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LesLIE continued dishing out her bullshit:

It *doesn't* "work" as its scammers suggest. Reflexology's benefits don't
extend beyond palliative results,



Paediatr Nurs. 2003 Apr;15(3):20-1.
Reflexology in the management of encopresis and chronic constipation.
Bishop E, McKinnon E, Weir E, Brown DW.

Encopresis or faecal incontinence in children is an extremely distressing
condition that is usually secondary to chronic constipation/stool withholding.
Traditional management with enemas may add to the child's distress. This
study investigated the efficacy of treating patients with encopresis and
chronic constipation with reflexology. An observational study was carried
out of 50 children


Small sample size.

between three and 14 years of age who had a diagnosis
of encopresis/chronic constipation. The children received six sessions of
30-minutes of reflexology to their feet. With the help of their parents they
completed questionnaires on bowel motions and soiling patterns before,
during and after the treatment.


Self-reporting is NOT double blind, douchebag.

A further questionnaire was completed by
parents pre and post treatment on their attitude towards reflexology.


Attitudes are subjective, NOT objective. This was a survey, not a study.

Forty-eight of the children completed the sessions. The number of bowel
motions increased and the incidence of soiling decreased.


Per self-reporting, not from actual observation and comparison against a
control group.

Parents were
keen to try the reflexology and were satisfied with the effect of reflexology
on their child's condition. It appears that reflexology has been an effective
method of treating encopresis and constipation over a six-week period in
this cohort of patients.


Perceived palliative benefit, not measured to be systemic benefit.

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pearl wrote:
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pearl wrote:

It's not a matter of belief. It is a scientifically-validated therapy.


It is a scientifically WORTHLESS bit of quackery.
There is ZERO scientific validation for foot massage,
aka "reflexology". It's bullshit.



Reflexology treatment relieves symptoms of multiple sclerosis:


Palliative, not systemic.
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chico chupacabra wrote:
Rupert wrote:

What's wrong with sex with animals


Plenty. Can animals give consent to sex?


They can't give verbal consent. It can be the case that the animal is
willing and that it can be reasonably presumed that the animal is
willing.

I think objecting to sex with animals... is utterly bizarre.


I think people who **** animals are even more bizarre. I'm not terribly
surprised you give your demented approval of it, though.

I think all the fuss you people make about bestiality is ridiculous.


Why do you not object to it? I bet you're a baa-aaa-aad man.


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pearl wrote:


http://www.reflexology-research.com/abstracts.htm

There are no legitimate clinical studies


All of the abstracts on that page are


Bullshit. They're bullshit. NO legitimate clinical
studies have been done that show any verifiable
therapeutic result from foot massage.



Obstetrics & Gynecology 1993;82:906-911
1993 by The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
Randomized controlled study of premenstrual symptoms treated with
ear, hand, and foot reflexology
T Oleson and W Flocco

OBJECTIVE: To determine whether reflexology therapy--the application
of manual pressure to reflex points on the ears, hands, and feet that
somatotopically correspond to specific areas of the body--can significantly
reduce premenstrual symptoms compared to placebo treatment.
METHODS: Thirty-five women


Small sample.

who complained of previous distress with
premenstrual syndrome (PMS) were randomly assigned to be treated by ear,
hand, and foot reflexology or to receive placebo reflexology. All subjects
completed a daily diary,


Self-reporting.

which monitored 38 premenstrual symptoms on
a four-point scale. Somatic and psychological indicators


What the **** did I say when "Misterina" ****wittedly jumped into the
discussion: "It's benefits are palliative and tend to 'work' for people
with psychosomatic complaints." It doesn't cure ****ing PMS.

of premenstrual
distress were recorded each day for 2 months before treatment, for 2 months
during reflexology, and for 2 months afterward. The reflexology sessions for
both groups were provided by a trained reflexology therapist


Not a double blind study.

once a week
for 8 weeks, and lasted 30 minutes each. RESULTS: Analysis of variance
for repeated measures demonstrated a significantly greater decrease in
premenstrual symptoms for the women given true reflexology treatment
than for the women in the placebo group. CONCLUSION: These clinical
findings support the use of ear, hand, and foot reflexology for the treatment
of PMS.

http://www.greenjournal.org/cgi/cont...tract/82/6/906


Green Journal... well that would certainly trump The Lancet and JAMA.
/sarcasm
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pearl wrote:

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Misterina wrote:



"Leif Erikson" wrote in message ink.net...





Not as authorities, per se, but their show BULLSHIT exposes frauds and
pseudoscience and other irrational nonsense. "Alternative medicine" is
bullshit.



