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Old 04-12-2005, 07:20 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.food.vegan
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"pearl" wrote in message ...
"Scented Nectar" wrote in message ...

So far I've tested the first 2 on the list.
They download, but they won't let me
post. I'll try the next few a bit later.


Ok... looks like those are 'read only'.

I'm looking here- http://www.disenter.com/ .


Nope. I've tried five. It's harder than I thought.

Scented, as a very long shot.. try mine -
set an account with news.iol.ie ...
(Tools - Accounts - Add ... )

Good luck. I'll keep looking.



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Old 04-12-2005, 07:25 PM posted to alt.food.vegan
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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:41:05 GMT, "S. Maizlich"
wrote:


In some sense, although less of a sense than in the
U.S., Canadians *do* approve of this. Canada is a
modern democracy, and your judges are not imposed on
you by some autocrat whom you didn't elect.

The sense in which Canadians didn't necessarily approve
of this outcome is that Canadians are just
characteristically more accepting of Big Government
than are Americans. There a stronger sense up there
that if the state (executive/legislative/judicial)
decides something it must be right, because They Know
What's Best. In the U.S., there's a much stronger
streak of "throw the ****ers out!"


Sorry, but.....
No, there is NO general approval of this absurdity of justice here in
Canada. Lethargic outrage at best against the idiocy of of a foolhardy
criminal justice system that rarely sways from its 'old British' nutty
attitude regarding this 'deal with the devil'. More public hatred was
focused on Paul Bernardo [with calls for a return to capital
punishment outside his trial]. The husband/wife serial killer duo
phenomenom is an oddity up in Canada compared to such frequencies seen
in the States. On that token some public[ignorant] leeway gave into
not condemning Homolka as much [ particulrly after seeing a publicized
photo of her battered face from Bernardo in a fit of rage] and some
yielding was made in getting any deal possible that would seal the
fate of Bernardo seeing as at the time the irrefutable damning
evidence in the form of Bernardo's video of his crimes was kept hidden
by his lawyer [ who for his part got a slap on the wrist].

So, no there is no acceptance of the deal and its ludicrous dispensing
of justice, but there is a general acceptance that getting Canada's
criminal justice system to be re-idesign itself into something less
aloof and act as a system for the people IS definately like beating
one's head against a wall. The few major changes by the Canadian
justice system swayed by outraged people up here in recent times, was
increasing prison time for murderous young offenders, and getting rid
of the 'drunk' defence lawyers loved to use; 'It wasn't MY fault I
commited the crime [ie, manslaughter/drunken homidice]- I was drunk.'

And remember the general reputation too in the States where many a
time dangerous offenders[repeat too]/killers are released, and sooner
or later this process costs more innocent victims' lives.

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Old 04-12-2005, 07:45 PM posted to alt.food.vegan
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Joe wrote:
Sorry, but.....
No, there is NO general approval of this absurdity of justice here in
Canada. Lethargic outrage at best against the idiocy of of a foolhardy
criminal justice system that rarely sways from its 'old British' nutty
attitude regarding this 'deal with the devil'. More public hatred was
focused on Paul Bernardo [with calls for a return to capital
punishment outside his trial]. The husband/wife serial killer duo
phenomenom is an oddity up in Canada compared to such frequencies seen
in the States.


Care to revise your statement?
http://www.crimezzz.net/serialkiller...country/ca.php
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Old 04-12-2005, 07:48 PM posted to alt.food.vegan
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On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 17:54:08 GMT, usual suspect
wrote:

Joe wrote:
He's also been paying taxes and/or insurance premiums his adult life; if
not, someone else has been. Stop the bullshit that it's "free"


True enough it's not free. But it certainly feels that way when one is
in such a case like his.


It doesn't matter how it "feels" -- it isn't free.


I'll put it another way. The burden of having to possibly pay a hefty
fee for a completed medical procedure does not loom over you.

care is overrated, creates waiting lists (many Canadians still come to
the US for care) and rationing of services, etc.


Not too many really.


On Jan. 18, 2003, the Canadian Press carried the headline, “Send
cancer patients to U.S., Alberta MDs urge.” The story begins,
“Breast-cancer patients whose wait to see a specialist has
jumped up to eight weeks from less than four should be sent out
of province for treatment, the president of the Alberta Medical
Association says....”

[i]t isn’t against the law for Canadians to cross the U.S.
border and pay for care they can’t get in Canada. In fact, the
U.S. has become the safety valve for a foreign health care
system that would implode economically and politically without
access to U.S. doctors, hospitals and drugs.

On Jan. 16, 2000, the New York Times titled a story, “Full
Hospitals Make Canadians Wait and Look South.” The article
concludes: “As a result, Canada has moved informally to a
two-tier, public-private system. Although private practice is
limited to dentists and veterinarians, 90 percent of Canadians
live within 100 miles of the United States, and many people are
crossing the border for private care.”
http://www.usanext.org/full_story.cf...&category_id=5

See also:
http://www.pacificresearch.org/press...3-10-17sp.html

That link is quite true in its facts. My friend was indeed in a
critical [unbeknonwnst to him] situation, so due to that fact
immediate consideration was given. However, surgeries tend to indeed
crawl along here unfortunately. Private medical insurance is an option
up here to offset such dilemnas.

Only the wealthy can pursue that course.


I concede it takes means to be able to pay medical bills, but I also
doubt that desperation for urgent care takes a back seat to wealth.

The rest of us can't afford it -


I doubt you'd wait for "free care" if you're too concerned to wait to
see a specialist or have a procedure which is back-logged.


