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You know, just when I think you can't sink any lower, you surprise me again. Have you *no* shame? Well, obviously not. You have totally abandoned any attempt to defend your *original* claim in this thread, which I explained was incorrect. In fact, you are now claiming exactly the opposite of what you said at first, in an effort to attack Pearl with a sick fantasy of *yours*. She and I both understand the scientific facts of imprinting in animals, particularly birds. You may or may not -- you have never addressed the scientific issue which was in question at all, because you know you are wrong about it. You hope by creating another one of your ridiculous fantasies to obscure that fact -- that you are unable to address the scientific question. So, since you have abandoned your original claim, we can assume you have no evidence to present, and you show by your silence that you know you were wrong. You are an idiot, and a particularly dishonorable one. You used to at least *attempt* an on-topic argument before fleeing the field and turning to personal attacks. Now you don't even try. LOL! <snip> >>>>>Look up "imprinting" and "socialization" and "wildlife >>>>>rehabilitation". The earliest modern resource is >>>>>Konrad Lorenz, who pioneered the scientific concept of >>>>>imprinting, working with birds. All people working >>>>>with re-releasing captive-bred wild species, or with >>>>>natural behavior of such species, cover the subject. |
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Karen Winter, schismatic cat shampooer, lied:
> > > You know, just when I think you can't sink any lower, You abandoned your son when he was a young boy. *THAT* is sinking low, Karen. |
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pervert jonathan ball aka "Leif Erikson" > lied in message
oups.com... > pearl wrote: > > > > > <...> > > > > > >>>Or as Karen Winter put it: > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think I have a right to prevent people by force > > > > > > from doing things which cause no harm to another, > > > > > > human or animal. > > > > > > > > > > IOW, you don't object to humans ****ing animals. Case closed. > > > > > > > > What case? I told you back then that I think it is a perversion. > > > > > > You don't condemn it. > > > > Yes, I do. > > No: I think it is a perversion. I think it is morally wrong. I condemn it. > > > You think people ****ing animals in the privacy > > > of their own homes is their business. > > > > So apparently do all of these US states and countries: > > That doesn't get you off the hook for your LYING about having condemned > it. You do *not* condemn it. I told you that think it is a perversion, LIAR. That is condemnation. > Condemning it would be saying it's > unequivocally wrong and that no one should do it, anywhere or any > time. You won't do that; your phony sense of "tolerance" won't let > you. What is -your- objection to it? Unlike me, you don't care about animals, - so it must be that you think it is debasing to the human involved. Well, that's absolutely incredible coming from the most foul lowlife on usenet! > You snipped - unethically - my comment that you're not willing to grant > meat eaters the same free pass. You and that lying **** Karen Winter > are both fascists. You're the one wanting to CONTROL every aspect of people's lives. YOU snipped it, stupid lying fascist ball. -- restore -- > You *don't* think people should have the right to eat meat in the > privacy of their own homes, but you do think it's okay if they **** > animals. Go figure! I oppose anything which causes harm and distress. Why don't you? --- Answer the question, ball. And these as well, while you're at it... (You won't - you'll snip and run leaving a trail of filth behind you) Where did you learn that "no animal anticipates", as you have repeatedly claimed? What are your qualifications in the field? Where did you study various aspects of rape, and anatomy? Why do you try to defend the rape of children, jonathan ball? |
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pervert jonathan ball "Leif Erikson" > lied in message
oups.com... pearl wrote: > > > > > >>><snip> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>>>>And just to be clear, you *do* endorse bestiality: > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> *As long as the feelings are mutual*, > > > > > >>>>>> and there's *no coercion or force involved,* why > > > > > >>>>>> should you be concerned? Personally, I have no > > > > > >>>>>> problem with people's personal choices *as long as > > > > > >>>>>> they don't harm or cause distress to another*- be it > > > > > >>>>>> human or animal. [emphasis in original] > > > > > >>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/dwzj7 > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>>>From an AR point of view. What people do in the privacy of > > > > > > their own home may be sick as hell, but as long as they're not > > > > > > harming or causing distress to another - that's their business. > > > > > > > > > > So you endorse it. You don't condemn it. Saying it's > > > > > "their business" is endorsement of it. > > > > > > > > Saying it is sick as hell is condemnation. > > > > > > No. > > > > Of course it is condemnation. > > No. Of course it is condemnation. condemnation 1. an expression of strong disapproval; pronouncing as wrong or morally culpable http://www.answers.com/condemnation&r=67 > > > Saying "that is WRONG and BAD, > > > > Same thing. > > No, they're not the same thing, condemnation 1. an expression of strong disapproval; pronouncing as wrong or morally culpable http://www.answers.com/condemnation&r=67 > > > and you shou.d STOP it" is > > > condemning it. Saying that what people do in the privacy of their own > > > homes is their own business, is an endorsement of it. > > > > Are you going to claim that all of these states > > We're not talking about any states. We're talking about YOU. You > endorse bestiality. No I don't. I think it is a perversion, as the vast majority do, whether it is legislated against or not. And, like many, I don't believe that I've the right to interfere with others' choices - so long as they don't harm or cause distress to others. Your moral posturing is bogus, psycho. |
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Lesley the foot-rubbing trollop wrote:
> > <...> > > >>>Or as Karen Winter put it: > > >>> > > > > > > I don't think I have a right to prevent people by force > > > from doing things which cause no harm to another, > > > human or animal. > > > > IOW, you don't object to humans ****ing animals. Case closed. > > What case? Exactly, you never had one. > I told you back then that I think it is a perversion. Yet you've never categorically condemned it the same way you have eating meat. Why is that, Lesley? Why do you find it wrong to eat an animal's flesh but permissible to sexually abuse it? > Whether I think there should be a law against it is another question. You keep confirming the fact that you're pro-bestiality. |
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Chelsea foot-rubbing harlot wrote:
> > >>>>>>>Why do you claim I am not qualified to know? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>Because you never studied this the relevant disciplines in science. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>I have. > > >>>> > > >>>>You have not, Karen. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>What makes you think that you are qualified to know that? > > >> > > >>She has stated that she studied history at university. > > >> Then she got a job shampooing cats. She hasn't > > >>studied biology, zoology, anatomy or any other science > > >>at the university level. Neither have you. > > > > > > > > > You don't know what we've studied. > > > > Uh huh. You failed out of engineering school and ended up learning > > "reflexology" from new age hippie conmen: > > > > I am a qualified Reflexologist and received my training in > > > > London. > > http://tinyurl.com/mh7a > > > > Reflexology is pseudoscience: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflexo...cientific_view > > BULLSHIT Reflexology = bullshit. Penn and Teller were spot on. |
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"chico chupacabra" > wrote in message ...
pearl wrote: > > > > <...> > > > >>>Or as Karen Winter put it: > > > >>> > > > > > > > > I don't think I have a right to prevent people by force > > > > from doing things which cause no harm to another, > > > > human or animal. > > > > > > IOW, you don't object to humans ****ing animals. Case closed. > > > > What case? > > Exactly, you never had one. YOU never had one, liar. > > I told you back then that I think it is a perversion. > > Yet you've never categorically condemned it condemnation 1. an expression of strong disapproval; pronouncing as wrong or morally culpable http://www.answers.com/condemnation&r=67 > the same way you have eating meat. Why is that, >Why do you find it wrong to eat an animal's flesh but permissible > to sexually abuse it? Because it might not cause harm or distress as meat eating does. > > Whether I think there should be a law against it is another question. > > You keep confirming the fact that you're pro-bestiality. No. You just keep intentionally mis-interpreting what I'm saying. |
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"chico chupacabra" > wrote in message ...