Prof Nurse. 1993 Aug;8(11):722-5.
Reflexology--its place in modern healthcare.
Sahai IC.

1. Reflexology is a safe treatment promoting homeostasis.


What the hell could be dangerous about a foot rub, unless the patient
has an injury or gout?

2. It is an ancient method


Ancient my ass. It's nineteenth-century snakeoil.

of healing which is regaining
popularity. 3. Reflexology has no side-effects, only so-called
healing crises--stepping stones to better health. 4. Reflexology
is now an established branch of paramedical medicine,


Paramedical medicine is oxymoronic.

and should be available to NHS patients.

PMID: 8346270 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Citation


That's not a study, you charlatan.
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Misterina wrote:

Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of
wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of
buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does.
What they try to avoid are products which provide life
(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
to avoid the following items containing animal by-products
in order to be successful:




Okay um. Can someone please tell me WHY is it that people assume I am vegan?


You wrote:

I just categorically don't eat anything that had a
mother.
Or eyes. Or brains. Like EUGH!! So here we go, how
about this:

Hi. My name is Misterina. I *categorically* condemn
meat *eating*.

If not "vegan", you are at least a loopy so-called "ethical
vegetarian".

That is, you're a crackpot.
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Those last two sentences are contradictory.


No, shev, they aren't. Palliative benefits from touch therapies like
massage (back, feet, whatever) may make it easier to live with
migraines, but they don't cure migraines.



Altern Ther Health Med. 1999 May;5(3):57-65.


That's hardly The Lancet or JAMA.

Comment in: Altern Ther Health Med. 1999 May;5(3):39-40.
An exploratory study of reflexological treatment for headache.
Launso L, Brendstrup E, Arnberg S.
Department of Social Pharmacy, Royal Danish School of Pharmacy,
Copenhagen, Denmark.

CONTEXT: Headache is the most frequently reported symptom among
Danish adults, and studies in various European countries indicate migraine
headache prevalence rates similar to those in Denmark. OBJECTIVE: An
exploratory study of reflexological treatment for headache was conducted
from 1993 to 1994 to examine which patients with headache underwent a
course of reflexological treatment, why patients sought reflexological
treatment, what previous experience patients had with medication for
headache, and what outcomes patients experienced from reflexological
treatment. DESIGN: Prospective and exploratory study using random
sampling and the following data collection methods: headache diaries,
registration schemes for practitioners, questionnaires, and qualitative
interviews.


Self-reporting and paper-pushing. This, like the others you've pasted
in, is not a double blind study. Here are some abstracts of double blind
studies about reflexology and its ******* cousin acupressu

Many asthma patients seek alternative or adjunctive therapies. One such
modality is reflexology, whereby finger pressure is applied to certain
parts of the body. The aim of the study was to examine the popular claim
that reflexology treatment benefits bronchial asthma. Ten weeks of
active or simulated (placebo) reflexology given by an experienced
reflexologist, were compared in an otherwise blind, controlled trial of
20+20 outpatients with asthma. Objective lung function tests (peak flow
morning and evening, and weekly spirometry at the clinic) did not
change. Subjective scores (describing symptoms, beta2-inhalations and
quality of life) and also bronchial sensitivity to histamine improved on
both regimens, but no differences were found between groups receiving
active or placebo reflexology. However, a trend in favour of reflexology
became significant when a supplementary analysis of symptom diaries was
carried out. It was accompanied by a significant pattern compatible with
subconscious unblinding, in that patients tended to guess which
treatment they had been receiving. No evidence was found that
reflexology has a specific effect on asthma beyond placebo influence.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract


Nausea and vomiting are major adverse effects during spinal anesthesia
for cesarean delivery. Stimulation of the P6 (Neiguan) acupoint is a
traditional Chinese acupuncture technique used for effective antiemetic
purposes. In this study, we evaluated the antiemetic effect of P6
acupressure in parturients during spinal anesthesia for cesarean
delivery. In a randomized, double-blind, controlled trial, 110
parturients scheduled for elective cesarean delivery were enrolled in
the study. Thirty minutes before initiation of spinal anesthesia,
parturients were randomized to acupressure bands or placebo bands
bilaterally on the P6 acupoint and nausea and vomiting were observed
over the study period. There were no statistically significant
differences in maternal characteristics. Incidence rates for
intraoperative nausea were 64% (acupressure group) and 71% (control
group) (P = 0.416), with an incidence of intraoperative vomiting of 22%
(acupressure group) and 27% (control group) (P = 0.506). The results
suggest that prophylactic use of acupressure bands bilaterally on the P6
acupoint failed to prevent nausea and vomiting during spinal anesthesia
for cesarean delivery.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_docsu m

...
CONCLUSIONS: Reflexological treatment seems to improve patients'
general well-being,


Neither a quantitative measure nor assessment.

energy level,


Not quantitated.

ability to interpret their own body signals,


This is not therapeutic.

and ability to understand the reasons for headache.


