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I love being a Vegan Newbie - Gratitude & Appreciaton Enclosed.
I am nearing my one year point and haven't felt this great in a long, long time. I still struggle with the Diary Products, ie... cakes, cookies, etc... Mostly eggs. I feel healther, less heavier, play congas much longer with stamina. I even have a deal with a local Chinese Restaurant to make tailor made dishes for me.
When I eat out with others they complain of a heavy feeling while I indicate I don't feel that any more. I now feel that being a Vegan is our next step up the evolutionary ladder. It's awesome. Thank you to all those that gave me advice last year this time. Ciao!!! Conga email me for webpage reqeustes. Insecurity is self-imposed. "Conga" |
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> I am nearing my one year point and haven't felt this great in a long, > long time. I still struggle with the Diary Products, ie... cakes, > cookies, etc... Mostly eggs. I feel healther, less heavier, play congas All anecdotal, especially the crap about banging on congas. > When I eat out with others they complain of a heavy feeling while I > indicate I don't feel that any more. I now feel that being a Vegan is > our next step up the evolutionary ladder. Wrong, it's several steps *down*. It was meat, and the fat from it, which ultimately separated man from apes with respect to cognitive abilities. See: http://www.pupress.princeton.edu/chapters/s6549.html Also see beyondveg.com. > Insecurity is self-imposed. So is ignorance, but too many of you insist it's bliss. |
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"usual suspect" > wrote in message
... > conga wrote: > > I am nearing my one year point and haven't felt this great in a long, > > long time. I still struggle with the Diary Products, ie... cakes, > > cookies, etc... Mostly eggs. I feel healther, less heavier, play congas > > All anecdotal, especially the crap about banging on congas. > > > When I eat out with others they complain of a heavy feeling while I > > indicate I don't feel that any more. I now feel that being a Vegan is > > our next step up the evolutionary ladder. > > Wrong, it's several steps *down*. It was meat, and the fat from it, > which ultimately separated man from apes with respect to cognitive > abilities. Then why didn't cognitive evolution happen to lions, tigers and pirhanas?? -- SN http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/ > See: > http://www.pupress.princeton.edu/chapters/s6549.html > Also see beyondveg.com. > > > Insecurity is self-imposed. > > So is ignorance, but too many of you insist it's bliss. |
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Scented Nectar wrote: > "usual suspect" > wrote in message > ... > > conga wrote: > > > I am nearing my one year point and haven't felt this great in a long, > > > long time. I still struggle with the Diary Products, ie... cakes, > > > cookies, etc... Mostly eggs. I feel healther, less heavier, play congas > > > > All anecdotal, especially the crap about banging on congas. > > > > > When I eat out with others they complain of a heavy feeling while I > > > indicate I don't feel that any more. I now feel that being a Vegan is > > > our next step up the evolutionary ladder. > > > > Wrong, it's several steps *down*. It was meat, and the fat from it, > > which ultimately separated man from apes with respect to cognitive > > abilities. > > Then why didn't cognitive evolution > happen to lions, tigers and pirhanas?? > I can't wait to see what kind of claptrap Useless will spew as an answer. > > -- > SN > http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/ > > > See: > > http://www.pupress.princeton.edu/chapters/s6549.html > > Also see beyondveg.com. > > > > > Insecurity is self-imposed. > > > > So is ignorance, but too many of you insist it's bliss. |
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Skanky wrote:
>>>I am nearing my one year point and haven't felt this great in a long, >>>long time. I still struggle with the Diary Products, ie... cakes, >>>cookies, etc... Mostly eggs. I feel healther, less heavier, play congas >> >>All anecdotal, especially the crap about banging on congas. >> >> >>>When I eat out with others they complain of a heavy feeling while I >>>indicate I don't feel that any more. I now feel that being a Vegan is >>>our next step up the evolutionary ladder. >> >>Wrong, it's several steps *down*. It was meat, and the fat from it, >>which ultimately separated man from apes with respect to cognitive >>abilities. > > Then why didn't cognitive evolution > happen to lions, tigers and pirhanas?? Each of those species *has* undergone its own cognitive evolution within the limits of its own genetic potential. So has every other species. Humans and other high primates (I'm still trying to figure out if this applies to you and knuckle-dragging prats like Dreck) have much greater genetic potential for cognition than the species you cited. |