> Chelsea foot-rubbing harlot wrote: Lie # 1, 2 and 3. > > > >>>>>>>Why do you claim I am not qualified to know? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>Because you never studied this the relevant disciplines in science. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>I have. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>You have not, Karen. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>What makes you think that you are qualified to know that? > > > >> > > > >>She has stated that she studied history at university. > > > >> Then she got a job shampooing cats. She hasn't > > > >>studied biology, zoology, anatomy or any other science > > > >>at the university level. Neither have you. > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't know what we've studied. > > > > > > Uh huh. You failed out of engineering school and ended up learning > > > "reflexology" from new age hippie conmen: Lies # 4 and 5. > > > I am a qualified Reflexologist and received my training in > > > > > > London. > > > http://tinyurl.com/mh7a > > > > > > Reflexology is pseudoscience: > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflexo...cientific_view > > > > BULLSHIT > > Reflexology = bullshit. Penn and Teller were spot on. You citing illusionists as authorities on it? What a joke! |
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Lesley wrote:
<snip off-topic character assassination> > > You *don't* think people should have the right to eat meat in the > > privacy of their own homes, but you do think it's okay if they **** > > animals. Go figure! > > I oppose anything which causes harm and distress. Yet you condone sexual abuse of animals. |
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Karen Winter, schismatic ******* who abandoned her son, wrote:
> You know, just when I think you can't sink any lower, Look who's talking. The "anglo-catholic" who endorses pedophilia, bestiality, and is willing to stand up and cause painful divisions in her church. How do pedophilia and bestiality rank in "anglo-catholicism," Karen? Are they accepted practices? Or are you working on creating more schism the same way you have with sham homosexual marriages and ordination of impentitent fudgepackers? <...> > You have totally abandoned Not the way you did your own family. No, I don't like him as a person. If he weren't my son, I wouldn't want anything to do with him. -- Karen Winter, Date: 2004-01-22 http://snipurl.com/4aea I would have had no hesitation in letting my son associate with the responsible pedophiles I met. -- Karen Winter, 1999/07/11 http://snipurl.com/4aej And for what did you abandon your son? For this sick old FAS-defective bat: Do I hate kids? Yes! -- Swan, Date: 2000/04/09 http://tinyurl.com/2f3wx Hate the very social structure that created me? Oh, Fertilla, you don't KNOW the homicidal fury that writhes within my form like a rotting pestilential tumor crying for its freedom! When I think back... when I ALLOW myself to think back to the pastel stucco houses, each with a tricycle or a swingset in the yard and a Cocker Spaniel or maybe a kitty named Mister Fluff, I want to scream. No, I want to do worse than that... I want to tear down those prim little houses, each festering in its own self-assured vileness! I want to firebomb the Chevy Suburbans, and **** a swastika into every dichondra infested lawn! I want to grab Ward Cleaver by his ****ing GONADS and rip his belly oepn to expose the wretched vomiting hypocrisy that fills him like gas fills a dead wildebeest in the African sun. I want to smash the windows to let in the wind and maybe dissipate the stench of June Cleaver's rotting viviparous snatch! Then I want to visit their neighbors, Ozzie and Harriet. Maybe I'll catch JUne and Harriet in a squirming ******* love-fest, if either of them can stand the stretched-out stench of their babyslots! Maybe we'll get lucky and see Ricky buggering the Beav with eight inches of steel hard social frustration screaming "I'll SHOW you whay they call you 'Beaver' you little faggot!" ....You want bitter ****s, Smurfetta, you GOT 'em! Bitter? Try so ****ing disgusted at a society that worships people in exact inverse ratio to their age! The egg os holier than the soaked Kotex, the zygote is better than the egg, but after that, it's ALL DOWNHILL, Baby! Praise the sacred ****ing FETUS, worry about the CHILLLLdrunnnn, but **** the adult, and SHITSCREW the poor senior citizen worthless pile of flesh that he is! **** Granny, but SAVE the bayyyybeeeee! Consider me the retroactive ABORTION rotting in you living room! You'll NEVER get me out of your carpet, no matter HOW hard you try! I ****ing BATHE in PetFresh and Febreeze and my rage STILL stinks to the high heavens, because when you get a whiff of ME you're smelling YOU! I AM YOUR BOIL lanced and splattered over your Sunday picnic! Get this loud and get this clear, I HATE CHILDREN. I hate YOUR children, I hate THEIR children, I hate every shitstain, every whine, squeal, drool, dribble and quiver of the little maggotty flesh loaves, ARE WE CLEAR ON THAT?! -- Sylvia Stevens, Date: 2000/02/12 http://snipurl.com/4ae8 How can YOU say anyone else has sunk low? You're the bottom of the friggin' barrel, Karen. |
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Lesley, perverted foot-rubbing shithead from Eire, wrote:
> > > > > > >>><snip> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>>>>And just to be clear, you *do* endorse bestiality: > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> *As long as the feelings are mutual*, > > > > > > >>>>>> and there's *no coercion or force involved,* why > > > > > > >>>>>> should you be concerned? Personally, I have no > > > > > > >>>>>> problem with people's personal choices *as long as > > > > > > >>>>>> they don't harm or cause distress to another*- be it > > > > > > >>>>>> human or animal. [emphasis in original] > > > > > > >>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/dwzj7 > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>>>From an AR point of view. What people do in the privacy of > > > > > > > their own home may be sick as hell, but as long as they're not > > > > > > > harming or causing distress to another - that's their business. > > > > > > > > > > > > So you endorse it. You don't condemn it. Saying it's > > > > > > "their business" is endorsement of it. > > > > > > > > > > Saying it is sick as hell is condemnation. > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > Of course it is condemnation. > > > > No. > > Of course it is condemnation. You wrote yesterday, "Whether I think there should be a law against it is another question." That CONDONES it, it doesn't condemn it. > condemnation > 1. an expression of strong disapproval; pronouncing > as wrong or morally culpable Yet you still find it in your heart to condone it: "Whether I think there should be a law against it is another question." > > We're not talking about any states. We're talking about YOU. You > > endorse bestiality. > > No I don't. I. You offer qualified objections to it: *As long as the feelings are mutual*, and there's *no coercion or force involved,* why should you be concerned? Personally, I have no problem with people's personal choices *as long as they don't harm or cause distress to another*- be it human or animal. [emphasis in original] lesley ("liesley") - http://tinyurl.com/dwzj7 II. You've condoned it as a matter of privacy: "What people do in the privacy of their own home may be sick as hell, but as long as they're not harming or causing distress to another - that's their business." III. You've further stated that you'd even oppose laws against it: "Whether I think there should be a law against it is another question." Whose side are you on, Lesley? The animal ****ers' side. > And, like many, I don't believe that I've > the right to interfere with others' choices Unless they want to EAT an animal instead of **** it. You have a perverted sense of right and wrong, pervert. |
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"chico chupacabra" > wrote in message ...
> pearl wrote: > > <snip off-topic character assassination> Hypocrite. That's your MO. > > > You *don't* think people should have the right to eat meat in the > > > privacy of their own homes, but you do think it's okay if they **** > > > animals. Go figure! > > > > I oppose anything which causes harm and distress. > > Yet you condone sexual abuse of animals. No. I have said it is a perversion numerous times. |
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Lesley continued her lies and perversions:
> > the same way you have eating meat. Why is that, > >Why do you find it wrong to eat an animal's flesh but permissible > > to sexually abuse it? > > Because it might not cause harm or distress as meat eating does. "Might not"?! Meat that's being eaten doesn't feel a thing. I'm not so sure animals get off, so to speak, on being sexually assaulted by humans or even by being conditioned to be receptive to sexual assault. > > > Whether I think there should be a law against it is another question. > > > > You keep confirming the fact that you're pro-bestiality. > > No. Yes. I. You offer only qualified objections to it: *As long as the feelings are mutual*, and there's *no coercion or force involved,* why should you be concerned? Personally, I have no problem with people's personal choices *as long as they don't harm or cause distress to another*- be it human or animal. [emphasis in original] lesley ("liesley") - http://tinyurl.com/dwzj7 II. You've condoned it as a matter of privacy: "What people do in the privacy of their own home may be sick as hell, but as long as they're not harming or causing distress to another - that's their business." III. You've further stated that you'd even oppose laws against it: "Whether I think there should be a law against it is another question." Whose side are you on, Lesley? The animal ****ers' side. |
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Lesley, an indefensible fake, wrote:
> > > > > You don't know what we've studied. > > > > > > > > Uh huh. You failed out of engineering school and ended up learning > > > > "reflexology" from new age hippie conmen: > > > > > > > > I am a qualified Reflexologist and received my training in > > > > > > > > London. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/mh7a > > > > > > > > Reflexology is pseudoscience: > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflexo...cientific_view > > > > > > BULLSHIT > > > > Reflexology = bullshit. Penn and Teller were spot on. > > You citing illusionists as authorities on it? What a joke! Not as authorities, per se, but their show BULLSHIT exposes frauds and pseudoscience and other irrational nonsense. "Alternative medicine" is bullshit. |
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Lesley continues to condone bestiality:
> > > > You *don't* think people should have the right to eat meat in the > > > > privacy of their own homes, but you do think it's okay if they **** > > > > animals. Go figure! > > > > > > I oppose anything which causes harm and distress. > > > > Yet you condone sexual abuse of animals. > > No. Yes. You CONDONE it. tr.v. con-doned, con-don-ing, con-dones To overlook, forgive, or disregard (an offense) without protest or censure. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/condone > I have said it is a perversion numerous times. Yet you continue to condone it: I. You offer only qualified objections to it: *As long as the feelings are mutual*, and there's *no coercion or force involved,* why should you be concerned? Personally, I have no problem with people's personal choices *as long as they don't harm or cause distress to another*- be it human or animal. [emphasis in original] lesley ("liesley") - http://tinyurl.com/dwzj7 II. You've condoned it as a matter of privacy: "What people do in the privacy of their own home may be sick as hell, but as long as they're not harming or causing distress to another - that's their business." III. You've further stated that you'd even oppose laws against it: "Whether I think there should be a law against it is another question." Whose side are you on, Lesley? The animal ****ers' side. You haven't and can't disassociate yourself from them. |
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Ooooeeerrr, what am I missing here? I hate losing out on a good argument
"pearl" > wrote in message ... > "chico chupacabra" > wrote in message ... > > > pearl wrote: > > > > <snip off-topic character assassination> > > Hypocrite. That's your MO. > > > > > You *don't* think people should have the right to eat meat in the > > > > privacy of their own homes, but you do think it's okay if they **** > > > > animals. Go figure! > > > > > > I oppose anything which causes harm and distress. > > > > Yet you condone sexual abuse of animals. > > No. I have said it is a perversion numerous times. > > > > > > > > |
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> Not as authorities, per se, but their show BULLSHIT exposes frauds and
pseudoscience and other irrational nonsense. "Alternative medicine" is bullshit. What happens if and when it works? |
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On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:39:26 +0100, "pearl" > wrote:
