C. James Strutz wrote:
> "usual suspect" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Skanky wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>Tonight on ABC:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A backwoods, hunting mom whose motto is "Kill it and grill it"
>>>>>>>>swaps places with an animal activist mother who eats only raw
>>>>>>>>food and has a vegan pet cat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This will be the second consecutive week of the show featuring
>>>
>>>leftwing
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>marginals. A "freegan" family appeared in last week's episode --
>>>>>>>>complete with dumpster diving and begging for morsels.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I just saw the first 5 minutes and
>>>>>>>had to change the channel. She's
>>>>>>>a complete kook, and not
>>>>>>>representitive of most vegans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Question -- have you forced your cat to adopt a veg-n diet yet? If not,
>>>>>>how many times have you considered it?
>>>>>
>>>>>Yet? No. My cat is meant by
>>>>>his physiology to be carnivorous.
>>>>>I would never try to turn him vegan.
>>>>
>>>>The physiology argument is both a non sequitur and a red herring --
>>>>you're a vegan "wannabe" even though your physiology is that of an
>>>>omnivore. There's no physiological reason for you to abstain completely
>>>
>>>>from meat, dairy, or eggs, nor is there a physiological reason for you
>>>
>>>>to avoid ingredients that *might* be derived from animals found on lists
>>>>on veg-n websites. Your reasons for avoiding meat, dairy, eggs, or even
>>>>possible derivative ingredients are *political* in nature; they are PART
>>>>OF THE VEGAN *FIGHT* and have nothing whatsoever to do with health or
>>>>physiology.
>>>
>>>That's funny coming from someone
>>>who has admitted that he's a
>>>vegetarian and that his reasons
>>>are for health (and aesthetics).
>>
>>The aesthetic reason is completely different. As for health, I don't read
>>through lists of ingredients looking for micrograms of animal parts to
>>excise from my diet. I've admitted that some of the foods I occasionally
>>eat have animal parts in them -- e.g., egg whites in pseudo-burgers. Egg
>>whites aren't deleterious to good health. Neither is fish oil in omega-3
>>supplements (and I'm taking those now).
>
> Actually, I'm thinking of doing the same thing. The latest issue of Men's
> Health magazine has an article on omega-3s. They confirm all the things that
> we had discussed before. Additionally, they say that the conversion of ALA
> (from plants, etc.) into EPA and DHA by the liver is very inefficient - on
> the order of 5% to 15%. Fish oil contains ALA directly.

Let me know if you want a recommendation, particularly if you want a
brand that doesn't cause fishy burps.

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> C. James Strutz wrote:
>> "usual suspect" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Skanky wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>Tonight on ABC:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>A backwoods, hunting mom whose motto is "Kill it and grill it"
>>>>>>>>>swaps places with an animal activist mother who eats only raw
>>>>>>>>>food and has a vegan pet cat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>This will be the second consecutive week of the show featuring
>>>>
>>>>leftwing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>marginals. A "freegan" family appeared in last week's episode --
>>>>>>>>>complete with dumpster diving and begging for morsels.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I just saw the first 5 minutes and
>>>>>>>>had to change the channel. She's
>>>>>>>>a complete kook, and not
>>>>>>>>representitive of most vegans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Question -- have you forced your cat to adopt a veg-n diet yet? If
>>>>>>>not,
>>>>>>>how many times have you considered it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yet? No. My cat is meant by
>>>>>>his physiology to be carnivorous.
>>>>>>I would never try to turn him vegan.
>>>>>
>>>>>The physiology argument is both a non sequitur and a red herring --
>>>>>you're a vegan "wannabe" even though your physiology is that of an
>>>>>omnivore. There's no physiological reason for you to abstain completely
>>>>
>>>>>from meat, dairy, or eggs, nor is there a physiological reason for you
>>>>
>>>>>to avoid ingredients that *might* be derived from animals found on
>>>>>lists
>>>>>on veg-n websites. Your reasons for avoiding meat, dairy, eggs, or even
>>>>>possible derivative ingredients are *political* in nature; they are
>>>>>PART
>>>>>OF THE VEGAN *FIGHT* and have nothing whatsoever to do with health or
>>>>>physiology.
>>>>
>>>>That's funny coming from someone
>>>>who has admitted that he's a
>>>>vegetarian and that his reasons
>>>>are for health (and aesthetics).
>>>
>>>The aesthetic reason is completely different. As for health, I don't read
>>>through lists of ingredients looking for micrograms of animal parts to
>>>excise from my diet. I've admitted that some of the foods I occasionally
>>>eat have animal parts in them -- e.g., egg whites in pseudo-burgers. Egg
>>>whites aren't deleterious to good health. Neither is fish oil in omega-3
>>>supplements (and I'm taking those now).
>>
>> Actually, I'm thinking of doing the same thing. The latest issue of Men's
>> Health magazine has an article on omega-3s. They confirm all the things
>> that we had discussed before. Additionally, they say that the conversion
>> of ALA (from plants, etc.) into EPA and DHA by the liver is very
>> inefficient - on the order of 5% to 15%. Fish oil contains ALA directly.
>
> Let me know if you want a recommendation, particularly if you want a brand
> that doesn't cause fishy burps.

Pure Encapsulations has a fish oil supplement
(http://www.purecaps.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=ED11 ), which I can get from my
sister at cost, but I'd be interested to know what you recommend.