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"usual suspect" > wrote in message
... > Skanky wrote: > >>>I am nearing my one year point and haven't felt this great in a long, > >>>long time. I still struggle with the Diary Products, ie... cakes, > >>>cookies, etc... Mostly eggs. I feel healther, less heavier, play congas > >> > >>All anecdotal, especially the crap about banging on congas. > >> > >> > >>>When I eat out with others they complain of a heavy feeling while I > >>>indicate I don't feel that any more. I now feel that being a Vegan is > >>>our next step up the evolutionary ladder. > >> > >>Wrong, it's several steps *down*. It was meat, and the fat from it, > >>which ultimately separated man from apes with respect to cognitive > >>abilities. > > > > Then why didn't cognitive evolution > > happen to lions, tigers and pirhanas?? > > Each of those species *has* undergone its own cognitive evolution within > the limits of its own genetic potential. So has every other species. > Humans and other high primates (I'm still trying to figure out if this > applies to you and knuckle-dragging prats like Dreck) have much greater > genetic potential for cognition than the species you cited. What a pathetic attempt at reason. If you really believed that, then why haven't you become (more) retarded by being vegetarian? Hypocrite. -- SN http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/ |
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Scented Nectar wrote: > "usual suspect" > wrote in message > ... > > Skanky wrote: > > >>>I am nearing my one year point and haven't felt this great in a long, > > >>>long time. I still struggle with the Diary Products, ie... cakes, > > >>>cookies, etc... Mostly eggs. I feel healther, less heavier, play > congas > > >> > > >>All anecdotal, especially the crap about banging on congas. > > >> > > >> > > >>>When I eat out with others they complain of a heavy feeling while I > > >>>indicate I don't feel that any more. I now feel that being a Vegan is > > >>>our next step up the evolutionary ladder. > > >> > > >>Wrong, it's several steps *down*. It was meat, and the fat from it, > > >>which ultimately separated man from apes with respect to cognitive > > >>abilities. > > > > > > Then why didn't cognitive evolution > > > happen to lions, tigers and pirhanas?? > > > > Each of those species *has* undergone its own cognitive evolution within > > the limits of its own genetic potential. So has every other species. > > Humans and other high primates (I'm still trying to figure out if this > > applies to you and knuckle-dragging prats like Dreck) have much greater > > genetic potential for cognition than the species you cited. > > What a pathetic attempt at reason. > If you really believed that, then why > haven't you become (more) retarded > by being vegetarian? Hypocrite. because he was as retarded as he could possibly be right from the beginning? That's my best guess given the evidence. ;o) > > > -- > SN > http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/ |
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oups.com... > > Scented Nectar wrote: > > "usual suspect" > wrote in message > > ... > > > Skanky wrote: > > > >>>I am nearing my one year point and haven't felt this great in a long, > > > >>>long time. I still struggle with the Diary Products, ie... cakes, > > > >>>cookies, etc... Mostly eggs. I feel healther, less heavier, play > > congas > > > >> > > > >>All anecdotal, especially the crap about banging on congas. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>When I eat out with others they complain of a heavy feeling while I > > > >>>indicate I don't feel that any more. I now feel that being a Vegan is > > > >>>our next step up the evolutionary ladder. > > > >> > > > >>Wrong, it's several steps *down*. It was meat, and the fat from it, > > > >>which ultimately separated man from apes with respect to cognitive > > > >>abilities. > > > > > > > > Then why didn't cognitive evolution > > > > happen to lions, tigers and pirhanas?? > > > > > > Each of those species *has* undergone its own cognitive evolution within > > > the limits of its own genetic potential. So has every other species. > > > Humans and other high primates (I'm still trying to figure out if this > > > applies to you and knuckle-dragging prats like Dreck) have much greater > > > genetic potential for cognition than the species you cited. > > > > What a pathetic attempt at reason. > > If you really believed that, then why > > haven't you become (more) retarded > > by being vegetarian? Hypocrite. > > > because he was as retarded as he could possibly be right from the > beginning? > > That's my best guess given the evidence. > > ;o) I'll bet he's too retarded to cite any studies saying that meat and fat eating causes cognitive evolution. It's one of the nuttiest things I've ever heard of. There are no such studies because Useless made it up. > > > > > > -- > > SN > > http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/ > |