>Goo wrote: > >> We're talking about YOU. You endorse bestiality. > >No I don't. I think it is a perversion, as the vast majority do, whether >it is legislated against or not. And, like many, I don't believe that I've >the right to interfere with others' choices - so long as they don't harm >or cause distress to others. That wasn't so hard was it? Is that the only thing on Goo's list you disagree with? If not, what else? >Your moral posturing is bogus, psycho. True, but that's also true of all "aras" imo...even the slightly less dishonest ones. |
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Misterina wrote:
> > Not as authorities, per se, but their show BULLSHIT exposes frauds and > pseudoscience and other irrational nonsense. "Alternative medicine" is > bullshit. > > What happens if and when it works? It *doesn't* "work" as its scammers suggest. Reflexology's benefits don't extend beyond palliative results, like reducing stress or in the treatment of psychosomatic issues for which there's no underlying health problem to treat. While stress reduction *is* important, that's a much lower hurdle to clear than the "cure-all" nonsense its advocates claim for it. Reflexology has failed to live up to its hype in every double-blind study to which it's been subjected. Every single one. http://skepdic.com/reflex.html http://mtrsn.burtcom.homeip.net/sfaq_004.htm http://skepdic.com/comments/reflexcom.html http://www.ncahf.org/articles/o-r/reflexology.html Etc. |
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:54:17 +0100, "William" > wrote:
><dh@.> pointed out: > >> If we Google Goo, we find that he is: >> __________________________________________________ _______ >> Web Results 1 - 10 of about 499 for Goobernicus Gonad. (0.51 seconds) >> [...] >> Goobernicus Gonad - - the moron who thinks he's a genius and enjoys >> being referred to simply as " Goo " - - >> [...] >> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ >> In his dishonest attempts to promote his own dishonesty, Goo has >> pretended to be the following people agreeing with himself, *plus* >> what is likely to be an even longer list that we're not yet aware of: >> >> Jonathan Ball >> Citizen >> Benfez >> Wilson Woods >> Radical Moderate >> Bingo >> Edward >> George >> Bill >> Fred >> Mystery Poster >> Merlin the dog >> Bob the dog >> >> elvira >> Dieter >> "Dieter " >> > >> Abner Hale >> Roger Whitaker >> ****tard >> Apoo >> Ted Bell >> >> Jay Santos >> >> Rudy Canoza >> Trappist >> >> Leif Erikson >> S. Maizlich >> SlipperySlope >> Eden >> Sylvia Stevens >> >I remember some of those names. Are they all him? Yes "they"--and probably as many more--are the same desperate and contemptible poster. >Who's Goo? It's a way of referring to the desperate and contemptible poster without rewarding his dishonesty by pretending along with him that he's many different people, and without insulting ourselves by rewarding Goo for the dishonest trick. When I first saw Goo posting he was pretending to be "Jonathan Ball" and then he went on to the others, plus the ones I'm not aware of. Goo often posts as several different people in the same thread. There's no reason to reward his dishonest tricks after we become aware of them. One thing Goo can't escape from is the fact that he thinks he's very intelligent, so "Goobernicus" fits the moron perfectly, and it's an easy way of referring to this one particularly dishonest individual pretending to be many. >> Goo claims to have some sort of honorary PhD from somewhere, >> reportedly in dishonesty and idiotics. Whether or not there's any >> element of truth to it, the Goober has certainly displayed himself in >> a dishonest and idiotic manner a number of times: >> __________________________________________________ _______ >> Ron asked: >>>So you are telling us that the cow was purposely bred into existance >>>and fed and watered for 12 years only to be sold at the lowest price in >>>the beef industry......and all that done with the singular purpose of >>>supplying the pet food industry? >> >> Goo replied: >> Yes. >> >> Message-ID: et> >> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ >> __________________________________________________ _______ >> Ron pointed out: >>>You also said cows are raised for 12 years specifically to become >>>PET FOOD. >> >> Goo replied: >> Some are. >> >> Message-ID: .com> >> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ >> "Dogs NEVER anticipate, nor do cats, or cattle, or >> any other animal you've ever encountered." - Goo >> >> "Animals do not experience frustration." - Goo >> >> "Darwin, a sentimental person, was projecting. He >> saw something that wasn't there. He was, in a way, >> hallucinating." - Goo >> >> "No zygotes, animals, people, or any other living thing >> benefits from coming into existence. No farm animals >> benefit from farming." - Goo >> >> "Causing animals to be born and "get to experience life" >> . . . is no mitigation at all for killing them." - Goo >> >> "the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude >> than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Goo >> >> "When considering your food choices ethically, assign >> ZERO weight to the morally empty fact that choosing to >> eat meat causes animals to be bred into existence." - Goo >> >> "I have examined the question at length, and feel >> there is only one reasonable conclusion: life, per se, >> is not a benefit." - Goo >> >> "Being born is not a benefit in any way. It can't be." - Goo >> >> "Animals cannot be or feel disappointed." - Goo >> >> "Non human animals experience neither pride nor >> disappointment. They don't have the mental ability >> to feel either." - Goo >> >> "Anticipation requires language." - Goo >> >> "No animals anticipate." - Goo >> >> "The dog didn't do what Darwin said. His statement of >> the "changes in behavior" is not reliable." - Goo >> >> "Dogs, cats, cattle, almost all animals "lower" than >> the great apes have no sense of self." - Goo >> >> "They are not aware that they can see. " - Goo >> >> "They are *not* aware that they can smell." - Goo >> >> "The fact of the matter is, with 135,000,000 cats and >> dogs in the U.S., the food to feed them simply cannot >> be "leftovers" from the animals bred to feed humans." - Goo >> >> "Ranchers . . . have no idea if a steer they raise is >> going to be used entirely for human consumption, >> entirely for animal consumption, or for some >> combination; nor do they care." - Goo >> >> "Cattle are specifically bred into existence to be >> pet food. " - Goo >> >> "I'm right about all of it." - Goo >> "I can explain myself in logical and coherent terms" - Goo >> "Why are you laughing at mental illness" - Goo >> "I'm not stupid." - Goo >> "I know exactly what I think" - Goo >> "I educated the public" - Goo >> "I haven't made any absurd claims" - Goo |
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"chico chupacabra" perverted twisted shithead from > wrote in message ...
> pearl wrote: > > > > > > > > >>><snip> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>And just to be clear, you *do* endorse bestiality: > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> *As long as the feelings are mutual*, > > > > > > > >>>>>> and there's *no coercion or force involved,* why > > > > > > > >>>>>> should you be concerned? Personally, I have no > > > > > > > >>>>>> problem with people's personal choices *as long as > > > > > > > >>>>>> they don't harm or cause distress to another*- be it > > > > > > > >>>>>> human or animal. [emphasis in original] > > > > > > > >>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/dwzj7 > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>>>From an AR point of view. What people do in the privacy of > > > > > > > > their own home may be sick as hell, but as long as they're not > > > > > > > > harming or causing distress to another - that's their business. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you endorse it. You don't condemn it. Saying it's > > > > > > > "their business" is endorsement of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saying it is sick as hell is condemnation. > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > Of course it is condemnation. > > > > > > No. > > > > Of course it is condemnation. > > You wrote yesterday, "Whether I think there should be a law against > it is another question." That CONDONES it, it doesn't condemn it. So the state of Texas condones bestiality as there's no law against it? Better get writing to your representatives to tell them to condemn it. I wrote over two years ago that I think it is a perversion, and I do. > > condemnation > > 1. an expression of strong disapproval; pronouncing > > as wrong or morally culpable > > Yet you still find it in your heart to condone it: "Whether I think there should be a law against it is another question." So the state of Texas condones bestiality as there's no law against it? Better get writing to your representatives to tell them to condemn it. I wrote over two years ago that I think it is a perversion, and I do. > > > We're not talking about any states. We're talking about YOU. You > > > endorse bestiality. > > > > No I don't. > > I. You offer qualified objections to it: > *As long as the feelings are mutual*, > and there's *no coercion or force involved,* why > should you be concerned? Personally, I have no > problem with people's personal choices *as long as > they don't harm or cause distress to another*- be it > human or animal. [emphasis in original] > lesley ("liesley") - http://tinyurl.com/dwzj7 > > II. You've condoned it as a matter of privacy: > "What people do in the privacy of their own home may be sick as hell, but as long as they're not harming or causing distress to another - that's their business." So the state of Texas condones bestiality as there's no law against it? Better get writing to your representatives to tell them to condemn it. I wrote over two years ago that I think it is a perversion, and I do. > III. You've further stated that you'd even oppose laws against it: > "Whether I think there should be a law against it is another question." So the state of Texas condones bestiality as there's no law against it? Better get writing to your representatives to tell them to condemn it. I wrote over two years ago that I think it is a perversion, and I do. > Whose side are you on, Lesley? The animal ****ers' side. On the side of responsible freedom of choice. > > And, like many, I don't believe that I've > > the right to interfere with others' choices > > Unless they want to EAT an animal instead of **** it. You have a perverted sense of right and wrong, pervert. Unless it causes harm and distress, pervert. |
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> It *doesn't* "work" as its scammers suggest. Reflexology's benefits don't extend beyond palliative results, like reducing stress or in the treatment of psychosomatic issues for which there's no underlying health problem to treat. While stress reduction *is* important, that's a much lower hurdle to clear than the "cure-all" nonsense its advocates claim for it. Reflexology has failed to live up to its hype in every double-blind study to which it's been subjected. Every single one. Again, I am not arguing with you about its merits. You did not answer my question: what happens IF and WHEN it works? What would you say to someone like me, who had severe whiplash (and I mean SEVERE) and one half an hour of reflexology cured what conventional doctors could not? I can give you the case history should you require that. In al curiosity, what if and when? |
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lesley the slut of Cork lied:
> "Leif Erikson" > wrote in message > oups.com... > > >>lesley the slut of Cork lied: > > >>>>>><...> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Or as Karen Winter put it: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I don't think I have a right to prevent people by force >>>>>>>from doing things which cause no harm to another, >>>>>>>human or animal. >>>>>> >>>>>>IOW, you don't object to humans ****ing animals. Case closed. >>>>> >>>>>What case? I told you back then that I think it is a perversion. >>>> >>>>You don't condemn it. >>> >>>Yes, I do. >> >>No: > > > I think it is a perversion. I think it is morally wrong. I condemn it. So you *don't* think it's okay for people to do it in the privacy of their own homes. Why was it so hard to get you to say that? >>>>You think people ****ing animals in the privacy >>>>of their own homes is their business. >>> >>>So apparently do all of these US states and countries: >> >>That doesn't get you off the hook for your LYING about having condemned >>it. You do *not* condemn it. > > > I told you that think it is a perversion, LIAR. That is condemnation. > > >>Condemning it would be saying it's >>unequivocally wrong and that no one should do it, anywhere or any >>time. You won't do that; your phony sense of "tolerance" won't let >>you. > > > What is -your- objection to it? Unlike me, you don't care about animals, False. The difference is, I don't make them the object of an irrational, misguided, hypocritical "care" that isn't really a care for them at all, but rather is a concern for your own ego. > - so it must be that you think it is debasing to the human involved. Correct. >>You snipped - unethically - my comment that you're not willing to grant >>meat eaters the same free pass. You and that lying **** Karen Winter >>are both fascists. > > > You're the one wanting to CONTROL every aspect of people's lives. False. YOU and that other fascist **** Karen Winter are the ones who want to control every aspect of people's lives, right down to what they eat. |
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"chico chupacabra" continued his lies and > wrote in message ...
