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Old 20-01-2006, 03:52 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.food.vegan,talk.politics.animals
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You talk absolute ********. I suggest you seek mental help. Diputs woc.

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Old 20-01-2006, 04:15 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.food.vegan,talk.politics.animals
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SlipperySlope wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:


This is obviously an unusual episode,


You have no way of knowing that.


I do from PETA's record in general. You have no
way of knowing otherwise. Clearly, the
individuals involved acted on their own strange
initiative for some reason. It would make no
sense for PETA to dump animal bodies in trash
bins as a policy. If there were any question about
their procedures, that would be the surest way to
bring the issue to public attention.

As I noted in another response, every humane group
has this type of blunder occur at times. The
public (and the employees and volunteers) always have
a very ambivalent attitude toward euthanasia, and
the careless people who allow their animals to breed
and produce these unwanted animals are always quick
to blame the humane groups who get stuck with the
results. As I said to Westley -- why not attack the
factory farming industry? They have a 100 per cent
death rate, and they intend it it that way; they also
keep their animals in extremely inhumane conditions.
Yet people like Westley are eager to attack PETA,
which is trying to make a positive difference, and is
doing good work.

snip

Newkirk has since said that dumping the animals into trash bins
violates PETA policy.

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Old 20-01-2006, 04:15 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.food.vegan,talk.politics.animals
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Karen Winter wrote:

SlipperySlope wrote:

However, where does it state the animals were smothered? It's not in
the original post;



No, it's not

in fact, Glorfindel is the one who first brought it up.



No, I was not.


Yes, you were, Karen. It wasn't in John Wesley's (not
"Westley") post at all. YOU brought it up in a reply
to Dutch; Dutch didn't mention it, either.


Westley *claimed* this.


No, he didn't, Karen. He didn't mention it until
*after* you did.

You obviously know more about this than you're letting
on, Karen.
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Old 20-01-2006, 04:20 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.food.vegan,talk.politics.animals
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Karen Winter lied:

SlipperySlope wrote:

Karen Winter lied:



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There's no evidence the animals in this incident were abused. They
were shelter animals transferred to PETA.



To be killed, which is all PeTA does to shelter animals.



Obviously not, since the hostile material cited by Westley himself
indicated that some animals were placed.


It does not. Either you can't read, or you're
deliberately lying. NOTHING in Wesley's (not
"Westley") balanced material - it's a news story from
the mainstream media, you dummy - indicates the PeTA
facility places *any* animals. It only says that
"Bertie County and Northampton County officials and one
Ahoskie veterinarian said they *believed* that
adoptable animals would find new homes" [emphasis
added]. PeTA MISREPRESENTED to these officials that
they placed animals with people wanting pets. They
lied - hardly for the first time.
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Old 20-01-2006, 04:22 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.food.vegan,talk.politics.animals
SlipperySlope
 
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Karen Winter lied:

Dutch wrote:

Karen Winter lied:



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This is obviously an unusual episode, and, as the article
indicates, was contrary to PETA policy, and not
authorized by PETA.



Do you accept that excuse when animals are abused by workers in the
meat industry?



There's no evidence the animals in this incident were abused. They
were shelter animals transferred to PETA. The technician who
euthanized them was licensed, and they weren't "smothered" as
alleged. The issue was proper disposal of the dead bodies.


Only in part. The bigger issue is that PeTA
MISREPRESENTS that they place any animals as pets.
They don't - they kill them.


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Old 20-01-2006, 06:47 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.food.vegan,talk.politics.animals
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SlipperySlope wrote:

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To be killed, which is all PeTA does to shelter animals.


Obviously not, since the hostile material cited by Wesley himself
indicated that some animals were placed.


NOTHING in Wesley's (not "Westley") balanced material - it's a news
story from the mainstream media, you dummy - indicates the PeTA facility
places *any* animals.


That is incorrect. Reread the statistics he posted.
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Old 20-01-2006, 06:50 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.food.vegan,talk.politics.animals
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SlipperySlope wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:


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Wesley *claimed* this.


No, he didn't.


Yes, he did.