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Skanky stupidly (what else is new) wrote:
>>>>>I am nearing my one year point and haven't felt this great in a long, >>>>>long time. I still struggle with the Diary Products, ie... cakes, >>>>>cookies, etc... Mostly eggs. I feel healther, less heavier, play > > congas > >>>>All anecdotal, especially the crap about banging on congas. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>When I eat out with others they complain of a heavy feeling while I >>>>>indicate I don't feel that any more. I now feel that being a Vegan is >>>>>our next step up the evolutionary ladder. >>>> >>>>Wrong, it's several steps *down*. It was meat, and the fat from it, >>>>which ultimately separated man from apes with respect to cognitive >>>>abilities. >>> >>>Then why didn't cognitive evolution >>>happen to lions, tigers and pirhanas?? >> >>Each of those species *has* undergone its own cognitive evolution within >>the limits of its own genetic potential. So has every other species. >>Humans and other high primates (I'm still trying to figure out if this >>applies to you and knuckle-dragging prats like Dreck) have much greater >>genetic potential for cognition than the species you cited. > > > What a pathetic attempt at reason. I suspect they don't discuss cognitive evolution on your soap operas. ...[T]hese marginal bipeds found a light at the end of the endless search-for-energy tunnel: meat. The meat came in the form of both small game animals, which could be captured and eaten raw, and the carcasses of animals, both small and large, for which the Promethean humans fanned out in search of each day. Meat eating provided a new and crucial source of protein, fat, and calories that may have enabled the evolution of bigger brains and helped our cognitive abilities to evolve. As meat eating became more important, our ancestors adopted new ways of life that resulted in a hominid that began to rule the planet. Being bipedal did not, contrary to popular conceptions, lead directly to brain expansion; the two events occurred millions of years apart in evolutionary time. The traditional view of human origins goes something like this: Six million years ago an ape ancestor left the comfort and security of the African forests for life on the savanna. Its new home offered many opportunities for advancement — including open country and a meat-rich diet that the old home lacked. The ape evolved a means of travel in which standing upright became not just a quick periscope but a way of life. Upright posture allowed our ancestors to carry tools, chunks of butchered carcass, and even babies. But the trade-off was enormous. Predators of every shape and size, from leopards to saber-toothed cats, wandered the grass searching for prey all day and night. The new stance left the emerging human without a means of rapidly escaping predators. The single advantage that allowed early humanity to survive, and turned the tide in favor of our lineage, was a rapidly expanding brain. Armed only with its wits, the runty little human eked out an existence for millions of years, eventually prospering and sending its progeny into the present as big-brained Homo sapiens. http://tinyurl.com/8odvy While the specific evolutionary factor(s) that drove the increase in human brain size are still being speculated about, one recent paper suggests that--whatever the causes--the evolutionary increase in brain size would not have been able to be supported physiologically without an increased intake of preformed long-chain fatty acids, which are an essential component in the formation of brain tissue. Lack of sufficient intake of long-chain fatty acids in the diet would therefore be a limiting factor on brain growth, and these are much richer in animal foods than plant. (Relative brain size development in herbivorous mammals was apparently limited by the amount of these fatty acids in plant food that was available to them.) Given the foods available in humanity's habitat during evolution, the necessary level of long-chain fatty acids to support the increasing size of the human brain would therefore presumably only have been available through increased intake of flesh. In addition, a recent analysis updating the picture of encephalization (relative brain size) changes in humans during our evolutionary history has revealed that human cranial capacity has decreased by 11% in the last 35,000 years, the bulk of it (8%) in the last 10,000 [Ruff, Trinkaus, and Holliday 1997]. Eaton [1998] notes that this correlates well with decreasing amounts of animal food in the human diet during this timeframe. (Of particular relevance here is that most of this decrease in animal foods correlates with the dawn of agriculture 10,000 years ago.) http://www.beyondveg.com/nicholson-w...erview1f.shtml See also: http://hcs.harvard.edu/~husn/BRAIN/vol2/Primate.html http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/72/6/1584-a Etc. |