> pearl wrote: > > > > the same way you have eating meat. Why is that, > > >Why do you find it wrong to eat an animal's flesh but permissible > > > to sexually abuse it? > > > > Because it might not cause harm or distress as meat eating does. > > "Might not"?! Meat that's being eaten doesn't feel a thing. The animal it was once a part of did. > I'm not so sure animals get off, so to speak, on being sexually assaulted by humans or even by being conditioned to be receptive to sexual assault. You don't know that, and neither do I. You excuse it when it serves your needs. > > > > Whether I think there should be a law against it is another question. > > > > > > You keep confirming the fact that you're pro-bestiality. > > > > No. > > Yes. No. You keep confirming that you're a desperate rabid liar. > I. You offer only qualified objections to it: I have stated that it is a perversion. That is condemnation. > *As long as the feelings are mutual*, > and there's *no coercion or force involved,* why > should you be concerned? Personally, I have no > problem with people's personal choices *as long as > they don't harm or cause distress to another*- be it > human or animal. [emphasis in original] > lesley ("liesley") - http://tinyurl.com/dwzj7 > > II. You've condoned it as a matter of privacy: I have stated that it is a perversion. That is condemnation. > "What people do in the privacy of their own home may be sick as hell, but as long as they're not harming or causing distress to another - that's their business." So the state of Texas condones bestiality as there's no law against it? Better get writing to your representatives to tell them to condemn it. > III. You've further stated that you'd even oppose laws against it: > "Whether I think there should be a law against it is another question." So the state of Texas condones bestiality as there's no law against it? Better get writing to your representatives to tell them to condemn it. > Whose side are you on, Lesley? The animal ****ers' side. On the side of responsible freedom of choice. |
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> Misterina wrote: > > > > Not as authorities, per se, but their show BULLSHIT exposes frauds and > > pseudoscience and other irrational nonsense. "Alternative medicine" is > > bullshit. > > > > What happens if and when it works? > > It *doesn't* "work" Kidney function * Results of study: Kidney function improves after the application of reflexology work. "Using colour (sic) Doppler sonography blood flow changes of the right kidney during foot reflexology were determine in a placebo-controlled, double blind, randomised (sic) study. 32 healthy young adults (17 women, 15 men) were randomly assigned to the verum or placebo group. The verum group received foot reflexology at zones corresponding to the right kidney, the placebo group was treated on other foot zones. Before, during and after foot reflexology, the blood flow of three vessels of the right kidney was measured using colour Doppler sonography. Systolic peak velocity and end diastolic peak velocity was measured in cm/s, and the resistive index a parameter of the vascular resistance, was calculated. The resistive index in the verum group showed a highly significant decrease (p</=0.001) during and an increase (p=0.001) after foot reflexology. There was no difference between men and women and no difference between smokers and non-smokers. Verum and placebo groups significantly differed concerning alterations of the restive index, both between the measuring points before versus during foot reflexology (p=0.002) and those during versus after reflexology (p=0.031). The significant decrease of the resistive index during foot reflexology in the verum (treatment) group indicates a decrease of flow resistance in the renal vessels and an increase of renal blood flow. These findings support the hypothesis that organ-associate foot reflexology is effective in changing renal blood flow during therapy." (PMID: 14060981, UI: 99392031)Sudmeier, I., Bodner, G., Egger, I., Mur, E., Ulmer, H. and Herold, M. (Universitatsklinik fur Innere Medizin, Inssbruk, Austria) "Anderung der nierendurchblutung durch organassoziierte reflexzontherapie am fuss gemussen mit farbkodierter doppler-sonograhpie," Forsch Komplementarmed 1999, Jum;6(3):129-34 (PMID: 14060981, UI: 99392031) ' 'Brief Descriptions: Reflexology Research & Case Studies Barbara and Kevin Kunz, Reflexology Research Project Directory *Controlled study Absenteeism/Employee morale Acne *Alzheimer's *Amenorrhea Anemia Angina Arteriosclerosis Arthritis Asthma Biofeedback assessment Birthing Bronchitis *Cancer *Cardio-vascular system (baroreceptor reflex sensitivity, blood pressure and sinus arrhythmia) *Cerebral palsy *Cervical spondylosis Chest pain Children / mentally retarded *Constipation *Coronary heart disease *Diabetes Diagnosis Dysmenorrhea *Dyspepsia Ear disorders in children Eczema Edema in Pregnancy Emotional needs Encopresis Enuresis Fatigue *Free radicals Headache Hospice / palliative care *Hyperlipimia * Impotence *Infantile pneumonia Infertility Irritable bowel syndrome *Kidney function *Kidney and ureter stones *Leukopenia *Menopause Mental health Migraine headache *Milk secretion in new mothers Multiple sclerosis *Neurodermatitis Nervous exhaustion Pain Pain (kidney & ureter stones) Pain of herniated disc Pain (post surgical) Pain (shoulder) Paralysis *Post surgical recovery *Premenstrual syndrome *Prostate (hyperplasia) Prostate (hypertrophy - enlarged) Psoriasis Rhinitis *Sexual dysfunction *Sinusitis Stroke *Toothache *Urinary tract stones *Urinary tract infection *Uroschesis (retention of urine) Absenteeism/Employee morale/Specific health benefits/General health benefits * Reflexology work saved a Danish employer US$3,300 a month in fewer sick days for employees in addition to improving the work environment. ". Reflexology had been used to help the staff of the Scandinavian Airline's Cargo Department. They employ approximately 60 people and handle 2.4 million documents a year. Here is a statement made by the employees: " 'Our work is done through computers and people spending many hours in a chair doing their work, resulting in aching shoulders and back. Since we employed our reflexologist . we have experienced a substantial decrease of people being ill and away from work. The approximate amount is 20,000 Danish kroner a month (US$3,300). It has not only a physical effect, but also a psychological effect. There is a much better atmosphere in the department, because the employees feel there is something being done about their problems... Before we used to stay at home when ill, now we see the staff go to work anyway because they know they can get a treatment and feel better.'" Eriksen, Leila, Reflexology: Research and Effect Evaluation in Denmark, Danish Reflexologists Association, Denmark, August 1995, pp. 15 - 16 .. "Over a 2 year period a reflexologist employed by the Telecom firm of Taastrup, Denmark treated 156 employees who experienced positive effects on back pains, the musculo-skeletal system, headache, migraine, stomach/intestinal sufferings. Sickness leave was reduced." (http://www.fdz-intranet.dk/english/research/results.htm) Eriksen, Leila, "A Close-up View on Company Reflexology," Danish Reflexologists Association Research Committee Report, Feb., 1995 .. "Three reflexologists employed by the municipality treated 143 patients over a 6 month period. 79% were either cured or helped with their primary health problem. 57% were helped with secondary problems. 30% became more satified with their jobs and 92% wanted to continue reflexology." (http://www.fdz-intranet.dk/english/research/results.htm) Kristensen, Karin, Rasmussen, Inge, and Møller, Elsebeth, "Take Good Care of Your Fellow Employees, Reflexology as personnel care in the Århus District Corporation," Danish Reflexologists Association Research Committee Report, Feb., 1995 (Originally published in Zonetherapeuten, (The FDZ Journal), No. 1, 1996) .. "Staff of the municipality of Ishoj was treated by a reflexologist. During 6 month the municipality saved DKK 215,00 as absenteeism was reduced with 2,500 hours as compared to the previous year." (http://www.fdzintranet.dk/english/research/results.htm) Eriksen, Leila, "Municipal Reflexology," Danish Reflexologists Association Research Committee Report, Feb., 1995 .. "In a three year peiod 235 employees were treated for a variety of health problems. 170 reported a good effect. 60 had some effect whereas 5 had no effect. Absenteeism was reduced from 11.4 to 8.5 days per person per year, implying savings of more than 1 million Danish kroner." (http://www.fdz-intranet.dk/english/research/results.htm) Madsen, Synnøve and Andersen, Jette, "Postal Reflexology," Danish Reflexologists Association Research Committee Report, Feb., 1995 .. "A report on Company Reflexology as appled in the Danish municipality of Svendborg. Involves 52 female employees. 97.5% had positive effects on their primary ailments. 77.5% on secondary problems. Medicine intake was reduce with 27.5% and absenteeism with 65.9%" (http://www.fdz-intranet.dk/english/research/results.htm) Terp, Hanne, "Municipal Reflexology in Svendborg, A study of the effect of reflexology treatment in the eastern district of the municipality. Acne Thirty eight cases of acne were ages 18 to 29. All were treated with a daily reflexology session for 10 days as a course of treatment. All were successfully cured by foot reflexotherapy work: 5 after 3 courses, 26 after 4 courses, 4 after 5 courses and 3 after 6 courses. Dong Dahai, Xiang Xiangdong, Shi Yanling, Kong Zhifeng, Dong Congjun, "Treatment of 38 Cases of Acne with Foot Reflexotherapy," 1998 China Reflexology Symposium Report, China Reflexology Association, Beijing, pp. 62-6 Alzheimer's Alzheimer's patients saw a reduction in body stiffness and arthritis as well as alleviation of the illness's symptoms of restlessness and wandering following reflexology work. "Old age converts to the New Age," Daily Mail (England), September 14, 1995 Amenorrhea * Ninety-five cases of amenorrhea were divided into two groups, a foot reflex therapy treatment group of 50 and a control group of 45 with participants using traditional Chinese medicine tablets. The effective rate of the foot reflex therapy group was 96% compared to the control group rate of 33%. Xiu-hua, Xu, "Analysis of 50 Cases of Amenorrhea Treated by Foot Reflex Therapy," (19)96 Beijing International Reflexology Conference (Report), China Preventive Medical Association and the Chinese Society of Reflexology, Beijing, 1996, p. 36 Anemia A forty-six year-old woman with megaloblastic anemia was treated with foot reflexology. At the start of foot reflexology treatment her WBC/mm measured 4200 and hemoglobin 5.5. After three months of foot reflexology treatment she could walk. WBC/mm measured 8200 and hemoglobin measured 11.0. Yong-gui, Yang, "A Case Report on Treatment of Megaloblastic Anemia with Paraplegia by Foot Reflexology," 1994 China Reflexology Symposium Report, China Reflexology Association, Beijing, p. 48 (Worker's Hospital of Zhuhai Chentang Enterprise, Tianjin, China) ...................' http://www.reflexology-research.com/abstracts.htm |
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> "chico chupacabra" > wrote in message ... > > >>Chelsea foot-rubbing harlot wrote: > > > Lies # 1, 2 and 3. > > >>>>>>>>>Why do you claim I am not qualified to know? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Because you never studied this the relevant disciplines in science. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I have. >>>>>> >>>>>>You have not, Karen. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>What makes you think that you are qualified to know that? >>>> >>>>She has stated that she studied history at university. >>>> Then she got a job shampooing cats. She hasn't >>>>studied biology, zoology, anatomy or any other science >>>>at the university level. Neither have you. >>> >>> >>>You don't know what we've studied. >> >>Uh huh. You failed out of engineering school and ended up learning >>"reflexology" from new age hippie conmen: > > > Lie #4. > > >> I am a qualified Reflexologist and received my training in >> >> London. >> http://tinyurl.com/mh7a >> >>Reflexology is pseudoscience: >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflexo...cientific_view >> > > BULLSHIT "Reflexology" is bullshit. Correct. Scientists and medical professionals consider reflexology to be a pseudoscience; there are no reliable scientific studies proving its effectiveness as a medical treatment, or that there is any form of link between specific areas of the feet and the various organs of the body. Furthermore, the 'crystalline structures' rationale is unsustained by current understanding of physiology. There is no scientific evidence that healing can be achieved by it or that the claimed "energies" and their supposed pathways through the body even exist. However, research shows the relaxing and pleasurable nature of massage has many medical benefits. Prominent skeptic Stephen Barrett, M.D., contends there is no scientific support for any of the theories of Reflexology, and refers to several scientific studies that have shown Reflexology is no better than random chance detecting medical problems. In a paper titled "Reflexology: A Closer Look", Dr. Barrett concludes: "Reflexology is based on an absurd theory... Claims that reflexology is effective for diagnosing or treating disease should be ignored. Such claims could lead to delay of necessary medical care..." [2] William T. Jarvis, Ph.D. says: "Reflexology has almost no potential for direct harm, but its ability to mislead well-meaning people into believing that it can be used for screening for health problems, or that it has real therapeutic value could lead to serious problems..." This is the best: On the TV programm Bullshit!, Penn Jillette compared reflexology to hitting the tires of your car in order to change the sparkplugs. There is ZERO scientific evidence to support the fabulous claims of the quack medicine fraudsters called "reflexologists". |
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>>Not as authorities, per se, but their show BULLSHIT exposes frauds and >>pseudoscience and other irrational nonsense. "Alternative medicine" is >>bullshit. > > What happens if and when it works? It doesn't. |
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"Leif Erikson" > wrote in message ink.net...