C. James Strutz wrote:
<...>
>>>>The aesthetic reason is completely different. As for health, I don't read
>>>>through lists of ingredients looking for micrograms of animal parts to
>>>>excise from my diet. I've admitted that some of the foods I occasionally
>>>>eat have animal parts in them -- e.g., egg whites in pseudo-burgers. Egg
>>>>whites aren't deleterious to good health. Neither is fish oil in omega-3
>>>>supplements (and I'm taking those now).
>>>
>>>Actually, I'm thinking of doing the same thing. The latest issue of Men's
>>>Health magazine has an article on omega-3s. They confirm all the things
>>>that we had discussed before. Additionally, they say that the conversion
>>>of ALA (from plants, etc.) into EPA and DHA by the liver is very
>>>inefficient - on the order of 5% to 15%. Fish oil contains ALA directly.
>>
>>Let me know if you want a recommendation, particularly if you want a brand
>>that doesn't cause fishy burps.
>
> Pure Encapsulations has a fish oil supplement
> (http://www.purecaps.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=ED11 ), which I can get from my
> sister at cost, but I'd be interested to know what you recommend.

http://www.coromega.com/index3.html

It comes in a squeeze packet (like an energy gel), has a pleasant orange
flavor, and has a pudding-like consistency. It has egg yolk in it as an
emulsifier. You're not vegan, so no big deal. The site has a form for
free samples.

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> C. James Strutz wrote:
> <...>
>>>>>The aesthetic reason is completely different. As for health, I don't
>>>>>read through lists of ingredients looking for micrograms of animal
>>>>>parts to excise from my diet. I've admitted that some of the foods I
>>>>>occasionally eat have animal parts in them -- e.g., egg whites in
>>>>>pseudo-burgers. Egg whites aren't deleterious to good health. Neither
>>>>>is fish oil in omega-3 supplements (and I'm taking those now).
>>>>
>>>>Actually, I'm thinking of doing the same thing. The latest issue of
>>>>Men's Health magazine has an article on omega-3s. They confirm all the
>>>>things that we had discussed before. Additionally, they say that the
>>>>conversion of ALA (from plants, etc.) into EPA and DHA by the liver is
>>>>very inefficient - on the order of 5% to 15%. Fish oil contains ALA
>>>>directly.
>>>
>>>Let me know if you want a recommendation, particularly if you want a
>>>brand that doesn't cause fishy burps.
>>
>> Pure Encapsulations has a fish oil supplement
>> (http://www.purecaps.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=ED11 ), which I can get from my
>> sister at cost, but I'd be interested to know what you recommend.
>
> http://www.coromega.com/index3.html
>
> It comes in a squeeze packet (like an energy gel), has a pleasant orange
> flavor, and has a pudding-like consistency. It has egg yolk in it as an
> emulsifier. You're not vegan, so no big deal. The site has a form for free
> samples.

Huh, interesting stuff. Thanks...

"C. James Strutz" > wrote in message ...
>
> "usual suspect" > wrote in message
> ...
> > C. James Strutz wrote:
> > <...>
> >>>>>The aesthetic reason is completely different. As for health, I don't
> >>>>>read through lists of ingredients looking for micrograms of animal
> >>>>>parts to excise from my diet. I've admitted that some of the foods I
> >>>>>occasionally eat have animal parts in them -- e.g., egg whites in
> >>>>>pseudo-burgers. Egg whites aren't deleterious to good health. Neither
> >>>>>is fish oil in omega-3 supplements (and I'm taking those now).
> >>>>
> >>>>Actually, I'm thinking of doing the same thing. The latest issue of
> >>>>Men's Health magazine has an article on omega-3s. They confirm all the
> >>>>things that we had discussed before. Additionally, they say that the
> >>>>conversion of ALA (from plants, etc.) into EPA and DHA by the liver is
> >>>>very inefficient - on the order of 5% to 15%. Fish oil contains ALA
> >>>>directly.
> >>>
> >>>Let me know if you want a recommendation, particularly if you want a
> >>>brand that doesn't cause fishy burps.
> >>
> >> Pure Encapsulations has a fish oil supplement
> >> (http://www.purecaps.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=ED11 ), which I can get from my
> >> sister at cost, but I'd be interested to know what you recommend.
> >
> > http://www.coromega.com/index3.html
> >
> > It comes in a squeeze packet (like an energy gel), has a pleasant orange
> > flavor, and has a pudding-like consistency. It has egg yolk in it as an
> > emulsifier. You're not vegan, so no big deal. The site has a form for free
> > samples.
>
> Huh, interesting stuff. Thanks...

Fish-oil salesman.

'.. Not only did a study in 1997 find no support for the hypothesized
link between fish omega-3 fatty acids and coronary heart disease risk
reduction, the researchers actually found that consumption of fish
omega-3 fatty acids was associated with up to a 30% increased risk
of coronary death.24 Other more recent research by Burr et al found
that male angina patients given advice to eat oily fish also had a higher
risk of cardiac death, particularly in those supplied with fish oil
supplements.25 In another study, eight out of 11 adolescents
experienced nosebleeds whilst taking fish oil supplements for treatment
of genetically related high cholesterol levels.26 And a systematic review
of published papers investigating whether marine fatty acids can reduce
the risk of certain cancers, like breast and prostate cancer, failed to
show any such beneficial association.27
....
http://www.vegetarian.org.uk/fish/reporttext.htm#no

'Given the rate of conversion of ALA to EPA and DHA, it has been suggested
that a safe and adequate ratio for the vegetarian and vegan populations would be
in the range of 2:1-4:1 (22). This can best be achieved by increasing ALA in the
diet and decreasing LA, if indicated (see below).
...
... it is important to ensure that there are sufficient amounts of ALA, which is
necessary for the production of EPA and DHA. Most healthy vegetarians
would be well advised to double their intake of ALA, providing 1% of
energy from n-3 fatty acids or 1.1 g/1000 cal. For those with increased needs
or decreased capacity to convert, an intake of 2% of energy or 2.2 g/1000 cal
may be necessary. The primary sources of ALA are selected seeds, nuts, and
legumes (flaxseed, hempseed, canola, walnuts, and soy) and the green leaves
of plants, including phytoplankton and algae.
...
Practical guidelines for achieving optimal EFA intake in vegetarians are as
follows. 1) Make a wide variety of whole plant foods the foundation of the diet.
2) Get most fat from whole foods-nuts, seeds, olives, avocados, and soy foods.
3) If using concentrated fats and oils, select those rich in monounsaturated fats,
such as olive, canola, or nut oils. n-3-Rich oils can also be used but should not
be heated. Moderate use of n-6-rich oils is recommended. 4) Limit intake of
processed foods and deep-fried foods rich in trans and n-6 fatty acids.
5) Reduce intake of foods rich in saturated fat and cholesterol. 6) Include
foods rich in n-3 fatty acids in the daily diet. Aim for 2-4 g ALA/d.
7) Consider using a direct source of DHA. Aim for 100-300 mg/d. '
...
For those with increased needs for EPA and DHA (eg, pregnant and
lactating women) or at greater risk for poor conversion (persons with
diabetes, those with neurological disorders, premature infants, the elderly),
it may be prudent to ensure that there is a direct source of EPA and DHA.'