This is not therapeutic. NOW PAY ATTENTION TO THE NEXT PART, YOU ****ING
IDIOT:

However, these
relationships may be due to other factors in the treatment environment.


That's what a double blind study can help weed out: see the two such
abstracts I cited above.

Additional studies are necessary to determine the proximate cause of
reflexology's therapeutic benefits.


Additional study would show that reflexology is a sham.
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That is, you're a crackpot.


And you're an ass. At least crackpots have SOME form of entertainment.


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wrote:
chico chupacabra wrote:


It's classified in DSM-IV as a paraphilia.



"There is presently considerable debate in psychology over whether
certain aspects of zoophilia are better understood as an aberration or
as an orientation.


It's not very considerable. As it was with declassification of
homosexuality, which was listed in prior DSMs as a paraphilic disorder,
there is a very small group of activists bent on re- or declassifying
paraphilias in toto. This activism is based on politics, not on science.

The activity or desire itself is no longer
classified as a pathology under DSM-IV (TR) (the Diagnostic and
Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association) unless
accompanied by distress or interference with normal functioning on the
part of the person,


Meanwhile, other disorders like psychopathy and sociopathy are diagnosed
per axes rather than how the patient feels about himself and how he's
functioning.

and research has broadly been supportive of at
least some of zoophiles' central claims. Critics point out that that
DSM-IV says nothing about acceptability or the well-being of the
animal,


Which is irrelevant. The sexually-depraved patient doesn't get brownie
points for feeding the dog he just raped -- and, absent the dog's
consent, that's exactly what it is: rape.

and many critics outside the field express views that sexual
acts with animals are always either abusive or unethical. Defenders of
zoosexuality argue that a human/animal relationship can go far beyond
sexuality, and that animals are capable of forming a genuinely loving
relationship that can last for years and which is not functionally
different from any other love/sex relationship."


You mean aside from the fact that your sheep can't drive to the store
for aspirin after you've abused it the way a real girlfriend, from your
own species, would.

(Wikipedia, "Zoophilia")


I wish Wikipedia would list authors/contributors so we'd know exactly
who wrote that.


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chico chupacabra wrote:
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chico chupacabra wrote:


It's classified in DSM-IV as a paraphilia.



"There is presently considerable debate in psychology over whether
certain aspects of zoophilia are better understood as an aberration or
as an orientation.


It's not very considerable.


What are your qualifications to speak about the matter? How much
psychological or psychiatric literature have you read?

As it was with declassification of
homosexuality, which was listed in prior DSMs as a paraphilic disorder,
there is a very small group of activists bent on re- or declassifying
paraphilias in toto. This activism is based on politics, not on science.


Whereas classifying paraphilias as mental disorders is based on
science, is it? These scientists have found some way to transcend the
cultural mores they live in and come up with some objective scientific
basis for saying homosexuality which causes clinically significant
distress is not a mental disorder, heterosexuality which causes
clinically distress is not a mental disorder, but sadomasochism which
causes clinically significant distress is. Well, it could be. Perhaps
you can tell us a bit about the scientific basis for it.

The activity or desire itself is no longer
classified as a pathology under DSM-IV (TR) (the Diagnostic and
Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association) unless
accompanied by distress or interference with normal functioning on the
part of the person,


Meanwhile, other disorders like psychopathy and sociopathy are diagnosed
per axes rather than how the patient feels about himself and how he's
functioning.


Quite. Could it be you're suggesting that the psychiatric community
sometimes allows its scientific objectivity to be influenced by
socio-cultural factors? Why don't you tell us what the objective
scientific basis is for saying something is or is not a disorder. I'm
dying to know. Then maybe we'd know what the point was of your bringing
up DSM-IV in the first place, in response to a request for objective
evidence of harm.

and research has broadly been supportive of at
least some of zoophiles' central claims. Critics point out that that
DSM-IV says nothing about acceptability or the well-being of the
animal,


Which is irrelevant. The sexually-depraved patient doesn't get brownie
points for feeding the dog he just raped -- and, absent the dog's
consent, that's exactly what it is: rape.


If the dog was willing, what's the problem?

and many critics outside the field express views that sexual
acts with animals are always either abusive or unethical. Defenders of
zoosexuality argue that a human/animal relationship can go far beyond
sexuality, and that animals are capable of forming a genuinely loving
relationship that can last for years and which is not functionally
different from any other love/sex relationship."