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> I'll bet he's too retarded to cite any > studies saying that meat and fat eating > causes cognitive evolution. Wrong verb tense, Skanky. *Has caused*. > It's one of the nuttiest things I've ever heard of. Just because it's not on General Hospital doesn't make it nutty. > There are no such studies What alternative "atmosphere" are you in, Skanky? Maybe if you'd pull your head out of your ass... On second thought, why should you change at 43? ...[T]hese marginal bipeds found a light at the end of the endless search-for-energy tunnel: meat. The meat came in the form of both small game animals, which could be captured and eaten raw, and the carcasses of animals, both small and large, for which the Promethean humans fanned out in search of each day. Meat eating provided a new and crucial source of protein, fat, and calories that may have enabled the evolution of bigger brains and helped our cognitive abilities to evolve. As meat eating became more important, our ancestors adopted new ways of life that resulted in a hominid that began to rule the planet. Being bipedal did not, contrary to popular conceptions, lead directly to brain expansion; the two events occurred millions of years apart in evolutionary time. The traditional view of human origins goes something like this: Six million years ago an ape ancestor left the comfort and security of the African forests for life on the savanna. Its new home offered many opportunities for advancement — including open country and a meat-rich diet that the old home lacked. The ape evolved a means of travel in which standing upright became not just a quick periscope but a way of life. Upright posture allowed our ancestors to carry tools, chunks of butchered carcass, and even babies. But the trade-off was enormous. Predators of every shape and size, from leopards to saber-toothed cats, wandered the grass searching for prey all day and night. The new stance left the emerging human without a means of rapidly escaping predators. The single advantage that allowed early humanity to survive, and turned the tide in favor of our lineage, was a rapidly expanding brain. Armed only with its wits, the runty little human eked out an existence for millions of years, eventually prospering and sending its progeny into the present as big-brained Homo sapiens. http://tinyurl.com/8odvy While the specific evolutionary factor(s) that drove the increase in human brain size are still being speculated about, one recent paper suggests that--whatever the causes--the evolutionary increase in brain size would not have been able to be supported physiologically without an increased intake of preformed long-chain fatty acids, which are an essential component in the formation of brain tissue. Lack of sufficient intake of long-chain fatty acids in the diet would therefore be a limiting factor on brain growth, and these are much richer in animal foods than plant. (Relative brain size development in herbivorous mammals was apparently limited by the amount of these fatty acids in plant food that was available to them.) Given the foods available in humanity's habitat during evolution, the necessary level of long-chain fatty acids to support the increasing size of the human brain would therefore presumably only have been available through increased intake of flesh. In addition, a recent analysis updating the picture of encephalization (relative brain size) changes in humans during our evolutionary history has revealed that human cranial capacity has decreased by 11% in the last 35,000 years, the bulk of it (8%) in the last 10,000 [Ruff, Trinkaus, and Holliday 1997]. Eaton [1998] notes that this correlates well with decreasing amounts of animal food in the human diet during this timeframe. (Of particular relevance here is that most of this decrease in animal foods correlates with the dawn of agriculture 10,000 years ago.) http://www.beyondveg.com/nicholson-w...erview1f.shtml See also: http://hcs.harvard.edu/~husn/BRAIN/vol2/Primate.html http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/72/6/1584-a Etc. |