While they are the original sources of EPA and DHA (fish do not produce
long-chain n-3 fatty acids), most are not concentrated sources because of
their extremely low total fat content. An important exception is a DHA-rich
microalgae that provides 10-40% DHA by dry weight and is currently
available in supplement form. When supplementing with a direct DHA
source, 100-300 mg/d is recommended. Blue-green algae (spirulina and
Aphanizomenon flos-aquae) are low in long-chain n-3 fatty acids. Spirulina
is rich in -linolenic acid (GLA, n-6), while A. flos-aquae is more
concentrated in ALA. Though blue-green algae is not a significant source
of EPA or DHA, some research indicates that it has a very high conversion
rate in comparison to other plants (R Kushak et al, unpublished observations,
1999). Macroalgae, otherwise known as seaweed, is even lower in fat than
most vegetables (< 1-14% of calories from fat), although it does contain
small amounts of long-chain fatty acids. A 100-g serving provides, on
average, 100 mg EPA but little DHA. Seaweeds do not contribute
significantly to EPA intakes in the Western world but are important sources
where people use large quantities of seaweed on a daily basis (eg, Japan
and other parts of Asia). Thus, while vegetarians can rely on eggs and/or
microalgae supplements for DHA, most consume little if any EPA.
However, < 10-11% of DHA is retroconverted to EPA; thus, if sufficient
ALA and DHA are consumed, total EPA production would be expected
to be adequate (61).
...'
http://tinyurl.com/65xn7

BULLSHIT sales-flack lied:
> "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message ...
> >
> > "usual suspect" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > C. James Strutz wrote:
> > > <...>
> > >>>>>The aesthetic reason is completely different. As for health, I don't
> > >>>>>read through lists of ingredients looking for micrograms of animal
> > >>>>>parts to excise from my diet. I've admitted that some of the foods I
> > >>>>>occasionally eat have animal parts in them -- e.g., egg whites in
> > >>>>>pseudo-burgers. Egg whites aren't deleterious to good health. Neither
> > >>>>>is fish oil in omega-3 supplements (and I'm taking those now).
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Actually, I'm thinking of doing the same thing. The latest issue of
> > >>>>Men's Health magazine has an article on omega-3s. They confirm all the
> > >>>>things that we had discussed before. Additionally, they say that the
> > >>>>conversion of ALA (from plants, etc.) into EPA and DHA by the liver is
> > >>>>very inefficient - on the order of 5% to 15%. Fish oil contains ALA
> > >>>>directly.
> > >>>
> > >>>Let me know if you want a recommendation, particularly if you want a
> > >>>brand that doesn't cause fishy burps.
> > >>
> > >> Pure Encapsulations has a fish oil supplement
> > >> (http://www.purecaps.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=ED11 ), which I can get from my
> > >> sister at cost, but I'd be interested to know what you recommend.
> > >
> > > http://www.coromega.com/index3.html
> > >
> > > It comes in a squeeze packet (like an energy gel), has a pleasant orange
> > > flavor, and has a pudding-like consistency. It has egg yolk in it as an
> > > emulsifier. You're not vegan, so no big deal. The site has a form for free
> > > samples.
> >
> > Huh, interesting stuff. Thanks...
>
> Fish-oil salesman.

Shut up, BULLSHIT sales-whore.

'As reviewed by Stone,1 three prospective epidemiological studies
within populations reported that men who ate at least some fish weekly
had a lower coronary heart disease (CHD) mortality rate than that of
men who ate none.3-6 More recent evidence that fish consumption
favorably affects CHD mortality, especially nonsudden death from
myocardial infarction (MI), has been reported in a 30-year follow-up of
the Chicago Western Electric Study.7 Men who consumed 35 g or more of
fish daily compared with those who consumed none had a relative risk of
death from CHD of 0.62 and a relative risk of nonsudden death from MI
of 0.33. In an ecological study conducted by Zhang et al,8 fish
consumption was associated with a reduced risk from all-cause, ischemic
heart disease and stroke mortality across 36 countries. In addition, in
a study of Japanese living in Japan or Brazil, Mizushima et al9
reported a dose-response relationship between the frequency of weekly
fish intake and reduced CVD risk factors (eg, obesity, hypertension,
glycohemoglobin, ST-T segment change on the ECG).
....
Some studies have not reported a beneficial association of fish
consumption and CHD mortality. In the Health Professionals' Follow-up
Study,11 no significant association was observed between fish intake
(and omega-3 fatty acids) and risk of any CHD (ie, fatal coronary
disease including sudden death, nonfatal MI, coronary artery bypass
grafting, or angioplasty). Likewise, the US Physicians' Health Study
did not show an association between fish consumption (or omega-3 fatty
acid intake) and reduced risk of total MI, nonsudden cardiac death, or
total cardiovascular mortality.12 In contrast, however, fish
consumption was related to a reduced risk of total mortality.
....
Fish consumption has been shown to be related to reduced sudden cardiac
death. In a population-based, nested, case-control study, a strong
negative relationship was reported between fish intake and risk for
sudden death (ie, 5.5 g of omega-3 fatty acids per month, equivalent to
two fatty fish meals per week, was associated with a 50% reduced risk
of primary cardiac arrest).22 In the US Physicians' Health Study, men
who consumed fish at least once weekly had a relative risk of sudden
death of 0.48 (P=0.04) versus men who consumed fish less than once per
month.12
....
Omega-3 fatty acids have been shown in epidemiological and clinical
trials to reduce the incidence of CVD. Large-scale epidemiological
studies suggest that individuals at risk for CHD benefit from the
consumption of plant- and marine-derived omega-3 fatty acids, although
the ideal intakes presently are unclear. Evidence from prospective
secondary prevention studies suggests that EPA+DHA supplementation
ranging from 0.5 to 1.8 g/d (either as fatty fish or supplements)
significantly reduces subsequent cardiac and all-cause mortality. For
-linolenic acid, total intakes of 1.5 to 3 g/d seem to be beneficial.

