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"kohlrabi_croce" > wrote in message oups.com... > > Phil Odox wrote: >> usual suspect wrote: >> > >> >You're no different than someone who eats meat >> >> Trying to drag me down to your level proves one thing only; >> you >> recognise that my position as a vegetarian is loftier than >> your own. >> You feel ashamed of yourself for not having the courage to >> accept >> that to justify your meat snaffling is to acknowledge you're >> doing >> something immoral. > > Ok, if you feel you really must engage these two, morals would > probably not be a very effective approach. I would try logic > instead. ========================= ROTFLMAO Logic? In veganism? What a hoot!!! > Internet whackos tend to be lacking in that area. > > For example: > http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html. > The author of this can't even do math. > > However, the real question is, why don't rick and usual suspect > have lives? Even logic probably won't work, because they > don't > have any of that either. The combination of black and white > thinking > and fixation on name-calling are a good indication. ========================= LOL Names are truth when they are applicable, fool... > > tracy > > ps for some reason I am not able to download usenet posts > through free > agent > the last couple days, so I have to use google. > |
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"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... > rick wrote: >> "Phil Odox" > wrote in message >> ... > <cut> > >>>Yes, we still have that fact that you're ashamed to admit. >>>Denying it won't make it any less a fact. >> >> ======================= >> Ah, finally resorting to dishonest snipping now > > I've dealt with your repeated list of pesticides a while ago > by telling you that such measures aren't at all necessary to > grow vegetables, ======================== and I'm not talking about your snipping the lists, fool. Do try to keep up... You are dishonestly snipping replies, hypocrite.. and that animals don't *have* to die in order > to provide vegetarians with food. You've now conceded this > point by writing, "OK Then just the ones that keep you alive", > so explain why you think vegetarians are hypocrites for > choosing > to follow a diet that lives up to their goal. > <cut> ============================ It doesn't live up to there goal fool. Pretending that it does doesn't mean anything, except millions upon millions of dead animals. Dead for your selfish convenience, hypocrite. http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.html http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135 http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf http://www.towerkill.com/index.html http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5 http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html http://www.cgfi.org/materials/key_pu...oxic_Tools.pdf http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC2756.htm http://www.biotech-info.net/deadly_chemicals.html http://www.agnr.umd.edu/ipmnet/4-2art1.htm http://europa.eu.int/comm/environmen...ing_annex1.pdf Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either, here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton. http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field, here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field. http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs /natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8 http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple dealing with power and communications. http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html http://www.towerkill.com/index.html |
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"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... > rick wrote: >> "Phil Odox" > wrote in message >> ... > <cut> >>> Animals aren't killed while >>> producers grown every single piece of fruit or vegetable. >>><cut> >> >> ============================ >> OK Then just the ones that keep you alive, fool > > At long last; you've finally mustered the courage to admit the > fact that vegetables can be grown without killing animals to > keep one alive. Now that that's settled, explain why I or any > vegetarian is a hypocrite for following a diet which doesn't > always require the deaths of animals. ============================== Yes, it does. Too bad your fantasy can't keep you alive. http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.html http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135 http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf http://www.towerkill.com/index.html http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5 http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html http://www.cgfi.org/materials/key_pu...oxic_Tools.pdf http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC2756.htm http://www.biotech-info.net/deadly_chemicals.html http://www.agnr.umd.edu/ipmnet/4-2art1.htm http://europa.eu.int/comm/environmen...ing_annex1.pdf Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either, here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton. http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field, here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field. http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs /natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8 http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple dealing with power and communications. http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html http://www.towerkill.com/index.html |
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"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... > rick wrote: >> "Phil Odox" > wrote in message >> ... >> >>>usual suspect wrote: >>> >>>>Phil Odox wrote: >>>><...> >>>> >>>>>Your shame has made you incapable of being honest >>>>>concerning vegetarian diets, >>>> >>>> >>>>You're the one who's being dishonest >>> >>>There's nothing dishonest about stating the fact that no >>>animals *must* die in order to produce a vegetable or >>>vegetables. >> >> ============================= >> The dishonesty is yours in pretending that this fantasy feeds >> you, > > You've already conceded the fact that vegetables can be grown > without killing animals when writing, "OK Then just the ones > that keep you alive" =============================== And tghey are you fantasy, killer. The ones you eat do kill animals, by the millions.... If such vegetables can keep me alive they > can certainly keep others alive. Now, if you'd been brave > enough > to admit this fact earlier you would have saved yourself a lot > of embarrassment while trying to avoid it. > <cut> http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.html http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135 http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf http://www.towerkill.com/index.html http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5 http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html http://www.cgfi.org/materials/key_pu...oxic_Tools.pdf http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC2756.htm http://www.biotech-info.net/deadly_chemicals.html http://www.agnr.umd.edu/ipmnet/4-2art1.htm http://europa.eu.int/comm/environmen...ing_annex1.pdf Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either, here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton. http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field, here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field. http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs /natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8 http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple dealing with power and communications. http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html http://www.towerkill.com/index.html |
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"Joe" > wrote in message ... > On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:28:39 GMT, usual suspect > > > wrote: > wrote: > >>IOW, it shows you something about the real world as opposed to >>the >>Utopian delusion so prevalent among vegans. > >> > I'll assume you know what ROFLMFAO means; > Right now, EVERYONE who grows vast amouts of vegetables/herbs > in their > backyards, balconies, rented mini-land plots, etc., are asking > if you > just came down from Mars. > No more needs to be said- if you are that petty-minded to > actually > believe anyone who doesn't live on a farm can't grow edible > vegetables > successfully you really need to get out of your > 'cloister-mode'. ================================ ROTFLMAO You really are stupid enough to believe that they can live on their herbs, aren't you? Pretending that they don't participate in animal death and suffering is pretty lame, killer. Afterall, you just proved that you care nothing about killing animals unnecessarily with your inane post... thanks for proving the hypocrisy of usenet vegans, killer.... > > > > > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure > Usenet News==---- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via > Encryption =---- |