> pearl wrote: > > > > > >>>>>><...> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Or as Glorfindel put it: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>I don't think I have a right to prevent people by force > >>>>>>>from doing things which cause no harm to another, > >>>>>>>human or animal. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>IOW, you don't object to humans ****ing animals. Case closed. > >>>>> > >>>>>What case? I told you back then that I think it is a perversion. > >>>> > >>>>You don't condemn it. > >>> > >>>Yes, I do. > >> > >>No: > > > > > > I think it is a perversion. I think it is morally wrong. I condemn it. > > So you *don't* think it's okay for people to do it in > the privacy of their own homes. Why was it so hard to > get you to say that? I told you that I think it is a perversion, i.e wrong, over two years ago. You have been lying about me since. > >>>>You think people ****ing animals in the privacy > >>>>of their own homes is their business. > >>> > >>>So apparently do all of these US states and countries: > >> > >>That doesn't get you off the hook for your LYING about having condemned > >>it. You do *not* condemn it. > > > > > > I told you that think it is a perversion, LIAR. That is condemnation. > > > > > >>Condemning it would be saying it's > >>unequivocally wrong and that no one should do it, anywhere or any > >>time. You won't do that; your phony sense of "tolerance" won't let > >>you. > > > > > > What is -your- objection to it? Unlike me, you don't care about animals, > > False. True. You eat meat. > The difference is, I don't make them the object > of an irrational, misguided, hypocritical "care" that > isn't really a care for them at all, but rather is a > concern for your own ego. Projection. > > - so it must be that you think it is debasing to the human involved. > > Correct. Well, that's absolutely incredible coming from the most foul lowlife on usenet! > >>You snipped - unethically - my comment that you're not willing to grant > >>meat eaters the same free pass. You and that lying **** Karen Winter > >>are both fascists. > > > > > > You're the one wanting to CONTROL every aspect of people's lives. > > False. Not false. You want to impose on people what they may or may not do. |
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"Leif Erikson" > wrote in message ink.net... > pearl wrote: > > > "chico chupacabra" > wrote in message ... > >>Reflexology is pseudoscience: > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflexo...cientific_view > >> > > > > BULLSHIT > > "Reflexology" is bullshit. Correct. False, BSer. 'Kidney function * Results of study: Kidney function improves after the application of reflexology work. "Using colour (sic) Doppler sonography blood flow changes of the right kidney during foot reflexology were determine in a placebo-controlled, double blind, randomised (sic) study. 32 healthy young adults (17 women, 15 men) were randomly assigned to the verum or placebo group. The verum group received foot reflexology at zones corresponding to the right kidney, the placebo group was treated on other foot zones. Before, during and after foot reflexology, the blood flow of three vessels of the right kidney was measured using colour Doppler sonography. Systolic peak velocity and end diastolic peak velocity was measured in cm/s, and the resistive index a parameter of the vascular resistance, was calculated. The resistive index in the verum group showed a highly significant decrease (p</=0.001) during and an increase (p=0.001) after foot reflexology. There was no difference between men and women and no difference between smokers and non-smokers. Verum and placebo groups significantly differed concerning alterations of the restive index, both between the measuring points before versus during foot reflexology (p=0.002) and those during versus after reflexology (p=0.031). The significant decrease of the resistive index during foot reflexology in the verum (treatment) group indicates a decrease of flow resistance in the renal vessels and an increase of renal blood flow. These findings support the hypothesis that organ-associate foot reflexology is effective in changing renal blood flow during therapy." (PMID: 14060981, UI: 99392031)Sudmeier, I., Bodner, G., Egger, I., Mur, E., Ulmer, H. and Herold, M. (Universitatsklinik fur Innere Medizin, Inssbruk, Austria) "Anderung der nierendurchblutung durch organassoziierte reflexzontherapie am fuss gemussen mit farbkodierter doppler-sonograhpie," Forsch Komplementarmed 1999, Jum;6(3):129-34 (PMID: 14060981, UI: 99392031) ' 'Brief Descriptions: Reflexology Research & Case Studies Barbara and Kevin Kunz, Reflexology Research Project Directory *Controlled study Absenteeism/Employee morale Acne *Alzheimer's *Amenorrhea Anemia Angina Arteriosclerosis Arthritis Asthma Biofeedback assessment Birthing Bronchitis *Cancer *Cardio-vascular system (baroreceptor reflex sensitivity, blood pressure and sinus arrhythmia) *Cerebral palsy *Cervical spondylosis Chest pain Children / mentally retarded *Constipation *Coronary heart disease *Diabetes Diagnosis Dysmenorrhea *Dyspepsia Ear disorders in children Eczema Edema in Pregnancy Emotional needs Encopresis Enuresis Fatigue *Free radicals Headache Hospice / palliative care *Hyperlipimia * Impotence *Infantile pneumonia Infertility Irritable bowel syndrome *Kidney function *Kidney and ureter stones *Leukopenia *Menopause Mental health Migraine headache *Milk secretion in new mothers Multiple sclerosis *Neurodermatitis Nervous exhaustion Pain Pain (kidney & ureter stones) Pain of herniated disc Pain (post surgical) Pain (shoulder) Paralysis *Post surgical recovery *Premenstrual syndrome *Prostate (hyperplasia) Prostate (hypertrophy - enlarged) Psoriasis Rhinitis *Sexual dysfunction *Sinusitis Stroke *Toothache *Urinary tract stones *Urinary tract infection *Uroschesis (retention of urine) Absenteeism/Employee morale/Specific health benefits/General health benefits * Reflexology work saved a Danish employer US$3,300 a month in fewer sick days for employees in addition to improving the work environment. ". Reflexology had been used to help the staff of the Scandinavian Airline's Cargo Department. They employ approximately 60 people and handle 2.4 million documents a year. Here is a statement made by the employees: " 'Our work is done through computers and people spending many hours in a chair doing their work, resulting in aching shoulders and back. Since we employed our reflexologist . we have experienced a substantial decrease of people being ill and away from work. The approximate amount is 20,000 Danish kroner a month (US$3,300). It has not only a physical effect, but also a psychological effect. There is a much better atmosphere in the department, because the employees feel there is something being done about their problems... Before we used to stay at home when ill, now we see the staff go to work anyway because they know they can get a treatment and feel better.'" Eriksen, Leila, Reflexology: Research and Effect Evaluation in Denmark, Danish Reflexologists Association, Denmark, August 1995, pp. 15 - 16 .. "Over a 2 year period a reflexologist employed by the Telecom firm of Taastrup, Denmark treated 156 employees who experienced positive effects on back pains, the musculo-skeletal system, headache, migraine, stomach/intestinal sufferings. Sickness leave was reduced." (http://www.fdz-intranet.dk/english/research/results.htm) Eriksen, Leila, "A Close-up View on Company Reflexology," Danish Reflexologists Association Research Committee Report, Feb., 1995 .. "Three reflexologists employed by the municipality treated 143 patients over a 6 month period. 79% were either cured or helped with their primary health problem. 57% were helped with secondary problems. 30% became more satified with their jobs and 92% wanted to continue reflexology." (http://www.fdz-intranet.dk/english/research/results.htm) Kristensen, Karin, Rasmussen, Inge, and Møller, Elsebeth, "Take Good Care of Your Fellow Employees, Reflexology as personnel care in the Århus District Corporation," Danish Reflexologists Association Research Committee Report, Feb., 1995 (Originally published in Zonetherapeuten, (The FDZ Journal), No. 1, 1996) .. "Staff of the municipality of Ishoj was treated by a reflexologist. During 6 month the municipality saved DKK 215,00 as absenteeism was reduced with 2,500 hours as compared to the previous year." (http://www.fdzintranet.dk/english/research/results.htm) Eriksen, Leila, "Municipal Reflexology," Danish Reflexologists Association Research Committee Report, Feb., 1995 .. "In a three year peiod 235 employees were treated for a variety of health problems. 170 reported a good effect. 60 had some effect whereas 5 had no effect. Absenteeism was reduced from 11.4 to 8.5 days per person per year, implying savings of more than 1 million Danish kroner." (http://www.fdz-intranet.dk/english/research/results.htm) Madsen, Synnøve and Andersen, Jette, "Postal Reflexology," Danish Reflexologists Association Research Committee Report, Feb., 1995 .. "A report on Company Reflexology as appled in the Danish municipality of Svendborg. Involves 52 female employees. 97.5% had positive effects on their primary ailments. 77.5% on secondary problems. Medicine intake was reduce with 27.5% and absenteeism with 65.9%" (http://www.fdz-intranet.dk/english/research/results.htm) Terp, Hanne, "Municipal Reflexology in Svendborg, A study of the effect of reflexology treatment in the eastern district of the municipality. Acne Thirty eight cases of acne were ages 18 to 29. All were treated with a daily reflexology session for 10 days as a course of treatment. All were successfully cured by foot reflexotherapy work: 5 after 3 courses, 26 after 4 courses, 4 after 5 courses and 3 after 6 courses. Dong Dahai, Xiang Xiangdong, Shi Yanling, Kong Zhifeng, Dong Congjun, "Treatment of 38 Cases of Acne with Foot Reflexotherapy," 1998 China Reflexology Symposium Report, China Reflexology Association, Beijing, pp. 62-6 Alzheimer's Alzheimer's patients saw a reduction in body stiffness and arthritis as well as alleviation of the illness's symptoms of restlessness and wandering following reflexology work. "Old age converts to the New Age," Daily Mail (England), September 14, 1995 Amenorrhea * Ninety-five cases of amenorrhea were divided into two groups, a foot reflex therapy treatment group of 50 and a control group of 45 with participants using traditional Chinese medicine tablets. The effective rate of the foot reflex therapy group was 96% compared to the control group rate of 33%. Xiu-hua, Xu, "Analysis of 50 Cases of Amenorrhea Treated by Foot Reflex Therapy," (19)96 Beijing International Reflexology Conference (Report), China Preventive Medical Association and the Chinese Society of Reflexology, Beijing, 1996, p. 36 Anemia A forty-six year-old woman with megaloblastic anemia was treated with foot reflexology. At the start of foot reflexology treatment her WBC/mm measured 4200 and hemoglobin 5.5. After three months of foot reflexology treatment she could walk. WBC/mm measured 8200 and hemoglobin measured 11.0. Yong-gui, Yang, "A Case Report on Treatment of Megaloblastic Anemia with Paraplegia by Foot Reflexology," 1994 China Reflexology Symposium Report, China Reflexology Association, Beijing, p. 48 (Worker's Hospital of Zhuhai Chentang Enterprise, Tianjin, China) ...................' http://www.reflexology-research.com/abstracts.htm |
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"Leif Erikson" > wrote in message ink.net...