Collectively, these data are supportive of the recommendation made by
the AHA Dietary Guidelines to include at least two servings of fish per
week (particularly fatty fish).
http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/cont...ll/106/21/2747


Conclusion: eat fish - it's good for your coronary health.

Lesley is a liar.

"usual suspect" > wrote in message ...
> pearl wrote:
> > "usual suspect" > wrote in message ...
> >
> >>>>>Sun gazing indeed.
> >>>>
> >>>>Lesley (aka pearl) is into that. Hahahahahaha!
> >
> >
> > Posting a news-story about it in 2003 is not proof of
> > that, and you know it.
>
> You wrote:

Diversion. You lied, suspect.

> The practice appears to have a spiritual element to it....
>
> Well, yes.. that is of course true, but, possibly not "in the
> first one hour after sunrise or the last one hour just before
> sunset. During this time, the sun rays are not too strong, and
> also the UV radiation etc is supposed to be lower, so no harm
> will come to the eyes." This man claims to have been doing this
> for years without being harmed. (If he were, it would have been
> discovered by NASA).
> http://tinyurl.com/9tp2o

In the original story:

"Last June, scientists from the US space agency verified that Manek
spent 130 days surviving only on water, the report said.
They even named this subsistence on water and solar energy after
him: The HRM (Hira Ratan Manek) Phenomenon. "
http://web.archive.org/web/200307041...825280652.html
["This article has been deleted."]

> And when you were informed the story was fake, you raised the issue of
> extended fasting in asceticism and suggested other people might be
> interested in fantastical claims by religious extremists.
> Just thought that may be of interest to someone else here.
> http://tinyurl.com/c6ez7

Ipse dixit, and therefore worthless. The author is an authority.
( http://www.aydos.net/_img/qigong/ftp.rtf [Word doc.].)

> You're a kook, a naïve little witch.

You're a poisonous little toad. You support-

US pResident Bush, member of a Satanic cult..
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...llandbones.htm

kooky?

"The owl is in his leafy temple, let within this grove be
reverend before him. Lift up your heads oh ye trees
and be lifted up ye everlasting fire - for behold he is
bohemia's pride and holy are the pillars of this house."

Q. Who is a member of this exclusive club which
enacts human sacrifice?
http://www.infowars.com/bg_photo_pj.html
http://www.infowars.com/video/Ours/bg_sacrifice.ram

A. 'Here you see a smug George W. Bush with his
father, Bush Senior (taken in 1995) giving what they
call a "lakeside chat" at the Grove. This page also
shows Newt Gingrich, another member. The talks
are given no less than a dozen yards from the stone
idol where "mock" human sacrifices take place.
This is the same idol you see featured above in the
Cremation of Care ceremony photo.
http://www.infowars.com/exclusive_new_bg.htm

> > You are lying
>
> This dude is impressive.
> -- gullible, wide-eyed Lesley: http://tinyurl.com/cgfht

In reference to a photo.

How's it going in Iraq, mr. 'support our troops'?

> The dude was a fraud. So are you.

You're a proven liar, usual cesspit.

whore Lesley lied:
> "usual suspect" > wrote in message ...
> > pearl wrote:
> > > "usual suspect" > wrote in message ...
> > >
> > >>>>>Sun gazing indeed.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Lesley (aka pearl) is into that. Hahahahahaha!
> > >
> > >
> > > Posting a news-story about it in 2003 is not proof of
> > > that, and you know it.
> >
> > You wrote:
>
> Diversion. You lied, suspect.

No, YOU lied, whore. It's another weird, bullshit belief you hold.


> > The practice appears to have a spiritual element to it....
> >
> > Well, yes.. that is of course true, but, possibly not "in the
> > first one hour after sunrise or the last one hour just before
> > sunset. During this time, the sun rays are not too strong, and
> > also the UV radiation etc is supposed to be lower, so no harm
> > will come to the eyes." This man claims to have been doing this
> > for years without being harmed. (If he were, it would have been
> > discovered by NASA).
> > http://tinyurl.com/9tp2o
>
> In the original story:
>
> "Last June, scientists from the US space agency verified that Manek
> spent 130 days surviving only on water, the report said.
> They even named this subsistence on water and solar energy after
> him: The HRM (Hira Ratan Manek) Phenomenon. "
> http://web.archive.org/web/200307041...825280652.html
> ["This article has been deleted."]

Oh, of course - how conVEEEEEEnient.

You whore.

>
> > And when you were informed the story was fake, you raised the issue of
> > extended fasting in asceticism and suggested other people might be
> > interested in fantastical claims by religious extremists.
> > Just thought that may be of interest to someone else here.
> > http://tinyurl.com/c6ez7
>
> Ipse dixit, and therefore worthless. The author is an authority.
> ( http://www.aydos.net/_img/qigong/ftp.rtf [Word doc.].)

'qigong' is bullshit; pure superstition.

"C. James Strutz" > wrote in message ...
>
> "usual suspect" > wrote in message
> ...
<..>
> >>>>You're a kook, a naïve little witch.
> >>>
> >>>She's a witch???? Neato. Hey
> >>>Pearl, can you conjure me up a
> >>>spell to make Useless and Jonni
> >>>polite? LOL
> >>
> >>
> >> Now this is funny! :^)
> >
> > You and Skanky are just too easily amused.
>
> Maybe so. While she's at it, maybe Pearl can conjure up a brain for Ricky.
> This is sounding more and more like the Wizard of Oz...