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"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... > rick wrote: >> "Phil Odox" > wrote in message >> ... > <cut> > >> I've dealt with >> >>>your list of pesticides a couple of times already by telling >>>you they aren't necessary for vegetable production. >> >> ================================= >> Yes, they are > > No. I can grow fruit and vegetables without using *any* > pesticides. > Any fool knows that, including you. more dishonest snipping i see. Too abd you can't see the facts in front of your face and keep pretending you live by some fantasy. |
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"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... > rick wrote: >> "Phil Odox" > wrote in message >> ... >> >>>usual suspect wrote: >>> >>>>Phil Odox wrote: >>>><...> >>>> >>>>>It means that a vegetarian can eat without killing animals. >>>> >>>> >>>>But vegetarians DON'T eat without killing animals. >>>> >>> >>>Yes they do, and if animals are killed they weren't necessary >>>for that food to exist. >> >> =================================== >> LOL But the animals are still just as dead > > Maybe, but they needn't be. ============== More snipping, eh hypocrite? Yes, they are. Your shame wont let you admit it, > even though you did admit to it yesterday, so I can only assume > that this shame you feel comes in waves. ========================= Hardly. The shame is all yours, for killing animals while pretending you care... > > Here's the proof. > __________________________________________________ ____________ > rick wrote: > > "Phil Odox" > wrote in message > > ... > <cut> > >> Animals aren't killed while > >> producers grown every single piece of fruit or vegetable. > >><cut> > > > ============================ > > OK Then just the ones that keep you alive, fool > > At long last; you've finally mustered the courage to admit the > fact that vegetables can be grown without killing animals to > keep one alive. Now that that's settled, explain why I or any > vegetarian is a hypocrite for following a diet which doesn't > always require the deaths of animals. > __________________________________________________ _____ > > http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt...281f601?hl=en& > > Like I said, "when I told you, "Animals aren't killed while > producers grow every single piece of fruit or vegetable.", > you replied, "OK Then just the ones that keep you alive, > fool."" > > You failed to respond to the actual post, and that failure > is because you've admitted that vegetables can be produced > without killing animals, though not enough to keep me alive. > That is an admission that some vegetables can be produced > with killing animals, so you can just stop the rest of your > denials right now. ================================ The denials are all still yours, hypocrite. Too bad you cannot face up to your bloody hands... > <cut> |
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"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... > rick wrote: >> "Phil Odox" > wrote in message >> ... >> >>>rick wrote: >>> >>>>"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... >> >> >> >> snip.... >> >> >> >>>>>>========================= >>>>>>LOL It's your denial of facts that are on display, killer. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I haven't denied that animals occasionally die during the >>>>>production process of vegetables. >>>> >>>>=========================== >>>>ROTFLMAO There's your denial right there >>> >>>Where? >> >> =========================== >> explained in you dishonest snipping, fool. >> >> I've graciously accepted your claim that animals >> >>>are occasionally killed during vegetable production, >> >> ========================= >> And again, in your dishonesty here. Millions upon millions of >> animals is not 'occasionally', killer. >> >> >> >> but >> >>>the stark fact remains that the needn't have to die, and >>>you've been forced to concede that by writing, "OK Then >>>just the ones that keep you alive, fool." >>><cut> >> >> ============================== >> Yes, they do die > > But they needn't, and that's the fact I'm ramming down your > throat. > <cut>========================= Hardly, because you haven't shown that you can live without the death and suffering. The facts are that you kill animals, willingly, without remorse, and apparently, gleefully... Oh, and dishonest snipping noted... > >>>>I disagree >>> >>>No you don't. When I told you, "Animals aren't killed while >>>producers grown every single piece of fruit or vegetable.", >>>you replied, "OK Then just the ones that keep you alive, >>>fool." >>>Was telling the truth for once too much for your shame to cope >>>with and now forced you to go back on what you earlier wrote? >>><cut> >> >> ================================ >> Nope, > > Here's the proof. > __________________________________________________ ____________ > rick wrote: > > "Phil Odox" > wrote in message > > ... > <cut> > >> Animals aren't killed while > >> producers grown every single piece of fruit or vegetable. > >><cut> > > > ============================ > > OK Then just the ones that keep you alive, fool > > At long last; you've finally mustered the courage to admit the > fact that vegetables can be grown without killing animals to > keep one alive. Now that that's settled, explain why I or any > vegetarian is a hypocrite for following a diet which doesn't > always require the deaths of animals. > __________________________________________________ _____ > > http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt...281f601?hl=en& > > Like I said, "when I told you, "Animals aren't killed while > producers grow every single piece of fruit or vegetable.", > you replied, "OK Then just the ones that keep you alive, > fool."" > > You failed to respond to the actual post, and that failure > is because you've admitted that vegetables can be produced > without killing animals, though not enough to keep me alive. > That is an admission that some vegetables can be produced > with killing animals, so you can just stop the rest of your > denials right now. ================ The denials are all still yours, killer. http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.html http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135 http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf http://www.towerkill.com/index.html http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5 http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html http://www.cgfi.org/materials/key_pu...oxic_Tools.pdf http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC2756.htm http://www.biotech-info.net/deadly_chemicals.html http://www.agnr.umd.edu/ipmnet/4-2art1.htm http://europa.eu.int/comm/environmen...ing_annex1.pdf Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either, here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton. http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field, here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. 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"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... > rick wrote: >> "Phil Odox" > wrote in message >> ... >> >>>rick wrote: >>> >>>>"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... >>>> >>> >>><cut> >>> >>>>>Are you still trying to tell me that a piece of fruit or a >>>>>potato cannot possibly grow without the involvement of >>>>>animal deaths? Is your shame so profound that it stops you >>>> >>>>>from admitting the simple fact that vegetables *can* be >>>>>grown >>>> >>>>>in this way? >>>> >>>>========================== >>>>Is your brainwashing so complete as to think your fantasy >>>>foods can feed you >>> >>>You've conceded the fact that they can, so I don't know why >>>you're still trying to resist being as honest in this post, >>>unless that shame has caught up on you again. >>><cut> >> >> ===================================== >> Noi, I have not. > > Here's the proof. ================= dishonesty noted... > __________________________________________________ ____________ > rick wrote: > > "Phil Odox" > wrote in message > > ... > <cut> > >> Animals aren't killed while > >> producers grown every single piece of fruit or vegetable. > >><cut> > > > ============================ > > OK Then just the ones that keep you alive, fool > > At long