You mean aside from the fact that your sheep can't drive to the store
for aspirin after you've abused it the way a real girlfriend, from your
own species, would.


The fact that sheep can't drive is certainly one difference between
sheep and humans. I don't think defenders of zoosexuality would feel
this significantly bears on their thesis. I make no comment about the
thesis itself, I don't claim any great insight into zoosexual
relationships.

(Wikipedia, "Zoophilia")


I wish Wikipedia would list authors/contributors so we'd know exactly
who wrote that.


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chico chupacabra wrote:
wrote:

This is the site of a lobbying organization for foot
massagers. They have no credibility.

There are no legitimate clinical studies that show
*any* directly therapeutic effect of foot rubbing for
any medical ailment. At best, foot massage has a
palliative effect on the fraud victim's mental state.



Those last two sentences are contradictory.

No, shev, they aren't. Palliative benefits from touch therapies like
massage (back, feet, whatever) may make it easier to live with
migraines, but they don't cure migraines.


You're saying a palliative benefit is not a direct therapeutic effect?


No, because the underlying cause/issue remains.

If a placebo can show direct therapeutic effect, and they often do, I'm
sure a foot massage would be that much better.

No better than music, laughter, or pets:
LAUGHTER
http://tinyurl.com/e2mn
http://tinyurl.com/e2mv

MUSIC
http://tinyurl.com/e2nb
http://tinyurl.com/e2nf

ANIMALS/PETS
http://tinyurl.com/e2nn
http://tinyurl.com/e2ns


Good point.


I try only to make that kind.

I imagine your original foot massage advocate would also
agree..


She doesn't. She's a true-believer in reflexology.


Why would a true believer in reflexology deny that music, laughter, and
proximity to other animals could also have healthful effects?

we all have quite different nervous, endochrine, etc. systems
as well as comforts and whatever floats your boat as they say.


But we don't allow people to make unfounded, untrue statements about
medical procedures or potions. That's supposed to include flim-flam BS
like "alternative medicine."


You don't allow people to make unfounded, untrue statements about
medical procedures? I can't think of any other field where such
statements are more rampant, and they have been for millenia. Good
luck with that. Don't forget to include flim-flam BS like allopathic
medicine, drug pushers ("legal"), and "traditional medicine".

Just remember that past results are no guarantee of future performance
etc.


Read LesLIE's posts again and you'll see that she's a true-believer who
claims it's a cure-all.


If she's a foot-fetishist I've got no problem with that. If she claims
it will work for everyone I do.

Cheers -

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pearl wrote:
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There are no legitimate clinical studies that show
*any* directly therapeutic effect of foot rubbing for
any medical ailment. At best, foot massage has a
palliative effect on the fraud victim's mental state.


'Paediatr Nurs. 2003 Apr;15(3):20-1.
Reflexology in the management of encopresis and chronic constipation.
Bishop E, McKinnon E, Weir E, Brown DW.

Encopresis or faecal incontinence in children is an extremely distressing
condition that is usually secondary to chronic constipation/stool withholding.
Traditional management with enemas may add to the child's distress. This
study investigated the efficacy of treating patients with encopresis and
chronic constipation with reflexology. An observational study was carried
out of 50 children between three and 14 years of age who had a diagnosis
of encopresis/chronic constipation. The children received six sessions of
30-minutes of reflexology to their feet. With the help of their parents they
completed questionnaires on bowel motions and soiling patterns before,
during and after the treatment. A further questionnaire was completed by
parents pre and post treatment on their attitude towards reflexology.
Forty-eight of the children completed the sessions. The number of bowel
motions increased and the incidence of soiling decreased. Parents were
keen to try the reflexology and were satisfied with the effect of reflexology
on their child's condition. It appears that reflexology has been an effective
method of treating encopresis and constipation over a six-week period in
this cohort of patients.


These kids are told to eat animals and are vitamin C deficient.
Reflexology or laxatives may help but don't address the problem. I
couldn't downloade the whole article.. did the authors make any mention
at all of diet?? We are talking about the digestive system after all.

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pearl wrote:


'Paediatr Nurs. 2003 Apr;15(3):20-1.
Reflexology in the management of encopresis and chronic constipation.
Bishop E, McKinnon E, Weir E, Brown DW.