Hang on a sec'..... nope. A lake of fire and brimstone?

"Leif Erikson" > wrote in message ups.com...
> BULLSHIT sales-flack lied:
> > "C. James Strutz" > wrote in message ...
> > >
> > > "usual suspect" > wrote in message
> > > ...
<..>
> > > > It comes in a squeeze packet (like an energy gel), has a pleasant orange
> > > > flavor, and has a pudding-like consistency. It has egg yolk in it as an
> > > > emulsifier. You're not vegan, so no big deal. The site has a form for free
> > > > samples.
> > >
> > > Huh, interesting stuff. Thanks...
> >
> > Fish-oil salesman.
>
> Shut up, BULLSHIT sales-whore.

Faking quotes, forged posts, lies, filth, harassment.
http://www.iol.ie/~creature/boiled%20ball.html

Profile of a Sociopath
http://home.datawest.net/esn-recovery/artcls/socio.htm

> 'As reviewed by Stone,1 three prospective epidemiological studies
> within populations reported that men who ate at least some fish weekly
> had a lower coronary heart disease (CHD) mortality rate than that of
... etc.

'No benefit from fish for low-risk heart disease populations

Whilst fish may have a part to play in reducing risks of heart
disease in high-risk populations - i.e. those who have already
had a heart attack - the same cannot be said for low-risk heart
disease populations. A systemic review looking at the role of
fish in heart disease by Marckmann and Gronbaek in 1999
found that fish consumption is not associated with reduced
coronary heart disease mortality in low-risk populations.
They conclude that individuals at low-risk of heart disease and
with healthy lifestyles do not gain any additional protection
for the heart from eating fish. The authors also question
whether the apparent protection in high-risk individuals is
directly caused by eating the fish itself or whether the link
might be explained by other dietary or non-dietary
confounders.23
...'
http://www.vegetarian.org.uk/fish/reporttext.htm#no

whore Lesley lied:
> > In the original story:
>
> "Last June, scientists from the US space agency verified that Manek
> spent 130 days surviving only on water, the report said.
> They even named this subsistence on water and solar energy after
> him: The HRM (Hira Ratan Manek) Phenomenon. "
> http://web.archive.org/web/200307041...825280652.html
> ["This article has been deleted."]

Bullshit.

"San Francisco: After a thorough check with all its scientific officers
and regional offices throughout the US over two days, a NASA
spokesperson has denied it had invited Hira Ratan Manek in any official
capacity, or that it has anything to do with him.

Recent news reports had stated that Manek, a 64-year-old mechanical
engineer, who claims he has not eaten in eight years and lives on water
and solar energy, had been invited by NASA to New York to show them how
it was done.

The report stated that he had left for NASA on June 27.

However, NASA spokesperson Dolores Beasley said she had no idea why
press reports had claimed that NASA had invited Manek. "No one
checked with us," said Dolores, public affairs officer for biological
and physical research.

"We have no record of him being involved with us. We have checked
with all offices doing related research at centers such as Johnson,
Marshall and Ames."

"I am not saying that Manek is incorrect in whatever he is saying. As
of yet not a single scientist has come forward to verify that he has
anything to do with Manek.

"If anyone comes forward, we shall take that into consideration,"
she said.
Asked if that meant a NASA scientist might have invited Manek in his
personal capacity, she said, "NASA is not aware of it."

http://web.mid-day.com/news/world/2003/july/57637.htm


"NASA" - the United States National Aeronautics and Space
Administration - has never heard of "Manek".

"Leif Erikson" > wrote in message oups.com...

Faking quotes, forged posts, lies, filth, harassment.
http://www.iol.ie/~creature/boiled%20ball.html

Profile of a Sociopath
http://home.datawest.net/esn-recovery/artcls/socio.htm

pearl wrote:
>>>>>>>Sun gazing indeed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Lesley (aka pearl) is into that. Hahahahahaha!
>>>
>>>Posting a news-story about it in 2003 is not proof of
>>>that, and you know it.
>>
>>You wrote:
>
> Diversion.

Not a diversion -- I was right to the point. You wrote:
This dude is impressive.
-- gullible, wide-eyed Lesley: http://tinyurl.com/cgfht

> You lied, suspect.

You're the one who's lying and covering up your kooky beliefs.

<...>
> In the original story:
>
> "Last June, scientists from the US space agency verified that Manek
> spent 130 days surviving only on water, the report said.
> They even named this subsistence on water and solar energy after
> him: The HRM (Hira Ratan Manek) Phenomenon. "

You've given us the CRAP (Charlatan Reflexologist And Pseudoscientist)
Phenomenon. You're up to your eyes in it, too.

> http://web.archive.org/web/20030704121904/....

Learn to use tinyurl for long links.

> ["This article has been deleted."]

Gee, I wonder why. Could it be because it was BULLSHIT?

>>And when you were informed the story was fake, you raised the issue of
>>extended fasting in asceticism and suggested other people might be
>>interested in fantastical claims by religious extremists.
>>Just thought that may be of interest to someone else here.
>>http://tinyurl.com/c6ez7
>
> Ipse dixit,

No, it's established: see the thread.

>>You're a kook, a naïve little witch.
>
> You're a poisonous little toad.

Nahhhh, I'm a sweetheart.

>>> You are lying
>>
>>This dude is impressive.
>>-- gullible, wide-eyed Lesley: http://tinyurl.com/cgfht
>
> In reference to a photo.

More of your CRAP Phenomenon. Stop spinning.

>>The dude was a fraud. So are you.
>
> You're

I'm right. You know it, too. Sweet dreams, Les.

poxed whore Lesley lied:
> "Leif Erikson" > wrote in message oups.com...
>
> Faking quotes

Faking nothing, you **** charlatan quack.