last; you've finally mustered the courage to admit the > fact that vegetables can be grown without killing animals to > keep one alive. Now that that's settled, explain why I or any > vegetarian is a hypocrite for following a diet which doesn't > always require the deaths of animals. > __________________________________________________ _____ > > http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt...281f601?hl=en& > > Like I said, "when I told you, "Animals aren't killed while > producers grow every single piece of fruit or vegetable.", > you replied, "OK Then just the ones that keep you alive, > fool."" > > You failed to respond to the actual post, and that failure > is because you've admitted that vegetables can be produced > without killing animals, though not enough to keep me alive. > That is an admission that some vegetables can be produced > with killing animals, so you can just stop the rest of your > denials right now. > <cut>=================== The denials are all still yours, hypocrite http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.html http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135 http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf http://www.towerkill.com/index.html http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5 http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html http://www.cgfi.org/materials/key_pu...oxic_Tools.pdf http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC2756.htm http://www.biotech-info.net/deadly_chemicals.html http://www.agnr.umd.edu/ipmnet/4-2art1.htm http://europa.eu.int/comm/environmen...ing_annex1.pdf Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either, here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton. http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field, here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field. http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs /natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8 http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple dealing with power and communications. http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html http://www.towerkill.com/index.html |
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"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... > rick wrote: >> "Phil Odox" > wrote in message >> ... >> > <cut> > >>>Correlation does not amount to causation. It's a fallacy to >>>argue >>>that a higher consumption level of vegetables will lead to >>>higher >>>death rates in vegetable farming. >> >> =========================== >> No it is not > > Yes, it is. ========================== The fallacy is yours, hyp[ocrite. And, your dishonest snipping noted... Though there may be a correlation between vegetable > consumption and animals deaths, it's a fallacy to conclude that > one causes the other. Correlation does not logically amount to > causation. ================================== Logic is really really hard for you, isn't it? > >> >> One might buy less and thereby >> >>>urge food producers to cut even more corners than they already >>>do >>>and cause more. On the other hand, one might buy more and >>>thereby >>>urge farmers to make improvements on their methods and kill >>>less. >>>You simply don't know. >> >> =================== >> Yes, I do. > > No, you don't know for the reasons I've already given. ====================== You've gien no real reasons, just spew... dishonesty noted... http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.html http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135 http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf http://www.towerkill.com/index.html http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5 http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html http://www.cgfi.org/materials/key_pu...oxic_Tools.pdf http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC2756.htm http://www.biotech-info.net/deadly_chemicals.html http://www.agnr.umd.edu/ipmnet/4-2art1.htm http://europa.eu.int/comm/environmen...ing_annex1.pdf Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either, here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton. http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field, here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field. http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs /natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8 http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple dealing with power and communications. http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html http://www.towerkill.com/index.html |
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"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... > rick wrote: >> "Phil Odox" > wrote in message >> ... >> >>>rick wrote: >>> >>>>"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... >>>> >>>> >>>>>usual suspect wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>true believer and wide-eyed dreamer Phil Odox wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>BTW... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Why did you ignore this? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The more commercially-grown food you consume, the >>>>>>>> greater the >>>>>>>> number of animals injured, poisoned, or killed for >>>>>>>> your diet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>No >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Yes. The more you eat, the more animals die. That's >>>>>>reality. >>>>> >>>>>No, it's a fallacy. >>>>><restore> >>>>>No, that's nonsense. It could be that the more vegetables >>>>>one eats >>>>>the fewer the deaths caused because food producers have more >>>>>money >>>>>to spend on better farming equipment and training. Higher >>>>>consumption >>>>>levels doesn't automatically mean more animal deaths in >>>>>vegetable >>>>>production, and if it did, they don't have to die. >>>> >>>>=========================== >>>>Still delusional >>> >>>Not at all. Read what I wrote again and see where your >>>fallacious >>>thinking trips you up. Correlation does not amount to >>>causation. >>>It's a fallacy to argue that a higher consumption level of >>>vegetables >>>will lead to higher death rates in vegetable farming. One >>>might buy >>>less and thereby urge food producers to cut even more corners >>>than >>>they already do and cause more. On the other hand, one might >>>buy >>>more and thereby urge farmers to make improvements on their >>>methods >>>and kill less. You simply don't know. >> >> ===================== >> Yes, I do. They have no incentive to cause fewer animals to >> die > Dishonest snippinf and rewriting noted. Guess you have already figured out that your spew is trash, eh hypocrite? > Pesticides cost money, and if food producers could find a way > in not using them while still managing to keep infestations > low by improving storage methods, for example, then that extra > cash from higher consumption levels may urge food producers > to employ those better storage methods and thereby reduce the > deaths of rodents. ======================= Emmm, more fantasy. Why the focus only on storage of your veggies, hypocrite? > > On the other hand, if everyone ate more meat, vegetable > production > for humans would suffer a fall and probably force farmers to > use > quick-fix methods such as poisons to control vermin rather than > spend money they can't afford on better storage facilities, ====================== They already spend this money for rodent control, fool. But, do you think that these are the only pesticides used in the production of your veggies? You really are this stupid, aren't you? and > cause more animal deaths. Correlation does not amount to > causation. ============================= Stupidity leads to your ignorance though, eh hypocrite? http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.html http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135 http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf http://www.towerkill.com/index.html http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5 http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html http://www.cgfi.org/materials/key_pu...oxic_Tools.pdf http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC2756.htm http://www.biotech-info.net/deadly_chemicals.html http://www.agnr.umd.edu/ipmnet/4-2art1.htm http://europa.eu.int/comm/environmen...ing_annex1.pdf Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either, here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton. http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field, here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field. http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs /natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8 http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple dealing with power and communications. http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html http://www.towerkill.com/index.html |
