Erikson wrote:

Karen Winter, schismatic ex-congregant at Holy Faith Episcopal, wrote:

Derek wrote:


Yes, that's correct. I saw to it that Karen and Sylvia were removed
from St. Bede's Episcopal Church, 1601 South St. Francis Drive, Santa
Fe, NM after The Rev. Dr. Richard W. Murphy looked into the
evidence I provided him concerning their hatred of children and the
potential threat they posed to young children there, and now Fr. Dale
is looking at that same evidence. Hopefully, he will reach the same
conclusion and remove them from their new parish, The Church of the
Holy Faith just around the corner from where they live.

Thanks, Derek. You're too late, Bubbe. We haven't attended Holy Faith
for some time.


Not all that long a time - apparently you stopped
attending in early July.

Could it be that an important person in the church
expressed his views in support of traditional
Episcopal/Anglican doctrine, and you, you model of
"tolerance", grabbed the FAS-wreckage by the hand and
stomped off? Is that what happened, Karen?



Yes, that's exactly what happened.


God forgive you. I do.


Derek saw through your sham "forgiveness" before. He
would never be fooled by it again.



Correct!

Watch the headers, Leif. Karen removed alt.religion.christian.episcopal.
before replying for some very strange reason.


Fixed and reposted. Thanks for the alert.
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chico chupacabra wrote:

snip

WWJD?


I'm *quite* sure He wouldn't make his living
masturbating captive bulls and selling their
semen. He was a carpenter before He began His
religious ministry; there's no record of him
making money off the abuse of any animal.

But He did say it was right to lay down one's life
for the sheep, and that not a sparrow falls
without His concern. He also compared Himself
to a mother hen.
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Karen Winter, sectarian bird molestor and chronic church-shopper, wrote:

Derek wrote:

Yes, that's correct. I saw to it that Karen and Sylvia were removed
from St. Bede's Episcopal Church, 1601 South St. Francis Drive,
Santa Fe, NM after The Rev. Dr. Richard W. Murphy looked into the
evidence I provided him concerning their hatred of children and the
potential threat they posed to young children there, and now Fr.
Dale is looking at that same evidence. Hopefully, he will reach the
same conclusion and remove them from their new parish, The Church
of the Holy Faith just around the corner from where they live.



Thanks, Derek. You're too late, Bubbe. We haven't attended Holy
Faith for some time.


Why not? Because you're too SECTARIAN to worship with those with whom
you disagree?

God forgive you.


God forgive YOU. For molesting animals, for rebelling against your
father, for abandoning your son, for joining dress up communes, for
tearing apart two marriages to pursue *******ism, for wanting your
grandson to grow up homosexual like you and rebel against his father,
for not liking your son as a person, for causing schism in your church,
and for being an impenitent total shit about all of it.

I do.


No, you don't. It's clear from this little show that you don't.

I know you just don't have the ability
to understand what freedom means in a diverse society.


Apparently YOU're the person who has a problem with it because you have
to shop around for a congregation that suits your peculiar point of
view. Why can't you tolerate others the way you want them to tolerate
you, you intolerant, sectarian, schismatic bird diddler?
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Skanky, stoned 46 year-old bus rider, wrote:

How do I say this to you delicately?


You could start by learning that there's no E in masturbation,
dumbass.


Don't whiff off into a rant about spelling.


I didn't, moron. Learn to ****ing spell.

I referred to the human-assisted masterbation


Which you find acceptable when Karen does it to a bird, even if you
can't spell it. At 46, no less.


You have been corrected about my age


You're in your mid-40s and can't spell masturbation.

If you want to get technical about it, the bird sexually approached
her, so if there is any abuse, the bird was the abuser!!!


Now you're blaming the bird just like she did.

...she consented to let her hand be used


Exactly, and that makes her a pervert.
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Karen Winter, schismatic bird diddler, wrote:

chico chupacabra wrote:

snip


Why did you snip those insightful questions? Why won't you tell us what
you did after your little bird friend was finished?

WWJD?


I'm *quite* sure He wouldn't


He wouldn't diddle a cockatiel, would he?


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