> Misterina wrote: > > >>Not as authorities, per se, but their show BULLSHIT exposes frauds and > >>pseudoscience and other irrational nonsense. "Alternative medicine" is > >>bullshit. > > > > What happens if and when it works? > > It doesn't. It most certainly does. 'Kidney function * Results of study: Kidney function improves after the application of reflexology work. "Using colour (sic) Doppler sonography blood flow changes of the right kidney during foot reflexology were determine in a placebo-controlled, double blind, randomised (sic) study. 32 healthy young adults (17 women, 15 men) were randomly assigned to the verum or placebo group. The verum group received foot reflexology at zones corresponding to the right kidney, the placebo group was treated on other foot zones. Before, during and after foot reflexology, the blood flow of three vessels of the right kidney was measured using colour Doppler sonography. Systolic peak velocity and end diastolic peak velocity was measured in cm/s, and the resistive index a parameter of the vascular resistance, was calculated. The resistive index in the verum group showed a highly significant decrease (p</=0.001) during and an increase (p=0.001) after foot reflexology. There was no difference between men and women and no difference between smokers and non-smokers. Verum and placebo groups significantly differed concerning alterations of the restive index, both between the measuring points before versus during foot reflexology (p=0.002) and those during versus after reflexology (p=0.031). The significant decrease of the resistive index during foot reflexology in the verum (treatment) group indicates a decrease of flow resistance in the renal vessels and an increase of renal blood flow. These findings support the hypothesis that organ-associate foot reflexology is effective in changing renal blood flow during therapy." (PMID: 14060981, UI: 99392031)Sudmeier, I., Bodner, G., Egger, I., Mur, E., Ulmer, H. and Herold, M. (Universitatsklinik fur Innere Medizin, Inssbruk, Austria) "Anderung der nierendurchblutung durch organassoziierte reflexzontherapie am fuss gemussen mit farbkodierter doppler-sonograhpie," Forsch Komplementarmed 1999, Jum;6(3):129-34 (PMID: 14060981, UI: 99392031) ' 'Brief Descriptions: Reflexology Research & Case Studies Barbara and Kevin Kunz, Reflexology Research Project Directory *Controlled study Absenteeism/Employee morale Acne *Alzheimer's *Amenorrhea Anemia Angina Arteriosclerosis Arthritis Asthma Biofeedback assessment Birthing Bronchitis *Cancer *Cardio-vascular system (baroreceptor reflex sensitivity, blood pressure and sinus arrhythmia) *Cerebral palsy *Cervical spondylosis Chest pain Children / mentally retarded *Constipation *Coronary heart disease *Diabetes Diagnosis Dysmenorrhea *Dyspepsia Ear disorders in children Eczema Edema in Pregnancy Emotional needs Encopresis Enuresis Fatigue *Free radicals Headache Hospice / palliative care *Hyperlipimia * Impotence *Infantile pneumonia Infertility Irritable bowel syndrome *Kidney function *Kidney and ureter stones *Leukopenia *Menopause Mental health Migraine headache *Milk secretion in new mothers Multiple sclerosis *Neurodermatitis Nervous exhaustion Pain Pain (kidney & ureter stones) Pain of herniated disc Pain (post surgical) Pain (shoulder) Paralysis *Post surgical recovery *Premenstrual syndrome *Prostate (hyperplasia) Prostate (hypertrophy - enlarged) Psoriasis Rhinitis *Sexual dysfunction *Sinusitis Stroke *Toothache *Urinary tract stones *Urinary tract infection *Uroschesis (retention of urine) Absenteeism/Employee morale/Specific health benefits/General health benefits * Reflexology work saved a Danish employer US$3,300 a month in fewer sick days for employees in addition to improving the work environment. ". Reflexology had been used to help the staff of the Scandinavian Airline's Cargo Department. They employ approximately 60 people and handle 2.4 million documents a year. Here is a statement made by the employees: " 'Our work is done through computers and people spending many hours in a chair doing their work, resulting in aching shoulders and back. Since we employed our reflexologist . we have experienced a substantial decrease of people being ill and away from work. The approximate amount is 20,000 Danish kroner a month (US$3,300). It has not only a physical effect, but also a psychological effect. There is a much better atmosphere in the department, because the employees feel there is something being done about their problems... Before we used to stay at home when ill, now we see the staff go to work anyway because they know they can get a treatment and feel better.'" Eriksen, Leila, Reflexology: Research and Effect Evaluation in Denmark, Danish Reflexologists Association, Denmark, August 1995, pp. 15 - 16 .. "Over a 2 year period a reflexologist employed by the Telecom firm of Taastrup, Denmark treated 156 employees who experienced positive effects on back pains, the musculo-skeletal system, headache, migraine, stomach/intestinal sufferings. Sickness leave was reduced." (http://www.fdz-intranet.dk/english/research/results.htm) Eriksen, Leila, "A Close-up View on Company Reflexology," Danish Reflexologists Association Research Committee Report, Feb., 1995 .. "Three reflexologists employed by the municipality treated 143 patients over a 6 month period. 79% were either cured or helped with their primary health problem. 57% were helped with secondary problems. 30% became more satified with their jobs and 92% wanted to continue reflexology." (http://www.fdz-intranet.dk/english/research/results.htm) Kristensen, Karin, Rasmussen, Inge, and Møller, Elsebeth, "Take Good Care of Your Fellow Employees, Reflexology as personnel care in the Århus District Corporation," Danish Reflexologists Association Research Committee Report, Feb., 1995 (Originally published in Zonetherapeuten, (The FDZ Journal), No. 1, 1996) .. "Staff of the municipality of Ishoj was treated by a reflexologist. During 6 month the municipality saved DKK 215,00 as absenteeism was reduced with 2,500 hours as compared to the previous year." (http://www.fdzintranet.dk/english/research/results.htm) Eriksen, Leila, "Municipal Reflexology," Danish Reflexologists Association Research Committee Report, Feb., 1995 .. "In a three year peiod 235 employees were treated for a variety of health problems. 170 reported a good effect. 60 had some effect whereas 5 had no effect. Absenteeism was reduced from 11.4 to 8.5 days per person per year, implying savings of more than 1 million Danish kroner." (http://www.fdz-intranet.dk/english/research/results.htm) Madsen, Synnøve and Andersen, Jette, "Postal Reflexology," Danish Reflexologists Association Research Committee Report, Feb., 1995 .. "A report on Company Reflexology as appled in the Danish municipality of Svendborg. Involves 52 female employees. 97.5% had positive effects on their primary ailments. 77.5% on secondary problems. Medicine intake was reduce with 27.5% and absenteeism with 65.9%" (http://www.fdz-intranet.dk/english/research/results.htm) Terp, Hanne, "Municipal Reflexology in Svendborg, A study of the effect of reflexology treatment in the eastern district of the municipality. Acne Thirty eight cases of acne were ages 18 to 29. All were treated with a daily reflexology session for 10 days as a course of treatment. All were successfully cured by foot reflexotherapy work: 5 after 3 courses, 26 after 4 courses, 4 after 5 courses and 3 after 6 courses. Dong Dahai, Xiang Xiangdong, Shi Yanling, Kong Zhifeng, Dong Congjun, "Treatment of 38 Cases of Acne with Foot Reflexotherapy," 1998 China Reflexology Symposium Report, China Reflexology Association, Beijing, pp. 62-6 Alzheimer's Alzheimer's patients saw a reduction in body stiffness and arthritis as well as alleviation of the illness's symptoms of restlessness and wandering following reflexology work. "Old age converts to the New Age," Daily Mail (England), September 14, 1995 Amenorrhea * Ninety-five cases of amenorrhea were divided into two groups, a foot reflex therapy treatment group of 50 and a control group of 45 with participants using traditional Chinese medicine tablets. The effective rate of the foot reflex therapy group was 96% compared to the control group rate of 33%. Xiu-hua, Xu, "Analysis of 50 Cases of Amenorrhea Treated by Foot Reflex Therapy," (19)96 Beijing International Reflexology Conference (Report), China Preventive Medical Association and the Chinese Society of Reflexology, Beijing, 1996, p. 36 Anemia A forty-six year-old woman with megaloblastic anemia was treated with foot reflexology. At the start of foot reflexology treatment her WBC/mm measured 4200 and hemoglobin 5.5. After three months of foot reflexology treatment she could walk. WBC/mm measured 8200 and hemoglobin measured 11.0. Yong-gui, Yang, "A Case Report on Treatment of Megaloblastic Anemia with Paraplegia by Foot Reflexology," 1994 China Reflexology Symposium Report, China Reflexology Association, Beijing, p. 48 (Worker's Hospital of Zhuhai Chentang Enterprise, Tianjin, China) ...................' http://www.reflexology-research.com/abstracts.htm |