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"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... > rick wrote: >> "Phil Odox" > wrote in message >> ... >> >>>rick wrote: >>> >>>>"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... >>>> >>>> >>>>>rick wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>usual suspect wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>BTW... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Why did you ignore this? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The more commercially-grown food you consume, the >>>>>>>> greater the >>>>>>>> number of animals injured, poisoned, or killed for your >>>>>>>> diet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>No, that's nonsense. It could be that the more vegetables >>>>>>>one eats >>>>>>>the fewer the deaths caused because food producers have >>>>>>>more money >>>>>>>to spend on better farming equipment and training. >>>>>> >>>>>>============================== >>>>>>You really are this delusional and stupid, aren't you? >>>>> >>>>>You need to grow up and stop calling people names. If you >>>>>can't >>>>>deal with the facts and acknowledge the truth in them, say >>>>>so >>>>>and run along. >>>>><cut>============================== >>>> >>>>LOL You're the one that needs to grow up >>> >>>No, it's you that needs to grow up. Correlation does not >>>amount to >>>causation. It's a fallacy to argue that a higher consumption >>>level >>>of vegetables will lead to higher death rates in vegetable >>>farming. >> >> =============================== >> LOL Try learning a few facts, fool. The more need for food, >> the more mechinazation and inputs from the petro-chemical >> industry are required. More of each of those causes more >> animals to die. > > No, that's false. Higher consumption levels might in fact > reduce > the amount of animal deaths, because that extra cash investment > can be used for better machinery with flusher bars, better > storage facilities, and therefore less costs on pesticides. ============================= No, it won't fool. They is no incentive for them to waste money for your fantasy. Besides flusher bars won't change the need for pesticides fool. The > numbers of deaths might actually fall instead of rise. You just > can't say, because correlation does not logically amount to > causation. > <cut>======================= Yes, I can, because your reason are fantasy, and farming is reality. > >>>One might buy less and thereby urge food producers to cut even >>>more >>>corners than they already do and cause more. On the other >>>hand, one >>>might buy more and thereby urge farmers to make improvements >>>on their >>>methods and kill less. You simply don't know. >> >> ============================ >> Yes, I do... > > No, you don't. http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.html http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135 http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf http://www.towerkill.com/index.html http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5 http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html http://www.cgfi.org/materials/key_pu...oxic_Tools.pdf http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC2756.htm http://www.biotech-info.net/deadly_chemicals.html http://www.agnr.umd.edu/ipmnet/4-2art1.htm http://europa.eu.int/comm/environmen...ing_annex1.pdf Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either, here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton. http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field, here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field. http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs /natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8 http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple dealing with power and communications. http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html http://www.towerkill.com/index.html |
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"Joe" > wrote in message ... > On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:45:36 GMT, usual suspect > > > wrote: > >>Joe wrote: >><...> >>> Maybe I don't agree with alot of what Usual S comments about, >>> but his >>> posts at the very least usually has 'stocky' substance. >> >>Which is more than can be said about your asinine replies >>lately. WTF is >>this bullshit about "monosaturated" fats you were passing off? >>Do you >>really think that makes you appear intelligent? And then you >>wanted to >>argue whether fruits are actually vegetables. Talk about a >>waste of space. > > Ranting and throwing out 'study says this and that' in rabid > charades > shows you have a good stock of links and read alot- but you > don't use > these correctly many times, so that in itself shows you are not > so > intelligent. > > Waste of space is the dozens of hours you and Rick have put > into > typing out grade 5 insults and repetitive quips. > > As for the fruits and vegetables arguement, you and Rick can > answer > that; which one of you is the fruit and/or are you both veggies > on > steroids. Or are they interchangeable for you both... like > eggplants > and tomaHtoes. =============================== ROTFLMAO I see you can't defend you delusions either. What a hoot. Thannks for proving the hypocrisy and ignorance of usenet vegans... > > > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure > Usenet News==---- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via > Encryption =---- |
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It's truly mind-numbing -like you are [and attempt to inflict on
others] how you don't get bored typing the same responses for hours everyday. Are you a billionaire with nothing useful to do in your life? Honestly, why do you spend so much time in here making yourself miserable when the only affect you have on folks here is sympathy for your useless, misdirected, unprovoked rants. Be happy and hang out in a meat-gourgers newsgroup instead! Who said live off herbs by the way? I only mentioned they can be grown without problem. On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:12:24 GMT, "rick" > wrote: > >"Joe" > wrote in message .. . >> On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:28:39 GMT, usual suspect >> > >> wrote: >> wrote: >> >>>IOW, it shows you something about the real world as opposed to >>>the >>>Utopian delusion so prevalent among vegans. >> >>> >> I'll assume you know what ROFLMFAO means; >> Right now, EVERYONE who grows vast amouts of vegetables/herbs >> in their >> backyards, balconies, rented mini-land plots, etc., are asking >> if you >> just came down from Mars. >> No more needs to be said- if you are that petty-minded to >> actually >> believe anyone who doesn't live on a farm can't grow edible >> vegetables >> successfully you really need to get out of your >> 'cloister-mode'. >================================ >ROTFLMAO You really are stupid enough to believe that they can >live on their herbs, aren't you? >Pretending that they don't participate in animal death and >suffering is pretty lame, killer. Afterall, you just proved that >you care nothing about killing animals unnecessarily with your >inane post... > >thanks for proving the hypocrisy of usenet vegans, killer.... > > > >> >> >> >> >> ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure >> Usenet News==---- >> http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >> 120,000+ Newsgroups >> ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via >> Encryption =---- > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"Joe" > wrote in message ... > It's truly mind-numbing -like you are [and attempt to inflict > on > others] how you don't get bored typing the same responses for > hours > everyday. Are you a billionaire with nothing useful to do in > your > life? Honestly, why do you spend so much time in here making > yourself > miserable ========================== LOL I'm not miserable, killer. I love my life, and myself. It's the vegans here that are self-loathing, people hating drooling buffoons. It's great fun to watch them come about when faced with facts. It's quite a hoot! when the only affect you have on folks here is sympathy for > your useless, misdirected, unprovoked rants. Be happy and hang > out in > a meat-gourgers newsgroup instead! Who said live off herbs by > the way? > I only mentioned they can be grown without problem. ============================ Meat-eaters don't need the education that delusional usenet vegans do, killer. I'm here for a public service... > > On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:12:24 