Haven't heard from your solly, ****. He told you to **** off, didn't
he?

"Leif Erikson" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> poxed whore Lesley lied:
> > "Leif Erikson" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> >
> > Faking quotes
>
> Faking nothing, you **** charlatan quack.
>
> Haven't heard from your solly, ****. He told you to **** off, didn't
> he?

Seems you're diverting your posts
these days through Giganews and
Google. Did too many people
complain to Earthlink about you?


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/

Scented Nectar wrote:

> "Leif Erikson" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>
>>poxed whore Lesley lied:
>>
>>>"Leif Erikson" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
>>>Faking quotes
>>
>>Faking nothing, you **** charlatan quack.
>>
>>Haven't heard from your solly, ****. He told you to **** off, didn't
>>he?
>
>
> Seems you're diverting your posts
> these days through Giganews and
> Google. Did too many people
> complain to Earthlink about you?

No one complained to Earthlink.

Seems you're a stupid ****.

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> C. James Strutz wrote:
> <...>
>>>>>The aesthetic reason is completely different. As for health, I don't
>>>>>read through lists of ingredients looking for micrograms of animal
>>>>>parts to excise from my diet. I've admitted that some of the foods I
>>>>>occasionally eat have animal parts in them -- e.g., egg whites in
>>>>>pseudo-burgers. Egg whites aren't deleterious to good health. Neither
>>>>>is fish oil in omega-3 supplements (and I'm taking those now).
>>>>
>>>>Actually, I'm thinking of doing the same thing. The latest issue of
>>>>Men's Health magazine has an article on omega-3s. They confirm all the
>>>>things that we had discussed before. Additionally, they say that the
>>>>conversion of ALA (from plants, etc.) into EPA and DHA by the liver is
>>>>very inefficient - on the order of 5% to 15%. Fish oil contains ALA
>>>>directly.
>>>
>>>Let me know if you want a recommendation, particularly if you want a
>>>brand that doesn't cause fishy burps.
>>
>> Pure Encapsulations has a fish oil supplement
>> (http://www.purecaps.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=ED11 ), which I can get from my
>> sister at cost, but I'd be interested to know what you recommend.
>
> http://www.coromega.com/index3.html
>
> It comes in a squeeze packet (like an energy gel), has a pleasant orange
> flavor, and has a pudding-like consistency. It has egg yolk in it as an
> emulsifier. You're not vegan, so no big deal. The site has a form for free
> samples.

I hadn't finished reading that article in the magazine. There was a sidebar
recommending omega-3 supplements for people who don't eat fish.
INterestingly, one of the recommendations was your Coromega. There were two
mo Nordic Naturals (www.nordicnaturals.com) and Christopher eggs
(http://www.christophereggs.com). While I'm not opposed to eating eggs, they
are a very small part of my diet only because they aren't usually in things
I like to eat (veggie burgers aside). They can be purchased at Walmart
superstores.

C. James Strutz wrote:

>>>>>>The aesthetic reason is completely different. As for health, I don't
>>>>>>read through lists of ingredients looking for micrograms of animal
>>>>>>parts to excise from my diet. I've admitted that some of the foods I
>>>>>>occasionally eat have animal parts in them -- e.g., egg whites in
>>>>>>pseudo-burgers. Egg whites aren't deleterious to good health. Neither
>>>>>>is fish oil in omega-3 supplements (and I'm taking those now).
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually, I'm thinking of doing the same thing. The latest issue of
>>>>>Men's Health magazine has an article on omega-3s. They confirm all the
>>>>>things that we had discussed before. Additionally, they say that the
>>>>>conversion of ALA (from plants, etc.) into EPA and DHA by the liver is
>>>>>very inefficient - on the order of 5% to 15%. Fish oil contains ALA
>>>>>directly.
>>>>
>>>>Let me know if you want a recommendation, particularly if you want a
>>>>brand that doesn't cause fishy burps.
>>>
>>>Pure Encapsulations has a fish oil supplement
>>>(http://www.purecaps.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=ED11 ), which I can get from my
>>>sister at cost, but I'd be interested to know what you recommend.
>>
>>http://www.coromega.com/index3.html
>>
>>It comes in a squeeze packet (like an energy gel), has a pleasant orange
>>flavor, and has a pudding-like consistency. It has egg yolk in it as an
>>emulsifier. You're not vegan, so no big deal. The site has a form for free
>>samples.
>
> I hadn't finished reading that article in the magazine. There was a sidebar
> recommending omega-3 supplements for people who don't eat fish.
> INterestingly, one of the recommendations was your Coromega. There were two
> mo Nordic Naturals (www.nordicnaturals.com) and Christopher eggs
> (http://www.christophereggs.com).

I've not tried Nordic Naturals, but I know that's what Andrew Weil
recommends. I've also heard glowing recommendations for Carlson's Fish
Oil (especially their Super Omega-3). I haven't tried it myself.
http://www.carlsonlabs.com/product_f...l?categid=0014

The reason I recommend Coromega (especially to people who don't like
fish or don't eat meat) is because other fish oil products *will*
produce fishy burps, and some more than others. Only you know if that
would bother you or not. I read the PDF info on the site you linked and
it noted that's possible with their product. And fwiw, there are other
capsules on the market that have flavoring (I'd only seen orange before
I saw that Pure Encapsulations has lemon -- and so does one of Carlson's
varieties) to mask the fishy aroma after the capsule dissolves. I
haven't tried any of them, though. Coromega will not give you cat's breath.

> While I'm not opposed to eating eggs, they
> are a very small part of my diet only because they aren't usually in things
> I like to eat (veggie burgers aside). They can be purchased at Walmart
> superstores.

One of the things I knew about pigweed (purslane) is that chickens that
eat a lot of it have a lot more omega-3 in their eggs (the other thing I
know is that it can spread like crazy and grow densely enough to choke
out native species); it's less costly than feeding chickens a high-flax
diet. That's something to consider if you have enough space (and zoning)
for a couple hens and decide to grow it and would prefer omega-3-rich
eggs (on their own or thrown into whatever recipes you find appealing)
in addition to what you'd get from purslane yourself. I haven't eaten
pigweed, but I can't imagine eating it *every* day.