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"chico chupacabra" an indefensible fake > wrote in message ... > pearl wrote: > > > > > > > You don't know what we've studied. > > > > > > > > > > Uh huh. You failed out of engineering school and ended up learning > > > > > "reflexology" from new age hippie conmen: > > > > > > > > > > I am a qualified Reflexologist and received my training in > > > > > > > > > > London. > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/mh7a > > > > > > > > > > Reflexology is pseudoscience: > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflexo...cientific_view > > > > > > > > BULLSHIT > > > > > > Reflexology = bullshit. Penn and Teller were spot on. > > > > You citing illusionists as authorities on it? What a joke! > > Not as authorities, per se, but their show BULLSHIT exposes frauds and pseudoscience and other irrational nonsense. "Alternative medicine" is bullshit. They're BULLSHIT, and so are you. 'Kidney function * Results of study: Kidney function improves after the application of reflexology work. "Using colour (sic) Doppler sonography blood flow changes of the right kidney during foot reflexology were determine in a placebo-controlled, double blind, randomised (sic) study. 32 healthy young adults (17 women, 15 men) were randomly assigned to the verum or placebo group. The verum group received foot reflexology at zones corresponding to the right kidney, the placebo group was treated on other foot zones. Before, during and after foot reflexology, the blood flow of three vessels of the right kidney was measured using colour Doppler sonography. Systolic peak velocity and end diastolic peak velocity was measured in cm/s, and the resistive index a parameter of the vascular resistance, was calculated. The resistive index in the verum group showed a highly significant decrease (p</=0.001) during and an increase (p=0.001) after foot reflexology. There was no difference between men and women and no difference between smokers and non-smokers. Verum and placebo groups significantly differed concerning alterations of the restive index, both between the measuring points before versus during foot reflexology (p=0.002) and those during versus after reflexology (p=0.031). The significant decrease of the resistive index during foot reflexology in the verum (treatment) group indicates a decrease of flow resistance in the renal vessels and an increase of renal blood flow. These findings support the hypothesis that organ-associate foot reflexology is effective in changing renal blood flow during therapy." (PMID: 14060981, UI: 99392031)Sudmeier, I., Bodner, G., Egger, I., Mur, E., Ulmer, H. and Herold, M. (Universitatsklinik fur Innere Medizin, Inssbruk, Austria) "Anderung der nierendurchblutung durch organassoziierte reflexzontherapie am fuss gemussen mit farbkodierter doppler-sonograhpie," Forsch Komplementarmed 1999, Jum;6(3):129-34 (PMID: 14060981, UI: 99392031) ' 'Brief Descriptions: Reflexology Research & Case Studies Barbara and Kevin Kunz, Reflexology Research Project Directory *Controlled study Absenteeism/Employee morale Acne *Alzheimer's *Amenorrhea Anemia Angina Arteriosclerosis Arthritis Asthma Biofeedback assessment Birthing Bronchitis *Cancer *Cardio-vascular system (baroreceptor reflex sensitivity, blood pressure and sinus arrhythmia) *Cerebral palsy *Cervical spondylosis Chest pain Children / mentally retarded *Constipation *Coronary heart disease *Diabetes Diagnosis Dysmenorrhea *Dyspepsia Ear disorders in children Eczema Edema in Pregnancy Emotional needs Encopresis Enuresis Fatigue *Free radicals Headache Hospice / palliative care *Hyperlipimia * Impotence *Infantile pneumonia Infertility Irritable bowel syndrome *Kidney function *Kidney and ureter stones *Leukopenia *Menopause Mental health Migraine headache *Milk secretion in new mothers Multiple sclerosis *Neurodermatitis Nervous exhaustion Pain Pain (kidney & ureter stones) Pain of herniated disc Pain (post surgical) Pain (shoulder) Paralysis *Post surgical recovery *Premenstrual syndrome *Prostate (hyperplasia) Prostate (hypertrophy - enlarged) Psoriasis Rhinitis *Sexual dysfunction *Sinusitis Stroke *Toothache *Urinary tract stones *Urinary tract infection *Uroschesis (retention of urine) Absenteeism/Employee morale/Specific health benefits/General health benefits * Reflexology work saved a Danish employer US$3,300 a month in fewer sick days for employees in addition to improving the work environment. ". Reflexology had been used to help the staff of the Scandinavian Airline's Cargo Department. They employ approximately 60 people and handle 2.4 million documents a year. Here is a statement made by the employees: " 'Our work is done through computers and people spending many hours in a chair doing their work, resulting in aching shoulders and back. Since we employed our reflexologist . we have experienced a substantial decrease of people being ill and away from work. The approximate amount is 20,000 Danish kroner a month (US$3,300). It has not only a physical effect, but also a psychological effect. There is a much better atmosphere in the department, because the employees feel there is something being done about their problems... Before we used to stay at home when ill, now we see the staff go to work anyway because they know they can get a treatment and feel better.'" Eriksen, Leila, Reflexology: Research and Effect Evaluation in Denmark, Danish Reflexologists Association, Denmark, August 1995, pp. 15 - 16 .. "Over a 2 year period a reflexologist employed by the Telecom firm of Taastrup, Denmark treated 156 employees who experienced positive effects on back pains, the musculo-skeletal system, headache, migraine, stomach/intestinal sufferings. Sickness leave was reduced." (http://www.fdz-intranet.dk/english/research/results.htm) Eriksen, Leila, "A Close-up View on Company Reflexology," Danish Reflexologists Association Research Committee Report, Feb., 1995 .. "Three reflexologists employed by the municipality treated 143 patients over a 6 month period. 79% were either cured or helped with their primary health problem. 57% were helped with secondary problems. 30% became more satified with their jobs and 92% wanted to continue reflexology." (http://www.fdz-intranet.dk/english/research/results.htm) Kristensen, Karin, Rasmussen, Inge, and Møller, Elsebeth, "Take Good Care of Your Fellow Employees, Reflexology as personnel care in the Århus District Corporation," Danish Reflexologists Association Research Committee Report, Feb., 1995 (Originally published in Zonetherapeuten, (The FDZ Journal), No. 1, 1996) .. "Staff of the municipality of Ishoj was treated by a reflexologist. During 6 month the municipality saved DKK 215,00 as absenteeism was reduced with 2,500 hours as compared to the previous year." (http://www.fdzintranet.dk/english/research/results.htm) Eriksen, Leila, "Municipal Reflexology," Danish Reflexologists Association Research Committee Report, Feb., 1995 .. "In a three year peiod 235 employees were treated for a variety of health problems. 170 reported a good effect. 60 had some effect whereas 5 had no effect. Absenteeism was reduced from 11.4 to 8.5 days per person per year, implying savings of more than 1 million Danish kroner." (http://www.fdz-intranet.dk/english/research/results.htm) Madsen, Synnøve and Andersen, Jette, "Postal Reflexology," Danish Reflexologists Association Research Committee Report, Feb., 1995 .. "A report on Company Reflexology as appled in the Danish municipality of Svendborg. Involves 52 female employees. 97.5% had positive effects on their primary ailments. 77.5% on secondary problems. Medicine intake was reduce with 27.5% and absenteeism with 65.9%" (http://www.fdz-intranet.dk/english/research/results.htm) Terp, Hanne, "Municipal Reflexology in Svendborg, A study of the effect of reflexology treatment in the eastern district of the municipality. Acne Thirty eight cases of acne were ages 18 to 29. All were treated with a daily reflexology session for 10 days as a course of treatment. All were successfully cured by foot reflexotherapy work: 5 after 3 courses, 26 after 4 courses, 4 after 5 courses and 3 after 6 courses. Dong Dahai, Xiang Xiangdong, Shi Yanling, Kong Zhifeng, Dong Congjun, "Treatment of 38 Cases of Acne with Foot Reflexotherapy," 1998 China Reflexology Symposium Report, China Reflexology Association, Beijing, pp. 62-6 Alzheimer's Alzheimer's patients saw a reduction in body stiffness and arthritis as well as alleviation of the illness's symptoms of restlessness and wandering following reflexology work. "Old age converts to the New Age," Daily Mail (England), September 14, 1995 Amenorrhea * Ninety-five cases of amenorrhea were divided into two groups, a foot reflex therapy treatment group of 50 and a control group of 45 with participants using traditional Chinese medicine tablets. The effective rate of the foot reflex therapy group was 96% compared to the control group rate of 33%. Xiu-hua, Xu, "Analysis of 50 Cases of Amenorrhea Treated by Foot Reflex Therapy," (19)96 Beijing International Reflexology Conference (Report), China Preventive Medical Association and the Chinese Society of Reflexology, Beijing, 1996, p. 36 Anemia A forty-six year-old woman with megaloblastic anemia was treated with foot reflexology. At the start of foot reflexology treatment her WBC/mm measured 4200 and hemoglobin 5.5. After three months of foot reflexology treatment she could walk. WBC/mm measured 8200 and hemoglobin measured 11.0. Yong-gui, Yang, "A Case Report on Treatment of Megaloblastic Anemia with Paraplegia by Foot Reflexology," 1994 China Reflexology Symposium Report, China Reflexology Association, Beijing, p. 48 (Worker's Hospital of Zhuhai Chentang Enterprise, Tianjin, China) ...................' http://www.reflexology-research.com/abstracts.htm |
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"chico chupacabra" > wrote in message ... > > pearl wrote: > > > > > > You *don't* think people should have the right to eat meat in the > > > > > privacy of their own homes, but you do think it's okay if they **** > > > > > animals. Go figure! > > > > > > > > I oppose anything which causes harm and distress. > > > > > > Yet you condone sexual abuse of animals. > > > > No. You keep confirming that you're a desperate rabid liar. > > Yes. You CONDONE it. > > tr.v. con-doned, con-don-ing, con-dones > To overlook, forgive, or disregard (an offense) without protest or censure. > http://www.thefreedictionary.com/condone I have said it is a perversion numerous times. That is condemnation. > > I have said it is a perversion numerous times. > > Yet you continue to condone it: I have stated that it is a perversion. That is condemnation. > I. You offer only qualified objections to it: Look at your definition above. > *As long as the feelings are mutual*, > and there's *no coercion or force involved,* why > should you be concerned? Personally, I have no > problem with people's personal choices *as long as > they don't harm or cause distress to another*- be it > human or animal. [emphasis in original] > lesley - http://tinyurl.com/dwzj7 > > II. You've condoned it as a matter of privacy: > "What people do in the privacy of their own home may be sick as hell, but as long as they're not harming or causing distress to another - that's their business." So the state of Texas condones bestiality as there's no law against it? Better get writing to your representatives to tell them to condemn it. > III. You've further stated that you'd even oppose laws against it: > "Whether I think there should be a law against it is another question." So the state of Texas condones bestiality as there's no law against it? Better get writing to your representatives to tell them to condemn it. > Whose side are you on, Lesley? The animal ****ers' side. On the side of responsible freedom of choice. > You haven't and can't disassociate yourself from them. I was never associated them, except in your sick, twisted, desperate little mind, chumpo. Take a look at this and tell us who's side you are on, desperado: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...46892514662399 (Very long - will look for a transcript shortly). |