GMT, "rick" > wrote: > >> >>"Joe" > wrote in message . .. >>> On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:28:39 GMT, usual suspect >>> > >>> wrote: >>> wrote: >>> >>>>IOW, it shows you something about the real world as opposed >>>>to >>>>the >>>>Utopian delusion so prevalent among vegans. >>> >>>> >>> I'll assume you know what ROFLMFAO means; >>> Right now, EVERYONE who grows vast amouts of vegetables/herbs >>> in their >>> backyards, balconies, rented mini-land plots, etc., are >>> asking >>> if you >>> just came down from Mars. >>> No more needs to be said- if you are that petty-minded to >>> actually >>> believe anyone who doesn't live on a farm can't grow edible >>> vegetables >>> successfully you really need to get out of your >>> 'cloister-mode'. >>================================ >>ROTFLMAO You really are stupid enough to believe that they can >>live on their herbs, aren't you? >>Pretending that they don't participate in animal death and >>suffering is pretty lame, killer. Afterall, you just proved >>that >>you care nothing about killing animals unnecessarily with your >>inane post... >> >>thanks for proving the hypocrisy of usenet vegans, killer.... >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - >>> Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure >>> Usenet News==---- >>> http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the >>> World! >>> 120,000+ Newsgroups >>> ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via >>> Encryption =---- >> > > > > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure > Usenet News==---- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > >100,000 Newsgroups > ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via > Encryption =--- |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:28:51 GMT, "rick" > wrote:
> > I'm here for a public service... > LOL, well you surprised me! You really made me laugh good and hearty this time  ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"Joe" > wrote in message ... > On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:28:51 GMT, "rick" > wrote: > >> >> I'm here for a public service... > >> > > LOL, well you surprised me! You really made me laugh good and > hearty > this time ======================= maybe you'll learn something yet. > > > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure > Usenet News==---- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > >100,000 Newsgroups > ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via > Encryption =--- |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:31:22 GMT, "rick" > wrote: > >======================= >maybe you'll learn something yet. > Well now I don't worry that you take things too seriously. It seems you may actually have a sense of humour. :P ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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"Joe" > wrote in message ... > > > On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:31:22 GMT, "rick" > wrote: > >> > >>======================= >>maybe you'll learn something yet. >> > Well now I don't worry that you take things too seriously. It > seems > you may actually have a sense of humour. :P > ================= Take usenet seriously? If you do, let me know, I've got some emails somewhere around here that I'll forward on, you'll definitely WIN one of 5 fabulous prises!! > > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure > Usenet News==---- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via > Encryption =---- |
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wide-eyed Utopian zealot Phil Odox wrote:
>>>>> Your shame has made you incapable of being honest >>>>> concerning vegetarian diets, >>>> >>>> You're the one who's being dishonest >>> >>> There's nothing dishonest about stating the fact that no >>> animals *must* die in order to produce a vegetable or >>> vegetables. The dishonesty and shame is all yours while >>> you persistently fail to acknowledge that said fact. We >>> can't go any further until you admit it, so you'll have >>> to find that courage from somewhere. >> >> Yes, there is. >> > No, there is not. It's a fact that vegetables can be grown > without killing animals, and being an animal killer you feel > uncomfortable with that fact and do your very best to ignore > it. > <cut> > >> according to Davis > > I've read Davis' paper, and even he admits that the numbers > he produced are guesses, so they can hardly be regarded as > fact. The very presence of "numbers" -- whether one or ten to the 10,000th power -- show that you're a either a hypocrite or a gullible jackass for assuming that animals don't die so you can eat. Those "numbers" are the animals you pretend don't die in the course of producing a vegetarian diet. |
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Phil Odox wrote:
> You've already conceded the fact that vegetables can be grown > without killing animals... This is patently false with respect to commercial agriculture -- and organic is no different from conventional in this regard. Farmers routinely apply pesticides with the intention of killing certain pests (including certain animals like rats). Non-target species are also killed collaterally through such practices. Many animals die -- and must die -- to grow a profitable crop. Your point is wrong. Animals residing in harvested fields are left vulnerable to predation. Their deaths are a normal part of farming. They die as a direct result of farming. Your point is wrong. Further, commercially-grown foods are tranported and stored which causes more animal deaths and injuries. Local health codes REQUIRE pro-active pest control. This is targeted at rodents as well as insects. Many animals die as a direct result of the effort to get food from farms to urban vegan tables. Your point is wrong. |
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Phil Odox wrote:
<...> > I've dealt with your repeated list of pesticides a while ago > by telling you that such measures aren't at all necessary to > grow vegetables, They *are* necessary to grow them commercially and on the scale that would be required for global vegetarianism. |
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true believer and wide-eyed dreamer Phil Odox wrote:
>>>>>> BTW... >>>>>> >>>>>> Why did you ignore this? >>>>>> >>>>>> The more commercially-grown food you consume, the greater the >>>>>> number of animals injured, poisoned, or killed for your diet. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes. The more you eat, the more animals die. That's reality. >>> >>> >>> >>> No >> >> >> >> Yes. >> >>> No, that's nonsense. It could be >> >> >> >> No, it isn't. > > Correlation does not amount to causation. It's a fallacy to argue > that a higher consumption level of vegetables will lead to higher > death rates in vegetable farming. No, you have it the other way around. The more you consume, the less incentive the farmer has to change practices. Why do boycotts occur -- and have you ever heard of a protest in which a group of consumers *increased* commerce with a target they sought to change? > One might buy less Wide-scale changes rarely occur throughout an entire industry on the basis of "one" making changes in consumption. Even as a group, vegans aren't influential in changing agriculture. Vegans are a very marginal movement -- comprising less than 2% of citizens in the United States -- and their demographics show them to be in the lower echelons of spending power (i.e., the average vegan is a young female of high school or college age). Vegan demographics: Most likely to be female and under 35 AGE Vegans UKvegans USAvegans 16-24 21% 14% 36% 25-34 40% 39% 44% 35-44 25% 32% 11% 45-54 10% 11% 7% 55+ 4% 4% 2% Vegans UK Vegans USA Vegans Male 33% 36% 22% Female 67% 64% 78% http://www.imaner.net/panel/profile.htm With the number of serious vegetarians stagnating at less than 2% according to some estimates... http://www.cattlenetwork.com/content.asp?contentid=4949 > and thereby > urge food producers to cut even more corners than they already do > and cause more. Again, you have it backwards. Suppliers (i.e., farmers) respond to market demand. When demand is high, they have no incentive to alter methods. And they have no incentive to alter methods at their own expense. Are you willing to pay a farmer to hand-pick wheat, or is it more convenient for you to make meaningless gestures about not harming animals while you really do? > On the other hand, one might buy more and thereby > urge farmers to make improvements on their methods and kill less. Backwards. The more you buy, even under protest, the less incentive the farmer has to change his methods. > You simply don't know. I do know. I also know you're utterly clueless about economics. |