Yes I agree. In actuality though for those [in Canada] who definately
cannot afford such essential procedures you'll find many a time public
donation drives will take place to pay for such costs involved.

we're paying in part for the 'free' health
care


Not in part, in *whole*. You're also getting less and less for it as
costs rise, as doctors flee for more profitable environs, etc. Were it
not for the administrative costs (i.e., trying to cover everyone's ass
from trial lawyers) associated with US health care, we would have a less
expensive system with better benefits than Canada has.


A presumption on my part, but I think the lawyers up here may be
horribly worse regarding stretching out cases of all kinds with delays
and postponements. You may find of interest in looking at Ontario's
[Canada] 'No fault' car insurance system, enacted to a number of years
ago to offset the snail pace court proceedings at the time.

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Old 04-12-2005, 08:01 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.food.vegan
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"pearl" wrote in message
...
"pearl" wrote in message

...
"Scented Nectar" wrote in message

...

So far I've tested the first 2 on the list.
They download, but they won't let me
post. I'll try the next few a bit later.


Ok... looks like those are 'read only'.

I'm looking here- http://www.disenter.com/ .


Nope. I've tried five. It's harder than I thought.

Scented, as a very long shot.. try mine -
set an account with news.iol.ie ...
(Tools - Accounts - Add ... )

Good luck. I'll keep looking.


The 'disenter' site looks good. It
says whether or not posting is allowed.


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/




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Old 04-12-2005, 08:15 PM posted to alt.food.vegan
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Joe wrote:
He's also been paying taxes and/or insurance premiums his adult life; if
not, someone else has been. Stop the bullshit that it's "free"

True enough it's not free. But it certainly feels that way when one is
in such a case like his.


It doesn't matter how it "feels" -- it isn't free.


I'll put it another way. The burden of having to possibly pay a hefty
fee for a completed medical procedure does not loom over you.


It doesn't hang over anyone here with insurance, either. I know, though,
that my company spends a very large sum so that I don't have to worry
about disease or injury. It's not free to my company, and it's really
not free to me, either, in the sense that it's a benefit that comes at
the expense of higher pay, etc.

care is overrated, creates waiting lists (many Canadians still come to
the US for care) and rationing of services, etc.

Not too many really.


On Jan. 18, 2003, the Canadian Press carried the headline, “Send
cancer patients to U.S., Alberta MDs urge.” The story begins,
“Breast-cancer patients whose wait to see a specialist has
jumped up to eight weeks from less than four should be sent out
of province for treatment, the president of the Alberta Medical
Association says....”

[i]t isn’t against the law for Canadians to cross the U.S.
border and pay for care they can’t get in Canada. In fact, the
U.S. has become the safety valve for a foreign health care
system that would implode economically and politically without
access to U.S. doctors, hospitals and drugs.

On Jan. 16, 2000, the New York Times titled a story, “Full
Hospitals Make Canadians Wait and Look South.” The article
concludes: “As a result, Canada has moved informally to a
two-tier, public-private system. Although private practice is
limited to dentists and veterinarians, 90 percent of Canadians
live within 100 miles of the United States, and many people are
crossing the border for private care.”
http://www.usanext.org/full_story.cf...&category_id=5

See also:
http://www.pacificresearch.org/press...3-10-17sp.html


That link is quite true in its facts. My friend was indeed in a
critical [unbeknonwnst to him] situation, so due to that fact
immediate consideration was given. However, surgeries tend to indeed
crawl along here unfortunately. Private medical insurance is an option
up here to offset such dilemnas.


I don't think you'd put your concerns about your own survival behind
considerations about how to pay for care in the US. The fact is, our
system -- whatever its flaws are -- remains a safety valve for those
facing rationed care (a line is a ration) in Canada; the Canadian system
does some things very well, but fails at many other things. Limited
access is NOT a feature I would find very appealing. I wouldn't have to
wait days (or weeks) for care here if I needed it.

Only the wealthy can pursue that course.


I concede it takes means to be able to pay medical bills, but I also
doubt that desperation for urgent care takes a back seat to wealth.

The rest of us can't afford it -


I doubt you'd wait for "free care" if you're too concerned to wait to
see a specialist or have a procedure which is back-logged.


Yes I agree. In actuality though for those [in Canada] who definately
cannot afford such essential procedures you'll find many a time public
donation drives will take place to pay for such costs involved.


Dittos here for those who lack insurance or whose expenses exceed their
coverage and ability to pay. It seems like we have benefits here in
Austin, the live music capital of the world, for musicians and their
families; they often lack health insurance.

we're paying in part for the 'free' health
care


Not in part, in *whole*. You're also getting less and less for it as
costs rise, as doctors flee for more profitable environs, etc. Were it
not for the administrative costs (i.e., trying to cover everyone's ass
from trial lawyers) associated with US health care, we would have a less
expensive system with better benefits than Canada has.


A presumption on my part, but I think the lawyers up here may be
horribly worse regarding stretching out cases of all kinds with delays
and postponements.


I don't care to boast about one nation's (especially mine) lawyers over
another nation's, but I'm not taking your word that yours are worse. I
know there are good lawyers who seek justice and a group of parasites
who suck off society through barratry and give the legal profession a
bad name in every country. Just seems we have more than our share of
lawyers (especially from the latter group).
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Old 04-12-2005, 08:17 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.food.vegan
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poor Skanky wrote:
The 'disenter' site looks good.


Only because you don't need a credit card for it.
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Old 04-12-2005, 08:19 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.food.vegan
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Skanky whined:
Thanks, but even for their free service
they want my credit card info.

You don't have a credit card, slacker. You need an income above and
beyond welfare to have one.

Still fishing


No fishing reqired, Skanky. You're a carless, unambitious, dope-smoking
wastrel -- not the kind of person companies would extend credit.


Good


I agree. Bad risks like you drive up their operating costs, requiring
them to charge more to good customers who pay their bills on time (or at
all).


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