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lesley the skanky harlot of Cork lied:
> "Leif Erikson" > wrote in message ink.net... > > >>lesley the skanky harlot of Cork lied: > > >>> >>>>>>>><...> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Or as Glorfindel put it: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I don't think I have a right to prevent people by force >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>from doing things which cause no harm to another, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>human or animal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>IOW, you don't object to humans ****ing animals. Case closed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>What case? I told you back then that I think it is a perversion. >>>>>> >>>>>>You don't condemn it. >>>>> >>>>>Yes, I do. >>>> >>>>No: >>> >>> >>>I think it is a perversion. I think it is morally wrong. I condemn it. >> >>So you *don't* think it's okay for people to do it in >>the privacy of their own homes. Why was it so hard to >>get you to say that? > > > I told you that I think it is a perversion, i.e wrong, over two years ago. Then you spent the next two years saying it was the private business of people. You're inconsistent. |
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Jonathan Ball defender of child rape "Leif Erikson" > lied in message
ink.net... > pearl wrote > >>>I think it is a perversion. I think it is morally wrong. I condemn it. > >> > >>So you *don't* think it's okay for people to do it in > >>the privacy of their own homes. Why was it so hard to > >>get you to say that? > > > > > > I told you that I think it is a perversion, i.e wrong, over two years ago. > > Then you spent the next two years saying it was the > private business of people. No, you spent the next two years telling people I "believe in" it. - You are a proven stupid, foul-mouthed, morally-bankrupt liar. > You're inconsistent. It's your business if you want to sit in front of your computer all day, every day, in your deluded state wanking off at what you consider to be 'clever' comments replying to your own fabricated strawmen - it is deeply immoral and very disturbing, but as I said- that's your shoddy business, perverse as it is. Just keep it to yourself- we don't want it. |
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lesley the lying slut of Cork lied:
> "Leif Erikson" > wrote in message ink.net... > >>lesley the lying slut of Cork lied: >> >> >>>"chico chupacabra" > wrote in message ... > > >>>>Reflexology is pseudoscience: >>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflexo...cientific_view >>>> >>> >>>BULLSHIT >> >>"Reflexology" is bullshit. Correct. > > > False, No, true: "reflexology" is bullshit quackery. > > [snip non-peer reviewed bullshit from a foot-massage lobbying organization] > > http://www.reflexology-research.com/abstracts.htm There are no legitimate clinical studies that show *any* directly therapeutic effect of foot rubbing for any medical ailment. At best, foot massage has a palliative effect on the fraud victim's mental state. |
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lesley the lying slut of Cork lied:
> "Leif Erikson" > wrote in message ink.net... > >>Misterina wrote: >> >> >>>>Not as authorities, per se, but their show BULLSHIT exposes frauds and >>>>pseudoscience and other irrational nonsense. "Alternative medicine" is >>>>bullshit. >>> >>>What happens if and when it works? >> >>It doesn't. > > > It most certainly does. It most certainly does *NOT*. > [snip non-peer reviewed bullshit from a foot-massage lobbying organization] > > http://www.reflexology-research.com/abstracts.htm There are no legitimate clinical studies that show *any* directly therapeutic effect of foot rubbing for any medical ailment. At best, foot massage has a palliative effect on the fraud victim's mental state. |
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lesley the lying slut of Cork lied:
> "chico chupacabra" an indefensible fake > wrote in message ... > > >>lesley the lying slut of Cork lied: >> >> >>>>>>>You don't know what we've studied. >>>>>> >>>>>>Uh huh. You failed out of engineering school and ended up learning >>>>>>"reflexology" from new age hippie conmen: >>>>>> >>>>>> I am a qualified Reflexologist and received my training in >>>>>> >>>>>> London. >>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/mh7a >>>>>> >>>>>>Reflexology is pseudoscience: >>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflexo...cientific_view >>>>> >>>>>BULLSHIT >>>> >>>>Reflexology = bullshit. Penn and Teller were spot on. >>> >>>You citing illusionists as authorities on it? What a joke! >> >>Not as authorities, per se, but their show BULLSHIT exposes frauds and pseudoscience and other irrational nonsense. "Alternative >>medicine" is bullshit. > > They're BULLSHIT Right: so-called "alternative" medicine *is* bullshit, and so are you. > [snip non-peer reviewed bullshit from a foot-massage lobbying organization] > > http://www.reflexology-research.com/abstracts.htm There are no legitimate clinical studies that show *any* directly therapeutic effect of foot rubbing for any medical ailment. At best, foot massage has a palliative effect on the fraud victim's mental state. |
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pearl wrote:
> "chico chupacabra" > wrote in message ... > >>pearl wrote: >> >> >>>>>>You *don't* think people should have the right to eat meat in the >>>>>>privacy of their own homes, but you do think it's okay if they **** >>>>>>animals. Go figure! >>>>> >>>>>I oppose anything which causes harm and distress. >>>> >>>>Yet you condone sexual abuse of animals. >>> >>>No. You keep confirming that you're a desperate rabid liar. >> >>Yes. You CONDONE it. >> >>tr.v. con-doned, con-don-ing, con-dones >>To overlook, forgive, or disregard (an offense) without protest or censure. >>http://www.thefreedictionary.com/condone > > > I have said it is a perversion numerous times. That is condemnation. No, it isn't. It isn't making any moral judgment about it at all. Calling it a perversion is merely observing that it's different from the norm. >>>I have said it is a perversion numerous times. >> >>Yet you continue to condone it: > > > I have stated that it is a perversion. That is condemnation. No, it isn't. It isn't making any moral judgment about it at all. Calling it a perversion is merely observing that it's different from the norm. >>I. You offer only qualified objections to it: > > > Look at your We've looked at your heavily qualified - meaningless, in other words - pseudo-condemnation. It isn't a condemnation; you're trying to be "tolerant" of it because it's an "alternative lifestyle", i.e. just another instance of "inner earth beings" mentality. |
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lesley the lying slut of Cork lied:
> "Leif Erikson" > wrote: > >>lesley the lying slut of Cork lied: > > >>>>>I think it is a perversion. I think it is morally wrong. I condemn it. >>>> >>>>So you *don't* think it's okay for people to do it in >>>>the privacy of their own homes. Why was it so hard to >>>>get you to say that? >>> >>> >>>I told you that I think it is a perversion, i.e wrong, over two years ago. >> >>Then you spent the next two years saying it was the >>private business of people. > > > No, Yes. > you spent the next two years telling people I "believe in" it. Because, by your condoning it, you *do* believe in it. >>You're inconsistent. > > > It's your business Right. Don't forget it. |
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On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:45:36 +0100, "pearl" > wrote:
>"chico chupacabra" > wrote in message ... > >> Chelsea foot-rubbing harlot wrote: > >Lies # 1, 2 and 3. Are you saying that: 1. you're not from Chelsea? 2. you've never engage in foot rubbing? 3. you're not a harlot? >> >>>>>>>Why do you claim I am not qualified to know? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>Because you never studied this the relevant disciplines in science. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>I have. >> >>>> >> >>>>You have not, Karen. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>What makes you think that you are qualified to know that? >> >> >> >>She has stated that she studied history at university. >> >> Then she got a job shampooing cats. She hasn't >> >>studied biology, zoology, anatomy or any other science >> >>at the university level. Neither have you. >> > >> > >> > You don't know what we've studied. >> >> Uh huh. You failed out of engineering school and ended up learning >> "reflexology" from new age hippie conmen: > >Lie #4. > >> I am a qualified Reflexologist and received my training in >> London. >> http://tinyurl.com/mh7a Are you saying that: 1. Goo lied and you never made that quote? 2. you made the quote but were lying when you made it? >> Reflexology is pseudoscience: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflexo...cientific_view >> >BULLSHIT Are you saying Goo is correct in claiming that you believe in reflexology, regardless of whether you've been trained in it or not? |
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