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usual suspect wrote: > Skanky stupidly (what else is new) wrote: > >>>>>I am nearing my one year point and haven't felt this great in a long, > >>>>>long time. I still struggle with the Diary Products, ie... cakes, > >>>>>cookies, etc... Mostly eggs. I feel healther, less heavier, play > > > > congas > > > >>>>All anecdotal, especially the crap about banging on congas. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>When I eat out with others they complain of a heavy feeling while I > >>>>>indicate I don't feel that any more. I now feel that being a Vegan is > >>>>>our next step up the evolutionary ladder. > >>>> > >>>>Wrong, it's several steps *down*. It was meat, and the fat from it, > >>>>which ultimately separated man from apes with respect to cognitive > >>>>abilities. > >>> > >>>Then why didn't cognitive evolution > >>>happen to lions, tigers and pirhanas?? > >> > >>Each of those species *has* undergone its own cognitive evolution within > >>the limits of its own genetic potential. So has every other species. > >>Humans and other high primates (I'm still trying to figure out if this > >>applies to you and knuckle-dragging prats like Dreck) have much greater > >>genetic potential for cognition than the species you cited. > > > > > > What a pathetic attempt at reason. > > I suspect they don't discuss cognitive evolution on your soap operas. > > ...[T]hese marginal bipeds found a light at the end of the > endless search-for-energy tunnel: meat. The meat came in the > form of both small game animals, which could be captured and > eaten raw, and the carcasses of animals, both small and large, > for which the Promethean humans fanned out in search of each > day. > > Meat eating provided a new and crucial source of protein, fat, > and calories that may have enabled the evolution of bigger > brains and helped our cognitive abilities to evolve. The key words here are "MAY HAVE". This is pure opinion to reinforce the opinion that meat eating is somehow beneficial. If you wish to promote this unsubstantiated-with-evidence opinion, you may have to explain why with all the fat being eaten that brains aren't continually getting bigger. You are a scam artist and promoter of junk science and that is why you are known as USELESS! As meat > eating became more important, our ancestors adopted new ways of > life that resulted in a hominid that began to rule the planet. > Being bipedal did not, contrary to popular conceptions, lead > directly to brain expansion; the two events occurred millions of > years apart in evolutionary time. > > The traditional view of human origins goes something like this: > Six million years ago an ape ancestor left the comfort and > security of the African forests for life on the savanna. Its new > home offered many opportunities for advancement - including open > country and a meat-rich diet that the old home lacked. The ape > evolved a means of travel in which standing upright became not > just a quick periscope but a way of life. Upright posture > allowed our ancestors to carry tools, chunks of butchered > carcass, and even babies. > > But the trade-off was enormous. Predators of every shape and > size, from leopards to saber-toothed cats, wandered the grass > searching for prey all day and night. The new stance left the > emerging human without a means of rapidly escaping predators. > > The single advantage that allowed early humanity to survive, and > turned the tide in favor of our lineage, was a rapidly expanding > brain. Armed only with its wits, the runty little human eked out > an existence for millions of years, eventually prospering and > sending its progeny into the present as big-brained Homo > sapiens. > http://tinyurl.com/8odvy > > > > While the specific evolutionary factor(s) that drove the > increase in human brain size are still being speculated about, > one recent paper suggests that--whatever the causes--the > evolutionary increase in brain size would not have been able to > be supported physiologically without an increased intake of > preformed long-chain fatty acids, which are an essential > component in the formation of brain tissue. > > Lack of sufficient intake of long-chain fatty acids in the diet > would therefore be a limiting factor on brain growth, and these > are much richer in animal foods than plant. (Relative brain size > development in herbivorous mammals was apparently limited by the > amount of these fatty acids in plant food that was available to > them.) Given the foods available in humanity's habitat during > evolution, the necessary level of long-chain fatty acids to > support the increasing size of the human brain would therefore > presumably only have been available through increased intake of > flesh. > > In addition, a recent analysis updating the picture of > encephalization (relative brain size) changes in humans during > our evolutionary history has revealed that human cranial > capacity has decreased by 11% in the last 35,000 years, the bulk > of it (8%) in the last 10,000 [Ruff, Trinkaus, and Holliday > 1997]. Eaton [1998] notes that this correlates well with > decreasing amounts of animal food in the human diet during this > timeframe. (Of particular relevance here is that most of this > decrease in animal foods correlates with the dawn of agriculture > 10,000 years ago.) > http://www.beyondveg.com/nicholson-w...erview1f.shtml > > > See also: > http://hcs.harvard.edu/~husn/BRAIN/vol2/Primate.html > http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/72/6/1584-a > > Etc. |
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