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Phil Odox wrote:
> I've graciously accepted your claim that animals > are occasionally killed They're killed systematically. WTF do you think the intention of a farmer is when he applies pesticides or traps, or when he hunts to thin out the competition (i.e., wildlife) for his crops or livestock? |
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Phil Odox wrote:
>> <...> >> >>> It means that a vegetarian can eat without killing animals. >> >> But vegetarians DON'T eat without killing animals. >> > Yes they do, No, they don't. Animals die throughout the process of growing food for a vegetarian diet. It is not a cruelty-free diet. >>> That's saying a lot more than nothing, fool. >> >> No, it's an empty and meaningless gesture. > > Not to the vegetarian who has a moral conscience What kind of "moral conscience" looks only at intent but buries its head as soon as reality is discussed? Reality matters at least as much as intent, if not more, because reality determines whether or not the result matches the intent. When the resulting reality is as bad as (or worse than) that which you object, your whole morality falls. That's the case in veganism. You claim to want to prevent animal deaths. Your solution is to abstain from eating meat. You instead consume plant-based foods grown commercially. Those foods cause animals to die (already explained). So you're right back where you started causing harm to animals and you haven't addressed the "problem" you sought to solve. The reality of your diet doesn't match your rhetoric about it -- and your sanctimony about morality and ethics rings hollow. In short, you're a moral failure. Your diet fails to meet your intentions. |
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Phil Odox wrote:
>>>>> Animals don't have to die in vegetable production. >>>> >>>> But they *do*. >>> >>> Occasionally, >> >> Every day. Normally. Systematically. > > But they needn't, Wrong, they *must*. Health codes REQUIRE pro-active management of pests where foods are handled, processed, and stored. Farmers MUST turn profits. You're not going to pay them to hand-sow and hand-harvest every kernel of grain or rice, nor are you willing to pay them for crop-loss associated with rampant infestation of pests. > even if your claim is true It is. >> End of argument. > > Not when Yes. >> The fact that they DO die makes your argument >> completely irrelevant. > > Not at all. Wrong. > I choose a diet which doesn't mean that animals *have* > to die for my food Rhetoric doesn't match reality. Your "solution" doesn't address your "problem." You're a smug, sanctimonious hypocrite. > and that's what ethical vegetarianism is all > about. "Ethical vegetarianism" is about making empty, meaningless gestures. You think it's acceptable for your own consumption to cause thousands of mice and frogs to die, but unacceptable for anyone to eat a fraction of a steer in the form of a hamburger patty. The other person's responsible for fraction of a death; you're responsible for thousands of deaths. Yet you pat yourself on the back because you didn't consume any of them. How is it "more ethical" to cause thousands of animal deaths than it is to consume the flesh of part of one dead animal? Veganism is for moral weaklings. >>> but they certainly don't have to. >> >> They certainly DO die. > > Sometimes All the time, dumb ass. > You're desperately trying to make that stick, You cannot escape dealing with this issue since you're the one claiming food makes people moral. Your own food choices cause animals to die -- the very basis for which you claim the moral mantle. That makes you a hypocrite. > but you also know > that it's a just transparent, desperate smear against those who > walk the good walk. Ha! I want you to explain to me how someone who intends to cause no animal harm but whose vegetarian diet causes thousands of animal deaths is more virtuous than someone who eats meat. > You feel inferior to the vegetarian because > he makes an ethical choice about his lifestyle that you'll never > be able to follow yourself I *am* a vegetarian, you dumb ass. With the exception of a few small pieces of fish in the last year, I've been meat-free for most of the last decade or so. I'm honest enough to admit that my diet causes at least as many animals to die as would if I were to eat meat (regularly or irregularly). I also don't believe what goes into someone's mouth makes him or her a better person than anyone else. |
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kohlrabi_croce wrote:
>> > >> >>>You're no different than someone who eats meat >> >>Trying to drag me down to your level proves one thing only; you >>recognise that my position as a vegetarian is loftier than your own. >>You feel ashamed of yourself for not having the courage to accept >>that to justify your meat snaffling is to acknowledge you're doing >>something immoral. > > Ok, if you feel you really must engage these two, morals would > probably not be a very effective approach. I would try logic > instead. "Phil" lacks the capacity to discuss either morals or logic. > However, the real question is, why don't rick and usual suspect > have lives? I have one. So does Rick. > Even logic probably won't work, because they don't > have any of that either. Maybe you can explain how it's "more ethical" for a vegan to cause thousands of animal deaths than it is for anyone else to consume the flesh of part of one dead animal. > The combination of black and white thinking > and fixation on name-calling are a good indication. You're unable to distinguish between ethical and unethical, logical or illogical. You're also unwilling to engage in a discussion -- and I've been civil in my replies to you -- about why you say or do what you say and do. > ps for some reason I am not able to download usenet posts through free > agent the last couple days, so I have to use google. Stop whining. Everyone has a cross to bear. |
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Joe wrote:
>>IOW, it shows you something about the real world as opposed to the >>Utopian delusion so prevalent among vegans. > > Right now, EVERYONE who grows vast amouts of vegetables/herbs in their > backyards, balconies, rented mini-land plots, etc., "Vast amounts" isn't a term I associate with herbs grown on a balcony. It also has nothing to do with the point I raised with respect to Tracy's failed attempts to grow zucchini and her realization that "When you do the growing yourself, it puts things in a slightly different perspective." > No more needs to be said- if you are that petty-minded to actually > believe anyone who doesn't live on a farm can't grow edible vegetables Your comprehension is pretty shitty, Joe. That comment addressed Tracy's realization that killing things is part and parcel of the cycle of life -- including growing food for vegetarians. |
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"usual suspect" > wrote in message
... > I *am* a vegetarian, you dumb ass. With the exception of a few small > pieces of fish in the last year, I've been meat-free for most of the > last decade or so. I'm honest enough to admit that my diet causes at > least as many animals to die as would if I were to eat meat (regularly > or irregularly). I also don't believe what goes into someone's mouth > makes him or her a better person than anyone else. LOL So much for that hypothetical steak in the other thread! Maybe you just haven't been invited to anyone's place for dinner for the last decade or so? -- SN http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/ |
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Scented Nectar wrote:
>>I *am* a vegetarian, you dumb ass. With the exception of a few small >>pieces of fish in the last year, I've been meat-free for most of the >>last decade or so. I'm honest enough to admit that my diet causes at >>least as many animals to die as would if I were to eat meat (regularly >>or irregularly). I also don't believe what goes into someone's mouth >>makes him or her a better person than anyone else. > > LOL So much for that hypothetical > steak in the other thread! Maybe > you just haven't been invited to > anyone's place for dinner for the > last decade or so? Non sequitur. I don't stress out over little bits of bacon hidden in vegetable dishes and count them when considering my standing among moral-lessers like you. |
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"usual suspect" > wrote in message