Encopresis or faecal incontinence in children is an extremely distressing
condition that is usually secondary to chronic constipation/stool withholding.
Traditional management with enemas may add to the child's distress. This
study investigated the efficacy of treating patients with encopresis and
chronic constipation with reflexology. An observational study was carried
out of 50 children between three and 14 years of age who had a diagnosis
of encopresis/chronic constipation. The children received six sessions of
30-minutes of reflexology to their feet. With the help of their parents they
completed questionnaires on bowel motions and soiling patterns before,
during and after the treatment. A further questionnaire was completed by
parents pre and post treatment on their attitude towards reflexology.
Forty-eight of the children completed the sessions. The number of bowel
motions increased and the incidence of soiling decreased. Parents were
keen to try the reflexology and were satisfied with the effect of reflexology
on their child's condition. It appears that reflexology has been an effective
method of treating encopresis and constipation over a six-week period in
this cohort of patients.


These kids are told to eat animals and are vitamin C deficient.
Reflexology or laxatives may help but don't address the problem. I
couldn't downloade the whole article.. did the authors make any mention
at all of diet?? We are talking about the digestive system after all.


That is correct. Without identifying and removing the cause/s
of the disease, the effects of the treatment can be helpful, but
will not eliminate the problem. However reflexology is a branch
of holistic naturopathic medicine, and all aspects of the patient's
lifestyle should be considered. Diet is certainly very important.

Principles of Naturopathic Medicine;

DEFINITION OF NATUROPATHIC MEDICINE

Naturopathic medicine is a distinct system of primary health
care - an art, science, philosophy and practice of diagnosis,
treatment and prevention of illness. Naturopathic medicine is
distinguished by the principles which underlie and determine
its practice. These principles are based upon the objective
observation of the nature of health and disease, and are
continually reexamined in the light of scientific advances.
Methods used are consistent with these principles and are
chosen upon the basis of patient individuality. Naturopathic
physicians are primary health care practitioners, whose
diverse techniques include modern and traditional, scientific
and empirical methods. The following principles are the
foundation for the practice of naturopathic medicine:

PRINCIPLES

The Healing Power of Nature (Vis Medicatrix Naturae)
The healing power of nature is the inherent self-organizing
and healing process of living systems which establishes,
maintains and restores health. Naturopathic medicine
recognizes this healing process to be ordered and intelligent.
It is the naturopathic physician's role to support, facilitate
and augment this process by identifying and removing obstacles
to health and recovery, and by supporting the creation of a
healthy internal and external environment.

Identify and Treat the Causes (Tolle Causam)
Illness does not occur without cause. Causes may originate
in many areas. Underlying causes of illness and disease must
be identified and removed before complete recovery can
occur. Symptoms can be expressions of the body's attempt
to defend itself, to adapt and recover, to heal itself, or
may be results of the causes of disease. The naturopathic
physician seeks to treat the causes of disease, rather than
to merely eliminate or suppress symptoms.

First Do No Harm (Primum Non Nocere)
Naturopathic physicians follow three precepts to avoid
harming the patient:

+ Naturopathic physicians utilize methods and medicinal
substances which minimize the risk of harmful effects, and
apply the least possible force or intervention necessary to
diagnose illness and restore health.
+Whenever possible the suppression of symptoms is avoided
as suppression generally interferes with the healing process.
+Naturopathic physicians respect and work with the vis
medicatrix naturae in diagnosis, treatment and counseling,
for if this self-healing process is not respected the patient
may be harmed.

Doctor As Teacher (Docere)
The original meaning of the word "doctor" is teacher. A
principal objective of naturopathic medicine is to educate
the patient and emphasize self-responsibility for health.
Naturopathic physicians also recognize and employ the
therapeutic potential of the doctor-patient relationship.

Treat the Whole Person
Health and disease result from a complex of physical, mental,
emotional, genetic, environmental, social and other factors.
Since total health also includes spiritual health, naturopathic
physicians encourage individuals to pursue their personal
spiritual development. Naturopathic medicine recognizes the
harmonious functioning of all aspects of the individual as
being essential to health. The multifactorial nature of health
and disease requires a personalized and comprehensive
approach to diagnosis and treatment. Naturopathic physicians
treat the whole person taking all of these factors into
account.

Prevention
Naturopathic medical colleges emphasize the study of health
as well as disease. The prevention of disease and the
attainment of optimal health in patients are primary objectives
of naturopathic medicine. In practice, these objectives are
accomplished through education and the promotion of healthy
ways of living. Naturopathic physicians assess risk factors,
heredity and susceptibility to disease, and make appropriate
interventions in partnership with their patients to prevent illness.
Naturopathic medicine asserts that one cannot be healthy in
an unhealthy environment and is committed to the creation
of a world in which humanity may thrive.

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