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> C. James Strutz wrote:
>
>>>>>>>The aesthetic reason is completely different. As for health, I don't
>>>>>>>read through lists of ingredients looking for micrograms of animal
>>>>>>>parts to excise from my diet. I've admitted that some of the foods I
>>>>>>>occasionally eat have animal parts in them -- e.g., egg whites in
>>>>>>>pseudo-burgers. Egg whites aren't deleterious to good health. Neither
>>>>>>>is fish oil in omega-3 supplements (and I'm taking those now).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Actually, I'm thinking of doing the same thing. The latest issue of
>>>>>>Men's Health magazine has an article on omega-3s. They confirm all the
>>>>>>things that we had discussed before. Additionally, they say that the
>>>>>>conversion of ALA (from plants, etc.) into EPA and DHA by the liver is
>>>>>>very inefficient - on the order of 5% to 15%. Fish oil contains ALA
>>>>>>directly.
>>>>>
>>>>>Let me know if you want a recommendation, particularly if you want a
>>>>>brand that doesn't cause fishy burps.
>>>>
>>>>Pure Encapsulations has a fish oil supplement
>>>>(http://www.purecaps.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=ED11 ), which I can get from my
>>>>sister at cost, but I'd be interested to know what you recommend.
>>>
>>>http://www.coromega.com/index3.html
>>>
>>>It comes in a squeeze packet (like an energy gel), has a pleasant orange
>>>flavor, and has a pudding-like consistency. It has egg yolk in it as an
>>>emulsifier. You're not vegan, so no big deal. The site has a form for
>>>free samples.
>>
>> I hadn't finished reading that article in the magazine. There was a
>> sidebar recommending omega-3 supplements for people who don't eat fish.
>> INterestingly, one of the recommendations was your Coromega. There were
>> two
>> mo Nordic Naturals (www.nordicnaturals.com) and Christopher eggs
>> (http://www.christophereggs.com).
>
> I've not tried Nordic Naturals, but I know that's what Andrew Weil
> recommends. I've also heard glowing recommendations for Carlson's Fish Oil
> (especially their Super Omega-3). I haven't tried it myself.
> http://www.carlsonlabs.com/product_f...l?categid=0014
>
> The reason I recommend Coromega (especially to people who don't like fish
> or don't eat meat) is because other fish oil products *will* produce fishy
> burps, and some more than others. Only you know if that would bother you
> or not. I read the PDF info on the site you linked and it noted that's
> possible with their product. And fwiw, there are other capsules on the
> market that have flavoring (I'd only seen orange before I saw that Pure
> Encapsulations has lemon -- and so does one of Carlson's varieties) to
> mask the fishy aroma after the capsule dissolves. I haven't tried any of
> them, though. Coromega will not give you cat's breath.
>
>> While I'm not opposed to eating eggs, they are a very small part of my
>> diet only because they aren't usually in things I like to eat (veggie
>> burgers aside). They can be purchased at Walmart superstores.
>
> One of the things I knew about pigweed (purslane) is that chickens that
> eat a lot of it have a lot more omega-3 in their eggs (the other thing I
> know is that it can spread like crazy and grow densely enough to choke out
> native species);

It's an annual so it shouldn't get too out of control here. I've heard the
same thing and I will be very careful - I bought some seeds and will
probably do an experimental planting next season. I'm already at war with
other invasives on my property!

> it's less costly than feeding chickens a high-flax diet. That's something
> to consider if you have enough space (and zoning) for a couple hens and
> decide to grow it and would prefer omega-3-rich eggs (on their own or
> thrown into whatever recipes you find appealing) in addition to what you'd
> get from purslane yourself. I haven't eaten pigweed, but I can't imagine
> eating it *every* day.

I doubt that my neighborhood would permit hens (although there used to be a
guy down the street who kept homing pigeons). Though it might be fun to
try...

I can't imagine eating purslane every day either. Of the nutritional stuff
that I attempt to do, multivitamins are the only thing that I take every day
without fail. I try to include regular servings of salad, protein
combinations, leafy greens, fungi, cruciferous vegetables, fruit, soy, nuts,
etc. in my diet, though none are guaranteed every day. I just try to keep a
variety of good things in my diet all the time. Purslane is something I
would add to the list...

"Leif Erikson" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Scented Nectar wrote:
>
> > "Leif Erikson" > wrote in message
> > ups.com...
> >
> >>poxed whore Lesley lied:
> >>
> >>>"Leif Erikson" > wrote in message
> >
> > oups.com...
> >
> >>>Faking quotes
> >>
> >>Faking nothing, you **** charlatan quack.
> >>
> >>Haven't heard from your solly, ****. He told you to **** off, didn't
> >>he?
> >
> >
> > Seems you're diverting your posts
> > these days through Giganews and
> > Google. Did too many people
> > complain to Earthlink about you?
>
> No one complained to Earthlink.

Sure they didn't......

> Seems you're a stupid ****.

Seems like you're a namecaller when
you don't have anything real to say.


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/

Scented Nectar wrote:

> "Leif Erikson" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>
>>Scented Nectar wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Leif Erikson" > wrote in message
groups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>poxed whore Lesley lied:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Leif Erikson" > wrote in message
>>>
egroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Faking quotes
>>>>
>>>>Faking nothing, you **** charlatan quack.
>>>>
>>>>Haven't heard from your solly, ****. He told you to **** off, didn't
>>>>he?
>>>
>>>
>>>Seems you're diverting your posts
>>>these days through Giganews and
>>>Google. Did too many people
>>>complain to Earthlink about you?
>>
>>No one complained to Earthlink.
>
>
> Sure they didn't......

No one has complained to Earthlink. Check the source
of this post and the one that preceded it.