He didn't mention it until *after* you did.


He was the one who mentioned it first. I noted nothing he
posted supported his claim. Reread the material he posted.
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Old 20-01-2006, 06:51 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.food.vegan,talk.politics.animals
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SlipperySlope wrote:

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PeTA MISREPRESENTS that they
place any animals as pets. They don't - they kill them.



That is false.
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Old 20-01-2006, 07:05 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.food.vegan,talk.politics.animals
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SlipperySlope wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

there is a movement today to replace "pet owner"
with "companion animal guardian" as the preferred term.


It's just more of your empty symbolism


It certainly is symbolic, because, as I said, until the
*legal* status of animals changes there will be no major
progress. However, language is very important. The words
we use both reflect and create our mental landscape, and
the idea that a human companion is a guardian rather than
an "owner" creates a very different picture in the mind of
the person who uses the term. I do hope the terminology
becomes more common; it will reflect a healthy shift in the
popular mind. Children have guardians, not owners, and if
humans see companion animals as analogous to their children,
as indeed they should, it may well improve animals' welfare.


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Old 20-01-2006, 09:17 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.food.vegan,talk.politics.animals
SlipperySlope
 
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Karen Winter lied:

SlipperySlope wrote:

Karen Winter lied:



This is obviously an unusual episode,



You have no way of knowing that.



I do from PETA's record in general.


You don't know their "record in general". What you
know is the image of them you like to hold.


You have no
way of knowing otherwise. Clearly, the
individuals involved acted on their own strange
initiative for some reason.


That is not clear at all, and you certainly don't
"know" it.


It would make no
sense for PETA to dump animal bodies in trash
bins as a policy.


Their entire existence makes no sense, except for
purposes of self promotion.
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Old 20-01-2006, 09:18 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.food.vegan,talk.politics.animals
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Karen Winter lied:

SlipperySlope wrote:

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To be killed, which is all PeTA does to shelter animals.



Obviously not, since the hostile material cited by Wesley himself
indicated that some animals were placed.



NOTHING in Wesley's (not "Westley") balanced material - it's a news
story from the mainstream media, you dummy - indicates the PeTA
facility places *any* animals.



That is incorrect.


It isn't incorrect.


Reread the statistics he posted.


He didn't post any statistics; not in this thread,
anyway. Stop lying, Karen.
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Old 20-01-2006, 09:21 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.food.vegan,talk.politics.animals
SlipperySlope
 
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Karen Winter lied:

SlipperySlope wrote:

Karen Winter lied:



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Wesley *claimed* this.



No, he didn't.



Yes, he did.


No, he didn't. Stop lying, Karen - YOU first mentioned it.



He didn't mention it until *after* you did.



He was the one who mentioned it first.


No, you mentioned it first; sort of like a criminal
suspect blurting something out the police haven't even
mentioned.


I noted nothing he
posted supported his claim.


He didn't make the claim until *after* you brought up
"smothered". Stop lying, Karen.


Reread the material he posted.


I have - all three posts he has made in this thread.
You mentioned "smothered" first, in response to Dutch.
John Wesley's first mention is in reponse to yours.

Stop lying, Karen.
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Old 20-01-2006, 09:21 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.food.vegan,talk.politics.animals
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Karen Winter lied:

SlipperySlope wrote:

snip

PeTA MISREPRESENTS that they place any animals as pets. They don't -
they kill them.




That is false.


No, that's true. You're lying, Karen - typically.
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Old 20-01-2006, 09:40 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.food.vegan,talk.politics.animals
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SlipperySlope wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

Wesley *claimed* this.


He was the one who mentioned it first.


No, you mentioned it first


That is false. In a post on 1/18 at 7:54, Wesley wrote:

"Volunteers were convicted of smothering puppies in Virginia."

to which I responded:

"I don't believe it."

And indeed no one has presented any evidence Wesley's claim was true.

Google it yourself, if you like.

I don't really mind you calling me by a wrong name. It offers
me a bit of protection. But if you do not stop posting false
claims about what others have posted here, I will be forced to
killfile you.


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