... > Scented Nectar wrote: > >>I *am* a vegetarian, you dumb ass. With the exception of a few small > >>pieces of fish in the last year, I've been meat-free for most of the > >>last decade or so. I'm honest enough to admit that my diet causes at > >>least as many animals to die as would if I were to eat meat (regularly > >>or irregularly). I also don't believe what goes into someone's mouth > >>makes him or her a better person than anyone else. > > > > LOL So much for that hypothetical > > steak in the other thread! Maybe > > you just haven't been invited to > > anyone's place for dinner for the > > last decade or so? > > Non sequitur. I don't stress out over little bits of bacon hidden in > vegetable dishes and count them when considering my standing among > moral-lessers like you. LOL Wash your hands, Useless, steaks ready! -- SN http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/ |
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"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... > rick wrote: >> "Phil Odox" > wrote in message >> ... >> > <cut> > >>>>>Animals aren't killed while >>>>>producers grown every single piece of fruit or vegetable. >>>>><cut> >>> >>>>============================ >>>>OK Then just the ones that keep you alive, fool >>> >>>At long last; you've finally mustered the courage to admit the >>>fact that vegetables can be grown without killing animals to >>>keep one alive. Now that that's settled, explain why I or any >>>vegetarian is a hypocrite for following a diet which doesn't >>>always require the deaths of animals. >>>_______________________________________________ ________ >>> >>>http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt...281f601?hl=en& >>> >>>Like I said, "when I told you, "Animals aren't killed while >>>producers grow every single piece of fruit or vegetable.", >>>you replied, "OK Then just the ones that keep you alive, >>>fool."" >>> >>>You failed to respond to the actual post, and that failure >>>is because you've admitted that vegetables can be produced >>>without killing animals, though not enough to keep me alive. >>>That is an admission that some vegetables can be produced >>>with killing animals, so you can just stop the rest of your >>>denials right now. >> >> ================ >> The denials are all still yours, killer. > > They're all yours, even after being shown where you conceded. > Now that's a bit odd. Tell me how forests exist without human > intervention and the use of pesticides, and then tell me again > why potatoes can't also be grown without killing animals and > the use of pesticides. ================== Tell me again how you propose to live on these items, hypocrite. You're a copmplete fool, totally absorbed in your delusions of how you would like things to be by ignoring how you live. How many wild potato fields have you seen? Your ignorance is surpassed only by your brainwashing, killer. |
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"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... > rick wrote: >> "Phil Odox" > wrote in message >> ... >> >>>rick wrote: >>> >>>>"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... >>>> >>> >>><cut> >>> >>>>>>>Animals aren't killed while >>>>>>>producers grown every single piece of fruit or vegetable. >>>>>>><cut> >>>>> >>>>>>============================ >>>>>>OK Then just the ones that keep you alive, fool >>>>> >>>>>At long last; you've finally mustered the courage to admit >>>>>the >>>>>fact that vegetables can be grown without killing animals to >>>>>keep one alive. Now that that's settled, explain why I or >>>>>any >>>>>vegetarian is a hypocrite for following a diet which doesn't >>>>>always require the deaths of animals. >>>>>_____________________________________________ __________ >>>>> >>>>>http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt...281f601?hl=en& >>>>> >>>>>Like I said, "when I told you, "Animals aren't killed while >>>>>producers grow every single piece of fruit or vegetable.", >>>>>you replied, "OK Then just the ones that keep you alive, >>>>>fool."" >>>>> >>>>>You failed to respond to the actual post, and that failure >>>>>is because you've admitted that vegetables can be produced >>>>>without killing animals, though not enough to keep me alive. >>>>>That is an admission that some vegetables can be produced >>>>>with killing animals, so you can just stop the rest of your >>>>>denials right now. >>>> >>>>================ >>>>The denials are all still yours, killer. >>> >>>They're all yours, even after being shown where you conceded. >>>Now that's a bit odd. Tell me how forests exist without human >>>intervention and the use of pesticides, and then tell me again >>>why potatoes can't also be grown without killing animals and >>>the use of pesticides. >> >> ================== >> Tell me again how you propose to live on these items > > By eating them, of course. ======================= But you don't fool. That's the pointlessness of your delusions. Besides, thanks for proving you have lost killer. dishonestly snipping posts.... You haven't told me how forests exist > without human intervention yet, ======================== You haven't told me where all those fields of wild potatoes are either, hypocrite... including those pesticides and > animal fatalities which you claim are vital to grow vegetables. > As I've been saying all along - animals don't have to die. The > shame you feel concerning your diet on meat won't allow you to > concede it again like you earlier did, but that's irrelevant > now. > The fact is that vegetables and fruits and forests the size of > England can and do grow without us having to kill animals and > lay down pesticides. They don't have to die for my food, but > they do for yours, and that why my diet is morally superior. ============================= ROTFLMAO Says the hypocrite of the month winner. You haven't proven that at all, killer. Guess you have trouble seeing what you post with all that blood on your hands, eh fool? |
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"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... > rick wrote: >> "Phil Odox" > wrote in message >> ... >> >>>rick wrote: >>> >>>>"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... >>> >>><cut> >>> >>>> I've dealt with >>>> >>>> >>>>>your list of pesticides a couple of times already by telling >>>>>you they aren't necessary for vegetable production. >>>> >>>>================================= >>>>Yes, they are >>> >>>No. I can grow fruit and vegetables without using *any* >>>pesticides. >>>Any fool knows that, including you. >> >> >> >> more dishonest snipping i see. > > Only your weak diversions. =============== No, fool, to every post I make now... Proving that you have lost, killer... Explain why forests the size of England > can grow without the use of pesticides and animal killing while > apples and sprouts can't. As I've been saying all along, > "Animals > don't *have* to die to produce vegetables and fruits, and > that's > why my diet is morally superior to yours. ================================= Again, where's those fields of wild potatoes, hypocrite... > <cut> |
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"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... > rick wrote: >> "Phil Odox" > wrote in message >> ... >> >>>rick wrote: >>> >>>>"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... >>>> >>>> >>>>>rick wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>rick wrote: >>>>>>><cut> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Animals by the millions die in the production of your >>>>>>>>veggies >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I don't believe that the numbers are that high, >>>>>> >>>>>>============================ >>>>>>Willful ignorance. >>>>> >>>>>Then provide evidence pertaining to these numbers and >>>>>enlighten me. >>>> >>>>======================== >>>>ROTFLMAO Why fool? You've been snipping them out all >>>>night, killer.... >>>> >>> >>>Your list of pesticides doesn't include any evidence apart >>>from >>>some guesswork by the pesticide manufacturers. That isn't >>>evidence >>>of the millions you've claimed exists. >> >> ================================= >> ROTFLMAO Thanks for proving that your dogma requires you to >> ignore the truth. > > Guesses aren't truths, and that's all you've supplied to > back your claim, and that's why your claim is rejected. ========================== LOL The only guesses are the ones you try to make in saying that the sites I post don't provide data. Too bad for you that those that care, and those that can read for comprenesion can see that they provide real numbers. Real numbers of dead bodies to provide for your hypocritical lifestyle, killer. dishonestly snipping still I see, killer. You have realized that you lost, eh fool? --- The sites I posted are not from manufacturers, fool. And all the sites are not about pesticides. But then, a usenet vegan wannbe has never let facts get in the way of a good fantasy and delusions, right hypocrite? ---- It's