>
>
>>Seems you're a stupid ****.
>
>
> Seems like

Seems you're a stupid ****.

"Leif Erikson" > wrote in message
k.net...
> Scented Nectar wrote:
>
> > "Leif Erikson" > wrote in message
> > ink.net...
> >
> >>Scented Nectar wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Leif Erikson" > wrote in message
> groups.com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>poxed whore Lesley lied:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>"Leif Erikson" > wrote in message
> >>>
> egroups.com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>Faking quotes
> >>>>
> >>>>Faking nothing, you **** charlatan quack.
> >>>>
> >>>>Haven't heard from your solly, ****. He told you to **** off, didn't
> >>>>he?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Seems you're diverting your posts
> >>>these days through Giganews and
> >>>Google. Did too many people
> >>>complain to Earthlink about you?
> >>
> >>No one complained to Earthlink.
> >
> >
> > Sure they didn't......
>
> No one has complained to Earthlink. Check the source
> of this post and the one that preceded it.

You switched again. You're pathetic.


--
SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/


> >
> >>Seems you're a stupid ****.
> >
> >
> > Seems like
>
> Seems you're a stupid ****.
>

Scented Nectar lied:


You stupid **** - why did you post this *after* posting
your ****witted, slave-to-pop-culture "buh-bye" post?
You stupid, stupid ****.


> "Leif Erikson" > wrote in message
> k.net...
>
>>Scented Nectar wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Leif Erikson" > wrote in message
thlink.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Scented Nectar wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Leif Erikson" > wrote in message
legroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>poxed whore Lesley lied:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Leif Erikson" > wrote in message
>>>>>
glegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Faking quotes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Faking nothing, you **** charlatan quack.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Haven't heard from your solly, ****. He told you to **** off, didn't
>>>>>>he?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Seems you're diverting your posts
>>>>>these days through Giganews and
>>>>>Google. Did too many people
>>>>>complain to Earthlink about you?
>>>>
>>>>No one complained to Earthlink.
>>>
>>>
>>>Sure they didn't......
>>
>>No one has complained to Earthlink. Check the source
>>of this post and the one that preceded it.
>
>
> You switched again.

I never switched. No one complained to Earthlink, and
I never switched. I have multiple resources available
to me.

You stupid lying ****.

"usual suspect" > wrote in message ...
> pearl wrote:
> >>>>>>>Sun gazing indeed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Lesley (aka pearl) is into that. Hahahahahaha!
> >>>
> >>>Posting a news-story about it in 2003 is not proof of
> >>>that, and you know it.
> >>
> >>You wrote:
> >
> > Diversion.
>
> Not a diversion -- I was right to the point. You wrote:
> This dude is impressive.
> -- gullible, wide-eyed Lesley: http://tinyurl.com/cgfht

In response to a picture.

NOT proof that I'm "into .. Sun gazing".

You have proven yet again that you have no credibility, 'suspect'.

> > You lied, suspect.
>
> You're the one who's lying and covering up your kooky beliefs.

More lies.

> <...>
> > In the original story:
> >
> > "Last June, scientists from the US space agency verified that Manek
> > spent 130 days surviving only on water, the report said.
> > They even named this subsistence on water and solar energy after
> > him: The HRM (Hira Ratan Manek) Phenomenon. "
>
> You've given us the CRAP (Charlatan Reflexologist And Pseudoscientist)
> Phenomenon. You're up to your eyes in it, too.

Projection. Your ship's sinking, Craptain.

> > http://web.archive.org/web/20030704121904/....
>
> Learn to use tinyurl for long links.

PO.

> > ["This article has been deleted."]
>
> Gee, I wonder why. Could it be because it was BULLSHIT?

It was revealed to be a hoax.

> >>And when you were informed the story was fake, you raised the issue of
> >>extended fasting in asceticism and suggested other people might be
> >>interested in fantastical claims by religious extremists.
> >>Just thought that may be of interest to someone else here.
> >>http://tinyurl.com/c6ez7
> >
> > Ipse dixit, - and therefore worthless. The author is an authority.
( http://www.aydos.net/_img/qigong/ftp.rtf [Word doc.].) -
>
> No, it's established: see the thread.

Your opinion is worthless; that is established.

> >>You're a kook, a naïve little witch.
> >
> > You're a poisonous little toad.
>
> Nahhhh, I'm a sweetheart.

You're a poisonous little toad. - You support-

US pResident Bush, member of a Satanic cult..
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...llandbones.htm

kooky?

"The owl is in his leafy temple, let within this grove be
reverend before him. Lift up your heads oh ye trees
and be lifted up ye everlasting fire - for behold he is
bohemia's pride and holy are the pillars of this house."

Q. Who is a member of this exclusive club which
enacts human sacrifice?
http://www.infowars.com/bg_photo_pj.html
http://www.infowars.com/video/Ours/bg_sacrifice.ram

A. 'Here you see a smug George W. Bush with his
father, Bush Senior (taken in 1995) giving what they
call a "lakeside chat" at the Grove. This page also
shows Newt Gingrich, another member. The talks
are given no less than a dozen yards from the stone
idol where "mock" human sacrifices take place.
This is the same idol you see featured above in the
Cremation of Care ceremony photo.
http://www.infowars.com/exclusive_new_bg.htm
-
No comment, suspect? You're silence is telling.

> >>> You are lying
> >>
> >>This dude is impressive.
> >>-- gullible, wide-eyed Lesley: http://tinyurl.com/cgfht
> >
> > In reference to a photo.
>
> More of your CRAP Phenomenon. Stop spinning.

Projection. Spinning smear.

-How's it going in Iraq, mr. 'support our troops'? -

No comment, 'usual suspect'?

> >>The dude was a fraud. So are you.
> >
> > You're - a proven liar, usual cesspit.-
>
> I'm right. You know it, too. Sweet dreams, Les.

You're as wrong as wrong can be on everything.

How you manage it, is beyond me.. it's idiotic.