just that your fantasy isn't reality and the way that the veggies you eat are grown. It's a strawman. It's a house of cards built so that you can pretend to feel better than anybody else, despite your obvious hypocrisy. http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.html http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135 http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf http://www.towerkill.com/index.html http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5 http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html http://www.cgfi.org/materials/key_pu...oxic_Tools.pdf http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC2756.htm http://www.biotech-info.net/deadly_chemicals.html http://www.agnr.umd.edu/ipmnet/4-2art1.htm http://europa.eu.int/comm/environmen...ing_annex1.pdf Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either, here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton. http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field, here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field. http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs /natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8 http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple dealing with power and communications. http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html http://www.towerkill.com/index.html > > <cut> |
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wrote: > > >"Vast amounts" isn't a term I associate with herbs grown on a balcony. >It also has nothing to do with the point I raised with respect to >Tracy's failed attempts to grow zucchini > >> That comment addressed Tracy's >realization that killing things is part and parcel of the cycle of life >-- including growing food for vegetarians. Ok, I see your points as detailed..... understood. [ I'd even apologise under a more civil climate]. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 04:37:55 GMT, "rick" > wrote:
> >Take usenet seriously? If you do, let me know, I've got some >emails somewhere around here that I'll forward on, you'll >definitely WIN one of 5 fabulous prises!! > Not to me Rick, Send some of them emails to Suspect- he's getting freaky on the topic of eggplant vegetable-fruit-things. :-o ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... > rick wrote: >> "Phil Odox" > wrote in message >> ... >> >>>rick wrote: >>> >>>>"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... >>>> >>>> >>>>>rick wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>"Phil Odox" > wrote in message ... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>><cut> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>Animals aren't killed while >>>>>>>>>producers grown every single piece of fruit or >>>>>>>>>vegetable. >>>>>>>>><cut> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>============================ >>>>>>>>OK Then just the ones that keep you alive, fool >>>>>>> >>>>>>>At long last; you've finally mustered the courage to admit >>>>>>>the >>>>>>>fact that vegetables can be grown without killing animals >>>>>>>to >>>>>>>keep one alive. Now that that's settled, explain why I or >>>>>>>any >>>>>>>vegetarian is a hypocrite for following a diet which >>>>>>>doesn't >>>>>>>always require the deaths of animals. >>>>>>>___________________________________________ ____________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt...281f601?hl=en& >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Like I said, "when I told you, "Animals aren't killed >>>>>>>while >>>>>>>producers grow every single piece of fruit or vegetable.", >>>>>>>you replied, "OK Then just the ones that keep you alive, >>>>>>>fool."" >>>>>>> >>>>>>>You failed to respond to the actual post, and that failure >>>>>>>is because you've admitted that vegetables can be produced >>>>>>>without killing animals, though not enough to keep me >>>>>>>alive. >>>>>>>That is an admission that some vegetables can be produced >>>>>>>with killing animals, so you can just stop the rest of >>>>>>>your >>>>>>>denials right now. >>>>>> >>>>>>================ >>>>>>The denials are all still yours, killer. >>>>> >>>>>They're all yours, even after being shown where you >>>>>conceded. >>>>>Now that's a bit odd. Tell me how forests exist without >>>>>human >>>>>intervention and the use of pesticides, and then tell me >>>>>again >>>>>why potatoes can't also be grown without killing animals and >>>>>the use of pesticides. >>>> >>>>================== >>>>Tell me again how you propose to live on these items >> >> >> >>>By eating them, of course. >> >> ======================= >> But you don't > > Yes I do, so tell me how forest can exist without our > pesticides > and animal killing while vegetables can't. > >> You haven't told me how forests exist >> >>>without human intervention yet, >> >> ======================== >> You haven't told me where all those fields of wild potatoes >> are either > > They're around, because it's not impossible to grow them > without > killing animals or using pesticides. Vegetables existed long > before > we came along with our pesticides and animal-killing poisons, > so > when you claim vegetables can't be grown without causing > deaths, > that claim is a lie built on the shame you feel as a meat > eater. =================================== Not in the forms that we eat now fool. They have been altered for our use. Too bad you're too stupid to se reality and not just your fantasy, hypocrite... > >> including those pesticides and >> >>>animal fatalities which you claim are vital to grow >>>vegetables. >>>As I've been saying all along - animals don't have to die. The >>>shame you feel concerning your diet on meat won't allow you to >>>concede it again like you earlier did, but that's irrelevant >>>now. >>>The fact is that vegetables and fruits and forests the size of >>>England can and do grow without us having to kill animals and >>>lay down pesticides. They don't have to die for my food, but >>>they do for yours, and that why my diet is morally superior. >> >> ============================= >> ROTFLMAO Says the hypocrite of the month winner. > > No, says reason. ===================== You have no morals to stand on liar. The fact that you cannot accept the death and suffering you cause by just sweeping it under the rug by saying 'I didn't mean for them to die' only makes you hypocritical, killer. But then, you already knew that, right fool? You *DO* feel the shame your diet on animals > brings about, =================== LOL Not at all fool! The problem you have is that you claim one thing and KNOW the truth about your lys. That is the guilt you bear, and the reson for your subborn, willful ignorance. You hate yourself for your hypocrisy, and have to lash out at others. and that's why you're here throwing sticks at > your moral superiors =========================== ROTFLMAO Lying hypocrites are morally superior to nobody, killer. and making false claims about vegetable > production. Animals don't *have* to die to produce vegetables > and fruits, but your shame compels you to give the impression > that they do so that you can then claim that vegetarians also > eat a diet that *has* to kill animals. That's not going to > work. ================================ Yes, it does, because animals die by the millions and millions to feed you, and provide for your entertainment. Yet here you are, eating up every veggies you can and posting your inane crap while your hands are dripping with blood. Have a nice day hypocrite. http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.html http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135 http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf http://www.towerkill.com/index.html http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5 http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html http://www.cgfi.org/materials/key_pu...oxic_Tools.pdf http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC2756.htm http://www.biotech-info.net/deadly_chemicals.html http://www.agnr.umd.edu/ipmnet/4-2art1.htm http://europa.eu.int/comm/environmen...ing_annex1.pdf Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either, here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton. http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/ http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field, here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field. http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs /natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8 http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple dealing with power and communications. http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html http://www.towerkill.com/index.html |
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